Whoopi Goldberg joined the cast of ABC's "The View" this morning, taking over for Rosie O'Donnell, and she's managed to generate a little controversy on day one by employing the "everyone does it" defense for Michael Vick. From WSB Atlanta:
NEW YORK -- Whoopi Goldberg started her stint on ABC's "The View" Tuesday by coming to the defense of convicted felon Michael Vick. Just 15 minutes into the show she brought up Vick's conviction on dogfighting charges."You know from his background this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from," said Goldberg. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of our country."
Co-host Joy Behar seemed shocked at Goldberg's statements. "How about dog torture and dog murdering," Behar asked.
"Unfortunately it's part of the thing," Goldberg replied. "You're a dog lover. For a lot of people dogs are sport," she added.
Behar continued to shake her head in disgust.
Lest you think that Goldberg is alone in such sentiment you'd be mistaken. Current and former NFL players such as Clinton Portis and Deion Sanders and NBA star Stephon Marbury have offered up defenses for Vick even after it was obvious Vick was involved.
Comments (139)
That's it Whoopie. That's t... (Below threshold)1. Posted by pete_bondurant | September 4, 2007 1:46 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
That's it Whoopie. That's the way to make a debut. Generalize about those with similar backgrounds as Vick (I am guessing poor and black) and accuse them as being dog torturers. Why don't black people say enough of this BS? Do they not get tired of the likes of Whoopie Goldberg generalizing? Idiot.
1. Posted by pete_bondurant | September 4, 2007 1:46 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 13:46
2. Posted by steve sturm | September 4, 2007 1:49 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
I don't know if she meant it as such, but saying that one is more likely to find a particular behavior in certain parts of the country or among certain segments of the population shouldn't be taken as defending such behavior.
For example, saying that you're very likely to find cases of BDS in left wing blogs doesn't equate to minimizing BDS or defending those afflicted with it... you're still able to denounce such behavior.
2. Posted by steve sturm | September 4, 2007 1:49 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 13:49
3. Posted by epador | September 4, 2007 2:00 PM | Score: 12 (12 votes cast)
Lets see now, who is saying its just in their cultural nature to whip, rape and murder "lesser" beings for sport? How 'bout all dem good ol' boys south of the Mason Dixon, Whoopi, that like to wear sheets and burn crosses. After all, its [sic] indicative to certain parts of the country. Shouldn't we all be more tolerant of them too? I mean, to you, Negroes are human beings, but to them, why they're just ex-slaves...
3. Posted by epador | September 4, 2007 2:00 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:00
4. Posted by hermie | September 4, 2007 2:02 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
"You know from his background this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from," said Goldberg. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of our country."
You know, beating women, calling them 'hos', and forcing them into prostitution is not an unusual thing in some parts of the country.
Thanks Whoopie...for making the American public just a little more stupid each and every time you open your mouth.
4. Posted by hermie | September 4, 2007 2:02 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:02
5. Posted by Ron Franscell | September 4, 2007 2:09 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Whoopi seems awfully inarticulate, but she also seems rather racist in her views. By defending the admitted felon Michael Vick as merely doing something that folks like him do every day in their rural, Southern culture where "this is not questioned," she rushed to defend Vick ... oh, who happens to be black. She rushed to tell (mostly) white folks that it's just a black thing.
She overlooks the fact that Vick and his pals went to great lengths to keep things hidden and under wraps. Why? Because they KNEW it was against the law! Dog-fighters KNOW it's illegal to fight, abuse and kill dogs, as well as to gamble on the fights ... which (as Vick and his buddies did) are usually held secretly. Those guys cannot possibly make a defense that they "was just doin' what we does here in the South."
The race to defend was rather abrupt and while I don't think Whoopi is necessarily a deep-thinker, she should have realized she was defending a true criminal ... who happens to be black.
Ron Franscell
Under The News
5. Posted by Ron Franscell | September 4, 2007 2:09 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:09
6. Posted by Jim Addison | September 4, 2007 2:13 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Dog-fighting is an accepted part of "thug life," I guess . . . one wonders how long Whoopi and her mouth would last at a dog fight, though . . .
If indeed it is "not an unusual thing for" the lower-income areas of Newport News where Vick came from, it still begs the question of how three years at Virginia Tech as a student-athlete and five years as a millionaire pro athlete in Atlanta failed to lift him up from his beginnings.
I recall Emmitt Smith's comment when the whole story first broke, something along the lines of "as a pro athlete, you have to make a break with some of the friends from the old neighborhood." Vick never did, apparently, and instead of lifting up his friends with opportunities opened by his wealth and fame, he merely financed the old criminal gang - and, it also seems, regaled in its brutality.
Back to Whoopi: I know a lot of people for whom "dogs are sport," too - working dogs like retrievers, for example. None of those people torture or kill their dogs, though. If a "mere" hunting dog is neglected, Animal Control shows up, followed by the Sheriff with a warrant. Vick's crowd isn't into "sporting dogs" at all: they are into dogs as blood sport, which is something entirely different and completely barbaric. (Not to even mention the intrinsic nature of gambling in this).
Civilization is about man's rise above barbarism. Those who refuse to rise above should not be celebrated or defended because of their persistence in barbaric practices.
6. Posted by Jim Addison | September 4, 2007 2:13 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:13
7. Posted by Jeff Schenck | September 4, 2007 2:15 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Whoopi's defense of Michael Vick was nothing short of racist:
http://www.unboundedition.com/content/view/2262/50/
7. Posted by Jeff Schenck | September 4, 2007 2:15 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:15
8. Posted by hermie | September 4, 2007 2:21 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
If anyone else would've said the exact same thing, Whoopi would've smacked them, and called them racist.
8. Posted by hermie | September 4, 2007 2:21 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:21
9. Posted by moseby | September 4, 2007 2:24 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
If liberal=dumbass and whoopie=liberal,then whoopie=dumbass. The transitive property will getcha everytime!
9. Posted by moseby | September 4, 2007 2:24 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:24
10. Posted by Bill Clinton | September 4, 2007 2:33 PM | Score: 6 (10 votes cast)
Yeah, blame it on the "Culture". The culture of 7 out of 10 black babies being born out of wedlock. It brings a whole new meaning to "Who's your Daddy?" cause no one knows. Add to the absent father, the hiphop gangster rap crap, the stupid clothes and wearing hats off kilter, with the lack of desire to learn to speak English (Ebonics is not a language, just slang for lazy people) and you have a wonderful culture dependent on hand outs from the democrats who take money from the people who ARE responsible, get married, get an education, can speak ENGLISH, and lead productive lives. The libs love productive people because it allows them to confiscate their earnings to buy the votes of lazy irresponsible bastards (literally).
Nothing like being a responsible adult to allow a lib to enable po stupid folk like Michale Vick and the other dog butchers who enjoy their "Culture".
Man, I could use a Lewinsky now!
10. Posted by Bill Clinton | September 4, 2007 2:33 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:33
11. Posted by spurwing plover | September 4, 2007 2:38 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
GUENA should stick to the TEN FOWARD LOUNGE and quck defending a crinimal
11. Posted by spurwing plover | September 4, 2007 2:38 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:38
12. Posted by VagaBond | September 4, 2007 2:41 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
I don't think people are just defending Vick alone. Here's where Whoopi gave us a hint: "You know from his background this is not an unusual thing for where he comes from," said Goldberg. "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of our country."
Vick is the tip of the iceberg. His was only one kennel. There has to be a lot of kennels out there and someone is bankrolling them. Other football stars? NBA? If Vick sings, many will fall.
12. Posted by VagaBond | September 4, 2007 2:41 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:41
13. Posted by Drago | September 4, 2007 2:54 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Shorter Whoopie: "It's a black thing, you wouldn't understand."
13. Posted by Drago | September 4, 2007 2:54 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 14:54
14. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | September 4, 2007 3:09 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
You really must forgive Whoopi's ignorance. It's a cultural thing. Many people from her background suffer from it.
14. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | September 4, 2007 3:09 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 15:09
15. Posted by Carolina | September 4, 2007 3:33 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Well I am not black but I am southern and find this very offensive. Until now I had greatly admired Whoopi Goldberg but no longer. I am very disappointed in her trying to oversimplify such a disgusting activity by saying well poor thing everybody down there does it.
15. Posted by Carolina | September 4, 2007 3:33 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 15:33
16. Posted by jp2 | September 4, 2007 3:43 PM | Score: -9 (9 votes cast)
"Well I am not black but I am southern and find this very offensive."
Why? Dog fighting is common in the south. Also gamecock fighting. In Alabama, they have acres upon acres of farms set up for raising angry, psychotic roosters. Legally.
16. Posted by jp2 | September 4, 2007 3:43 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 15:43
17. Posted by Susan | September 4, 2007 3:54 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
I can't tell you how disgusted I am about Whoopi's comments on The View today. I'm in tears. Her justifications of Vick are ridiculous. He knows right from wrong, whether it's regarding animals or drunk driving. I'm sure there were drunks who drove where he lived, but he knows that you don't drive drunk. He's a big boy. AND her comments about the way people in the south doing such things is also ridiculous. I'm furious. ABC, you need to address this and NOW!
17. Posted by Susan | September 4, 2007 3:54 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 15:54
18. Posted by Shelley | September 4, 2007 3:57 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Gee. I wonder if a white person had made the same comments Whoopi made today about black people and the south...... Hmmmm......
18. Posted by Shelley | September 4, 2007 3:57 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 15:57
19. Posted by BigDaddy | September 4, 2007 4:03 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Women are forced to wear the burqua in Afghanistan because it's "cultural", but that certainly doesn't make it right either. Perhaps a lack of culture is closer to the truth. There are standards in modern society that, if you want to be considered "civilized", you should be expected to adhere to. Drowning or electrocuting dogs because they're not "tough" enough falls well below the "civilized" line.
19. Posted by BigDaddy | September 4, 2007 4:03 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:03
20. Posted by Steve Crickmore | September 4, 2007 4:03 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
UNfortunately, (Whoopi is also UN ambassador for UNICEF ) it seems very difficult for black celebrities to condemn other blacks, even one's who have escaped poverty...'Responsibility for one's own actions' doesn't exist in their vocabularly. And Whoopi doesn't even blame the black culture of 'dog fighting' but a culture of a certain part of the country, the code being the South and it's legacy of slavery.
20. Posted by Steve Crickmore | September 4, 2007 4:03 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:03
21. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 4, 2007 4:05 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Well, Whoopie seems to be doing a good job of replacing Rosie. At least she's got the bloggers posting about "The View" again.
21. Posted by P. Bunyan | September 4, 2007 4:05 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:05
22. Posted by Tamekia | September 4, 2007 4:08 PM | Score: -32 (32 votes cast)
Well, I agree with Whoopi. I'm glad someone finally spoke out about it. I am a young African American women and I don't think anything is wrong with dog fighting as long as it's done in the privacy of your own home. It was okay for dogs to fight when they were used to kill off my ancestors, but yet now today so many people have a problem with it. Dogs are dogs, cows are cows, chickens are chickens, God put all animals on earth, and there is no where in the bible that states God is against dog fighting.
America should of thought about the rules when white people where breaking the laws, now that it's a successful black man doing it, it now becomes a problem!
22. Posted by Tamekia | September 4, 2007 4:08 PM |
Score: -32 (32 votes cast)
Posted on September 4, 2007 16:08
23. Posted by givemeabreak | September 4, 2007 4:10 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Woopie also believes that an African American has the right to slice the throat of a white skinned blond too. You would think she could relate to other dogs.
23. Posted by givemeabreak | September 4, 2007 4:10 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:10
24. Posted by Oyster | September 4, 2007 4:12 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Sure, it's a southern thing, Whoopie. That's why they do it in the UK and in Finland and Boston.
Whoopie is a fool.
24. Posted by Oyster | September 4, 2007 4:12 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:12
25. Posted by SPQR | September 4, 2007 4:12 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Tamekia, if you support dog fighting, then lobby to have crimes removed from our criminal code. Until then, society has criminalized that behavior and Vick is a convicted felon.
The claim that somehow this prosecution is racist have no foundation.
25. Posted by SPQR | September 4, 2007 4:12 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:12
26. Posted by Oyster | September 4, 2007 4:17 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Tamekia, first off, spell check is your friend. Secondly, it hasn't just recently become "a problem".
26. Posted by Oyster | September 4, 2007 4:17 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:17
27. Posted by D-Hoggs | September 4, 2007 4:34 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Please tell me that Tamekia is really someone just joking around. "It was okay for dogs to fight when they were used to kill off my ancestors" WTF does that even mean?!
27. Posted by D-Hoggs | September 4, 2007 4:34 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:34
28. Posted by Denise | September 4, 2007 4:38 PM | Score: 3 (7 votes cast)
First of all, Tamekia, dogfighting is a CRIME! There is nothing ok with pitting poor defenseless animals against each other and letting them rip each other to pieces in the name of sport and then betting on it. Oh, and what about just letting the weak ones die and the cruel torture that is done to them to kill them (electrocution, shooting them, etc.). It doesn't matter where you are from, it is wrong!
And, who said anything about bringing the bible into this. How about God put all creatures on this earth for us to look after, not to torture and kill.
And, Whoopi is an idiot for defending Vick by saying that everyone in the south does it. I'm deeply disappointed in her and the View and ABC/The View should address this asap.
28. Posted by Denise | September 4, 2007 4:38 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:38
29. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 4:43 PM | Score: -13 (15 votes cast)
I'm with Tamekia on this! Get over yourself hypocrites. What about the poor little deer you people kill every year for freaking sport!
You're just a bunch of evil hypocrites!
29. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 4:43 PM |
Score: -13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on September 4, 2007 16:43
30. Posted by Kevin
| September 4, 2007 4:48 PM | Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
FWIW, based on her IP address, Tamekia is from Atlanta.
30. Posted by Kevin
| September 4, 2007 4:48 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:48
31. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 4:52 PM | Score: -12 (14 votes cast)
I wonder
Did you cry out about the klan killing black people in the south such as Emmitte Till, like you are about a dog!
Wait...My bad! What was I thinking! That was the custom on how to handle uppity black folks!
Nevermind!
31. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 4:52 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:52
32. Posted by SPQR | September 4, 2007 4:57 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
justice58, what kind of stupid question is that?
32. Posted by SPQR | September 4, 2007 4:57 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 16:57
33. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 5:04 PM | Score: -9 (9 votes cast)
There was no outrage by whites at the murder of Emmitt Till (human) like it is about a dog. However, I love my pet cat & wouldn't harm her for nothing in this world but she is not equal to a human.
33. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 5:04 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 17:04
34. Posted by DJ Drummond | September 4, 2007 5:07 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
When exactly did the Klan last kill somebody?
I daresay I am vehemently opposed to murder, but only a complete asshat would bring up murder out of context, just to try to make animal cruelty look acceptable.
34. Posted by DJ Drummond | September 4, 2007 5:07 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 17:07
35. Posted by SPQR | September 4, 2007 5:10 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
And certainly a non sequitur of enormous proportion.
35. Posted by SPQR | September 4, 2007 5:10 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 17:10
36. Posted by Mitchell | September 4, 2007 5:14 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Utterly Irrelevant! There is a law on the books against it, I don't care what "cultural" predilections you have for it.
So get over it, it's the law. And it happens to reflect current morality, as well.
36. Posted by Mitchell | September 4, 2007 5:14 PM |
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Posted on September 4, 2007 17:14
37. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 5:15 PM | Score: -8 (8 votes cast)
No!
I'm not making anything look acceptable. I hate killing period! Why kill deer for sport & then criticize anyone else about a dog? Same difference to me!
"When exactly did the Klan last kill somebody"?
Does it matter? Geez!
37. Posted by justice58 | September 4, 2007 5:15 PM |
Score: -8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 4, 2007 17:15
38. Posted by DJ Drummond | September 4, 2007 5:15 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Ah. Emmett Till, a 14-year old boy murdered more than a half-century ago. And by what I read, pretty much EVERYONE in the country was outraged, white and black.
So, the lib is lying. What a shock.
And the lib is trying to justify thuggish behavior now, by dredging up an old atrocity from before most of us were born.
Contemptible tactics, but I'm still not blami