Wonder what would happen if this were happening under President Kerry. Would they be calling Petraeus a liar? Oh wait, that's right, he would've gotten us out of there by now and the world would be a better place for it.

There they go projecting again.

Read Ralph Peters in the New York Post today about how the Dems have already got the spin ready, and they haven't even heard Petraeus and Crocker yet. He calls Senator Schumer a 'Premature Iraqulator'.
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'Premature Iraqulator' - LOL

Giving freedom, and liberty to all (child predators)
Lifting the moral of (our enemies) fighters.
Shielding (illegal) immigrants (child rapers) so they can (murder more of our kids) and flourish in this country.
Exposing (national defense secrets) truths that must be exposed.
Building their hopes of political victory on (their own) nations defeat in war.
Refusing to meet with or even listen to Americas' military leaders while discounting them out of hand, but still having time to meet with and demand talks with the leaders of nations that commit acts of war against the US everyday.

Working for a sleazier, more cowardly America. We're the democraps! (Oh, and did we mention that we're the right hand of the a.c.l.u., you know, those lovely folks that fight 24/7 to provide more rights for child molesters, murderers, illegals, child-molesting illegals, illegal murderers, etc. etc., and on and on and on ? Oh, and we hate Christianity too and will fight to our last breaths to wipe out the scurge of horrors like a cross, on private property, in the middle of the desert for the sake of your right to enjoy life w/o having to know things like that exist while your raping your neighbors 5th grader.)

'Premature Iraqulator'.

Sometimes juvenile humor is so dang much fun. LOL.

And appropriate, too.

Of course, the cowardly Dem Senator can freely malign General Petraeus as much as he wants as long as it is done anonymously.

Liberals like to interjaculate into your freedoms.

The 'Betray Us' ad in the NYslimes is not a MoveOn ad. It is an ad spondored and paid for by the democrat leadership. But, they support the troops. I've been looking for a leader to stand up and say enough (civil war begins) and take over the government by force. Gen Petraeus is the man if he decides to do so. Coming to you in living red blood in 2009. 99 44/100% of the military will back him up.

We all know that a highly respected general, like a Colin Powell, for example, would never give misleading testimony about the situation in Iraq.

Powell was Sec of State when he made his statements. He was no longer an active duty general.

There's a difference.

Oh, because you think Colin Powell gave misleading testimony, that means Petraeus must be giving misleading testimony as well?

There's a nice leap of logic for you.

Ken,

Using lib logic, it means that since 1 Dem politician lied under oath(Klinton), and was was found by FBI taking bribes(Jefferson), and 1 aided and abetted the enemy(Hanoi John Kerry), they all are guilty of the same.

Well, I guess thats pretty much true anyway.

Colin Powell, the poor sucker, did not exaggerate the threat of Saddam, but he grew to believe he had. If that belief contributed to his opposition to our effort there, and the continuation of the war longer than it otherwise would have, then the blood of all those soldiers be upon him.

The warriors over there know about Colin, don't you worry about that.
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The military officer corps has forgotten more about honesty, integrety, and self-sacrifice than the sum of all our elected, former lawyer congressmen and senators, not to mention the retrobates from MoveOn ("Isn't Tony Snow dead yet?"). When an institution such as the military is reviled it's little wonder the opposition has such little knowledge about it's makeup, beliefs, history, and all things that comprise it.

All officers are lying, body-count inflating, self-promoting murderers who use their troops to do their bidding. It's real easy (and lazy) to embrace this view, tie it up with a string, and start screaming your fool head off. It fits your agenda so it's justified, truth be damned.

WAZZU Army ROTC Class of 1983
Proud classmate of Colonel John Charlton, Commander of Coalition Forces in Ramadi, and the man that's made it safer than New Orleans or Detroit.

Anti-American left Democrats (not all Dems are anti American) are so heavily invested in American defeat as opposed to an American victory which they see as a Bush or Republican victory they will do or say anything to insure defeat. I am suprised no group of citizens has taken up arms, gone to Washington and removed these traitors from office. Great nations fall from within, no because of outside forces. Our greatest enemy lives among us as the liberals who would destroy this nation from within.

"So, MoveOn.org, in effect, calls a highly respected general who was confirmed 81-0 by the U.S. Senate a traitor, but we can't question their patriotism?"

This site calls people traitors daily. Can you not spoon it in?

jp2, so you understand the difference between the U.S. Senate and this website? Is it a possiblity you belong in that catagory we call traitor here? After all, it is not the world that hates America it is the left that hates America.

What did the neoncons say about General Eric Shinseki?

Both sides have politicized the military and only a rare individual political activist will admit it.

Senator Tom Lantos calls General Petraeus a liar before he even opens his mouth.

Lieberman, stop the music. They are going to destroy your party, and we need it.
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So, MoveOn.org, in effect, calls a highly respected general who was confirmed 81-0 by the U.S. Senate a traitor

Your quote deserves a higher level of fisking. MoveOn is not calling him a traitor, they are implying a betraying to the troops under his command. Actually many of those in his command are not very happy with the "Princeton General" also known as the "Perfumed Prince" and the man in a combat zone who has the best pressed uniforms.

When you say "highly respected" you do mean "highly respected" among Republicans and neocons. There is a long list of Generals with equal confirmation support that you would quickly snipe are not "highly respected." Shall I start with retired General Wesley Clark whose book is now required reading at the Army's Command & General Staff College. How about a repeat of Eric Shinseki who was ridiculed by members of the Administration and neocons as someone who did not know how to plan for Iraq. How about Colin Powell who is frequently attacked on neocon blogs.

Members of the military that you agree with are "highly respected." Members of the military that agree with Moveon are "highly respected" by them.

"Senator Tom Lantos calls General Petraeus a liar before he even opens his mouth.

Once Petraeus was appointed to the position by the President he became simply another political appointee.

He is no different from that point forward than Secretary Gates, Secretary Rice or any other appointee.

The "members of the military that agree with MoveOn" are rather a tiny minority, principally consisting of aggrieved former officers. Wes Clark, you will recall, was FIRED as NATO commander only weeks before his term was scheduled to end - BY Clinton. Later, when Clark's retirement party was held at the Pentagon, neither Clinton nor his SecDef attended, even though both were in town at the time.

MoveOn even opposed the Afghanistan invasion, remember kids? Americans would be "coming back in TENS OF THOUSANDS of body bags," they said, because Afghanistan was "where Empires go to die." They were crying "quagmire" after only three weeks.

This is a reflexively anti-American organization, born and bred out of the far left. That so many elected Democrats feel they must kow-tow to such a nest of traitors is simply pathetic, but the public spotlight on their lack of decency is the best solution, sort of like switching on a light causes cockroaches to scatter.

So Guardsman, according to your logic George Patton was "simply another political appointee" of FDR's? And US Grant "another political appointee" of Lincoln's. That's sensible. I guess they were just never told by enlightened soldiers such as yourself.

btw, Shinseki was attacked more for being a weak leader than anything else. This view was prevelant throughout the senior Army officer corps at the time. Wanna know what the corps also thought of Wesley Clark???? Book at C&GS regardless. I'll be you don't.

jp2:

This site calls people traitors daily. Can you not spoon it in?

Do you see any "donkey logos" on this site? Have you seen this site actively as a group raise money for a political party like moveon?

Whoa, Joltin' Joe did exactly as I asked in my 1:33 comment. I don't have a link but his statement is a humdinger. And he charges the powerful in the Democratic Party with co-ordinating this message with Moveon.org.

Devastating.
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1:31 comment, instant.
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Fighting for Democracy in Iraq,

While bleeding America dry.

Fla Guard, fool, Clark was removed from command. Do you know what that does to a military career? David Petraeus wrote the book on counter isurgency fighting. Wesly Clark wrote a book about Wesley Clark. One question for you. Did you not have the intelligence to remain a Republican? In the state I live in, we only as that you love your country to be a Republican. Guess you would be a Dem here too.

Florida Guardsmen/Former Republican:

Actually many of those in his command are not very happy with the "Princeton General"...

And you know this how? You claim "many" how many is "many" and what are your sources?

There is a long list of Generals with equal confirmation support that you would quickly snipe are not "highly respected."

First of all not every member of the military are or have been "highly respected." But it would be instructive of you provide a list to see just who you might classify in the category.

However your inclusion of Clark may have tipped your hand. As Jim A points out he was summarily shit-canned by clinton for taking orders from clinton then turning around and telling NATO commanders something directly opposite of what he was ordered to do.

Clark is also the "highly respected" general who refused to denounce Michael Moore as he made despicable remarks about Bush as Clark was standing next to The Fat Man on the same stage.

I question your judgment on what "highly respected" really means.

"While bleeding America dry."

How, exactly?

civil's in a funk. The war in Iraq is over, and he doesn't know how to behave.
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I question your judgment on what "highly respected" really means.

The US Army Command & General Staff College considered GEN Clarks book to be extremely valuable in teaching senior officers. It is now a required text.

This commentary proves an important lesson. It is acceptable to smear members of the military that you disagree with politically. You do not love and appreciate the military. You only love the members of the military that you agree with.

I am a former Republican because I thought actions like that were beyond Republicans.

The Democrats are no better by the way.

The US Army Command & General Staff College considered GEN Clarks book to be extremely valuable in teaching senior officers. It is now a required text.

And so.....

How does that mitigate the fact he was fired for not following orders?

Today, Monday, September 10, 2007, US Army General David Petraeus, Commander of Multi National Forces - Iraq will be publicly persecuted by some members of the US Senate. Not all will join in the attacks, only those Senators more politically vicious and partisan will participate. They will be the same Senators who only months ago voted unanimously to appoint General Petraeus to run the Iraq war. Remember this is the war that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) recently told American troops and their families, "We have already lost." That statement creates a major problem for defeatist Senate Democrats, like Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), Ted Kennedy & John Kerry (D- Massachusetts), and Hillary Clinton (D-New York), who claimed Democrats were swept into power in the election of 2006 because the American people were tired of the war. The change of strategy or "Surge" that General Petraeus developed and implemented is showing positive signs that we can actually win this struggle. Instead Democrats attack General Petraeus' report as untruthful, misrepresenting the facts, manipulating and/or "cherry picking the numbers." All this before General Petraeus even delivers his report to Congress.

As they say... read the rest.

Guardsman, see FM 3-24 "Counterinsurgency Field Manual". Patraeus wrote mauch of it and is the father of the current Counterinsurgency Field Doctrine used by the