Here's a little exercise in comparing and contrasting.
MoveOn.org's attack on General Petraeus, even before he had said one word before Congress:
General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts. In 2004, just before the election, he said there was "tangible progress" in Iraq and that "Iraqi leaders are stepping forward." And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq, said, "We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress."Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed. Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. That's because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs don't count. The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if you're shot in the back of the head -- not the front. According to the Associated
Press, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer we've been there. We'll hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we won't hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war. We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops. But we won't hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.
Today, before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.
John Kerry, on the MoveOn.org advertisement:
"over the top..." "I don't like any kind of characterizations in our politics that call into question any active duty, distinguished general who I think under any circumstances serves with the best interests of our country..." "I think there are a lot of legitimate questions that need to be asked, a lot of probing that ought to take place; there's a lot of legitimate accountability that needs to be achieved. It ought to be done without casting any aspersions on anyone's character or motives..."
John Kerry, testifying before Congress in 1971:
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
The more things change, the more things stay the same...
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This traitor and fraud sh... (Below threshold)1. Posted by RobLACal | September 12, 2007 11:27 AM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
This traitor and fraud should have been executed 30 years ago. We pay the price everyday this asshole consumes oxygen.
1. Posted by RobLACal | September 12, 2007 11:27 AM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 11:27
2. Posted by yo | September 12, 2007 11:35 AM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Wait, John Kerry was for smearing someone before he was against it?
Color me chocked.
2. Posted by yo | September 12, 2007 11:35 AM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 11:35
3. Posted by Boyd![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://wizbangblog.com/nav-commenters.gif)
| September 12, 2007 11:50 AM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
I know it's not fashionable for a conservo-libertarian to defend the likes of John Kerry, but even I reserve the right to be smarter today than I was yesterday.
Sen. Kerry said the same thing about MoveOn's ad that I would have said in his position. So I'll give him credit for that.
3. Posted by Boyd![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://wizbangblog.com/nav-commenters.gif)
| September 12, 2007 11:50 AM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 11:50
4. Posted by RobLACal | September 12, 2007 12:24 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
That non-apology apology? Why didn't he mention the name of the culprit , Moveon?
Then actually apologize to General Petraeus for the despicable smear against him?
This jackass deserves to be hung , not defended , ever.
4. Posted by RobLACal | September 12, 2007 12:24 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 12:24
5. Posted by kbiel | September 12, 2007 12:26 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Nuance Jay, it's nuance. See, Kerry wasn't smearing officers (probably because he was one) in 1971, he was smearing the grunts and noncoms.
5. Posted by kbiel | September 12, 2007 12:26 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 12:26
6. Posted by mantis | September 12, 2007 12:41 PM | Score: 0 (8 votes cast)
Why didn't he mention the name of the culprit , Moveon?
Why didn't you mention his name?!!!1! You just said "he"; you could be talking about anyone!
Kerry was asked specifically about the ad by CNN, who titled the piece: Kerry: MoveOn.org is 'over the top'.
There's no confusion what he was talking about, except maybe in your addled brain.
6. Posted by mantis | September 12, 2007 12:41 PM |
Score: 0 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 12:41
7. Posted by Veeshir | September 12, 2007 1:02 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
You want to really have some fun? Read Kerry's questioning of Petraeus. He says something about untrue testimony from the generals during the Vietnam war.
I'm fairly impressed Petraeus didn't mention some other lies during Congressional testimony that really were lies, not the "lies" that the left claims the generals made but never can prove.
He wasn't the only one to make that comparison, but considering his Winter Soldier testimony, you would think he would have the decency to not slyly accuse this general of lying.
7. Posted by Veeshir | September 12, 2007 1:02 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 13:02
8. Posted by Clay | September 12, 2007 1:09 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
I wish that Kerry would apologize for what he said in 1971, but I think it would take a bigger man than him to overcome the firestorm such an apology would create. That said, I am willing to give him credit for what he said about the Moveon advertisement. It's not easy for a Democrat to speak against the fringe these days. That is, if Moveon can still be reagrded as the fringe.
8. Posted by Clay | September 12, 2007 1:09 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 13:09
9. Posted by Jim Addison | September 12, 2007 1:24 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
John Kerry . . . John Kerry . . .
Didn't he used to BE somebody?
Oh, no - that was "Kennedy," wasn't it. Names just sound a bit alike.
Never mind.
9. Posted by Jim Addison | September 12, 2007 1:24 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 13:24
10. Posted by Robert | September 12, 2007 3:20 PM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
MoveOn felt Patraeus would betray the trust placed in him by not giving an honest and open report on the escalation.
How dare they be so correct.
10. Posted by Robert | September 12, 2007 3:20 PM |
Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 15:20
11. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | September 12, 2007 3:31 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Moveon is despicable and Stalinist . They are willing to lie/smear a good man like Gen. Petreaus
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/contentions/index.php/boot/914#more-914
Unfortunately, Moveon "owns" the dem party now. I don't know why any decent and informed American would want to support the modern Dem party, much less a vile org like MoveOn.
11. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | September 12, 2007 3:31 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 15:31
12. Posted by ODA315 | September 12, 2007 4:13 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Your absolutely right Robert.
Now, beings as how you're "in the know" and such a fucking military genius, what's REALLY happening over there?
Another tinfoilhat meatstick.
12. Posted by ODA315 | September 12, 2007 4:13 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 16:13
13. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | September 12, 2007 5:02 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Ralph Peter on Moveon
Having seen MoveOn attack legislators who dared to deviate from its party line, Democrats are terrified of offending the Internet's "Ministry of Truth." But how can politicians who lack the courage to stand up to a pack of e-thugs be expected to lead our country in these perilous times? New York's Sen. Hillary Clinton projects an image of strength and resolution; will she condemn MoveOn's personal attack on Petraeus? Hasn't a single Democrat got the guts and decency to say, "Enough!"?
13. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | September 12, 2007 5:02 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 17:02
14. Posted by Herman | September 12, 2007 6:20 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
John Kerry speaking in 1971: "They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."
Yep, all this is completely consistent with what the American military did at a place called My Lai (heck, it was even worse at My Lai). That other Kerrey, Bob, is lucky he was never charged as a war criminal.
14. Posted by Herman | September 12, 2007 6:20 PM |
Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 18:20
15. Posted by Scrapiron | September 12, 2007 7:06 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Herman, My Lai was a joke put out by the same dumb a** democrats in congress today. Someone killed someone and someone went to prison. 99% of My Lia was hype from the likes of Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John Kerry for consumption by the weak minded. Do you accept your part of the blood of millions in Southeast Asia at the hands of Hanoi Jane/John's friendly communist? It's on your hands. like it or not. I'll bet you worry more about the less than 3800 Americans killed in a war to protect you dumb a** than you do about the 48,000 Americans killed by criminal Mexicans for fun in the same time period. I see you blasting the American military, where is the outrage about the murdering Mexicans. MoveOn.org bought, owns and controls the dimwit party and the actual leader of MoveOn (Marxist) is a convicted criminal wanted in France, who would like to get their hands on him to retrieve some of the stolen money he's using to finance the dimwits. Now we have the dimwit party in the pocket of the Chinese (ChiCom) again (Shu), if they every got out of the pocket. The entire dimwit party is now worse than the mafia.
15. Posted by Scrapiron | September 12, 2007 7:06 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 19:06
16. Posted by kim | September 12, 2007 10:51 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
I agree with Clay, and I have had a very poor opinion of Kerry. It just went up a little. No other Democrat but Lieberman has condemned the ad.
Bravo. Give the man a medal.
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16. Posted by kim | September 12, 2007 10:51 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 12, 2007 22:51