Yes - why IS Osama saying things that benefit conservatives?

Since the invasion and occupation of Iraq has greatly benefited Al Qaeda, from recruiting to resources to prestige to even live training against our soldiers - Bin Laden probably wants to do everything he can to keep conservatives in power.

Thanks for being played, guys.

Maybe he's just stupid, like you?

If the invasion of Iraq has so "benefited" him and al Qaeda, wouldn't it be in their interest for it to continue?

@#1 - OH MY GAWD JIM... You are completely delusional...

Yes, Osama released this vid and a super double secret reverse psychology end around ploy to tick the American people into supporting conservatives.

You are fucking out of your mind.

Your reply shows just how lost the people on the left are. Really... that was just embarrassing.

How can he not see that he is accountable for the death of tens of thousands of Muslims, nearly all of them believers, innocent of any crimes against Islam?

If Mulims don't adhere to his jihadist-cut-throat wing of Islam they are infidels like the rest of us.

Jim:

Yes - why IS Osama saying things that benefit conservatives?

Like what? Saying the only possible outcome in Iraq is to leave AND convert to Islam?

How does that benefit conservatives nimrod?

Jim, you've had your ass handed to you in the last two threads you've inhabited, are you a saddist looking for more?

Paul ~ Now you know why the official motto of the South Carolina public schools is, "Thank God for Mississippi!"

marc, I think you mean jim is a masochist, although his subjecting the rest of us to his painful stupidity could be a twisted form of sadism.

>Paul ~ Now you know why the official motto of the South Carolina public schools is, "Thank God for Mississippi!"

Yeah... I think of all the dumb posts I've ever read, that must be in the top 2 or 3 on a pure dumbness scale.. simply amazing. I almost promoted it to a post by itself as the quote of the day... It was simply amazing.

Paul ~ Yes, he is rapidly improving. He can demonstrate his stupidity in far fewer words than he required only days ago. The boy has a future in the fever swamps.

And to think he's probably prepubescent . . . and they say our young people won't amount to anything!

Well, guess what buddy, he's about to be your problem. I'm done. He, Babble2000 and nogo are all cooked in my world. My only regret is that I didn't stand up freedomfried on that thread... but as per that mail his day is near.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me.. As I've said many many times, those are the ones I usually answer; there is little point discussing things with someone I agree with.

But the insanity of a few of them and the abject stupidity of this one has grown tiresome.

Has Jim been coaching Chuck Schumer? Or is it the other way around?

Didn't bin laden say in his last missive that he wanted us to stay in Iraq so they could continue the fight?

The trimmed and darkened beard is merely a manifestation of a mid-life crisis. Even jihadis worry about getting old and that the young jihadi babes won't look at them. He's probably got a convertible Mercedes now too.

Yes - why IS Osama saying things that benefit conservatives?

Lefties have been "told" (as opposed to thinking for themselves) that OBL wants to us to stay in Iraq for recruiting purposes.

If these people could think one step beyond the given talking point they would be forced to think about how a withdrawal and defeat of the United States would benefit recruiting for Al Qaeda even more.

Think about it lefties....really really think here.

If OBL could claim such a major victory verses a situation where the Iraq population is turning against him and his organization then he could get the young and naïve to rally behind the victory with the promise of moving to the next battlefield.

It doesn't look very good right now for Al Qaeda in Iraq and Muslims across the Middle East and SE Asia are turning against them. He needs a victory there more than ever.

If these left wing talking points were not spoon fed to people like jim they would then have to confront the fact the one of world's worst and sickest organization in world history sounds exactly like themselves.

But he does sound like a lefty because it's they that give OBL hope for his victory and our defeat..."PERIOD"

If it was Osama, and I'm still not sure it was, it seems like he has been relegated to "Lokk at me! Look at me!" status. Frankly, I think Darth Vader was more menacing in his time than OBL is now. Yes, I know he is/was a terrorist mastermind who is responsible for the deaths of many innocent people, but I believe he has lost relevance and credibilty even in the jihad movement if all he can resort to are questionable videos every few years. Frankly, I think the worms and maggots are done with him and have moved on.

"Let's face it: he sounds more like Cindy Sheehan than the Master of All Terror."

Let's face it it...Cindy Sheehan was not behind recruiting Saudis to do 9/11..

How many of your children have died in Iraq?
This mother has taken a visible stand. You may not agree with her. But to link her to The Person who was the most responsible for 9/11?
Where is your family sacrifice?

Where is your outrage in Bush selling $20 billion of arms to the nation behind 9/11 and the nation more than Iran funding those that kill our troops?

Let me remind you a very liberal Democrat President led this nation to victory in World War II. Nixon cut and ran from Viet Nam and Reagan cut and ran from the middle East..
W's Dad did not finish the job....and W has committed FUBAR...so where are your glorious Republican Presidents?

So save your whining...and when you can demonstrate you or a member or your family has paid the price of Cindy Sheehan...let us know...
...and if you truly believe that the 60% plus of Americans who now know Iraq invasion was wrong and want our troops home are supporting bin L...then continue to dream of a Republican Landslide in 2008.

as we all know...15 of the 19 on 9/11 were Saudi...but hey it has never been about oil

This is a war against Islamofacists no matter where they are. This is a war that crosses all countries. The simple minded left, in this case, NOGO and Jim cannot grasp the complexity of this. It is way over their heads. They have to dumb it down to a soundbite. "War for oil", "NeoCons and Jews" and any other little ditty the DNC commands them to repeat.

I do not think about Obama at all. He is old news. He is HIDING in a cave for 6 years. This is not a war against one person. ww

WW - I think you mean "Osama", not "Obama".

Jim, you forgot to mention that other benefit we've provided Al Queda in Iraq: A whole bunch of them have been made martyrs.

This mother has taken a visible stand. You may not agree with her. But to link her to The Person who was the most responsible for 9/11

No one is 'linking" Cindy Sheehan with OBL's actions as a terrorist. However they are linked in the talking point department because that is who OBL must placate to in order to gain his victory.

Of course you probably recognized the original analogy but needed something to say to garner some attention.

There, I've accommodated you.

Let me remind you a very liberal Democrat President led this nation to victory in World War II

Whoop-tee ding dong. By today's standards if that war were to take place "now" under a Republican President you lefties would screaming at the top of your lungs over the losses. You would be screaming about fighting Germany when it was Japan that attacked us. I could keep going.......

In fact the one parallel with WW2 is that today's Democrats will be remembered in the history books as the Chamberlins of their time.

Y'all lefties like being tools for Adam Gadahn?

Critical thinking. Tough when you're heavy metal toxic.
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W's Dad did not finish the job

First off quite a few Democrats voted against the Gulf War. Even your last presidential nominee voted against it even though it passed the "world test", you know that rallying of many nations to take action. Something he said he would do as President but didn't do as a Senator.

Then the mandate was to remove Saddam from Kuwait. If we went to Baghdad then it would have "NOT" met the "world test", yet lefties didn't want the Gulf War but have the nerve to complain that the war they didn't want wasn't expanded without allies. Sheesh.... Frigg'in morons.

Then when a Democrat became President he informed us that Saddam was not meeting his obligations in the cease fire agreement and lefties rallied behind military action when it didn't meet the "world test". (The majority of the UN was against "Operation Desert Fox") We lost allies because a Democrat did exactly what they claim President Bust is doing.

Consistency has not proved to be a virtue with the lefties of late.

Let me remind you a very liberal Democrat President led this nation to victory in World War II.

ie Socialist, but yeah. Would be nice to read how the NY Times treated Normandy on the very first wave or Iwo Jima.

and W has committed FUBAR

...and if you truly believe that the 60% plus of Americans who now know Iraq invasion was wrong and want our troops home are supporting bin L...then continue to dream of a Republican Landslide in 2008.

It's got to be tough being a leftist these days. Nothing makes sense anymore for them and on top of that, the globe is cooling.
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as we all know...15 of the 19 on 9/11 were Saudi...but hey it has never been about oil

14. Posted by nogo war | September 9, 2007 8:50 AM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: -2 (2 votes cast)

nogo you are the master of saying things that while technically true, mean nothing in terms of the discussion at hand.

Little Jack Nogo, sat in a corner,
eating his bitter boil.
Up jumped bin Laden and his poor boy Adam
Who screamed "It's all about oil".
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Yeah, let's forget about OBL, like WetWillie and the Ass-Kicker-in-Chief want us to; after all, what did he do really? Couple of plots here and there, murdered a few thousand Americans, big deal. It's just so 2001. Time to move on. Hey, there's plenty of money to be made in that there desert, at least if you're well connected to the House of Bush. Yee Hah! War is Peace.

Who knows why Osama released the tape. Does he want some new exposure? Sure seems to have worked for him. When he pops up like this it's hard not to wonder why we haven't hunted him down yet. What's the reason? I know, it's because this war on terror stuff is hard work (smirk, smirk). I'm sure all the good little Bushlings have rationalized this particular failing of their leader somehow. So the decider has decided that this mass murderer,a sworn enemy of this country who has not only threatened US, but actually succeeded in making good his threats on several occasions, isn't worth hunting down and bringing to justice? No, he'd rather have your grandmother patted down at the airport and listen in on your phone calls. It would be laughable if it wasn't so insane.

BTW Steve, last year's election WAS about Iraq. IF you doubt that, wait until next year. The Dems need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done, even though personally I think they're too spineless to push for this even if they had the votes.

groucho, you haven't noticed, have you, that bin Laden alive and spouting tired Kos rhetoric via Adam Gadahn is far more useful to the Republicans than he is dead?

You just want him dead now because he is a constant reminder of what poor people the leftist anti-war crowd are.

Had bin Laden been killed at Tora Bora, it would be necessary to resuscitate him. Politicallly, he has become invaluable, and his cause shown to be the fantastic delusion that it fundamentally is. And you bought it, sucker.
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kim @ # 24... roflmao

"Who else supports him [Osama bin Laden] like the loony-tunes American Left these days?" -- Jim Addison

To defend your slander, Jim, either name the lefties who support Osama and describe how they support him, or SHUT THE [EXPLETIVE-DELETED] UP!!!

You see, Jim, your gall here is breathtaking. You write that we on the left are "the same folks who rail against the [invasion] of Afghanistan." Before you write crap like this, at least find out the proportion of congressional Democrats who voted against invading Afghanistan. What proportion was it, Jim?

Moreover, it was you Republicans who lost interest in bringing Osama been Forgotten to justice. There came a point where you preferred to go after those who didn't attack us on Sept 11th rather than those who did. Besides, all those Muslims are together in some sort of "Islamofascist" conspiracy against us, and Republicans simply don't do nuance, right, Jim?

Consequently, you didn't give a damn when the Idiot-in-Chief that you're responsible for had this to say about Osama: "I truly am not that concerned about him." (Bush, March 2002). This was one time where Bush spoke the truth, so Osama remains free to come out with new videos every now and then.

You did enjoy Osama's new video, didn't you, Jim?

So the decider has decided that this mass murderer,a sworn enemy of this country who has not only threatened US, but actually succeeded in making good his threats on several occasions, isn't worth hunting down and bringing to justice

I understand your dilemma, that being you have no choice but to repeat the spoon fed talking points otherwise you lose your good standing in the lefty circles. They are pretty brutal against dissent so I can show some empathy.

But I'm sure you are aware of where Afghanistan is located on a map. If not then Miss Teen South Carolina was originally correct, some people just don't have maps.

This I do know, it does not matter a hill of beans how many troops you pour into the Afghan-Pakistan border area. If you put 500,000 troops in there it doesn't change a thing in upgrading the chances of finding him there. Not to mention the resources needed logistically to move a force that big and supply them as they search by foot. (Refer to your map again)

The entire region is ambush alley.

My son who is serving in the 82nd Airborne Division is in Tora Bora this very moment. I've had one contact with him since they were deployed from Kandahar to that region. He was amazed at the vastness. Of course he is not the first to tell this to me first hand.

I don't expect anyone such as you to understand logistics or terrain. But American Forces and our allies are there now. Not finding him there in the vastness doesn't change the overall war on terror. He is one man who has been relinquished to "cave dweller" and is more of a symbol than an actual threat.

U.S. Hunts al-Qaida in Afghanistan

BAGRAMI, Afghanistan -- Hundreds of U.S.-led troops have launched an offensive against al-Qaida and Taliban militants in an area of eastern Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden once hid, officials said Wednesday.

Return to Bin Laden's Lair

Sept. 3, 2007 issue - One way or another, Afghanistan always comes to this: a group of men of varying degrees of fitness sweating up goat-steep mountainsides, wondering whether trouble will come from ahead, behind or above, and marveling at how anyone can fight in a place like this, in whatever war is going on at the time. The war against the Soviets, the wars between the warlords, the war of the Talibs, the Taliban vs. the Northern Alliance, the American invasion and, now, the apparently endless hunt for Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. In all this, one place, Tora Bora, played a starring role, and still does.

Nogo war, FDR began WWII by lying to the American public repeatedly about his intentions and his secret efforts to get us embroiled in the war. Great example.

Take a rest, Joe. I'm sure you're a little dizzy from all that spinning. The fact remains that we have let the worldwide figurehead of terror escape justice for 6 years. Ask yourself honestly, if you can, would you be so quick to explain away the same failure if a Democrat had been in charge since 9/11?

To be honest, with his references to the Freuer book, Noam Chomsky, global warming, and the recent election, he reminded me less of the Master of All Terror (TM Addison) and more of a politician who, speaking to a young crowd, tries to throw in cultural references to appear "cool" and "hip" and "with it," but just makes everybody uncomfortable.

A side note: In today's Washington Post Outlook section, Bruce Hoffman makes the case that Zawahiri, rather than Osama, is the real "Master of All Terror."

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groucho, if we'd killed bin Laden at Tora Bora, who would be around to so effectively demonstrate the conincidence of al Qaeda's doctrine, and that of the Democratic Party.

How did Rove get to young Adam Gadahn's teachers, lo, these many years ago?
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Take a rest, Joe. I'm sure you're a little dizzy from all that spinning

Then point out what I wrote that you took as spin and we can take it from there.

Or was that just another blanket statement from a leftie with no meaning just for the sake of saying anything to save some face.

would you be so quick to explain away the same failure if a Democrat had been in charge since 9/11?

One difference is I actually believed president Clinton and every Democrat that said Saddam was a threat during the 1990's.

So did every lefty. But somehow President Bush says the same thing and he's a liar, yet no lefties calling President Clinton a liar or all those Democrats. Gee, why is that?

As far as Afghanistan goes, there is no debate unless Al Gore was elected and reacted. You don't know what he would have done, neither do I except we have past actions of the Clinton / Gore administration to go by. Right now that is the only measurement of his reaction we can go by. That being the case, lobbing a couple Cruise missiles into Afghanistan is probably all we could expect.

Also would you blame Al Gore for 9-11 the same way you lefties blame President Bush? Especially the continuity of the two administrations.

I'll be back later this evening groucho, which will give you plenty of time to figure out what I'm spinning.

Later........