Way to go Girl!

Any Troll who wants to dis her words will be on my s-hit list.

epador, were you shouting "way to go!" for Kevin Tillman also? Or do you only cheer those with relatives killed in the war when they voice an opinion that you share?

Life of Brian =

Another Left-handed Smoke Shifter.

No epador - he's a classless fuckin asshole.

It's WAY past time to use Thor's Hammer on this dickweed.

I had a few precious hours in D model of the F-16 at Luke not so long ago. I think I can cheer a fast-mover's widow from there calling out the media better than you can try to tag along on on the public grief of the famous victim of friendly-fire, Brian.

Unfortunately she'd probably get farther by breaking down into hysterics, sobbing, screaming, and egging the front doors of the places she feels misused video of her husband.

That's something even Brian can respect.

Then she can go live in a ditch to really get her point across.

*sigh* I'm glad I'm on *this* side.

They should put those in the media who would show such a tape in a plane crash and video them. Let's watch their reactions.

Curious and totally random observation. In recent discussions about the intrinsic non-violence of mothers (not) someone made a comment something like... men are made to be expendable (in an evolutionary sense, they do the risky jobs) to protect the next generation while women must survive to guard the children and make sure they grow up. (Which is why focused women can be so ruthless and yes, violent.)

As tragic as Major Gilbert's death is, I'm filled with joy to know that he had five children. Our culture tends to see children as an indulgence rather than a purpose and a joy. I'm willing to bet Troy and Ginger view children as a purpose and a joy. And I'm willing to bet that her obvious strength comes from that purpose.

I think the saddest thing is when a warrior dies without having children. Maybe I have something in common with the Spartans, who supposedly only sent fathers of sons in that group of 300, because it seems instinctively right to me.

And it seems to me that the fierce defenders are those who have more children and the anti-war agitators are those who who generally have fewer, and who are shocked and disapproving when they see Ginger with her brood (I only have four... I *know* how people react to Ginger.)

Maybe it's about winning something better for the next generation and without that generation the sacrifice seems worthless.

Synova -
Your comment is moving and, I think, right on target.

Wow, a simple question, and you can't even answer it honestly. Says a lot.

The line of outstanding Americans like Mrs. Gilbert, Gen. Patraeus, the President and Vice President, everyone serving in uniform etc. will continue to grow until it circles the country a thousand times, until and unless the self-hating scum that beckons our enemy to slaughter more of our best, because it fits their agenda like a glove, is finally shut down and shut up.

If you think what they did to Mrs. Gilbert is just as legitimate as the people who are trying to help us win this war against islamo-nazism, you are not just a fool, but you are dangerous. To think that chosing sides (like, oh say, YOUR OWN) during a time of war is narrow minded, or that nationalism is bad, is to be a non-American, an "anti-American", if you will. You should not live here. If you think your country should lose a war - BY DESIGN- because you disaprove of it (the war OR the country), then you don't deserve to be a part of that country.

Please leave us, all of you biggoted (towards innocent freedom lovers), racist (these are some 25 million non-whites we are helping that you want to betray and feed to the wolves), sexist (your efforts will lead to the mutilation, torture, death and total submission to the will of men, of millions of women who now vote AND run for office to affect their own destiny), homophobes (do I really need to explain this one ?). For that matter, you've already left the human race, so why don't you just devolve back to the apes that you must certainly commune with on a regular basis, judging by some of the hateful, irrational, thoughtless and destructive conclusions that you come to in the form of mindless, tire swinging, knuckle dragging, poo flinging rants on this here blog.

In lieu of that, do ya think you could look up the word, HUMILITY, or, SHAME ? How about, GRATITUDE? Ironic, that those who whine so vociferously about hearings (from 50 years ago) to find communist infiltrators, are now the ones who "have no shame", isn't it ?

Brian:

Wow, a simple question, and you can't even answer it honestly. Says a lot.

I think you missed the point - fuck you

well said marc!!!

Brian:
Wow, a simple post, and you can't even respond to it honestly. Says a lot.

Yet another example of the lefties proving they have no love or respect for our troops. And Brian, what marc said. ww

1) Brian posed an inappropriate and misleading question - a derivative of the chicken-hawk attack
2) Only takes a little bit of intelligence to infer an answer from my words, however that's a property obviously lacking in Brian's case
3) Damn right I cheer those who champion truth and sanity over those who are confused, who use emotion to confuse others and argue their twisted point of view.
4) Brian, you make a very useful example of the latter sad examples of human life, so far the only redeeming point of your existence in this thread or life in general that I can see.

Or do you only cheer those with relatives killed in the war when they voice an opinion that you share?

And you?

Wow Brian,

Even on an article like this, you had to do the "yeah, but look over here" routine...

...again.

Congrats. Douchebaggery at its best.

Wow. Bravo, and bravo again. I think it is safe to say that her coming forward and giving that press conference was remarkably difficult for her, given that it was her own dead husband that the media was using for their own goals and purposes. We need more women, wives, and girlfriends like her on the homefronts, to offset the despicable stupidity of the half-wits out there, and hopefully this woman's bravery will inspire others.

Additionally, it is about damned time that someone calls it as it is - the media aiding and abetting those who would kill and wound our soldiers, and our civilians if they are given the chance. Maybe people will start paying a little more attention to how the media is predominantly not on our side...

Brian:

I think you missed the point - fuck you

What a well-reasoned post, marc. Tell us, which web site did you copy that from without attribution?

1) Brian posed an inappropriate and misleading question

Oh? I asked if you would equally cheer the relative of a war casualty who spoke against the war as for the war. What's inappropriate and misleading about that? And why can you not answer?

And you?

I cheer anyone who suffered a tragedy resulting from this war and who uses public comment to help make sense of their loss.

And you?

And if you still can't understand my answer Brian, then I won't do more than pity you. However if you do and continue to try to bait and divert this thread from its initial topic to your perverted sense of reality, then you continue to reveal the slime of the outhouse you really are.

I asked if you would equally cheer the relative of a war casualty who spoke against the war as for the war.

Of course, I can't honestly say that I would cheer Kevin Tillman, as you are apparently unable to cheer Ginger Gilbert. But, I totally accept his right to speak freely (a freedom for which every uniformed man and woman is fighting to uphold), and I would fight for his right. The problem is the duplicity that is witnessed by the fact that it is much easier for the anti-war opinion to find a voice. Why are you attempting to detract from what Ginger Gilbert is saying? Does she have less a voice than Kevin Tillman? If not, than why not let her have her say? Why are you so afraid of what she has to say?

I cheer anyone who suffered a tragedy resulting from this war and who uses public comment to help make sense of their loss.

Then why aren't you doing it? Why are you trying to shift focus away from her?

Clay:

Then why aren't you doing it? Why are you trying to shift focus away from her?

Because Brain enjoys his role as he parades around wizbang wearing a condom on his head.

That's the good part it makes it obvious he's a dickhead, but we still have to tolerate his childish thread diversions and feigned outrage when accused of it.

However if you do and continue to try to bait and divert this thread from its initial topic to your perverted sense of reality, then you continue to reveal the slime of the outhouse you really are.

A simple question about your feelings towards the brother of a dead war hero, and you respond with non-answers, hate, and venom. No need for you to answer anymore. It's now clear where you stand.

My feelings are as clear as your agenda.

Of course, I can't honestly say that I would cheer Kevin Tillman, as you are apparently unable to cheer Ginger Gilbert. But, I totally accept his right to speak freely (a freedom for which every uniformed man and woman is fighting to uphold), and I would fight for his right.

I appreciate your reasoned answer, one that others apparently don't have the courage to give.

Does she have less a voice than Kevin Tillman?

Nope.

If not, than why not let her have her say?

I never said she shouldn't.

Why are you so afraid of what she has to say?

I'm not. I simply asked the same about what Kevin Tillman has to say.

My feelings are as clear as your agenda.

To those not blinded by hate, indeed they are.

I'm not. I simply asked the same about what Kevin Tillman has to say.

Now you're being dishonest. The thread is about Ginger Gilbert. However, you deliberately chose not to discuss her. Kevin Tillman is relevant in context. But, here, on this thread Kevin Tillman is nothing but a subterfuge. You purposefully chose to detract from Ms. Gilbert. I think she is entitled to know why. Why would you do that?

Brian:

It's now clear where you stand.

It took you two hours to figure that out?

Brain is most certainly being dishonest as he is *certainly* not cheering Mrs. Gilbert and is, demonstrably, trying to distract from her. Simply because Brian doesn't like what she has to say. Yet he'll demand a standard from others that he does not even attempt to apply to himself.

Brian:

Why would you purposely divert attention from Troy Gilbert's widow? How unbalanced are you that you would be so hurtful?

I believe someone on this thread has either confused disgust, revulsion and distaste for hate, or again is purely cognizant of his disingenuous behavior and is foolish enough to continue the sad behavior for whatever delusion of grandeur it provides him.

Sadly, he gains an ego boost each time his name is mentioned.

Now as far as the original thread goes, I cheer and support those who stand for truth against the machinations of the media and our enemies. He who will not be named wonders not innocently, whether I would cheer someone, whoever how sadly motivated, chooses to perceive things in a different light. Obviously I do not, and though I certainly support anyone's right to state their opinions, I also cherish my right to cheer who I choose, and not who others feel I should. I am not going to spend one iota of effort criticizing the statements of a mourning sibling. Nor to I criticize anyone for having an opinion that supports his feelings. I equally criticize those with a political, economic or treasonous motivations would manipulate the death of any US warrior to a purpose far removed from that warrior's ideals, efforts and accomplishments.

I have been trying to avoid comparing the two bereaved, as I don't think that's a fair use of either of their statements in a battle of those who support the war vs those who do not. He who I will not named further seems to believe otherwise. I believe Ginger's statements are strong, clear, poignant and relevant. Kevin's speak to a different audience and purpose. I agree with her. Whether I agree with him or not does not affect my support of her statements. Those, like he who I will not name further, are deluded into thinking that by setting up such disingenuous questions they can defuse or detract from her position, or those that cheer her on. Instead they simply reveal themselves for the slime that they are, invite disgust and revulsion, and detract from whatever legitimacy there may ever have been to their argument.

epador,

Very well said. I will choose who I cheer as well. My thoughts and prayers are with Ms. Gilbert and her children. I pray that Troy Gilbert's children will know that their father was a true American hero.

I wonder if he who I will not name further even knows where to find a Left-Handed Smoke Shifter? Perhaps he should go and not return until he has found one...

Please remind me why this despicable Brian isn't banned?