Dems, Terrorists and Jihadi masterminds all with similar aims and timeframes!

It's not your Grandfather's Democrat Party, that's for sure!

Kill - the - U-S-A
Vote for dems, ev'ry day,

HEY HEY, D - N - C,
How many fingers do you see?
That - we - flip at you,
As liberty, you screw and screw

HEY HEY - Wed the "gay",
Just don't defend - the U S A,
Alien, killers too,
Need the rights - they get from you

Hey - A - CLU,
Child preds are safe with you,
And - the - leftists say,
"It's 'for the kids', we act this way"

And the liberal congregation said, "If Christians weren't such a bunch of dangerous fanatics we would say, 'Aaaa-mennn!'."

They missed the deadline?

Damn- now they're going to have to hire some management consultants or something.

Wow, hey look at that - they caught terrorists using proven police methods.

Stupid Germans. What are they thinking? Don't they know they should just invade a country that isn't involved instead?

And, just so we're totally clear: there's NOTHING in the Reuters article that says anything about the surveillance that caught these creeps, being in ANY WAY based on warrantless wiretapping, or torture, or anything beyond good, solid police work.

So this line in the article:

Naturally, the sort of surveillance which led to these arrests is precisely that many Democrats want ended.

- is completely and totally baseless.

Just so you know.

jim, reports of emails given to the Germans, probably caught through NSA type surveillance. Note the timing to support the Lose the Warriors?
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jim, the methods used by OUR government to alert the Germans to the threat in THEIR country are exactly the methods the Far Left wants stopped. And since the Far Left is calling the shots in the Democrat Party these days your comment is completely baseless.

What you call 'good old fashioned police work' covered a multitude of sins in the old days. The task had fallen to bureaucrats and your ken of it to novelists by the time your constabulary sensibilities were formed, but what you consider effective doesn't begin to cut it, anymore, foge.

Can you explain all those sites going off the air virtually simultaneously? Huh?
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jim, from his high falutin place of ignorant honor, is happy to declaim about 'completely and totally baseless'. What he don't know about baseless.
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OK, now I've read this article. The suspect were either tremendously stupid or tremendously desperate if they persisted with planning despite knowledge of police surveillance.

The big boys would like to know why they slash tire with impunity and still talk to the other 79 suspects. bin Laden is shaking his long black beard, 'With help like this, how can you get anything done, anymore? And they blame me.'
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"Naturally, the sort of surveillance which led to these arrests is precisely that many Democrats want ended"

What is your evidence 1) 'sort of surveillance'
2) Dems 'want ended' (sic)?.

Law enforcement is the method preferred by upholders of Habeus Corpus. Whose ox is being gored by this post?

It's not law enforcement against criminals. It's defense against a wartime enemy.

Kim and Justrand - please list exactly what methods these are, that you guys are saying Democrats are against and want forbidden.

Because I read the Reuters article that was linked to, and saw nothing about any methods that fit this description.

Which makes it a baseless accusation, by definition.

Jim, I have a silly little question....

You guys on the left keep saying that we should not treat terrorism as a military battle but a law enforcement battle....

But in the next breath you guys blame Bush for not killing bin Laden.

Can you tell me how this are both genuinely held beliefs and not partisan dumbshit talking points?

"Can you tell me how this are both genuinely held beliefs and not partisan dumbshit talking points?"

For a mind-numbingly stupid parrot, you ask questions I would expect from someone recently gut-shot. Are you in pain?

And Jim, silly question number two...

The liberals always bash Bush for his "cowboy go it alone military first" ways... Yet when Bush worked with the Northern Alliance and the locals in Afghanistan rather than invading or bombing Tora Bora ourselves, Liberals whine that we "outsourced" the killing of bin Laden.

Can you tell me how this are both genuinely held beliefs and not partisan dumbshit talking points?

And Jim... I also have silly question number 3...

For days now, the liberals have been wailing that Bush hasn't killed bin Laden... YET none of them blame Clinton for not taking bin Laden when he was offered to the U.S. not 1 not 2 but 3 times.

Can you tell me how this are both genuinely held beliefs and not partisan dumbshit talking points?

ok... we know Semanticleo can't answer the question... anyone else?

For a mind-numbingly stupid parrot, you ask questions I would expect from someone recently gut-shot.

Cleo....you drag your past in here every time and attempt to dispense snark all the while assuming no one remembers your mind-numbingly stupid appearances elsewhere.

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/12/on-getting-screwed/

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/03/tony-blair-mentions-god.html

http://patterico.com/2007/08/01/ive-wanted-to-post-this-syllogism-since-clyburns-statement/

Go away, you fool.

".you drag your past in here every time and attempt to dispense snark all the while assuming no one remembers your mind-numbingly stupid appearances elsewhere."

Speaking of parrots. Wanna cracker?

Jim:

And, just so we're totally clear: there's NOTHING in the Reuters article that says anything about the surveillance that caught these creeps, being in ANY WAY based on warrantless wiretapping, or torture, or anything beyond good, solid police work.

Guess you missed this part

The arrests were the culmination of an investigation that began a year ago, when U.S. officials alerted German authorities to e-mails intercepted from Pakistan.

Your assertion the U.S. intel services didn't hav a hand in uncovering this plot is "completely and totally baseless."

"Just so you know."

Speaking of parrots. Wanna cracker?...no thanks, althouse and patterico said not to accept food from fools.

Jim:

Because I read the Reuters article that was linked to, and saw nothing about any methods that fit this description.

Let's assume for the sake of argument your correct, no NSA program or other programs used by intel services were used.

Then how DID U.S. sources intercept these emails from Pakistan and alert German authorities?

semanticleo:

Are you in pain?

YES! Every time you show up in a thread and contribute nothing.

"Every time you show up in a thread and contribute nothing."

They say being gut-shot is the most painful of all wounds. Sorry for your pain.

semanticleo - so contribute something.

Maybe you can answer the question posed to Jim.

Just how did U.S. authorities intercept emails from Pakistan without the use of the Terrorist Surveillance program or other intel sources?

Can I continue my normal respiration rate while I wait? (as opposed to holding my breath)

"Just how did U.S. authorities intercept emails from Pakistan without the use of the Terrorist Surveillance program or other intel sources?"

Neither I, or you or the talking parrots have any idea, because that is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY, and must remain on secret-double probation. But it really doesn't matter, to you folks, how they got the information, does it?

Never argue with anyone that enters the battle of wits, unarmed. Semanticleo and Jim didn't realize they needed to know what they were talking about. They deal with democrats on a daily basis and all are on the same level of stupid. Just repeat after me 'I never had sex with that woman'. S Starts at the top and flows downhill, one of the major things a plumber needs to know. I had already read on several sources that the U.S. provided the Germans with the EMails that got them on track. Hard day to day police work did the rest. Semanticleo and Jim evidently only read the propaganda at KOS/DU and make fools of themselves daily by parroting the left wing Democrat/Communist garbage. Do the DNC talking heads use Osama's talking points of is it the other way around?

secret-double probation.

That's double secret probation, Wermer wannabe.

Scrapiron

Do the DNC talking heads use Osama's talking points of is it the other way around?

I think they go both ways...

"That's double secret probation, Wermer wannabe."

I hope you're not trying to build the courage to ask me for a date. Just a stalker? OK.

senmanticleo:

Neither I, or you or the talking parrots have any idea, because that is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY, and must remain on secret-double probation. But it really doesn't matter, to you folks, how they got the information, does it?

Oh... look he's hiding behind the veil of secrecy! You're an absolute genus! (not)

Sorry guy, you making a (educated?) guess as to how they were intercepted wouldn't harm "NATIONAL SECURITY" one wit. (unless you care to admit your a member of the outfit that did the intercept)

What it does do is give you a handy excuse to NOT offer an answer.

ASSHAT

"guess as to how they were intercepted wouldn't harm "NATIONAL SECURITY""

Just the fact that the terrorists KNOW we're listening places the program in jeopardy. Who leaked that to Reuters? Hang him from the yardarm

Semanticleo

When a troll has a history of being tossed from several blogs they usually:
1) go back home
2) sharpen their polemic
3) become better informed
4) try to become the next Deb Frisch.

You've failed 1-3, and with every appearance look more like #4.

Jim.... oh jim, you still out there? Or are you still looking for that answer that tops semanticleo's in lunacy?

Anyway, since you brought out the "fight terror with good police work" canard, here is the end game in your idea.

a $2 billion dollar judgement against Iran for its part in the 1983 bombing of a Marine barracks in Lebanon.

Of course the fly in the ointment is the surviving victims and the relatives will never see a penny.

semanticleo:

Just the fact that the terrorists KNOW we're listening places the program in jeopardy. Who leaked that to Reuters? Hang him from the yardarm

So, then you agree the NYT leaking the NSA terror surveillance program and leaking the financial monitoring program harmed their use?

And your still avoiding the question.

NOTE this second Reuters report of the German bust. This version claims the intercepts were of a phone call from Pakistan not emails.

According to surveillance details published in Der Spiegel magazine, the men had been given a two-week deadline for their planned strikes in a late August call from northern Pakistan that was monitored by German police

QUICK, semanticleo...call in the feds! I've compromised national security!