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Analyzing Osama

The recent video from Osama bin Laden raises as many questions as it answers. Is it a "trigger" for new attacks? Did these include the recently thwarted plots in Denmark and Germany? Why is he still commiserating over Kerry's loss in 2004? Even most Democrats have gotten over that.

Perhaps he is just trying to keep his name out there, postulates Robert Baer for Time:


One conclusion to draw from the new Osama bin Laden video tape is that the mastermind of 9/11 apparently is worrying about his relevance these days.

And judging by the transcript, he has good reason to worry about it. Among other things, bin Laden maunders about corporations causing global warming and the Democrats failing to get the U.S. out of Iraq. Speculation is already rife that he is wearing a fake beard, since his grey of a few years ago has mysteriously disappeared. It seems he's either lost his mind, or is the victim of a covert action campaign.

The new tape aside, it's hard to imagine that bin Laden is happy about what he's wrought in the last six years since 9/11. How can he not see that he is accountable for the death of tens of thousands of Muslims, nearly all of them believers, innocent of any crimes against Islam?


Read the entire column at the link above. Osama's screed is less about American intrusion upon Muslim Holy places - after all, of Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem, we are in . . . none of them - and more of a recitation of far-left grievances. He whines about the failure of Democrats to withdraw from Iraq, about eeeeevil corporations, and even about global warming.

Let's face it: he sounds more like Cindy Sheehan than the Master of All Terror.

Why would he want the USA to get out of Iraq if his forces are destroying us there? Wouldn't he rather we stay so he can humiliate us?

He lacks the bluster of earlier missives. He's beginning to sound like some burned-out hippy protester from the regular San Francisco area demonstrations. And why not? Who else supports him like the loony-tunes American Left these days? You know, the same folks who rail against the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as intrusions upon "sovereign" countries even as they complain we haven't invaded sovereign Pakistan to hunt him down.

Speculation rages that his newly darkened beard and mustache may be fake. Does he need a disguise to travel even in the mountains of Waziristan? Or is he just trying to attract the hot babes from a Just For Men™ commercial?

Still, at least his endorsement of Chomsky and Scheuer may help their book sales in the fever swamps. It's a sign of a big man to never forget the little people behind him . . .


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Yes - why IS Osama saying t... (Below threshold)
jim:

Yes - why IS Osama saying things that benefit conservatives?

Since the invasion and occupation of Iraq has greatly benefited Al Qaeda, from recruiting to resources to prestige to even live training against our soldiers - Bin Laden probably wants to do everything he can to keep conservatives in power.

Thanks for being played, guys.

Maybe he's just stupid, lik... (Below threshold)

Maybe he's just stupid, like you?

If the invasion of Iraq has so "benefited" him and al Qaeda, wouldn't it be in their interest for it to continue?

@#1 - OH MY GAWD JIM... You... (Below threshold)
Paul:

@#1 - OH MY GAWD JIM... You are completely delusional...

Yes, Osama released this vid and a super double secret reverse psychology end around ploy to tick the American people into supporting conservatives.

You are fucking out of your mind.

Your reply shows just how lost the people on the left are. Really... that was just embarrassing.

How can he not see... (Below threshold)
marc:
How can he not see that he is accountable for the death of tens of thousands of Muslims, nearly all of them believers, innocent of any crimes against Islam?
Since when has he or any of his followers cared one wit about killing fellow Muslims.

If Mulims don't adhere to his jihadist-cut-throat wing of Islam they are infidels like the rest of us.

Jim:

Yes - why IS Osama saying things that benefit conservatives?

Like what? Saying the only possible outcome in Iraq is to leave AND convert to Islam?

How does that benefit conservatives nimrod?

Jim, you've had your ass handed to you in the last two threads you've inhabited, are you a saddist looking for more?

Paul ~ Now you know why the... (Below threshold)

Paul ~ Now you know why the official motto of the South Carolina public schools is, "Thank God for Mississippi!"

marc, I think you mean jim ... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

marc, I think you mean jim is a masochist, although his subjecting the rest of us to his painful stupidity could be a twisted form of sadism.

>Paul ~ Now you know why th... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>Paul ~ Now you know why the official motto of the South Carolina public schools is, "Thank God for Mississippi!"

Yeah... I think of all the dumb posts I've ever read, that must be in the top 2 or 3 on a pure dumbness scale.. simply amazing. I almost promoted it to a post by itself as the quote of the day... It was simply amazing.

Paul ~ Yes, he is rapidly ... (Below threshold)

Paul ~ Yes, he is rapidly improving. He can demonstrate his stupidity in far fewer words than he required only days ago. The boy has a future in the fever swamps.

And to think he's probably prepubescent . . . and they say our young people won't amount to anything!

Well, guess what buddy, he'... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Well, guess what buddy, he's about to be your problem. I'm done. He, Babble2000 and nogo are all cooked in my world. My only regret is that I didn't stand up freedomfried on that thread... but as per that mail his day is near.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me.. As I've said many many times, those are the ones I usually answer; there is little point discussing things with someone I agree with.

But the insanity of a few of them and the abject stupidity of this one has grown tiresome.

Has Jim been coaching Chuck... (Below threshold)

Has Jim been coaching Chuck Schumer? Or is it the other way around?

Didn't bin laden say in his last missive that he wanted us to stay in Iraq so they could continue the fight?

The trimmed and darkened beard is merely a manifestation of a mid-life crisis. Even jihadis worry about getting old and that the young jihadi babes won't look at them. He's probably got a convertible Mercedes now too.

Yes - why IS Osam... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Yes - why IS Osama saying things that benefit conservatives?

Lefties have been "told" (as opposed to thinking for themselves) that OBL wants to us to stay in Iraq for recruiting purposes.

If these people could think one step beyond the given talking point they would be forced to think about how a withdrawal and defeat of the United States would benefit recruiting for Al Qaeda even more.

Think about it lefties....really really think here.

If OBL could claim such a major victory verses a situation where the Iraq population is turning against him and his organization then he could get the young and naïve to rally behind the victory with the promise of moving to the next battlefield.

It doesn't look very good right now for Al Qaeda in Iraq and Muslims across the Middle East and SE Asia are turning against them. He needs a victory there more than ever.

If these left wing talking points were not spoon fed to people like jim they would then have to confront the fact the one of world's worst and sickest organization in world history sounds exactly like themselves.

But he does sound like a lefty because it's they that give OBL hope for his victory and our defeat..."PERIOD"

If it was Osama, and I'm st... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

If it was Osama, and I'm still not sure it was, it seems like he has been relegated to "Lokk at me! Look at me!" status. Frankly, I think Darth Vader was more menacing in his time than OBL is now. Yes, I know he is/was a terrorist mastermind who is responsible for the deaths of many innocent people, but I believe he has lost relevance and credibilty even in the jihad movement if all he can resort to are questionable videos every few years. Frankly, I think the worms and maggots are done with him and have moved on.

"Let's face it: he sounds m... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

"Let's face it: he sounds more like Cindy Sheehan than the Master of All Terror."

Let's face it it...Cindy Sheehan was not behind recruiting Saudis to do 9/11..

How many of your children have died in Iraq?
This mother has taken a visible stand. You may not agree with her. But to link her to The Person who was the most responsible for 9/11?
Where is your family sacrifice?

Where is your outrage in Bush selling $20 billion of arms to the nation behind 9/11 and the nation more than Iran funding those that kill our troops?

Let me remind you a very liberal Democrat President led this nation to victory in World War II. Nixon cut and ran from Viet Nam and Reagan cut and ran from the middle East..
W's Dad did not finish the job....and W has committed FUBAR...so where are your glorious Republican Presidents?

So save your whining...and when you can demonstrate you or a member or your family has paid the price of Cindy Sheehan...let us know...
...and if you truly believe that the 60% plus of Americans who now know Iraq invasion was wrong and want our troops home are supporting bin L...then continue to dream of a Republican Landslide in 2008.

as we all know...15 of the ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

as we all know...15 of the 19 on 9/11 were Saudi...but hey it has never been about oil

This is a war against Islam... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

This is a war against Islamofacists no matter where they are. This is a war that crosses all countries. The simple minded left, in this case, NOGO and Jim cannot grasp the complexity of this. It is way over their heads. They have to dumb it down to a soundbite. "War for oil", "NeoCons and Jews" and any other little ditty the DNC commands them to repeat.

I do not think about Obama at all. He is old news. He is HIDING in a cave for 6 years. This is not a war against one person. ww

WW - I think you mean "Osam... (Below threshold)
Ted:

WW - I think you mean "Osama", not "Obama".

Jim, you forgot to mention that other benefit we've provided Al Queda in Iraq: A whole bunch of them have been made martyrs.

This mother ha... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
This mother has taken a visible stand. You may not agree with her. But to link her to The Person who was the most responsible for 9/11

No one is 'linking" Cindy Sheehan with OBL's actions as a terrorist. However they are linked in the talking point department because that is who OBL must placate to in order to gain his victory.

Of course you probably recognized the original analogy but needed something to say to garner some attention.

There, I've accommodated you.

Let me remind you... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Let me remind you a very liberal Democrat President led this nation to victory in World War II

Whoop-tee ding dong. By today's standards if that war were to take place "now" under a Republican President you lefties would screaming at the top of your lungs over the losses. You would be screaming about fighting Germany when it was Japan that attacked us. I could keep going.......

In fact the one parallel with WW2 is that today's Democrats will be remembered in the history books as the Chamberlins of their time.

Y'all lefties like being to... (Below threshold)
kim:

Y'all lefties like being tools for Adam Gadahn?

Critical thinking. Tough when you're heavy metal toxic.
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W's Dad did not f... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
W's Dad did not finish the job

First off quite a few Democrats voted against the Gulf War. Even your last presidential nominee voted against it even though it passed the "world test", you know that rallying of many nations to take action. Something he said he would do as President but didn't do as a Senator.

Then the mandate was to remove Saddam from Kuwait. If we went to Baghdad then it would have "NOT" met the "world test", yet lefties didn't want the Gulf War but have the nerve to complain that the war they didn't want wasn't expanded without allies. Sheesh.... Frigg'in morons.

Then when a Democrat became President he informed us that Saddam was not meeting his obligations in the cease fire agreement and lefties rallied behind military action when it didn't meet the "world test". (The majority of the UN was against "Operation Desert Fox") We lost allies because a Democrat did exactly what they claim President Bust is doing.

Consistency has not proved to be a virtue with the lefties of late.

Let me remind you ... (Below threshold)
Steve of Norway:
Let me remind you a very liberal Democrat President led this nation to victory in World War II.

ie Socialist, but yeah. Would be nice to read how the NY Times treated Normandy on the very first wave or Iwo Jima.

and W has committed FUBAR
That makes no damn sense.


...and if you truly believe that the 60% plus of Americans who now know Iraq invasion was wrong and want our troops home are supporting bin L...then continue to dream of a Republican Landslide in 2008.

By all means, continue mis-reading those results while you're at it nogo. If you honestly believe people want us to lose, you truly are a delusional libtard. Last year's election was NOT about Iraq. If it were, why haven't the democrats pulled the funding? Why haven't they pulled the troops?

It's got to be tough being ... (Below threshold)
kim:

It's got to be tough being a leftist these days. Nothing makes sense anymore for them and on top of that, the globe is cooling.
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as we all kno... (Below threshold)
Paul:

as we all know...15 of the 19 on 9/11 were Saudi...but hey it has never been about oil

14. Posted by nogo war | September 9, 2007 8:50 AM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: -2 (2 votes cast)

nogo you are the master of saying things that while technically true, mean nothing in terms of the discussion at hand.

Little Jack Nogo, sat in a ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Little Jack Nogo, sat in a corner,
eating his bitter boil.
Up jumped bin Laden and his poor boy Adam
Who screamed "It's all about oil".
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Yeah, let's forget about OB... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Yeah, let's forget about OBL, like WetWillie and the Ass-Kicker-in-Chief want us to; after all, what did he do really? Couple of plots here and there, murdered a few thousand Americans, big deal. It's just so 2001. Time to move on. Hey, there's plenty of money to be made in that there desert, at least if you're well connected to the House of Bush. Yee Hah! War is Peace.

Who knows why Osama released the tape. Does he want some new exposure? Sure seems to have worked for him. When he pops up like this it's hard not to wonder why we haven't hunted him down yet. What's the reason? I know, it's because this war on terror stuff is hard work (smirk, smirk). I'm sure all the good little Bushlings have rationalized this particular failing of their leader somehow. So the decider has decided that this mass murderer,a sworn enemy of this country who has not only threatened US, but actually succeeded in making good his threats on several occasions, isn't worth hunting down and bringing to justice? No, he'd rather have your grandmother patted down at the airport and listen in on your phone calls. It would be laughable if it wasn't so insane.

BTW Steve, last year's election WAS about Iraq. IF you doubt that, wait until next year. The Dems need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done, even though personally I think they're too spineless to push for this even if they had the votes.

groucho, you haven't notice... (Below threshold)
kim:

groucho, you haven't noticed, have you, that bin Laden alive and spouting tired Kos rhetoric via Adam Gadahn is far more useful to the Republicans than he is dead?

You just want him dead now because he is a constant reminder of what poor people the leftist anti-war crowd are.

Had bin Laden been killed at Tora Bora, it would be necessary to resuscitate him. Politicallly, he has become invaluable, and his cause shown to be the fantastic delusion that it fundamentally is. And you bought it, sucker.
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kim @ # 24... roflmao... (Below threshold)
Paul:

kim @ # 24... roflmao

"Who else supports him [Osa... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"Who else supports him [Osama bin Laden] like the loony-tunes American Left these days?" -- Jim Addison

To defend your slander, Jim, either name the lefties who support Osama and describe how they support him, or SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE-DELETED] UP!!!

You see, Jim, your gall here is breathtaking. You write that we on the left are "the same folks who rail against the [invasion] of Afghanistan." Before you write crap like this, at least find out the proportion of congressional Democrats who voted against invading Afghanistan. What proportion was it, Jim?

Moreover, it was you Republicans who lost interest in bringing Osama been Forgotten to justice. There came a point where you preferred to go after those who didn't attack us on Sept 11th rather than those who did. Besides, all those Muslims are together in some sort of "Islamofascist" conspiracy against us, and Republicans simply don't do nuance, right, Jim?

Consequently, you didn't give a damn when the Idiot-in-Chief that you're responsible for had this to say about Osama: "I truly am not that concerned about him." (Bush, March 2002). This was one time where Bush spoke the truth, so Osama remains free to come out with new videos every now and then.

You did enjoy Osama's new video, didn't you, Jim?

So the decider... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
So the decider has decided that this mass murderer,a sworn enemy of this country who has not only threatened US, but actually succeeded in making good his threats on several occasions, isn't worth hunting down and bringing to justice

I understand your dilemma, that being you have no choice but to repeat the spoon fed talking points otherwise you lose your good standing in the lefty circles. They are pretty brutal against dissent so I can show some empathy.

But I'm sure you are aware of where Afghanistan is located on a map. If not then Miss Teen South Carolina was originally correct, some people just don't have maps.

This I do know, it does not matter a hill of beans how many troops you pour into the Afghan-Pakistan border area. If you put 500,000 troops in there it doesn't change a thing in upgrading the chances of finding him there. Not to mention the resources needed logistically to move a force that big and supply them as they search by foot. (Refer to your map again)

The entire region is ambush alley.

My son who is serving in the 82nd Airborne Division is in Tora Bora this very moment. I've had one contact with him since they were deployed from Kandahar to that region. He was amazed at the vastness. Of course he is not the first to tell this to me first hand.

I don't expect anyone such as you to understand logistics or terrain. But American Forces and our allies are there now. Not finding him there in the vastness doesn't change the overall war on terror. He is one man who has been relinquished to "cave dweller" and is more of a symbol than an actual threat.

U.S. Hunts al-Qaida in Afghanistan

BAGRAMI, Afghanistan -- Hundreds of U.S.-led troops have launched an offensive against al-Qaida and Taliban militants in an area of eastern Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden once hid, officials said Wednesday.

Return to Bin Laden's Lair

Sept. 3, 2007 issue - One way or another, Afghanistan always comes to this: a group of men of varying degrees of fitness sweating up goat-steep mountainsides, wondering whether trouble will come from ahead, behind or above, and marveling at how anyone can fight in a place like this, in whatever war is going on at the time. The war against the Soviets, the wars between the warlords, the war of the Talibs, the Taliban vs. the Northern Alliance, the American invasion and, now, the apparently endless hunt for Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. In all this, one place, Tora Bora, played a starring role, and still does.
Nogo war, FDR began WWII by... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Nogo war, FDR began WWII by lying to the American public repeatedly about his intentions and his secret efforts to get us embroiled in the war. Great example.

Take a rest, Joe. I'm sure ... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Take a rest, Joe. I'm sure you're a little dizzy from all that spinning. The fact remains that we have let the worldwide figurehead of terror escape justice for 6 years. Ask yourself honestly, if you can, would you be so quick to explain away the same failure if a Democrat had been in charge since 9/11?

To be honest, with his refe... (Below threshold)
pennywit:

To be honest, with his references to the Freuer book, Noam Chomsky, global warming, and the recent election, he reminded me less of the Master of All Terror (TM Addison) and more of a politician who, speaking to a young crowd, tries to throw in cultural references to appear "cool" and "hip" and "with it," but just makes everybody uncomfortable.

A side note: In today's Washington Post Outlook section, Bruce Hoffman makes the case that Zawahiri, rather than Osama, is the real "Master of All Terror."

--|PW|--

groucho, if we'd killed bin... (Below threshold)
kim:

groucho, if we'd killed bin Laden at Tora Bora, who would be around to so effectively demonstrate the conincidence of al Qaeda's doctrine, and that of the Democratic Party.

How did Rove get to young Adam Gadahn's teachers, lo, these many years ago?
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Take a rest, Joe. ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Take a rest, Joe. I'm sure you're a little dizzy from all that spinning

Then point out what I wrote that you took as spin and we can take it from there.

Or was that just another blanket statement from a leftie with no meaning just for the sake of saying anything to save some face.

would you be so quick to explain away the same failure if a Democrat had been in charge since 9/11?

One difference is I actually believed president Clinton and every Democrat that said Saddam was a threat during the 1990's.

So did every lefty. But somehow President Bush says the same thing and he's a liar, yet no lefties calling President Clinton a liar or all those Democrats. Gee, why is that?

As far as Afghanistan goes, there is no debate unless Al Gore was elected and reacted. You don't know what he would have done, neither do I except we have past actions of the Clinton / Gore administration to go by. Right now that is the only measurement of his reaction we can go by. That being the case, lobbing a couple Cruise missiles into Afghanistan is probably all we could expect.

Also would you blame Al Gore for 9-11 the same way you lefties blame President Bush? Especially the continuity of the two administrations.

I'll be back later this eve... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

I'll be back later this evening groucho, which will give you plenty of time to figure out what I'm spinning.

Later........

I realize OBL is not hiding... (Below threshold)
groucho:

I realize OBL is not hiding in an apartment in Detroit, or even in a hole outside of Tikrit and that finding him will be difficult. My point is that, after an initial show of bluster, bravado and cowboy rhetoric, Bush more or less gave up the chase and, inexplicably, chose to invade a country that did not attack us. Why? Maybe spinning was not the most accurate term, but you worked very hard at trying to somehow justify Bush's failure to bring OBL in "dead or alive". Remember when he said that? What changed? You'd think he would have pulled out all the stops from the get-go, because, unlike the Iraq debacle, this is a mission that could actually succeed. Bush has FAILED to get OBL, has he not? It's not really a partisan thing, as much as you may need to hammer on that tired talking point to divert the issue. You and the few remaining Bush apologists and enablers left are the ones apparently trying to save face here.

As for 9/11, there's probably some blame to go around on all sides, but it happened on your boy's watch, most likely because he and his cabal of handlers were too busy salivating over Iraq and the fact that they finally had their grubby little hands on the controls, so I think the lion's share should be on his head, as well as the misguided crew of incompetents he surrounded himself with. But I digress.

groucho, your opinions seem... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

groucho, your opinions seem based on a rather gross misunderstanding of the historical events.

Since finding Bin Laden after the fall of Tora Bora was an intel problem, the Iraq operation more than a year later was not a "diversion". Secondly, in 2001 leading up to Sept 11, the Bush administration was hardly "salivating" over Iraq. Other than reviewing options to see how to break the stalemate with Iraq over WMD and sanctions, it was not a large focus of the Bush admin despite repeated revisionist claims like yours.

Revisionist claim or willfu... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Revisionist claim or willful overlooking of reality? There's plenty of evidence to suggest that a move against Iraq was definitely in the sights before 9/11. PNAC? Iraq Study Group? Why was the administration trying so hard to justify the invasion by trumpeting unprovable evidence and disregarding that which didn't agree with their posturing. I'm not going to play the link game, you can find it if you want to.

Kim, re # 26 and # 33 - tha... (Below threshold)
jim:

Kim, re # 26 and # 33 - thank you for proving my exact point.

Paul, as re # 3 - I guess you think Osama speaks he is absolutely guileless, and all his words are to be taken at face value?

Interesting theory.

groucho:Why wa... (Below threshold)
marc:

groucho:

Why was the administration trying so hard to justify the invasion by trumpeting unprovable evidence

What unprovable evidence would that be?

Surely you can provide an answer without playing "the link game."

Jim:Paul, as r... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

Paul, as re # 3 - I guess you think Osama speaks he is absolutely guileless, and all his words are to be taken at face value?

I won't speak for Paul, but I do.

I believe Osama DEM Laden when he declared war on the U.S. in '98.

I believe him when he says we not only have to leave Iraq but convert to Islam to cease his jihadist-cut-throat reign of terror. And note the conversion to Islam would include not only the U.S. but all of western society.

What about you, do you believe those words?

I realize OBL is n... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
I realize OBL is not hiding in an apartment in Detroit, or even in a hole outside of Tikrit and that finding him will be difficult

You realize finding him will be difficult? Is this a new revelation or something you knew all along?

My point is that, after an initial show of bluster, bravado and cowboy rhetoric, Bush more or less gave up the chase

So you acknowledge that it would be difficult to get OBL given the vast terrain, but that doesn't matter because the tone of bravado from the President? The only way to explain away what you already know is to cling to the lefty cowboy mantra as a reason for disagreeing with yourself. That's quite the stretch.

Maybe spinning was not the most accurate term, but you worked very hard at trying to somehow justify Bush's failure to bring OBL in "dead or alive".

After I explained what our military is up against you agreed with me that it would be difficult to find OBL in that region. The only thing left is to blame the military for President Bush's failure. Why don't you just come out and say the military screwed the pooch on this. That certainly seems to be what you are eluding too unless you expect the president to be on the ground looking himself. Now wouldn't that be a silly point, yet that is where we seem to be going here.

You'd think he would have pulled out all the stops from the get-go, because, unlike the Iraq debacle, this is a mission that could actually succeed.

Again you need to study a map. Every asset has to be airlifted in. All you have here is "spin" because there is no way you would know one way another of success given the fact you already said finding OBL would be difficult.

Bush has FAILED to get OBL, has he not

Just about every country representing NATO are in Afghanistan also. Oh I forgot it's ONLY Bush's fault because he said we were going to get OBL with such bravado. Yep, that's the ticket.

It's not really a partisan thing, as much as you may need to hammer on that tired talking point to divert the issue

Then you need to be specific in your points because you are making none except using old tired lefty talking points. I explained how logistically it would not be feasible to pour hundreds of thousands of troops in that region. If you want to make a counter point you need to explain why you think we should have a massive troop buildup in Afghanistan. Give it your best shot. The cowboy argument is pretty weak to say the least, the very least.

You and the few remaining Bush apologists and enablers left are the ones apparently trying to save face here

Hardly, in fact this entire thread has been a lefty smack down seeing that OBL feels the need to use Democratic Party talking points in the hopes of driving the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan. He needs the American left to do his bidding since the tide is turning on him and his organization. And not just in Iraq but across the entire Middle East and SE Asia.

As for 9/11, there's probably some blame to go around on all sides, but it happened on your boy's watch, most likely because he and his cabal of handlers were too busy salivating over Iraq and the fact that they finally had their grubby little hands on the controls, so I think the lion's share should be on his head, as well as the misguided crew of incompetents he surrounded himself with

The only way to save face with that argument is to come out and say "If Al Gore was elected, then 9-11 would never have happened".

But I doubt you are willing to go there.

Anyway, you did digress, that's for sure.

Just think if old Billie Bo... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Just think if old Billie Boy had done HIS job, all the lefty whiners would not have anything to bellyache about.

I believe him [Bin... (Below threshold)
jim:
I believe him [Bin Laden] when he says we not only have to leave Iraq but convert to Islam to cease his jihadist-cut-throat reign of terror. And note the conversion to Islam would include not only the U.S. but all of western society.

What about you, do you believe those words?

Not necessarily.

I think that, like any power-mad freak, he will say anything to anyone for any reason that will benefit him. I also think it's pretty likely he'd love to see us divided and at each other's throats, whatever else he wants.

So for that reason alone, crowing that "Bin Laden is just like a liberal! We need to stay in Iraq forever!" is quite possibly playing right into his hands.

We need to go by logic, and not by what Osama says, whether we think Osama's lying OR telling the truth about what he really wants.

Jim:So for tha... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

So for that reason alone, crowing that "Bin Laden is just like a liberal! We need to stay in Iraq forever!" is quite possibly playing right into his hands.

And just who is it that says we need to stay in Iraq forever? Quote them, with a link.

And no, you can't link to your own brain where you are hearing these strange voices saying "we need to stay in Iraq forever!"

The internet doesn't work that way, yet.

Jim:BTW asshat, if... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

BTW asshat, if your going to pull my words and quote them, DON'T EDIT them!

Guess we all better check your quotes of any and everything to ensure you haven't changed them from the original.

ASSHAT!

Fine, Marc. When I quoted y... (Below threshold)
jim:

Fine, Marc. When I quoted you above, I replaced 'him' with Bin Laden, for clarity...But I'll take you at your request.

And also, fine Marc - no on... (Below threshold)
jim:

And also, fine Marc - no one here is saying, necessarily, that we should stay in Iraq forever. So I'll take back that part of my quote.

What I do see people doing on this site, constantly, is accusing the Democrats of any number of things from pure hatred to treason for the simple "crime" of disagreeing with Bush, demanding information or stating the facts exactly as they are.

And to then compare liberals to this piece of crap Bin Laden, because Bin Laden said some things on a videotape - I think that's pretty uncalled for, and I do think it's also playing right into Bin Laden's hands.

Jim:And also, ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

And also, fine Marc - no one here is saying, necessarily, that we should stay in Iraq forever. So I'll take back that part of my quote.

Good! But I have to say you using the everyone is doing "X" so I can do "X" is flat out childish and a pile of cow dung.

But expected.

Now if you would only take that condom off your head you might get somewhere.

Given your history of ridic... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Given your history of ridiculous accusations, Jim, it amusing to read your little rant.

Hooray, #39, jim, you made ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hooray, #39, jim, you made my day. It's great when I'm appreciated.
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And to then compar... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
And to then compare liberals to this piece of crap Bin Laden, because Bin Laden said some things on a videotape - I think that's pretty uncalled for, and I do think it's also playing right into Bin Laden's hands

He didn't just say "some things", he mimicked what lefties say "ALL" the time. You would have to be a blithering idiot not to recognize those words OBL used as DNC talking points.

Thanks for being played, guys

Funny how you chastised those here in the comment yet you set the tone in the very first comment on the thread by saying that in the block quote above.

jumpinjoe - come on. What k... (Below threshold)
jim:

jumpinjoe - come on. What kind of tone does this set?

He's beginning to sound like some burned-out hippy protester from the regular San Francisco area demonstrations. And why not? Who else supports him like the loony-tunes American Left these days?

If you really believe this, then Osama IS playing you.




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