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Antiwar Left yanks leash on Harry Reid

Poor Harry Reid. After a career of accommodating the Vegas mob and ensuring jobs, prime investments, and contracts for his family and friends, he rises to Majority Leader in the Senate. Just when he begins to bask in his importance, his masters on the left call him to heel and demonstrate his impotence. Ryan Grim reports for The Politico:


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) abruptly reversed plans to compromise over Iraq legislation with Republicans after a meeting in New York where antiwar leaders pressured him to be more aggressive in ending the war.

The meeting on Monday, which was not publicly announced, showed the acute pressure that Democrats face as they try to convince this increasingly restive group that Democrats are doing everything they can to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq more quickly than President Bush wants.

* * * * *

The Reid mission reflected the paradox bedeviling the anti-war movement. It is powerful enough to command constant care-and-feeding by the Democratic Party's presidential candidates and congressional leaders. But so far it has proven largely impotent in forcing policy changes. But Democrats are now starting to do more than just patronize the movement, as Reid indicated Tuesday.

If Reid stands firm to his Tuesday pledge, he may begin to satisfy an increasingly impatient anti-war movement. Five years after the congressional vote authorizing Bush's march to war, opponents still have had only mixed success in mobilizing a mass protest movement.


Read it all at the above link. The idea of the spineless Reid "standing firm" is pretty funny, but the consequences of his being called upon the carpet are deadly serious. As John McCain said the other day about Hillary Clinton and the MoveOn ad attacking General Petraeus, "If you're not tough enough to repudiate a scurrilous, outrageous attack such as that, then I don't know how you're tough enough to be President of the United States."

Similarly, if you have to kow-tow to a bunch of fanatics who lust for America's defeat, you aren't tough enough to serve in the United States Senate. Reid should retire on his ill-gotten gains and leave the leadership to those with the heart and spine to lead.


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<a href="http://www.fileden... (Below threshold)
elmo:

Y'all Chickenhawks to Me - by Elmo (MP3)

(If you have trouble with the link right click and "save target as")

New analysis from the most ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

New analysis from the most recent Gallup national survey pf 1,010 adults (conducted 9/14 through 9/16) finds:

* 33% think the U.S. will "definitely" or "probably" win the war in Iraq;" 64% don't think the U.S. will win. "These figures are virtually unchanged from the previous poll, conducted Sept. 7-8."

This poll demonstrates that most Americans were not persuaded by last weeks dog and pony show.
Given that win has now been given by Bush as a functioning Iraqi Govt...most Americans believe we have lost..
They did not need moveon to make their decision.
In their own way they are too aware of the reality.
http://icasualties.org/oif/

And yet, in the fall of 200... (Below threshold)

And yet, in the fall of 2002, an overwhelming majority of Americans favored the invasion of Iraq. So, nogo, do you agree therefore invading was the RIGHT thing to do, or do you only find those polls dispositive when they affirm your personal point of view?

Someone ought to slap BOTH of your faces . . .

was the lease attached to a... (Below threshold)
bill-tb:

was the lease attached to a choke chain? Maybe, just maybe, they will tighten it up.

Gallup (Democrat)polls for wars, who would have thought. You vote for a war, send out the troops and then take a poll to see when you tell the enemy " we surrender". And what exactly do we then expect the enemy will do?

The morality of sending troops to war then saying just kidding" -- Now that I would like to see explained. Wasn't Ms Hillary so eloquent on the Senate floor ...

"And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed." September 10, 2002.

Hillary exhibited such conviction, she should be honored for finding out on her own that Saddam Husein had WMDs.

Polls shmolls...you can con... (Below threshold)
moseby:

Polls shmolls...you can conduct polls until you are blue in the face and the mission in Iraq will go on and there will only be troop reductions at the discretion of the President because you sissy liberals have the illusion of power that we conservatives give you.

Nogo Reality, if the consti... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Nogo Reality, if the constituency is sooooo against the war and convinced we've lost, why hasn't congress pulled the funding????

ahahhha, weellll, aahhhaahh,

AS if the music industry di... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

AS if the music industry didn't bring us enough hacks infected with BDS...
Leave the song parodies to someone funny and talented, 'elmo'

ODA, you ask Nogo a good qu... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

ODA, you ask Nogo a good question. And the reason the Democrats have not pulled the funding is because they know as well that these polls are meaningless.

Nice and sweet that Dennis ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Nice and sweet that Dennis Kucinich was having tea with the son of the Butcher of Hama while Israeli jets were destroying a North Korean nuclear facility in Syria.
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This poll demonstr... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
This poll demonstrates that most Americans were not persuaded by last weeks dog and pony show.

It shows no such thing. What it shows is your childlike gullibility in believing polls.

Hey, I just conducted a poll over at Wizbang Blue... and got results that support your opinion even better! Why not use that one?

I can still recall Reid's a... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

I can still recall Reid's announcement (think Mickey Mouse's voice): "We've killed the Patriot Act." The RNC should play that (and other insane democrat pronouncements) over and over....

* 33% think the U.S. will "... (Below threshold)
engineer:

* 33% think the U.S. will "definitely" or "probably" win the war in Iraq;" 64% don't think the U.S. will win. "These figures are virtually unchanged from the previous poll, conducted Sept. 7-8."

To get to the 64%, you have to add in all those who responded that the US can win, but probably won't (23%) These are the realists who see that if the Democrats get more power, they will make sure we lose.

So i could easily have stated that 55% of those polled say that we can win the war. It all boils down to where you lump the large mass in the middle at.

Take for instance, from the same poll, "Is the surge making things better or not?"

Better - 35%
Not much change - 43%
Worse - 21%
No answer - 1%

It already has been spun that 64% say the surge isn't working. I could just as easily state that on 21% say the surge isn't working.

I guess the 43% in the middle is torn over the conflicting reports that they hear, and/or they frankly don't know or give a damn.

It already has been spun... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It already has been spun that 64% say the surge isn't working. I could just as easily state that on 21% say the surge isn't working.

No you can't. If the point of the surge was to implement positive change, than "not much change" means it's not working. So it's entirely proper to combine "not much change" and "worse" into "not working".

What you could do is dissect a claim that "65% say the surge is not making things better", and point out the "not much change" contingent is a large part of that. And even claim that "79% say the surge is not making things worse", which would, however, suffer from the same issue.

So, nogo, do you agree t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

So, nogo, do you agree therefore invading was the RIGHT thing to do

If the Secretary of Defense doesn't know if invading was the right thing to do, how do you expect anyone else to?

I asked him whether invading Iraq was a good idea, knowing what we know now. He looked at me for a bit and said, "I don't know."
Let me make it easy for you... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Let me make it easy for you guys (Brian and nogo . . . especially since nogo is stuck now advocating that what Americans want is the thing to do.

Was invading Iraq the right thing to do?

Hint: Hell Yes.

Looks like the anti-war lef... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Looks like the anti-war left, and their stooge Harry Reid, is the one steadfast ally of AlQ. Even some of former supporters in the Muslim world have condemned AlQ and called on them to stop the violence. But the antiwar left seems to want AlQ to wreak more havoc in Iraq

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2007/09/collateral-damage-and-war-of-ideas.html

A prominent Saudi cleric once praised by Osama bin Laden has published an open letter condemning Al Qaeda's violence.

The antiwar left and their ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The antiwar left and their stooges like Reid, Murtha, Pelosi ... have been wiiling to contribute to the anti-American lies

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001517.html
"We hand out care packages from the U.S. to Iraqis now that the area has been cleared of terrorists," one Marine told me. "When we tell them that some of these packages aren't from the military or the government, that they were donated by average American citizens in places like Kansas, people choke up and sometimes even cry. They just can't comprehend it. It is so different from the lies they were told about us and how we're supposed to be evil."

Nobody should listen to tha... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Nobody should listen to that fringe majority who want our troops to come home and stop occupying Iraq.

Right Publicus,And... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Right Publicus,

And we should call liar a decorated general and deny our current success.

But why are we doing that again? I forgot, BDR.

As NOGO has gone AWOL, mayb... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

As NOGO has gone AWOL, maybe a lefty prognosticator such as Pubicus can answer "why won't congress pull the war funding" if the "majority" want us to stop occupying Iraq and come home?

The american people (who you libs are ALWAYS speaking for) didn't agree with your open borders bill, and shut down the DC switchboards in dissatisfaction. Now why haven't they done that about the war you and your ilk so strongly believe the public is so vehemently against? hmmmmmm truely a mistery.

Oh, and let's not forget your congress' new rating of 11% amonst those american people you all speak for, lololol. Dropped a good 25% since your pals Hillary etal called General Patraeus a liar. Smart move. Yeah, I can see where the american people are firmly behind you......

Was invading Iraq the ri... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Was invading Iraq the right thing to do?
Hint: Hell Yes.

Wow, you know better than our very own Bush-appointed SecDef!

Brian cannot stop being dis... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian cannot stop being dishonest! That is his nature. He didn't honestly address the arg. He is another example of the vile anti-war left.

Brian cannot stop being ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian cannot stop being dishonest!

You mean Gates didn't say what he is quoted as saying? Source, please. Otherwise, you're a liar.

Brian, Did you try ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian,
Did you try to address Neh 's arg here?
Let me make it easy for you guys (Brian and nogo . . . especially since nogo is stuck now advocating that what Americans want is the thing to do.

No, you resort to your trademark dishonest distraction tactic. You are acting like a shameless propagandist on behalf of the vile anti-war left (and their ally of convenience AlQ). I am surprised at the level of your shamelessness. Your dishonesty was pointed out the other thread. And you just moved on to another lie and distraction. You are a perfect example of the vile anti-war left.


http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/09/18/ginger-gilberts-message-to-the-media.php#comments


Did you try to address N... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Did you try to address Neh 's arg here?
>Let me make it easy for you guys...

Yes, I did. But "let me make it easy for you guys" wasn't his argument, it was just the introductory sentence to his argument. His argument was that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. And that's what I addressed.

Are you stupid as well as a liar?

We are still waiting for your source to contradict what Gates is reported to have said.

Brian, Are you inte... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian,
Are you intentionally dense here? Here is Neh 's arg

nogo is stuck now advocating that what Americans want is the thing to do.

ie by using polls to justify his and your position. Now try to run speak on both sides of your mouth like the vile anti-war left? Why are you acting like a shameless propagandist as pointed out here?
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/09/18/ginger-gilberts-message-to-the-media.php#comments

For reference, here is what... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

For reference, here is what pointed out in the other thread about Brian. And he is doing exactly the same thing here

Now you're being dishonest. The thread is about Ginger Gilbert. However, you deliberately chose not to discuss her. Kevin Tillman is relevant in context. But, here, on this thread Kevin Tillman is nothing but a subterfuge. You purposefully chose to detract from Ms. Gilbert. I think she is entitled to know why. Why would you do that?


Brian:
Why would you purposely divert attention from Troy Gilbert's widow? How unbalanced are you that you would be so hurtful?

You can expect them to be h... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

You can expect them to be holding his leash you can reconise their foul stench from a space sector away

Brian,Are you int... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian,
Are you intentionally dense here? Here is Neh 's arg
>nogo is stuck now advocating that...

Uh, LAI... My name is Brian, not nogo. You need to go back on your meds.

Now then. We are still waiting for your source to contradict what Gates is reported to have said.

Brian believes that if he c... (Below threshold)
k:

Brian believes that if he can convince you with his startling rhetoric, that we can still lose the War in Iraq.

News, son. The war in Iraq is over. We won. So did the Iraqis. The Dhimmicrats lost. Again.
================================

Brian, You are stil... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian,
You are still acting like a shameless propagandist by avoiding to address Neh 'a arg. Until you address his arg about polls, which you yourself have repeatedly used, you are a proven dishonest, shameless spinner as shown here already.

actually, my argument is th... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

actually, my argument is that Brian's a p*ssy.

By the way, using his own logic: Brian, you certainly seem certain that freeing Iraq was not the right thing to do. You know more than our own SecDef!

Brian, While I personally t... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Brian, While I personally think that invading Iraq was the right thing, let's see where your logic takes us.
Since the Sec Def doesn't know if invading Iraq was the right thing, nobody could.

Since that also means that he doesn't know if it was a bad idea, people who claim that it was a bad idea are obviously wrong too. After all, if the Sec Def isn't sure, how could they be?
So will you Brian, since you seem to think that quote means something, admit that you can't know if the invastion was a bad thing?
Sorry, I just like to make myself laugh.
But that question isn't really relevant. The relevant question is, "Now that we've invaded Iraq, where do we go?"

Children can try to pretend that if we just leave it'll be just like if we never went. Adults understand that actions have consequences.

I will say that if we run away that will be far worse than if we had never gone in. We will be shown to be the paper tiger that Osama said we were when he executed 9/11. We'll be shown to be not dangerous to our enemies and feckless to out allies. It will show that the only thing America stands for is, "What will give me the most pleasure right NOW."

What your attitude does, Brian, is put you squarely on the side of people who refuse to admit that actions have consequences and that our decision to go to war meant that we would be involved in a war.




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