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Hsu-Nami Hits New Hampshire

Norman Hsu -- big-time Democratic fundraiser, acquaintance and donor of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and numerous other major Democrats, convicted criminal and (until recently) fugitive, certainly spread his money (from unknown sources) around. While the big bucks went to the big boys, Hsu didn't overlook the little people -- including $5,000 to the New Hampshire Senate Democratic Caucus and $2,000 to Governor Lynch.

Other New England beneficiaries of Hsu's largess include Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Chivas), $38,000; Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI), $19,100; the Rhode Island Democratic Party, $11,000; Senator Jack Reed (D-RI), $7,500; Senator John Kerry (D-MA), $6,350; Representative Tom Allen, D-ME, $2,500; Governor John Destefano of CT, $2,500; Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI),$2,000; and State Treasurer Tim Cahill of Massachusetts, $1,000.

Officials representing the Caucus and Governor Lynch say they'll be giving the money to charity.

A few thoughts come to mind:

1) Every time one of these scandals break, the politicians involved practically stampede each other to give away the tainted money to various and sundry charities. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that some charity might be engineering these scandals, just to boost their revenues?

2) I'm lousy at foreign languages. Could "Hsu" be Chinese for "Abramoff?"

3) This is purely speculative, but if it turns out that the real source of Hsu's money (which is, presently, very unclear) is the Communist Chinese government, attempting to sway American politics, just what would be the ramifications? And what does it say that the Communist Chinese are apparently willing to sink all their resources into swaying only the Democratic party?

4) Hillary Clinton is supposed to be the most intelligent, most savvy, most resourceful, most cunning, most professional member of the Democratic pack. Just what the hell does it say that she's let herself be so closely tied with this flim-flam artist?

5) (Someone else had this thought, but I've forgotten where I picked it up) Hillary Clinton still enjoys Secret Service protection -- yet met with Hsu, a fugitive, on several occasions. Did the Secret Service not pick up on this odd little fact, or were they ordered by the Clinton apparatchiks to overlook the matter?

I fear that my questions will never be answered. This story will, most likely, swept aside for far more pressing issues -- like some Senator allegedly looking for a Lewinsky in an airport men's room.


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Comments (98)

It appears Hillary doesn't ... (Below threshold)

It appears Hillary doesn't read up on current events. China is not exactly popular with the average America, what with lead paint and loose magnets in their products, and a very poor reord of observing trademarks and patents.

One wonders why it did not occur to Hillary that unlike 1996, connection to a crook from China in 2007 would be seen as even more disgusting to people, not some trivial detail.

Obama may be a brainless dolt, but even he understands that to win Chicago and New York and Blue-Collar America, you's better look like they do.

How far will this go? Here... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

How far will this go? Here's a hint...

The San Jose Mercury News practically never HEARD of Hsu, or ANY of this scandal!

And why should they? (apart from supposedly being a "news" organization)

hmmm...let's see...
- Hsu surrendered at the end of the week in San Mateo (12 miles from the San Jose Mercury "News" office)
- the Paws turned $45,000 income into $200,000 in donations in Daly City (19 miles from the Murky "News" offices)
- Hsu was a fugitive from California "justice" for a decade!

and so on.

The SJ Mercury "News", carrying the Dimocrats water so they don't hvae to!

Justrand,add to th... (Below threshold)
yo:

Justrand,

add to that, go to the Mercury's search, do a "Hsu" and the first article that pops up?

An article on Craig.

But there's this, at the end of that article:

Despite Craig's decision to leave the Senate, Democratic Senate campaign chief Charles Schumer, of New York, sought to keep the corruption issue alive. He accused Republicans of failing to support ethics reform when they were in the majority.

"What the American people are looking for is not a blame game, but who is trying to clean it up," Schumer said. "For six years, there was no ethics reform."

The New York senator defended Democratic actions in a new fundraising scandal. A party fundraiser, Norman Hsu, had been a fugitive since failing to appear for a 1992 sentencing.

Hsu, who had pleaded no contest in 1991 to grand theft, turned himself in Friday in California. He raised money for Democratic presidential contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"We've already given money back," Schumer said. "Nobody knew he was a fugitive. When we found out something is wrong, we returned the money."


I guess if the Merc's gonna' carry the DNC water, it's only fitting that Schumer supply them a comfortable handle.

Lemme see now, what Democra... (Below threshold)
kim:

Lemme see now, what Democratic Presidential candidate didn't get any money from Hsu?
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Another question is why is ... (Below threshold)
yo:

Another question is why is Craig's story on the top of Google news, while there isn't one story on Hsu, anywhere on that page?

I see your idiocy regarding... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I see your idiocy regarding China continues unabated. Hsu never lived in "Communist China," Jay. He was born in British Hong Kong, moved to the U.S. at 18, became a citizen in the 80s, and hid out in British Hong Kong from 1992 - 1996 (Hong Kong went back to the Chinese in 1997). As far as I have read there is absolutely no connection between Hsu and mainland China, let alone the Chinese government.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good conspirac--er, speculation.

Actually, looking through A... (Below threshold)
yo:

Actually, looking through ABC, CBS and NBC ... NO mentions of Hsu on any front pages, at all. On NBC, if you go to Politics, you'll see a deluge of Craig links, and way down at the bottom, you'll see:

"Democrats turn from big donor who's fugitive"

CNN has it buried, as well.

Any one need ANY further proof of a liberal bias in the media?

Any one?

Buehler?

mantis, as Clarice says, th... (Below threshold)
kim:

mantis, as Clarice says, this may be money from illegal immigrants in sweat shops, or they may just want us to think that. Right now, only Hsu knows. If history is a guide; oh wait, 1996 is ancient.

Clinton selling out to the Chinese, Kennedy salaaming to Saddam. Do you see why a Senator with a little stink about him is now ancient history?
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If Doug in Upland on Free R... (Below threshold)
kim:

If Doug in Upland on Free Republic is credible, the FBI now has a criminal referral on Hillary about fundraising.
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Actually, it's not just Hil... (Below threshold)
kim:

Actually, it's not just Hillary. This guy gave to the whole Democratic Party and if the money is from the Government, or its agents, this is one of the memes for the election. Is it any wonder Schumer attempts to pre-empt and MSM neither sees, nor hears, and certainly doesn't speak evil?

The Dems are hoping that if they all chill, so will the story.

Trouble is folks, this story is really evil.
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Yeah, for cryin' out loud J... (Below threshold)
OLDPUPPYMAX:

Yeah, for cryin' out loud Jay. Pretty soon you'll be making the ridiculous claim that an American president would provide the red chinese with, oh, say missile technology for campaign contributions. Or that criminals like the hero of this story might actually buy pardons by contributing to something perfectly innocent---like a library. What ridiculous notions. So please stop allowing facts to get in the way of BDS or Clinton worship.

Think of it another way, yo... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Think of it another way, yo. If Craig had some shady campaign donations revealed, and Clinton were involved in a sex scandal (a homosexual sex scandal, no less!), who do you think the media would focus on? Be honest.

Btw, the Hsu story shows up on the Google U.S. News page, and is being extensively covered by many so-called "liberal" news outlets.

It's not just hypocrisy, fo... (Below threshold)
kim:

It's not just hypocrisy, folks, it's traitorous hypocrisy, most rhapsodically illustrated by this 21st Century Democratic Party.

Step back, thinkers and fellow hypocrites. We need a two or more party system.
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Oh, now .. mantis, you're b... (Below threshold)
yo:

Oh, now .. mantis, you're better than that.

Jay never said Hsu lived in China. And, even the conspiracy part is framed in a "what if" kinda' thing.

If you've got proof to the contrary, though, I'm sure we'd all like to see it.

Or think of it this way, ma... (Below threshold)
kim:

Or think of it this way, mantis. One whole major party is happy to sell out to our opponents and the other has a tortured closet dweller. Look at the scale, you who claim objectivity.
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mantis, I didn't say the MS... (Below threshold)
yo:

mantis, I didn't say the MSM wasn't covering it, but that they keeping a dead story afloat while trying to sink a live one.

Craig resigned. Done and done. We can discuss the aftermath, sure, but is there any pressing news coming from this?

Hsu money. A HOT topic that could rankle the pillars of the DNC, but you need to know what you're looking for to find it.

Joe Six Pack will glance at the front pages and see Craig, then (like in your google link), a story of Florida's primary, Gonzales' resignation fall-out, Duncan Hunter, Warner retiring, and then a story on how the NJ Dem party rejects Hsu's money.

And it's not just on Google. It's everywhere (or, nowhere, depending on how you look at it).

Doesn't that seem a wee bit slanted?

the sheer magnitude of the ... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

the sheer magnitude of the MSM's LACK of coverage of this is staggering!

Only the LA Times still gets high marks for running WITH the story!

The rest of the MSM is running AWAY from the story!

I was very surprised to lea... (Below threshold)

I was very surprised to learn that the practice of "bundling"(one donor distributing donations under the names of other donors) is not specifically banned under federal election law or illegal so far, but in my view, certainly should be.

It appears that Clinton only is giving the money to charity because of the fugitive from justice status of Hsu, and not that of his possible distribution of funds using the names of a mailman with modest means or any other means of distribution of his donations involving the "bundling" of the funds.

If Hsu made extensive use of the "bundling" practice, then it would be very difficult for any campaign to establish if donations from Hsu were concealed under many other names. No campaign really has the detective resources to fully investigate the source of all funds it receives. But blogs will likely bring out news of questionable donations by both parties all year long that have much more time to research the papertrail of donations because it makes for great attention to a blog and higher traffic.

$39,000 FOR uncle Teddy? th... (Below threshold)
914:

$39,000 FOR uncle Teddy? that's barely enough to cover His yearly bar tab..

What a buncha stinkin corrupt greedy pig's.

I'm lousy at foreign lan... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

I'm lousy at foreign languages. Could "Hsu" be Chinese for "Abramoff?"

I did some looking around, and as far as I can tell, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hsu was using this money to buy votes or otherwise bribe congressmen, like Abramoff clearly did. It seems like he just wants to contribute to Democratic Party victories. As far as him being a "fugitive" he's been living a public life for the last 15 years, it doesn't appear that he was trying to hard to hide from anything. I got a speeding ticket once years ago when I was passing through Wyoming, that I never took care of. I guess I'm a "fugitive" from Wyoming justice.

Ryan: "I did some lookin... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Ryan: "I did some looking around, and as far as I can tell, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hsu was using this money to buy votes or otherwise bribe congressmen, like Abramoff clearly did. It seems like he just wants to contribute to Democratic Party victories."

"I did some looking around"???

Where...in your closet?...under your Mom's bed??

Sweet Jesus!!

Yes, Abramoff was buying votes. This guy was buying the INFLUENCE. INFLUENCE of every damn Democrat he could find. With money that is still of "unknown origon"...funneled through accomplices around the country.

and as for your "fugitive" status from Wyoming...unless it was a FEDERAL FELONY you were "speeding" away from, you are not in this guys league. Though apparently willing to be IN LEAGUE with him!

That word you sped by, that is now in your rear-view mirror? "PATHETIC"

It seems like he just wa... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

It seems like he just wants to contribute to Democratic Party victories.... Posted by Ryan

And there you have it folks, the lefty talking points have been distributed and made their way here.

I guess you didn't try very hard and limited your "looking around" to the "progressive" side of the inter-web-net.

I did some digging too.

I found this.

UPDATE II: Gateway Pundit noticed that Hsu's name came up in the 1996 campaign finance scandal involving Charlie Trie and connections to China. It's tangential -- Hsu's name comes up in relation to a donation made to "Friends of Norman Hsu" by Sioeng San Wong. Even tangential, it connects the two scandals, and it could explain the FBI's interest in the case. Good work by Gateway Pundit in digging this one out.

and Clinton were i... (Below threshold)
and Clinton were involved in a sex scandal (a homosexual sex scandal, no less!),...Ummm, actually, were it Hillary, very few people would be surprised.
As far as him being a "f... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

As far as him being a "fugitive" he's been living a public life for the last 15 years, it doesn't appear that he was trying to hard to hide from anything.... Posted by Ryan

One mistake you made in this comment.

Should have read........ it doesn't appear that he was trying to hard to hide from anything "after fleeing the country."

In February 1992 Hsu plead no contest to one count of grand theft and agreed to serve up to three years in prison and pay a $10,000 fine. Hsu subsequently failed to appear at the sentencing hearing and a warrant was issued for his arrest.

Hsu fled to Hong Kong and lived there from 1992 to 1996 while working in the garment industry.


Of course his fake business addresses and home addresses are no indicator either.

the Left and their partners... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

the Left and their partners the MSM are hoping they can ignore this over a long weekend, and then focus on Britney Spears for a few days!

I pray that for once the Republicans will NOT let this die. And not just for partisan reasons. The smell of Chinese influence in Democrat politics has been there for quite some time. It's time to turn the rock over and see what causing the stink!!

Although, Ryan has already assured us there's NOTHING TO SEE HERE...PLEASE MOVE ALONG FOLKS!

Hsu is clearly doing some i... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Hsu is clearly doing some influence peddling - the only mystery is for who.

It is indeed a good question why the Secret Service was not doing background checks on Hsu or if they were, why they ignored his fugitive status. But the Clinton's appear to have a history of corrupting the Secret Service. Its not the first time that suspicious characters have gotten past them to meet the Clintons.

"2) I'm lousy at foreign la... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"2) I'm lousy at foreign languages. Could "Hsu" be Chinese for "Abramoff?""

lol

This is a cry for help, methinks.

"Another question is why is... (Below threshold)
Rance:

"Another question is why is Craig's story on the top of Google news, while there isn't one story on Hsu, anywhere on that page?"

This is America, land of sexual repression.
Craig's story is about sex.
Headlines about campaign contributions are dull.

However, if Anna Nicole Smith or Leona Helmsley's dog had been caught making questionable donations, then it would be front page news.

Hillary Clinton still... (Below threshold)

Hillary Clinton still enjoys Secret Service protection -- yet met with Hsu, a fugitive, on several occasions. Did the Secret Service not pick up on this odd little fact.....Jay, the FBI may be looking at that also.

This Hsu nami has a choreographed look: It's spilled during the Craig fiasco (kim made this suggestion), he surrenders on Labor Day weekend (the traditional "holiday weekend", when the scoundrels purge their tanks) and makes $2,000,000 cash bail. Hmmmm

".. the Communist Chinese g... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

".. the Communist Chinese government, attempting to sway American politics.."

God knows the Bush controlled FDA has really cracked down on poison laced products coming from China.

The Sunday morning shows ta... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

The Sunday morning shows talked about Hsu and Craig. The best was Meet the Press. Bob Shrum had some great lines on the Craig debacle such as:
"..there was a wide stance in terms of his hypocrisy.."

And (on the GOP):
"..the ultimate result of this is the Craig's list of social issues--bashing gays.."

And:
"..people are going to laugh if these wonderful family values candidates like Giuliani and Thompson get up there and start talking about these issues."

Matalin got so frustrated at Shrum she threw her pen at him. Class act all the way.

#30 & 31Looks like... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

#30 & 31

Looks like ol' Barney is doing everything he can think of to change the subject.

What a putz!

... and how does that have ... (Below threshold)
yo:

... and how does that have anything to do with the thread, BG? Passing mention of Hsu doesn't quite cut it.

Besides, people are going to start laughing at the Dems when they get up there and talk about how they're going to root out corruption.

Oh wait .. people already are.

And if I was a candidate, S... (Below threshold)

And if I was a candidate, Shrum would be right at the top of my list of whom I would seek advice from. What is his record of success again?

Oh,yeah. He has none.

So, he might have a lot of advice and opinions, but evidently none of them matter in the big scheme of things. Which makes him a perfect democratic talking head for the Sunday morning talk shows.

Looks like ol' Bar... (Below threshold)
Looks like ol' Barney is doing everything he can think of to change the subject.

In BaghdadBarney's world, that's a malaprop that's known as "changing the tread".

jp2 is getting scared, meth... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

jp2 is getting scared, methinks.

Sorry guys but the Hsu stor... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Sorry guys but the Hsu story is not that important. Until they find some kid of influence peddling this will be just another beltway issue.

Gonzales, Craig, Rove and Snow all bravely running away are bigger stories. Iraqi casualty rates are up. The GOA report on Iraq is devastating. The British are pulling out of an area that has grown increasingly more violent. Those stories are important to most Americans.

Gonzales, Craig, Rove... (Below threshold)

Gonzales, Craig, Rove and Snow ....thoses are just Beltway issues too, right, Barney?

What do you mean hugh? Cra... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

What do you mean hugh? Craig represents the same old corruption /
scandal issues that dogged the GOP in the last election. Rove quit on his pal. Gonzales resigned under the cloud of perjure and Snow resigned because $168K was not enough money.

What kind of message do you think those issues leave in middle America?

The Hsu revelation is an embarrassment for the Dems and particularly for Hillary, but it is not something that resonates with most Americas particularly when you have so many other nasty, dirty bad boy stories to giggle about.

I think one of the big prob... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

I think one of the big problems with the left is the age demographic. Most have spent their entire adult lives with Republicans in control of the executive branch. They have no recollection of the Clinton years. All they know is what they are told to repeat when confronted in a debate situation about Democratic Party scandals.

So as a public service to the lefties I will provide a link so that you have a better understanding on the history of Chinese money being funneled into Democrat bank accounts.

1996 United States campaign finance controversy

The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China (PRC) to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

Oh, and finally......

Twenty-two people were eventually convicted for fraud or for funneling Asian funds into the United States elections. A number of the convictions came against longtime Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees

So go ahead and poo-poo this all you want lefties, but this is part of your history no matter how bad you want it rewritten in the history books.

What is happening now is déjà vu all over for those of us old enough to remember the most corrupt administration of the 20th century. That being the Clintons.

And the "wife" of this corrupt couple is the best you can come up with as a candidate and here we are starting to relive the same selling out of this country again in exchange for political power.

Sorry lefties but you have been duped once again.

And as I said in an earlier thread, I don't hear much anymore about Republicans getting spanked in 2008 from the "we have a mandate" lefties.

Note Barney's priorities:</... (Below threshold)

Note Barney's priorities:

Wanted criminal feted and lauded by Democrats, who cheerfully accept over $1,360,000 from him: An "embarrassment."

Senator cops a plea for allegedly seeking a Lewinsky in an airport bathroom, then resigns: MAJOR ISSUE EMBLEMIZING CORRUPTION.

Commentator who took a MAJOR pay cut to serve in the Bush administration (and had two bouts of cancer while doing so) decides he's had enough and wants to go back to the job that pays more and gives him less stress: HUGELY EMBLEMATIC.

AG who's getting trashed by almost everyone on a daily basis finally says "screw this" and hangs it up? FLEEING INDICTMENT.

Advisor and old friend of president who says that nearly seven years of being called Satan is enough: RAT ABANDONING SHIP.

I take back what I said earlier, about Barney being so dumb, he's qualified to be Senator from Massachusetts. He can't lie and spin anywhere near well enough.

J.

Barney remains a rather goo... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Barney remains a rather good ( or bad if you prefer ) example of a pathetic and incompetent attempt to change the subject. the clinton's long, long history of campaign finance shenanigans with Chinese donors is pretty clear evidence to those who want to pay attention.

but it i... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:


but it is not something that resonates with most Americas

Let's be frank barney, if Barney Frank had a male escort service operating out of his house you would say it wasn't resonating with most Americans either.

We understand the double standard constantly exhibited here when one of your boys gets caught with their pants down.

However the Hillary / Hsu thing isn't going to go away as fast as you think. There is too much inter-web-blogging going on to keep up this time especially given the shady circumstances already coming out.

Barney is just pissed becau... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Barney is just pissed because he knows (as they all know) that without the MSM covering their corrupt sorry asses, they couldn't win anything. ANYTHING.

Barney, nice try at changin... (Below threshold)

Barney, nice try at changing the subject, but since you insist....

Please, as it goes for TeamHillary, there is much more now open for question...after all, it isn't her husband we question (which is to say" Get thee behind my skirt"), but HER.

I'd like to know.....

1) When and where did you meet Hsu and did the Secret Service know that you were meeting with a fugitive from justice?
2) How did the Rose Law firm billing records (under subpoena) simply materialize in your personal residence?
3) Where did aforesaid Rose Law Firm billing records exist prior to their "materialization" in your residence?
4) Who left those records there? In your personal residence?
5) Produce the trading and account records of your $100,000 windfall in cattle futures trading. Why did you open a trading account with a commodities trading firm that was then under federal investigation and subsequent indictment? Did you open this account during the same time your husband was Attorney General or Governor of the State of Arkansas. Who did you ask to vet this process of opening the account?
6) Did there exist members of private industry or non exempt entities on your Healthcare Task Force, as opposed to the Cheney Energy Task Force ,that put you, Candidate Clinton, in contradiction to Federal law ( which was upheld in the Vice President's task force.....because he is smarter than you, Hillary)?
7) What is the definition of the verb "is"?
8) Did you know that your husband may have suborned perjury by interfering with the testimony of Arkansas State Troopers?
9) How many of your former Rose Law Firm (you know, the ones who can't run from you fast enough?) support your candidacy?
10) When was the last time you saw or conversed with Charles Trie?
11) When was the last time you saw or conversed with Hsu?
12) When was the last time you saw or conversed with Pincus Greene?
13) When was the last time you saw or conversed with Marc Rich?
14) Which of your brothers attempted to insert themselves in the Presidential pardon process? Did any of your brother(s) or relatives have any contact with an individual or his or her agent or representative who sought a Presidential pardon?


[a]n embarrassment... (Below threshold)
[a]n embarrassment for the Dems and particularly for Hillary...

Wrong. You can't embarrass a Clinton. Neither of them have a conscience or know shame.

Look, it is painfully obvio... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Look, it is painfully obvious that the Republican party is the party of values and the Democratic party is the party of politics.

To demonstrate this one should note that all humans are corruptable and capable of doing bad things. The media likes to highlight those bad things.

Both parties are required to filter out all the crud and try and discover what is real bad things and what is faux bad things (IE: Politics).

So, when Clinton was first accused of pulling a Lewinsky a lot of people said that the whole dress thing was just too incredible to believe. So incredible that they wouldn't even discuss it on television because it wasn't proved or corroborated. I agree with this, we shouldn't simply accept accusations. However, when it came out that there actually was a dress, these same folks who were mortified over the mere mention of such a possiblity and the slandering of Clinton were just as ready to excuse it.

This is how it works in politics. If you're a Republican, we value our good name and therefore, will force you from our party if you do bad things.

If you are a Democrat and get caught doing bad things, we'll cover for you, circle the wagons, and pay more attention to Republicans behaving badly.

This is because Republicans believe that "All politicians do it" is not a sufficient excuse. If you do something bad, you need to pay a price. Values over Politics.

But if you are a Democrat and do something bad, wink-wink nudge-nudge, winning is more important than and heck, all politicians do it.

I like the arrangement myself. Its fine by me if Democrats want to be the party of Politics while Republicans attempt to be the party of Values. I'd just like more clarity over this so that people know what they are getting.

To add to HughS's comment i... (Below threshold)

To add to HughS's comment in #45 -

Hillary, have you since remembered any of the answers you didn't know, to the questions you were asked under oath, that you answered with 140+ "I don't know, I don't recall, I can't remember, I have no recollection and screw you, I'm not sayin'" (and all the other dodges and obfuscations you employed) to avoid having you and your husband's asses prosecuted?

HughS, good questions but o... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

HughS, good questions but of course any questions from the Clintons will be met with a "I don't recall".

(I see after a refresh John in CA beat me to it)

However for the "progressives" still in denial, here is more "horizon expanding" material.

The Clinton Legacy

From "The Progressive Review"

The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they were the cause of corruption in others. Yet seldom in America have so many come to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years. Here are some of the facts that have been buried.
RECORDS SET - The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates* - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly - First president sued for sexual harassment. - First president accused of rape. - First first lady to come under criminal investigation - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case - First president to establish a legal defense fund. - First president to be held in contempt of court - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Read the whole thing.......

I'll read the rest later an... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I'll read the rest later and get back to Jay's comments, but first I read this and almost pissed my pants because of the pure poetic satire of the following regarding the Hsu "scandal" and how it has gotten so little MSM attention:

"There is too much inter-web-blogging going on .."

Like that will influence about 2% of America. Talk about self importance!

HughS - Can I retire for a ... (Below threshold)
marc:

HughS - Can I retire for a quick beer while I await Baghdad barney's answer to your questions?

And I hasten to add, it won't be a Billy Beer.

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

Like that will influence about 2% of America. Talk about self importance!

Well, maybe. But that hardly explains why all the current crop of presidential candidates either write one or post at one of the major blogs associated with their party.

And you won't find any Reps posting at the likes of the Huff and Puff or the DKos which kinda tells a story of its own doesn't it?

- As of June 2000,... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign.
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.
I scratch my head every time I think that Hillary will be the Democrat nominee.
"Barney is just pissed beca... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Barney is just pissed because.."

I'm not pissed. I'm having a great socialist workers labor day weekend. The weather is great. The pool is refreshing. The bourbon, beer and steaks (grilled to perfection) have been great. I saw some great movies in my home theater in blue-ray and I have one more day to go.

Toping that off with one of the worst for many this year in GOP history!

-Like that will in... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
-Like that will influence about 2% of America. Talk about self importance

So this isn't about finding the truth for lefties I see, but rather how corruption within the political party they support can be spun.

But we knew that already, but thanks for the confirmation.

Last time I checked, Hong K... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Last time I checked, Hong Kong was part of Communist China.

marcYou may have to ... (Below threshold)

marc
You may have to retire for a case of beer...in which case I invite myself.

I wrote that off the cuff, BTW.

If the Dems (that's you and Shrum, Barney) think it's tough now, then welcome to the game my friend...you have been on vacation for eight years and have obviously forgotten those crazy aunts you stuffed in the basement for AlGore to deal with in your Emergency Evacuation Plan.


hugh and jay, the part abou... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

hugh and jay, the part about Hsu and the secret service is a good point. We should know the answer to this even if the truth is that Hillary was aware of the fugitive statues, and she over ruled the SS (no innuendo implied).

I would also like to know how a nobody male prostitute routinely received daily press pass to WH briefings and had access to the President. That is why I am superior to you. I see a security breach and I want answers. In the Gannon case you poo-poo the obvious with "move along, nothing to see here".

Badhdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Badhdad barney:

Toping that off with one of the worst for many this year in GOP history!

Not even close, that year would be 1930 and the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act written by two idiot Reps.

Not to mention the much bigger idiot Herbert Hoover that signed into law.

But if you want to talk about epic failures by all means let's do so:

(Aug. 6-8, 2007) "Since the start of this year, when the Democrats took control of Congress, in general, would you say the Democratic Congress has been a success or a failure?"

Success, 37% Failure, 55% Unsure 8%

In the case of Gannon, I do... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

In the case of Gannon, I do believe he was a writer first and gay second.

In Hsu case I believe he was a fugitive first and a fundraiser second.

HughS:I wrote ... (Below threshold)
marc:

HughS:

I wrote that off the cuff, BTW.

That's some cuff! Who'd ya borrow it from Prince? Or whatever name he goes by now.

Jay, that was some nice spi... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Jay, that was some nice spin, but you forgot to lead with you standard block quote as has been you style when replying to my informed comments for the last couple of days.

Do I detect a subtle change in your modus operandi?

I would also like to ... (Below threshold) marcWho'd ya... (Below threshold)

marc

Who'd ya borrow it from Prince?

Heh! I was on a roll...ask pudge. Guess I'll have to wait until Super Bowl XXXXX to find out what Purple Rain's real name is ....

Well there gose the neightb... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Well there gose the neightborhood the tax and spend liberal demacrats are moving in

"And you won't find any Rep... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"And you won't find any Reps posting at the likes of the Huff and Puff or the DKos which kinda tells a story of its own doesn't it?"

marc, I do not understand? When you say "Reps" do you mean Congressmen or Republicans? Many Dem Congressmen have contributed to both both sites.

If you meant Republicans I will add to the stakes. Both parties should submit commentary to either party leaning blogs that have a good track record.

Now that I have opened the door to the "hate" comments about Huff and Kos please feel free to express your opinion, but just one personal rambling comment, I do not post on liberal sites (for the most part other than Balloon and Think and in totally that would be about a dozen times) because I want to hear from you the lunatic right wing. I have been banned from B4B and Sister for far less than what I have written here, and I am thankful. I would even buy Jay a beer if I had the chance. I only hate LIA (he turned his back on his country when his country need him the most and now he blames US/us for the outcome).

"In the case of Gannon, I d... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"In the case of Gannon, I do believe he was a writer first and gay second."

jumpin, I guess you believe in nurture over nature, You must know about some catholic priest intervention that the rest of us do not?

On a side note I find the parallels between Gannon and Rush too funny. Of course I have no evidence, and I am not stating so, but I always felt that Gannon was a Rush plant. I bet they met in the DR on a boys only weekend.

#62: you/your, what is up w... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

#62: you/your, what is up with that?

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

If you meant Republicans I will add to the stakes. Both parties should submit commentary to either party leaning blogs that have a good track record.

You didn't add anything other than avoid the basic point. Blogs do have a very significant roll to play despite you attempting downplay them.

And the fact many of the Dems have chosen to closely associate themselves with Huff & Puff and DKos when the Repubs haven't selected like-minded websites and blogs (not to mention there are non in their "league" in the top tier Repub blogs) is very telling.

I only hate LIA (h... (Below threshold)
I only hate LIA (he turned his back on his country when his country need him the most and now he blames US/us for the outcome).

I blame the United States for South Vietnam being militarily over thrown by the communist North.

More specifically, I blame a bunch of unprincipled communist sympathizing Congressmen cutting off military aid for the South Vietnamese, allowing that to happen.

But don't worry BaghdadBarney, the Vietnam expert, John F'ing Kerry, has told us there was really no death and mayhem in the wake of that communist expansion. In fact, some of them have told him they are so glad it happened and was actually good for them.

They probably told him that while he was admiring the tribute to him in the North Vietnamese communist hall of infamy.

So, you may hate LAI, but as for me, I'd take one of him than ten BaghdadBarney's.

On a side note... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
On a side note I find the parallels between Gannon and Rush too funny. Of course I have no evidence, and I am not stating so, but I always felt that Gannon was a Rush plant

I'm not sure where you are going with the Gannon thing. Was he a wanted man? Did he have a warrant out for his arrest?

Or is there some homophobic fear you have of a gay man whipping Mr. Happy out and flicking him up and down while yelling "Woo Woo Woo" while in the press room.

Just ax'in.....

Hard to believe but this is... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Hard to believe but this is par for the course for the Democratic fund raising committee and the Clintons.

Maybe this time something will come of it but its not going to be due to the diligence of the MSM.

"You didn't add anything ot... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"You didn't add anything other than avoid the basic point. Blogs do have a very significant roll to play despite you attempting downplay them."

That was not my intention marc. The blogs are important. This story is not.

"And the fact many of the Dems have chosen to closely associate themselves with Huff & Puff and DKos when the Repubs haven't selected like-minded websites and blogs.."

Doesn't that fact contradict you initial statement?

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

That was not my intention marc. The blogs are important. This story is not.

How soon you forget Bahdad, (Like that will influence about 2% of America. Talk about self importance!)

Doesn't that fact contradict you initial statement?

No nitwit, my initial comment was all or nearly all the current idiots running for Pres are writing their own or on someones else's blog.

That is in no way related to Dems writing on DKos and Huff & Puff and Repubs chosing to write on right blogs that come nowhere close to the hateful bile spillers at those two cesspools.

Reading comprehension 101 - check with your nearest community college.

That is nice to know John. ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

That is nice to know John. Please do not hold back your true feelings in the future. I am sure that you hold the same feelings for the French during their fight against he Nazi (freedom fries anybody)? You do remember how some French were collaborators and others chose to fight against impossible odds (Europe had abandoned them at the time).

I am sure that even you would admit that the NAZI were the greatest force of extermination of people since the crusades or the Jewish conquest of the holy lands, but the French fought on?

Under the same, would you do the same? I think that I would, but you never know? Lovie had that chance. He chose to run away from the fight. My dad was there supporting the war effort. How did Lovie honor my dads contribution and sacrifice of 68,000 Americans and billion (today money) of US support?

He ran away like a coward, or a Frenchmen as you hypocrites like to say.

Barney is homophobic, a Dim... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Barney is homophobic, a Dimocrap, and thus, a hypocrite. But, stupid as well, as we have all noticed lo these many months watching him post.

Barney, your continued abus... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Barney, your continued abuse of LAI shows your complete lack of character. Frankly you should be banned for it. Your homophobia with respect to Gannon only confirms it.

marc,"how soon I forget'? ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc,"how soon I forget'? marc, I am simple boy (based on Tony Snow's measure of what is a decent wage). Sure, all the candidates have blog; that is not in dispute. That is not what I suggested. I would like the candidates from both parties to submit diaries on the blogs of opposing sides.

Do you have a problem with that?

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

He chose to run away from the fight. My dad was there supporting the war effort.

Well good for your dad, however, you have chosen "to hate" LAI.

Best estimates are hundreds of thousands of boat people reached the United States, Australia, Canada and elsewhere from Vietnam.

That clearly places you in the category of being xenophobic A-hole.

Unless of course you only hate LAI, which means you are very selective and probably due to something posted here about you and not what you claim it to be.

In that case you're just a plain everyday A-hole.

Barney, your continued abus... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Barney, your continued abuse of LAI shows your complete lack of character. Frankly you should be banned for it. Your homophobia with respect to Gannon only confirms it.

I didn't know that LIA was a person of the other flavor? SPQR, do have a personal experience that we do not know about?

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

I would like the candidates from both parties to submit diaries on the blogs of opposing sides.

Who ever said anything about posting on opposing sides? You're scrambling again after getting caught posting BS.

Again reading comp, it's readily available. And doctors to help your raging xenophobia.

Barney, your completely inc... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Barney, your completely incompetence doesn't excuse your lack of character.

mac, I appreciate, not!, yo... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

mac, I appreciate, not!, your selective comments. I will not do the same since I stand by my comments. As I said before my dad was in Vietnam. He told me about the war. I was not alive, but my father was, during WWII. I have great respect for those that chose to fight against evil.

I have asked lovie on several occasions to tell his story. Maybe he was just a baby at the time? Maybe he was a government employee or soldier? He chose not to answer. That is his/her choice.

What I find is unforgivable is that he blames America (Dems in particular) for what happened to his country. I would like to know what sacrifice he/she or his family endeared to stop the spread Communism?

When will the war start. So... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

When will the war start. Soros and Moveon.org have vowed they own the democrat party and now the Chinese have bought a large interest. Isn't Soros (part owner of the democrat party) also a wanted criminal in France? Convicted and skipped, will go to prison if he returns to France. The democrats will accept money from anyone, are Capone and Saddam dead or laying low and still financing the democrats?

SPQR,Don't forget ab... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

SPQR,
Don't forget about Godwin's law. Though I think the obsession with Nazis and gays may tells us something about Barney's fantasies.
"Yawohl mein Herr. Ya, ya, in mein After. Macht me dein Bubistrich!"
Rent meets Schindlers List, on Avenue Q.

So, Barney, do you hold everyone who left their homeland for a beter/safer life in the USA in contempt, or just those that are critical of your fellow travelers?

If the former, does that mean that your heritage is completely indigenous, came here at the peak of power from the old world, you hate your progenitors OR some of all of the above?
Personally, I suspect the latter.

I forgot to add that I popp... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I forgot to add that I popped in the Stripes DVD because of:
1) the relaxation of military acceptance standard.
And
2) something Craig said about not being gay.

Back then Murray was accepted even though he could barley do five push ups.

Craig would have said, like Murray, " do you mean flaming?".

Well my bourbon and my cigars have run out so, I wish you all a great a socialist Commie workers labor day. I know that I will enjoy it. How about you?

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

I have asked lovie on several occasions to tell his story.

First of all his story is none on your G-damn business.

Secondly, by admitting you know little to nothing about his story and your well documented self-professed hate for LAI only serves my point.

You are a hatefull, despicable xenophobic troll who should have been banned from these parts long ago.

are Capone and Sad... (Below threshold)
marc:
are Capone and Saddam dead or laying low and still financing the democrats?
You forgot Hoffa.
I can not resist. Cry me a... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I can not resist. Cry me a river marc.

"my informed comments"... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"my informed comments"

Posted by BarneyG2000

*Snicker* *Cough*

BG2, you ignorant slut. Ma... (Below threshold)
kim:

BG2, you ignorant slut. May Day is Labor Day; you've fallen for the trap.
============================

I wish you all a g... (Below threshold)
I wish you all a great a socialist Commie workers labor day.

Glad you at least acknowledge it's origins. May be the only honest comment BaghdadBarney has made.

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

I can not resist. Cry me a river marc.

Will a river of piss do? 'cause that all I got fer ya.

Advisor and old friend of p... (Below threshold)

Advisor and old friend of president who says that nearly seven years of being called Satan is enough: RAT ABANDONING SHIP.

"Like that will influenc... (Below threshold)

"Like that will influence about 2% of America. Talk about self importance! - by Barney

That was not my intention marc. The blogs are important. This story is not. - by Barney

Which is it, Barn? Or does it just depend on what your argument is from minute to minute? Never mind the fact that you're all over the map every time you appear in the comment section. Right off the bat, your first comment on a thread regarding Hsu's campaign finance tentacles is to refer us to the "Bush controlled FDA" and you finish off with your little, "What I find is unforgivable is that he [LAI] blames America." You have a lot of friggin' nerve when you blame America at every opportunity. If you think Hsu is simply an embarrassment for the Dems, "you" are part of the problem.

You are a little, little man.

The Asian Abramoff... (Below threshold)
Tommy Shanks:

The Asian Abramoff

marc,The river of pi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

marc,
The river of piss is part of his homoerotic hun fantasy. Don't excite him too much, he might forget his safe word.

Evidently, Patrick Kennedy ... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Evidently, Patrick Kennedy will be keeping Hsu's money.

That's a good Kennedy, once bought they stay bought.




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