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A Disgusting Lack of Principle

I am disgusted. Not in the way Mitt Romney is, but rather with people like Romney, who put image ahead of principle in certain times and places. We all screw up, but someone accused of public misconduct gets lonely real quick; one's closest friends and supporters become curiously absent when they are needed most.

I don't know, really, what happened in that airport bathroom. Neither do you, by the way. What I have read, however, sounds like a very, very weak case against Senator Craig, and if someone I knew and respected had been arrested on such a charge and said he did not do it, my first reaction would be public defense of the man, not a political excuse to trash him. The fact that he plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct suggests to me that the police realized that they could not make the charges stick as originally advertised. Yes, Craig plead guilty. But not to what we are hearing in the media, not to the strangely enthusiastic chorus of a political lynch mob.

The Democrats, hypocrites by rule, are going after Craig simply because he is Republican. Clinton was groping women for years while President, but they defended him. Barney Franks' boyfriend once ran a brothel out of his Congressional office, but only two Democrats even wanted to censure Franks, and none wanted him canned. I could go on and on along those lines, but it's common knowledge that Democrats will never turn on one of their own, while even a rumor against a Republican moves them to self-righteous fury.

The Republicans, however, might be even worse. From what I have read, Tom Delay committed no crime, but when the wolves went after him, his party and colleagues deserted him and he quit, as much in disgust as exhaustion. Alberto Gonzalez was completely in the right with regard to the U.S. Attorney firings, but few Republicans had the guts to say so, and so he quit as well. It seems that courage is in short supply among the GOP, especially the kind which directs a man to stand for his allies and victims of witch-hunts.


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Rumors that most of the pub... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Rumors that most of the public never hear probably abound to among Washington insiders and to some, the story may not be a surprise.

Secondly, there's audio of the discussion with the police officer out. Craig sounds like someone trying to BS their way out of a speeding ticket, poorly.

Two words: Term Limits.... (Below threshold)

Two words: Term Limits.

Funny, JPM. I heard that r... (Below threshold)

Funny, JPM. I heard that recording and Craig sounds like a man angry at being tagged by a cop with a quota.

It has mostly to do with th... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

It has mostly to do with the power of the leftist-dominated media in this country. The Republicans have good reason to be afraid of an intellectually ivalid public thanks to the media which will either ignore or spin and downplay major transgressions of the Democrats while even the most minor, or more often fabricated (as was the case for Delay)allegations against Republicans are given lead story/front page coverage for months.

jpm100 has peculiar filters... (Below threshold)
kim:

jpm100 has peculiar filters in his auditory evaluation apparatus.
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The fact that he plead g... (Below threshold)

The fact that he plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct suggests to me that the police realized that they could not make the charges stick as originally advertised.

I don't think the police are really interested in prosecuting people over these sorts of things. They are simply responding to the public's complaints of men jacking off in public restrooms. What's wrong with that? Do you have kids DJ? Would you want them to see that?

If you listened to the tape of the police interviewing Craig you can tell that the cop is not very enthusiastic. Can imagine a crappier job than staking out men's rooms to prevent these deviants from doing this crap?

Just listen to the tape and it's obvious Craig knew exactly what he was doing. I guess I could write an entire post dissecting his comments which show that only someone who is familiar with this sort of thing would say the things he did. But I assumed it was plainly obvious to everyone and wouldn't be required.

I guess not. I'll go find the transcript and write it up.

Wait a minute, I thought th... (Below threshold)
Steve of Norway:

Wait a minute, I thought the reason why the Democrats were going after Craig was because he had sex with the police officer in the bathroom stall. Isn't that what happened? Cuz, I thought liberals all enlightened and stuff and a person's private sexual life wasn't our business.

Uhhh, Larkin, if you had bo... (Below threshold)

Uhhh, Larkin, if you had bothered to read the earlier comments, you'd notice that I DID hear that tape.

Now explain to me how tapping your feet and picking up something off the floor is evidence of a crime?

Oh, right, the officer said tapping your foot 'usually' means sex.

Uh-huh.

First off, I'd never heard that before, and I tap my feet in the elevator, while I'm reading, and yes, sometimes while I'm in the john. never tried to pick anyone up that way, though.

And second, 'usually' is NOT 'always', and what the facts tell us is that Senator Craig did nothing which proves he was looking for sex.

Are you so paranoid, Larkin, that to you tapping feet is proof of being a per" Is it OK to set up a sting which has such low standards for an arrest?

I mean, imagine what that kind of thinking could do for traffic laws; 'no you weren't driving drunk but you had a ball cap on while you were driving which usually means you plan to drive drunk'

'no you didn't shoot anyone, but you cracked your knuckles and in thi county that means you were a gang-banger'

I mean, seriously. The hypocrisy just seeps out from your pores, Larkin.


Well I'm glad Lakin is so f... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Well I'm glad Lakin is so familiar and well versed on this whole gay sex in a public bathroom thing so he can expain it to those of us whom the nuances of activity are not so "obvious".

While I don't trust much of what Larkin writes I will trust and believe that he is an expert on gay sex in general and in public bathrooms in particular.

Maybe he should just check ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Maybe he should just check into rehab and make it all go away, you know, like Patrick Kennedy, after slamming into a police barricade while high on drugs.

Honestly, what passes for "... (Below threshold)

Honestly, what passes for "probable cause" these days, let alone "evidence"?


DJ...About Craig's confessi... (Below threshold)
Arty57:

DJ...About Craig's confession. I've listened to that tape a few times now. It's obvious he was flustered, and I was on the fence about this being real, or a he-said/he-said.

Today though my mind was made up by a post made my Michelle Malkin on her site today. She said that a reader had emailed her with the comment that Craig lost his case in the first 30 seconds of the tape:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/31/no-wonder-why-were-going-down-the-tubes/

OFFICER: All right. I know I can bring you to jail, but that's not my goal here, okay? (inaudible)

CRAIG: Don't do that. You. You.

OFFICER: I'm not going to bring you to jail.

CRAIG: You solicited me.

Her remark that followed, "Hmmmmm. If he "didn't do these kinds of things," as he stated later in the tape, how did he know he was being "solicited?"

pretty much made up my mind that Craig's coffin was nailed, and in fact he needed and deserved to go.

Arty

CNN is reporting Senator Cr... (Below threshold)

CNN is reporting Senator Craig will resign today.

To me, there are two telling aspects. First, on the tape, you can hear Craig trying to talk his way around the "signals." Now, if Craig didn't know the "signals," it would have taken several minutes for the cop to explain to him what it was all about. Sure, it's purely circumstantial that a guy who knows what the "signals" mean has had rumors and media investigators about him for years, turns up in a Minnesota airport bathroom which just happens to be notorious for this sort of activity to the point the cops feel the need to do something, and gets busted for sending the "signals" to an undercover cop.

But that's a awful lot of coincidences - almost like the freakin' Harmonic Convergence - and I'm just not sure I believe in coincidence.

Secondly, he pleads guilty. Sure, it's not to the more serious offense - guilty pleas nearly always involve lesser offenses and/or agreed-upon light sentences. But I know if I were in that situation and innocently accused, I'd have been screaming for lawyers, guns, and money and demanding a jury trial to clear my name. No way I'd cop a plea.

On the recording, Craig does sound like he is trying to talk his way out of it.

Possibly Craig's fatal error was in popping out his Senate business card. If the cops and magistrate weren't political junkies, they might never have known who he was - until he pointed it out. If they had just thought it was a "normal" bust of the sort intended to deter the unwanted restroom activity, the whole thing probably would never have come to light.

On a brighter note, Matt La... (Below threshold)
Jo:

On a brighter note, Matt Lauer interviewed Tom Delay yesterday and wanted to talk about the republican scandals, and Tom turned it all around and really threw it in Matt's face about how biased the media are against the GOP. Matt was clearly flustered.

Sweet. Thank you Tom. About time.

Wait a minute, I thought... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Wait a minute, I thought the reason why the Democrats were going after Craig was because he had sex with the police officer in the bathroom stall.

No, that's why the Republicans are going after Craig.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell today called Craig's conduct "unforgivable"

Liberals aren't going after him for wanting gay sex. Just for being an anti-gay-legislation, so-called-family-values, hypocritical, lying guy who wanted gay sex.

I thought liberals all enlightened and stuff and a person's private sexual life wasn't our business.

Oh, we didn't realize it was a private airport bathroom! Do they have those in Norway?

Seems to me, Brian, that if... (Below threshold)

Seems to me, Brian, that if the Clinton regime was any indication, liberals are not terribly concerned about a person's public sexual life either.

In other news, Tony ... (Below threshold)
Nick Hogan:


In other news, Tony Snow announced his permanent vacation today. All reports indicate he won't be home for Christmas.

Karma is a bitch, for Craig and for Snow.

And as usual, the morons he... (Below threshold)
Nick Hogan:

And as usual, the morons here cannot wait to bring Clinton's name into this. So typical.

The fact that he plead g... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The fact that he plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct suggests to me that the police realized that they could not make the charges stick as originally advertised.

Wow, there's a great new standard from the right. First it was if you were convicted by a jury, you were really innocent. Now if you plead guilty, you're really innocent too! Gee, just think of all those people who have pled guilty to crimes... it's because the police had nothing on them!

Libs get away with this cra... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

Libs get away with this crap all the time. Just look at Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank.

I can't stand the fact we have assholes in Washington dictating how we have to live. The hypocrisies are rampant. Larry Craig is a perv who likes sex with strange men in public restrooms in airports and we are supposed to respect a person like that just because he was elected to the Senate?

He got busted. He should resign in shame and work on salvaging his marriage and family.

What a fricking joke. They all are.

/spit

Hey Nick...I hope you reali... (Below threshold)
Arty57:

Hey Nick...I hope you realize that comments such as:

"In other news, Tony Snow announced his permanent vacation today. All reports indicate he won't be home for Christmas.

Karma is a bitch, for Craig and for Snow."

make you sound like another sharp-minded lefty known as Rosie O'Donnell. I believe she too recently said cancer comes from bad karma. It was either her, Rosanne Barr. Scholars both.

Arty

What bothers me, Jim, are t... (Below threshold)

What bothers me, Jim, are these points:

1. Leaders of both parties made assumptions. Assuming someone is guilty from the start is out of bounds in my book.

2. One more time - what Craig plead guilty to, is different from what he is accused of in the press. That should NOT be glossed over.

3. Once again, the 2 parties are sending clear and very unpleasant messages. The Democrats don't care whether someone is guilty or not, they care about political gain. The Republicans continue to get caught by surprise by these incidents, and then immediately attack their own. If your house is that dirty, clean it. If the guy might be innocent, you should stand by him. Why can't the GOP figure that out?

4. Romney had Craig as one of his closest supporters. Either he falsely pretended he knew the man, or it didn't matter until he got caught. Either way, it shows a real problem for Romney, who I once thought was the cleanest of the candidates.

Maybe repubs would do bette... (Below threshold)

Maybe repubs would do better if they talked plainly and with force. Gonzalez: "U.S. attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president. If we want to fire and hire 1, or one hundred and one, it is our purview. No administration in the history of America has been called upon to explain such actions. We are not required to. And oh, by the by, while all of you senators are here grilling me, my investigators are searching your offices for evidence of who has served as the pipeline for CLASSIFIED intelligence that keeps getting to the NY crimes and other, about to be served with warrants/subpoenas, criminal American organizations. Thank you gentlemen and gentleladies, good day."

But no, they're all a bunch of pussies so they continue to get treated as such. I'll never forget hearing Bush whining about the leaks. How pathetic can you get ? The most powerful man in the world and he's crippled by a bunch of sweaty dolts who arouse themselves by thinking about what happened to Nixon.

The sad thing is, there's precident for kicking some ass, and yet, no one has the stones to do it.

Horrifying thing is, more men and women in uniform die every day for lack of a functioning spine in Washington.

Got a point to that rant, p... (Below threshold)

Got a point to that rant, pudge, or did you just think it was open-mike at the Karaoke again?

Point: Leaders should lead.... (Below threshold)

Point: Leaders should lead. There's plenty of examples from our history to follow, if they don't know how to do it on their own(coppied leadership is better than none). If our "leaders" spoke as plainly as some of our pundits, they may not always win, but at least we could all be proud of them. When they run for the tall grass, like the examples in your story, they encourage the kind of cynicism that creates millions of non voting registered voters.

No, actually, no point. Just enjoying the open mic.

Also, kinda like reading Ay... (Below threshold)

Also, kinda like reading Ayn Rand, when I type up phony quotes, it makes me feel warm all over.

if you had bothered to r... (Below threshold)
Brian:

if you had bothered to read the earlier comments, you'd notice that I DID hear that tape.

Now explain to me how tapping your feet and picking up something off the floor is evidence of a crime?

Hmm, it would seem that you did not listen to the tape. If you did, you would know that he did not "tap his foot", but slid it to touch the officer's foot. And he did not "pick something off the floor", but ran his left hand, palm up, under the stall a few times.

I don't know the "signs", but the officer was sure specific about them. And since he was experienced with those kinds of busts, I give him the benefit of knowing what he was talking about.

If you believe Craig's story is plausible, perhaps you can recall when the last time was that you crossed one hand over to the other side of the toilet to pick up a piece of toilet paper on the floor of a public restroom.

Seems to me, Brian, that... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Seems to me, Brian, that if the Clinton regime was any indication, liberals are not terribly concerned about a person's public sexual life either.

The Oval Office is a public place? I'll need to drop in and take some pictures next time I'm in town.

(And don't throw the "of or relating to a government" definition of "public" at me. That's not the context of the above posts.)

What nick don't know about ... (Below threshold)
kim:

What nick don't know about Karma.
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Waddayaknow, now Brian - li... (Below threshold)

Waddayaknow, now Brian - like Larkin - claims detailed knowledge of the behaviors of sexual deviants, enough to claim knowledge where most folks would admit they are guessing.


Bunyan's comment in #9 is once again apropos.

Waddayaknow, now DJ- like a... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Waddayaknow, now DJ- like always - goes to the personal attacks when slapped in the face with the facts.

And he also shows illiteracy, since I clearly said, I don't know the "signs", but the officer was sure specific about them, and he interprets that as I "claim detailed knowledge".

pudge, I think the next Pre... (Below threshold)
kim:

pudge, I think the next President is going to make the case Bush couldn't publicly do. In fact, he's been a marvelous president. We'll miss him when he's gone.
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Your words and your implica... (Below threshold)

Your words and your implication were clear enough, Brian.

Glad for my daughter's sake you don't live in my zip code.

No, I don't really mean that, but you don't seem to think about what Mr. Craig is enduring because of snide asshats like you, so I thought you should consider what your malice looks like from the other end.

Liberals aren't go... (Below threshold)
Steve of Norway:
Liberals aren't going after him for wanting gay sex. Just for being an anti-gay-legislation, so-called-family-values, hypocritical, lying guy who wanted gay sex.

1) Do you have proof he was having gay sex?
2) Why is it that you lefties love to "out" people for being gay, just because they're not part of the Democratic party?
3) Are you saying being gay means you can't have any family values?
4) Can't a man who is supposedly gay be opposed to the feds/state offering a specific block of people special rights just because of their sexual orientation?

Your words and your impl... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Your words and your implication were clear enough, Brian.

Apparently not, since you couldn't understand them. Perhaps you can have someone explain them to you.

Glad for my daughter's sake you don't live in my zip code.

You're going to bring your children into the discussion? Shameless.

you don't seem to think about what Mr. Craig is enduring because of snide asshats like you

Sure I do. He's enduring an environment created by snide asshats like himself. And you.

I thought you should consider what your malice looks like from the other end.

I'm sure Craig is realizing just that.

Nope, Steve, its the planta... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Nope, Steve, its the plantation mentality of the left. They own the thoughts of gays and will chase down and abuse any who dare escape the plantation.

You're a pathetic excuse fo... (Below threshold)

You're a pathetic excuse for a man, Brian.

But since you're a Liberal, that's about your standard.

1) Do you have proof he ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

1) Do you have proof he was having gay sex?

Oh, are you alleging that he was? I'm not aware that was suggested in this case.

2) Why is it that you lefties love to "out" people for being gay, just because they're not part of the Democratic party?

No, because they're anti-gay hypocrites. Republicans just tend to lead the market in that area.

3) Are you saying being gay means you can't have any family values?

No, but Craig does. I'm glad you share the view that that's a false claim.

4) Can't a man who is supposedly gay be opposed to the feds/state offering a specific block of people special rights just because of their sexual orientation?

Sure. I don't have a problem with him being gay, or being opposed to same-sex marriage. Let him be honest with his constituents about both and we'll see where that takes him. Are you aware that it's the Republicans who are calling loudest for his resignation?

Speaking as a liberal and a... (Below threshold)
jim:

Speaking as a liberal and a Democrat, by all means, Craig should stay in office. Keep him in there! He's great.

In my opinion, he is a perfect example of a closeted self-hating gay guy who vehemently pursues restrictions on gays, because he has been raised to believe that homosexuality is immoral. Which causes the further pyschological twist, that he can only acknowledge his real sex drive in dirty, awful ways.

Just like Ted Haggard. And other straight moralizers such as Jimmy Swaggart's distasteful meanderings with prostitution.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all the previous reports of Craig's having anonymous sex in bathrooms, and his current arrest, are a pure and total coincidence and he's completely innocent. He just happened to plead guilty because he didn't have his lawyer....although he contacted the police station several days layer saying he wanted to give info to his lawyer...and then plead guilty *2 months* later...

Does it really seem realistic that a Senator would *not* contact a lawyer about this?? That right there is the most unrealistic claim Craig's made.

Ah, regardless - keep him in there! He's awesome.

Steve or Norway, you really... (Below threshold)
Nick Hogan:

Steve or Norway, you really are dumb aren't you?

The left DID NOT out Craig, he did that all by himself. If he hadn't been cruising public restrooms looking for some dick to suck, then none of this would have happened, unless you think the cop was a democrat out to get him.

And he pleaded GUILTY. Duh.

But leave it to you to figure out a pathetic way to lead it to the Democrats. How desperate.

You're a pathetic excuse... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You're a pathetic excuse for a man, Brian.

Shorter DJ.

You look more mature in tha... (Below threshold)

You look more mature in that photo, Brian. I can see why you chose to post it.

"he did that all by hims... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"he did that all by himself"

This is slightly true, after a fashion, but I wonder if Nick saw the interview with the leftist newspaper editor from the local Idaho paper who admitted that they'd had the senator under investigation for over a decade for the horrible crime of being a Republican closet homosexual, but they couldn't print anything because they had no proof. When the reporter asked him what proof they had now that justified publishing all the unsubstantiated alegations, the editor replied, "his guilty plea".

God, do I wish I were that reporter at that moment. The questions I would have asked that editor...

I agree completely with the... (Below threshold)

I agree completely with the original post. Why is it that when Democrats smear a Republican, other Republicans leap to do Democrats' bidding and throw their colleague under the bus? People need to remember the story of the prodigal son, and behave more like the father in that story and less like the prodigal's brother.

DJ--you are one of the firs... (Below threshold)
Diane:

DJ--you are one of the first people I have seen/heard to question if there was even a crime---which are my sentitments, exactly. Liberals question the use of wire-taps, etc. on foreign conversations, yet there is no outcry over this whole incident?

According to the reports (written & taped) there was no conversation about sex, no money for sex was offered or requested, there was no exposure of private body parts, and there was no sex. What's next? A girl in a bar (or even the post office) smiles at a cute guy, winks, etc. & gets charged with prostitution??? What's the difference?

I don't care about Craig, personally, but I care about fellow citizens being treated properly & charged appropriately by the police. In the audio, the officer kept telling Craig to take the ticket, and no one (including the press) would know about the incident---yeah, right!

What's more pathetic is whe... (Below threshold)
Steve of Norway:

What's more pathetic is when the donkeys try to paint this as some larger scandal "infecting" the entire GOP, which it's not. That's like saying the Democrats should've been tainted for that murderer Ted Kennedy so many years ago.

I agree completely... (Below threshold)
jpm100:
I agree completely with the original post. Why is it that when Democrats smear a Republican, other Republicans leap to do Democrats' bidding and throw their colleague under the bus? People need to remember the story of the prodigal son, and behave more like the father in that story and less like the prodigal's brother.
When I think of a 'tribe' mentality, the following aspects come to mind.

1) Group think
2) Members over integrity
3) Easily manipulated/hijacked especially by the charismatic, loud, or extreme members.

The Democrats already have already gone down the path to functioning under the tribe mentality. They only stay afloat because the MSM (being part of the tribe) has got their back.

But because Democrats do it, doesn't mean its alright for Republicans to fall into the same mode. And the MSM sure and heck won't cover their backs.

If you have a zealous sense of innocent until proven guilty, fine. But if you think he should be defended just because he's a Republican, then you'll help send the Republican party down the same toilet the Democrats have gone.

Agreed completely...<... (Below threshold)
Arty57:

Agreed completely...

Arty

"What's more pathetic is when the donkeys try to paint this as some larger scandal "infecting" the entire GOP, which it's not. That's like saying the Democrats should've been tainted for that murderer Ted Kennedy so many years ago.

46. Posted by Steve of Norway'

Jim Aturns up i... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim A

turns up in a Minnesota airport bathroom which just happens to be notorious for this sort of activity to the point the cops feel the need to do something, and gets busted for sending the "signals" to an undercover cop.
First let me say for someone in a powerful position as Graig to so easily cop a plea tells me there's more fire in that bathroom than smoke.

However, one thing bothers me as it relates to the above quoted "signals."

Are they common "language" in gay circles? Can a guy person fully expect to be able to effectively communicate using these "signals" no matter the location?

If that isn't the case and they are used locally, or in Graig's case you can stretch that to the mid-west, why is it assumed the Sen. knew what the "signals" were and then used them far outside of D.C. and his home state?

Is it possible that airport is the normal and most likely route a person takes from D.C. to his home state and that may be why he knew the "signals?"

I can't answer any of the above questions, can anyone else?

Tom Delay....either ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Tom Delay....
either all his years as "The Hammer" were just a front, so he folded as soon as he was attacked,;
or maybe just maybe... his connections to Jackie A. were real...
either way, Delay is as nothing today to most Republicans as Kerry is nothing to most Dems...

Both had power...both pretended to be more than they were....and both are only listened to by those
who still ...somehow believe they were unfairly attacked...

Both are now just footnotes...
...and that is, to me, a good thing.

why is it assumed the Se... (Below threshold)
Brian:

why is it assumed the Sen. knew what the "signals" were and then used them far outside of D.C. and his home state?

"Tapping of the foot is pretty standard for men who cruise in toilets," said Keith Griffith, owner of Cruisingforsex.com, a Web site on which visitors post locations popular with men looking for anonymous sex.

Is it possible that airport is the normal and most likely route a person takes from D.C. to his home state and that may be why he knew the "signals?"

In the audio interview Craig said the he flies through Minn. a lot.

"Tapping of the fo... (Below threshold)
"Tapping of the foot is pretty standard for men who cruise in toilets,"

You mean, if I'm in an airport, need to take dump, sitting on the crapper, maybe nervous about making my connection, and unconsciously tapped my foot while I'm sitting there contemplating what gate I have to get to, I could be sending a signal to some pervert in the next stall that I'm cruising for sex?

Who made life so complicated?

Tom Delay....eith... (Below threshold)
Tom Delay.... either all his years as "The Hammer" were just a front, so he folded as soon as he was attacked,;

or, he might have...
just resigned to keep his..party from suffering...to keep the democratics from...
having a target to sling mud at...............

Notice how fast and eager Ronnie Earle was to get DeLay to trial. That was so fast it made your head spin.

What's that? He's still not been to trial? Huh. Who knew? 'Cuz you know, DeLay was sure as shootin' guilty to hear Earle and the democratics tell it.

Whatcha wanna bet it never actually goes to trial? But it doesn't matter. The left accomplished their mission - they got rid of an effective leader. Someone who didn't take the left's crapola without giving it back.




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