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BDS - The Obsession and the LefTrolls

Neither President Bush nor Vice-President Cheney are running for any office next fall; indeed no one in the Bush White House has expressed a desire to be the nation's next President or a Senator or Congressman. Yet the leading Democrats are all running against President Bush, as if he were the GOP's nominee. Hillary Clinton leads the pack, and acts as if it were the 2004 election again, not 2008.

And the Left's mob of frenzied trolls shows the same confused devotion to the President. One recent example is the protest against the tasering of a Leftist student who disrupted an appearance by Senator Kerry. A student newspaper, after weighing all the evidence and considering the circumstances, chose to reference the event with a profane insult directed at President Bush.

Should we even mention the continued 24/7 obsession with President Bush at the Daily Kos (literally millions of references and counting) and MoveOn.org (will they get mad if I say 'ditto' to the previous mention about millions of references? Probably, they get mad a lot these days)? Somewhere, even Alex Forrest is thinking these people are a bit over the top.

Back in 2003, Dr, Charles Krauthammer, a psychologist and graduate of the Harvard Medical School, came up with the term, 'Bush Derangement Syndrome'. Dr. Krauthammer's name for the disorder is much more clinical than the one I proposed a little later, the Aluminati, and addresses the demographic as a whole while I referenced the political aspects alone, but you get the idea, I think. What I referenced as a "cottage industry" for the Left, though, has now become mainstream and a full-blown compulsion.

But the clock is running, and surely even the tightest strait-coat Liberal has realized that he will have to get used to a world without Dubya to hate? Well, maybe not. I can just see these chuckleheads trying to impeach President Bush retroactively, or else demanding we dig up Saddam's rotted corpse and apologize to it for deposing the dictator. Or maybe this is some weird plan to run against a man who is not even running, so that when the Republican wins the White House again the Donk candidate can scream 'Not fair! I was campaigning against Bush, so you have to run him!' Shewt, they're so detached from Reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Shrewery and Obambi were counting on winning all the Electoral Votes from "Second Life". But I do wonder about what will happen, when all these trolls suddenly find themselves without a target for their venom and spittle? Will they then look in the mirror, realize that the opposite sex has a thing for hygiene and people whose education reached a double-digit grade level, and that the key to financial success is hard work and personal diligence? No, that seems to be largely a Conservative epiphany, more's the pity. The worst of them will probably prove short-lived contestants in the Darwin Awards competition, but while we can hope that some of the rest may finally follow through on old promises and clear out, I am afraid that the majority will simply find new mischief. Anyone named "Bush" is likely to be stalked and verbally molested, and Rudy or Romney may well find media types referring to them as "Mister Bush" for a while. A certain amount of demented gibbering must also be expected, but as all communications from the LefTrolls have been like that, only normal precautions need to be taken; hand sanitizers in case of physical contact and the exclusion of CNN or CBS news from available television channels; let the V-Chip protect the kids. In the event that - as they often do - the LefTrolls take their cue from Hollywood and the video games, uninfected people should be safe as long as they stay away from the West Coast and areas known to be frequented by Al Sharpton and/or John Kerry.

No one knows for sure what the exit of President Bush will do to the LefTrolls, but it is clear that as he is their reason for being, their focus of identity, the chaos which ensues after his departure back to private life will be devastating.


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After an eight-year adminis... (Below threshold)
pennywit:

After an eight-year administration, the opposing candidate nearly always runs against the incumbent, even if he only does so in code. Nothing wrong with that, BTW.


--|PW|--

We all know none of the Rep... (Below threshold)
mantis:

We all know none of the Republicans ran against Clinton in the 2000 primaries, right DJ?

Btw, are you trying to be funny in this post? Don't.

Well then, Pannywit, it wou... (Below threshold)

Well then, Pannywit, it would be just as logical to bring up everything Bill Clinton ever did, hmm?

Then the Donks can dig up Nixon again, the Republicans can exhume LBJ, and we're off on a wistful where have all the good villains gone nostalgia show, instead of actually presenting and debating actual positions and policies for how they would actually govern as President?

I think not.

PW,That's true, bu... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

PW,

That's true, but you're not quite realizing the severity of the disorder called BDS.

It is evident in groups like the "truthers" and even here in Wizbang you see FreedomFries and BarneyG who very nearly wish to trade the soul of every man/woman/child if they could have the President's head on a platter. These people are literally and clinically psychotic.

Well then, Pannywi... (Below threshold)
pennywit:
Well then, Pannywit, it would be just as logical to bring up everything Bill Clinton ever did, hmm?

Well, considering how rhetoric in the last election bizarrely centered on Vietnam ...

But, seriously, I do think bringing up Clinton's actions is entirely appropriate in this election for any number of reasons. Just off the top of my head:

1) Part of today's geopolitical realities were set in place during the Clinton administration.

2) The current Democratic frontrunner is the spouse of President Clinton. Moreover, she has chosen to revisit a policy that his administration attempted to enact under her guidance.

3) After eight years of Bush, one of the most obvious themes for Democrats is a return to the Clinton years -- peace, prosperity, etc., etc., much as the most logical theme for Republicans after eight years of Clinton was a return to the Reagan era.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to exhume Nixon and LBJ's misdeeds, if for no other reason than I can't stand Baby Boomers reliving their misspent youth.

--|PW|--

mantis:I know a lo... (Below threshold)
cirby:

mantis:

I know a lot of folks would like to erase the connection, but the Dem candidate in 2000 was Clinton's VP.

Read the post again and note the "nobody's running" part.

"3) After eight years of Bu... (Below threshold)
JB:

"3) After eight years of Bush, one of the most obvious themes for Democrats is a return to the Clinton years -- peace, prosperity, etc., etc., much as the most logical theme for Republicans after eight years of Clinton was a return to the Reagan era."

They can go ahead and try that while Romney runs circles around them with his Vote for Change in DC/Enough with the Clinton-Bush Dynasty/Most Qualified Outsider campaign theme.

I'd say Dems have a reason to be scared.

Hence you'll get a ton of anti-Mormon Moby troll bigotry, but it won't get it done in the face of Hillary's high negatives.

Well, considering how rh... (Below threshold)

Well, considering how rhetoric in the last election bizarrely centered on Vietnam ...

I thought it was bizarre for John Kerry to bring up his service record there so often myself, given that he disliked the reason he was there so much.

Bush is a mere fill-in-the-... (Below threshold)

Bush is a mere fill-in-the-blank in "Bush Derangement Syndrome." Whoever the next Republican nominee or President is will immediately become the object of their hatred.

The important part is the "Derangement." The details can be filled in later . . .

Oh, and for all the nice things Democrats sometimes now say about Reagan, remember there were "RDS" sufferers in no fewer numbers in the '80s.

The name on the placards and bumper stickers changes, but the derangement itself is constant.

Does anyone think our own resident moonbats will suddenly become calm and rational when Bush leaves office? Not bloody likely - barring psychiatric intervention and large doses of psychotropic drugs, of course.

pennywit:Well,... (Below threshold)
marc:

pennywit:

Well, considering how rhetoric in the last election bizarrely centered on Vietnam ...

Yep... it was bazaar how kerry "reported for duty." He set the stage as it were.

But he didn't have a wide choice, it was his "exploits" (manufactured and real) of 40 years ago or a Senate record that put on display a very empty suit.

Ya know...as you folks go l... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Ya know...as you folks go living in the past...
How about now?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/military/stories/MYSA092007.01A.MEDCOMPLEAS.345d627.html


"mantis:I know a lot... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"mantis:
I know a lot of folks would like to erase the connection, but the Dem candidate in 2000 was Clinton's VP. Read the post again and note the "nobody's running" part."

Hello? Mantis?

Poor ol Nogo, all link and ... (Below threshold)

Poor ol Nogo, all link and no think.

Aaaaand nogo proves the pos... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Aaaaand nogo proves the post.

I think alot of the left's ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I think alot of the left's obsession with BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome, (a good example), is fueled by Bush's own obsession with his complicated relationship with his father, even as President..His most recent biographer Robert Draper sums up that

"Bush, due to his insecurities, really doesn't like to be challenged. It says a lot that this man, at the age of 61, still feels the need to differentiate himself from his father...He is either going to go down in history as a disastrous flop or a really monumental president."

Bush has been the material of soap opera dynasty, why fault his critics for revealing his clothes or the lack of them. Character is history. Now as a sequel we may get a Clinton's third term? Hey it's not rational but that's democracy in America, unfortunately.

As the article makes clear ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

As the article makes clear it is different than

"The case is unrelated to that of Fort Sam Maj. John Cockerham, who was indicted last month along with his wife, Melissa, and his sister Carolyn Blake on charges that they accepted up to $9.6 million in bribes for Defense Department contracts in Iraq and Kuwait."

of course until January of this Year there was no attempt by our Republican controlled govt for accountability.
After all Jefferson and Murtha took their kickbacks under Republican control...

Of course..Iraq will be the issue....
but a year from now..
Republicans will have lost a major card
"Who do you trust with your money?"

It's unreasonable to cri... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It's unreasonable to criticize a president and his policies as part of a campaign where your primary opposition bases much of their own campaigns on support for that president and his policies?

Let's all remember that one.

"After all Jefferson and Mu... (Below threshold)
yo:

"After all Jefferson and Murtha took their kickbacks under Republican control..."

idiotic.

Heh, heh, the Republican wi... (Below threshold)
kim:

Heh, heh, the Republican will run against the Clinton administration and the Democrat will run against the Bush administration. Guess who will be running against a strawman?
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I remember quite well how e... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I remember quite well how even Gore was running against Clinton back in 2000, in a different way of course, by running away from him. He wouldn't let him on the campaign trail with him. Even Gore knew Clinton was a liability, not an asset.

Too funny.

Right, JB, and the fact is ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Right, JB, and the fact is not many people are paranoid about the Mormons they know. That hogwash is going to blow up in the moonbats' faces, because I don't think the Christian right will give him too hard a time about it.
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By the way...The rea... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

By the way...
The reason Bush is still a factor is because...
1. He is still our President.
2. Republicans in Senate and House still vote to support his actions.
3. Until such a time that Republican candidates establish, through votes, distance from Bush...
It is about Bush...

4. If you all truly believe that Bush is an asset for Republican Candidates...then why have a problem with Dems saying it's about Bush?
You should be saying....
"You bet it is about Bush and his successes."
He was elected in 2004 and has spent his political capital to convince America that the future belongs to the Republican Party...
.....Look for a Republican landslide in 2008 as Independents reaffirm the successes of the Republican agenda since 2004

In a peculiar way, the Morm... (Below threshold)
kim:

In a peculiar way, the Mormons have an advantage in their peculiarity. They are extremely adept at separating their private life from their public; they've separated church and state, outside of Utah, quite well.
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Nogo, you have a wonderful,... (Below threshold)
kim:

Nogo, you have a wonderful, and, I believe, prescient point. In fact, our next president is going to get elected making the case for Bush's accomplishments that Bush seems constitutionally incapable of making himself. Look at the worldwide prosperity in the face of a dire threat from radical Islam. Bush has clearly made progress against al-Qaeda, and has defined the struggle against radical Islam. Granted, he was provoked more than Clinton was, but Berger, Clarke, Clinton et al will go down infamously in history. Hillary has a miserable Clinton legacy, as well as personal demagnetism, to contend against.
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The Republican nominee will... (Below threshold)
kim:

The Republican nominee will have the best of both worlds. He can take or leave whatever he likes of Bush, something Al Gore did not have the luxury of, nor will Hillary.
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Yo...YoI am confused... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Yo...Yo
I am confused....are you saying Murtha and Jefferson did not take kickbacks....or are you saying their Kickbacks took place after January of this year....
If you want I can provide links to Jefferson..Murtha kickbacks when Republicans were in charge of The House. Where was the House investigation?
Of course the House Committee that should deal with this was gutted after "Cut and Run" Delay was chastised by this committee....

Right ng, right under their... (Below threshold)
kim:

Right ng, right under their noses, with constitutional protection, no less. Melanie Sloane, we have CREW member.
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Since lib assh*les seem to ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Since lib assh*les seem to be deluding themselves about President Bush, let me say this unequivocally:

President Bush has been a very good president and will be an asset to the Republican candidate in 2008.

Unprecedented worldwide pro... (Below threshold)
kim:

Unprecedented worldwide prosperity. Victory in Iraq from the ungodly sacrifices of a few. Radical Islam wondered at by the moderate Muslims. He is CEO of the world and Cheney is his COO. If the Board of Directors don't find adequate replacement, sell.
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nogo:I am conf... (Below threshold)
marc:

nogo:

I am confused....are you saying Murtha and Jefferson did not take kickbacks....or are you saying their Kickbacks took place after January of this year.... If you want I can provide links to Jefferson..Murtha kickbacks when Republicans were in charge of The House. Where was the House investigation?

"Ice Box" Jefferson's office was raided in May, '06 and the investigation had been underway fro 14 months prior to that.

So whats your point, that a bunch of political hacks are better at "investigation" then the FBI?

Where was the House investigation you ask? Where were the dems asking for one?

By next year the word will ... (Below threshold)
kim:

By next year the word will be out that the globe is cooling, too. Let's see who can triangulate that.
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I remember quite well ho... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I remember quite well how even Gore was running against Clinton back in 2000, in a different way of course, by running away from him. He wouldn't let him on the campaign trail with him.

Gee, Sock Puppet Jo... and just how did that work out for him?

I see you're perfecting your craft of making a point for the Democrats. Maybe you can have one of your sock puppets become one.

Too funny.

Are you confused, Brian, or... (Below threshold)
kim:

Are you confused, Brian, or are you confusing me?
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Don't forget "BMLS" - "Bush... (Below threshold)

Don't forget "BMLS" - "Bush Man- Love Syndrome".

This is that strange syndrome where conservatives, despite knowing full well that Bush has:

- greatly enlarged the Federal government,
- increased Federal power,
- gone against state's rights, and
- brought us the largest increase in the size of the budget deficit, ever...

...are still unable to allow their man to be criticized in public.

Why is this?

Some scientists conclude it has something to do with BMLS sufferers thinking Bush is actually like them. This Yale-educated yuppie from Connecticut who likes to "Clear brush" on his magical playtime ranch-without-animals...

What I think is interesting... (Below threshold)

What I think is interesting is that these cases of individual corruption (Murtha, Jefferson, the army officer, etc.) are somehow laid at the feet of GWB, as if he was the prime mover of everything. The corrupt made their choices and would do the same no matter who is president.

Brain:Gee, Soc... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brain:

Gee, Sock Puppet Jo... and just how did that work out for him?

Well, it worked to the point of Gore winning the popular vote. It worked to the point of Gore floating the idea it was "fair" to demand recounts in three dem held Fla counties and no others in an attempt to overturn the election.

And finally, and more to the point, it "worked" for the BDS sufferers as the genesis of their delusions that continue to this day.

Drummond, you right-kooks a... (Below threshold)
FreedomFries:

Drummond, you right-kooks are brain dead with your silly pap about the Dems running against Bush. You Republican aholes ran against Clinton in 2000.

You really do need a drool cup, Drummond. I hope that you are still continent.

Well, it worked... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Well, it worked

It did?! You mean Gore is really president? Yippee!

Your standard of debate sty... (Below threshold)

Your standard of debate style is, as always, further support for my point, FF.

KimA strawman is a... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Kim

A strawman is a figure of little substance, not much in the brain, a silly grin and an ability to blow with the wind. I give you George W [b]ush.

Of course the dem nominee will run against this failed administration, his failed policies, the culture of corruption spawned by him, the turmoil in the ME caused by him, the corruption of the corporations his administration throws our money at,the culture of gay bashing he supports, the corruption of the Constitution he was sworn to uphold, the friends across the globe we had after 9/11 but have now lost, the extremist judges it has appointed to the bench.

If that qualifies as BDS, count me in. The last time I checked this is our system of choice at work. If the dem nominee doesn't run against all the above he or she deserves to lose.

Despite the spinning of our... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Despite the spinning of our usual propagandist trolls here, the BDS is so acute on the left that the vile anti-American Moveon actually owns the Dem party and A DailyKos leftist Have A Little Crush on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

a. successful administratio... (Below threshold)
kim:

a. successful administration.
b. successful policies.
c. corruption pales in comparison to Clinton.
d. Iraq is settling down.
e. the corruption of the climatologists our government throws its money at.
f.the confounding of homosexuality and child predation midwived by Melanie Sloane and her evil CREW.
g. Schumer subverting the Justice Department in direct antagonism to the Constitutional separation of powers.
h. the friends who stuck with us through Iraq and the ones who are returning, like Germany, and France.
i. Strict constructionists, at last.

You got your list, you poor sour thing, I got mine.
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jimji doesn't understand th... (Below threshold)
kim:

jimji doesn't understand that if you don't have animals, then you've got to clear brush. A marvelous unconciously ironic example of a magical thinker.
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Yes you do Kim. And isn't t... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Yes you do Kim. And isn't that what it's all about? The right of people to choose which of us is correct.

Kim, Look like the ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Kim,
Look like the dem presidential nominee is owned by the vile Moveon.org. If it is Hillary Clinton, as expected, then it means that the liberal left continues to support the Clinton culture of corruption, the killing of American women/children an Waco, the kissing up to American enemies, the selling of sensitive American technology, and the stuffing of classified information by a dem national security advisor. Seems like that 's what the liberal left is supporting despite all their (shameless) propaganda rhetoric.

Kim, you believe these thin... (Below threshold)
jim:

Kim, you believe these things are true about Bush:

a. successful administration. b. successful policies. c. corruption pales in comparison to Clinton.

(As a side note - how do you measure these successes? Just curious....)

Let's say for the sake of argument that you're right in every case.

Does that mean that Bush has *not* increased the size and power of Federal government, pushed against state's rights, and brought us the most out-of-control budget increase in our history?

That is my entire point.

Many of those on the Right who accuse the Left of BDS, are unable to acknowledge that they have the opposite problem of BMLS - they are simply unable to admit when Bush has let them down even in their own conservative causes.

Kim doesn't realize the if ... (Below threshold)
jim:

Kim doesn't realize the if you don't have animals,

a) it isn't really a "ranch"
b) clearing brush is a photo-op; I'll bet anyone here that when the cameras aren't around, it's probably done by hispanic laborers.

JFO:the friend... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

the friends across the globe we had after 9/11 but have now lost

Do you mean like the French Gov? Or have they consumed too much "Bush flavored Kool-Aid" and joined forces on the "dark side?"

Or do you mean the U.N. who's Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon believes the security situation in Iraq has improved "a lot" and is returning to the country after four years absence?

Jim:Kim doesn'... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

Kim doesn't realize the if you don't have animals,a) it isn't really a "ranch"
b) clearing brush is a photo-op; I'll bet anyone here that when the cameras aren't around, it's probably done by hispanic laborers.

Someone seems confused, let's see who:

Ranch: 1. an establishment maintained for raising livestock under range conditions.
2. Chiefly Western U.S. and Canada. a large farm used primarily to raise one kind of crop or animal: a mink ranch.
3. a dude ranch.

Well now, guess animals aren't a requirement, they are are in fact optional, by definition. (Except in Jim's world)

And BTW if anyone takes you up on your bet how will anyone prove it?

Interesting, Marc. Your def... (Below threshold)
jim:

Interesting, Marc. Your definition mentions animals in defintions 1 and 2.

So, by definition 1, I'm right.

By definition 2, as regards animals, I'm right again. As regards crops - well, what kind of crop is Bush's ranch raising? I've been unable to find any. So, unless you can find some cash crop that's being raised on the "ranch", this definition doesn't fit either.

For definition 3 - ok, let's say it's a dude ranch. That's a ranch that exists for rich tourists who want to experience quaint rustic living without such nuisances as real, smelly animals and hard work.

So, actually, you're right - Bush's Crawford estate *does* qualify as a dude ranch.

But really, why don't we just call it what we all know it really is - a mansion on a sprawling country estate.

And Marc, if someone wants ... (Below threshold)
jim:

And Marc, if someone wants to take me up on that bet, then one or the other of us can just call up the estate and ask who clears the brush when Bush is vacationing at the White House instead.

Ahhh, I see now. Jim think... (Below threshold)

Ahhh, I see now. Jim thinks that Bush is a phony if he only clears brush when he has the time to do so and is at the ranch, that if he ever does anything else with his time, like put his MBA to use or do the job he was hired for, that this somehow means it's only a 'photo op'.

Cynical, false, and malicious, that's ol' Jim!

DJ DrummondCyni... (Below threshold)
marc:

DJ Drummond

Cynical, false, and malicious, that's ol' Jim!
Not to mention if Jim were to call the Bush ranch to verify his bet it would give him another opportunity to call him a liar.

I especially like that Jim ... (Below threshold)

I especially like that Jim expects the President of the United States to clear brush at his ranch, instead of serving in the WHite House.

As the wabbit says, "what a marroooooon!"

The extremist left will ind... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

The extremist left will indeed have a difficult time dealing with Bush's exit because the need to overthrow power will be missing from their repertoire. The wind in their sail will be taken from their cry for impeachment. Whoever is elected, however, will gain a new brand of supporters and enemies in keeping with a momentum that builds and regroups with the election process. The shift in current will be quite interesting to watch.

Thanks, guys, for being tex... (Below threshold)
jim:

Thanks, guys, for being textbook examples of BMLS.

:)

marcWow, you can c... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

Wow, you can cite one country. Overwhelming to say the least I suppose in your eyes. Way to go there. Oh, and I can't help but wonder what your view of the French was about 5 or 6 years ago? Bet you were one of those "freedom fry" eaters weren't ya? Bet you just jumped on O'Rally's French boycott didn't ya?

Now for the reality:

"According to a recent BBC World Service poll of 26,000 people in 25 countries (mostly non-Arab), just 29 percent now feel the United States exerts a mainly positive influence on the world. That compares with 36 percent who felt that way a year ago and 40 percent two years ago. When asked about the U.S. military presence in the Middle East, an average of 68 percent of respondents across the 25 countries answered that it provokes more conflict than it prevents."

www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-02/2007-02-07-voa58.cfm?CFID=194331730&CFTOKEN=60505267


I know, I know , those damn polls are just so wrong except of course when they favor your side.

Thanks, guys, for being tex... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Thanks, guys, for being textbook examples of BMLS.
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Thanks for being a textbook example of covering up the liberal sew*age: the liberal culture of corruption of Clinton, Reid, Pelosi ... , anti-Americanism of Moveon, and the BDS of the far left DailyKos. These are not the fringes of the Dem party any more.

Jim thinks that Bu... (Below threshold)
jim:
Jim thinks that Bush is a phony if he only clears brush when he has the time to do so and is at the ranch,

No, I think he's a phony because

a) it's not really a ranch, at best it's a "dude ranch", since it has no animal or crop output,

b) whenever he does, it's clearly and blatantly a photo op.

that if he ever does anything else with his time, like put his MBA to use or do the job he was hired for, that this somehow means it's only a 'photo op'.

I would *love* to see him do many other things with his time. I'd settle for him reading reports rather than rely on his staff to execute the details, so Bush can float around in his bubble and feel sorry for himself that more people don't like him...

Hell, I'd settle for him reading anything more intellectually challenging than history, bios and baseball books.

As for cynical, malicious and false - I'll give you the first two.

Still waiting for you BMLS sufferers to admit that Bush has expanded Federal size and power more than any previous president, expanded the size of the budget deficit more than any previous, and pushed against state's rights.

The liberal left is so will... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The liberal left is so willing to contribute to these anti-American lies. Our typical trolls here continue to participate in such a propaganda.


http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001519.html

"The average Iraqi post-Fallujah was not very happy with us being here," he said. "If the insurgency only attacked Americans, the people of Ramadi would not have been very upset. But Al Qaeda infiltrated and took over the insurgency. They massively overplayed their hand. They cut off citizens' heads with kitchen knives. The locals slowly learned that the propaganda about us were lies, and that Al Qaeda was their real enemy. They figured out by having dinner and tea with us that we really are, honest to God, here to help them."


No prob, LAI. It's what I'm... (Below threshold)
jim:

No prob, LAI. It's what I'm here for.

Check your water. Make sure it's distilled. Purity of Essence. Of Pure Essence.

Hell, I'd settle for him re... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Hell, I'd settle for him reading anything more intellectually challenging than history, bios and baseball books.
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Yet he seems far more intelligent than the clueless Obama. But liberals simply count on lying propaganda in any case. They continue to support the clueless and the corrupt Democrats who are in the pockets of George Soro via the vile Moveon and DailyKos ...

No prob, LAI. It's what I'm... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

No prob, LAI. It's what I'm here for.
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Thanks for reminding us of the liberal culture of corruption and their less than honest rhetoric.

Jim:Still wait... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

Still waiting for you BMLS sufferers to admit that Bush has expanded Federal size and power more than any previous president, expanded the size of the budget deficit more than any previous,

That's misleading at best. Without an adjustment for inflation the raw monetary numbers are meaningless.

With the adjustment you talking point is out to lunch.

And need I point out the deficit has been shrinking the last 18-24 months?

JFO:Wow, you c... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

Wow, you can cite one country. Overwhelming to say the least I suppose in your eyes. Way to go there. Oh, and I can't help but wonder what your view of the French was about 5 or 6 years ago? Bet you were one of those "freedom fry" eaters weren't ya? Bet you just jumped on O'Rally's French boycott didn't ya?

Wrong on all counts, you can "wonder" all you care to.

Funny, last I checked it wasn't a citation of a single country. The U.N. represents 192 member states. Are you trying to claim the new Secretary General is going against the wishes of 192 member states?

Would you accept the addition of Germany? Probably not, it wouldn't fit your ideology.

However, both France and Germany have re-established more friendly ties to the U.S. That has occurred after both Chirac and Schroeder left the scene.

Funny how that works isn't it JFO, the German Chancellor's most anti-Bush/U.S. statements all came during the election season in Germany.

Gee...ya think they were spoken for the "home crowd?" Do ya think him being gone has turned the relationship in the other direction?

A similar scenario can be placed at the feet of the idiot savant kofi aanan. He infamously declared the Iraq war was "illegal" smack in the middle of the '04 U.S. Presidential campaign. His intentions would only have been made clearer if had given kerry a campaign donation. But he couldn't so he did the next best thing.

As for your poll... name me a single country in the world that determines its public policy based on what other countries populations think of it.

In other words, you must believe in the "global test," I believe its BS and so is your poll in determining U.S. foreign and internal policy.

Put in even simpler terms your so full of shit your eyes are brown.

jim thinks people who live ... (Below threshold)
kim:

jim thinks people who live in ranch houses are inauthentic if they don't have animals. Do dogs and cats count? How about gerbils? And don't you dare cut the grass, gotta 'clear brush' instead.
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Now, jim, I can understand ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Now, jim, I can understand you sneering at the intellectual content of history books, and biographies, but baseball books? Don't you know that's a thinking man's game?
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jim, about 'successful' tha... (Below threshold)
kim:

jim, about 'successful' that was parallel construction with JFO. Ask him what 'failed' means.
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Jimmy is guided by and blin... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Jimmy is guided by and blinded by hate. It is all consuming for him and his ilk like JFO. ww

marcOK, I'll give ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

OK, I'll give you a maybe with Germany. So its 1 + a maybe now.
Do you have any idea how absolutely ridiculous you're sounding?
Now, go ahead and call me a name.

OK, your an asshat and obvi... (Below threshold)
marc:

OK, your an asshat and obviously failed basic math.

Heh, heh. JFO thinks the B... (Below threshold)
kim:

Heh, heh. JFO thinks the BBC reflects reality. Haven't you heard their own justification for bias, that they are young and diverse?
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It gets worse. jim doesn't... (Below threshold)
kim:

It gets worse. jim doesn't want Bush to rely on his staff to execute the details.

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Drummond, you cite that gro... (Below threshold)
Is our children learning?:

Drummond, you cite that grotesquely ugly Kraphammer, the Fox neo-con crypto-zionist who makes The Elephanr Man look like George Clooney?

He is such a revolting & repulsive hideous-looking sack of puss that reportedly his momma began to vomit at his sight at birth & hasn't stopped since.

Her uncontrolled wretching ultimately becamer known as KWUS (Kraphammer Wretchedly Ugly Syndrome)

The relative contact of vul... (Below threshold)

The relative contact of vulgar and abusive screeds in a post is one of the most definitive symptoms of advanced BDS.

Case in point, i.o.c.l.'s attempt just before this post.

There is no cure, but there is hope. Simply make your donations to the Republican Party, where research to eliminate the devastating effects of BDS continues.

I personally have grown to ... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

I personally have grown to love sufferers of BDS. They come pre-frothing, all you have to do is mention Bush. They also never bring an A-game, I'm not even sure they have one. Their best retort is the BMLS quote. I get accused of that all the time. I like Bush because he cuts taxes and kills terrorists and I defend him on those grounds all the time, if you want me to
defend him on illegal immigration or expanding gov't, it's not gonna happen.
The lefties today are all about projection. They have their little, (used-to-be)secret email list that gives out talking points so they screech that's what the right does. They walk in lockstep so they accuse the right of doing that.
OT but amusing to me, isn't DJ the one who had the post on how we were supposed to be more like the left and walk in lock-step?

OK, Marc - you're right. Bu... (Below threshold)
jim:

OK, Marc - you're right. Bush's current budget is not the largest of all time. Actually it's "only" the 4th largest of all time.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/fourth-largest-deficit/

So, for the 200 + years we've been a nation, 196+ budgets have been better. Whoop-te-do. Fiscal conservatism in action! Or should I say, inaction...

Meanwhile, Clinton brought us the first budget *surplus* in many decades. But that's right - that doesn't actually count because he didn't tell the truth about a BJ to Congress while they were gunning for his head on a platter.

Clinton Derangement Syndrome is a real problem too. Love to hear some admission on that part...I won't hold my breath tho.

So, to repeat: Bush brings us "only" the 4th largest budget deficit in our history as a nation.

Does that do him credit as a fiscal conservative?

Or can you guys admit that maybe Bush could have done a better job with the Federal budget?

Oh, and let's not forget the size of the Fed, the power of the Fed, and the push against Stat's rights. Things you conservatives are supposed to be interested in.

re: # 68: Kim, do I need to... (Below threshold)
jim:

re: # 68: Kim, do I need to point out the difference between "ranches" and "ranch houses" to you?

We might as well be talking about ranch dressing.

re: # 69 - Well Kim, a lot ... (Below threshold)
jim:

re: # 69 - Well Kim, a lot of thought's involved in Baseball, as in any sport or even any human endeavoer.

But I'd prefer the man who's leading my nation and detemining it's direction and future to be reading about, I don't know - foreign countries? Economics? Technological developments? The future of medicine? Space technology? Military strategy in the *present*? Global geopolitics in the *present*?

And for sports, I'd prefer he be reading about chess. Or even poker.

Whatever he's reading, he needs to either read more or read different books. Or actually listen to experts who read the books, not the yes-men he surrounds himself with. Whatever it is, he needs to change it, because he's done and is donig a terrible job.

One guy has to be the worst President in American history. Previous contenders where james Buchanan, Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon. I'd even consider LBJ - he could have done a lot things better. But I really think you're looking at the worst one in office, right now. A lot of historians tend to agree.

Veeshir, what's interesting... (Below threshold)
jim:

Veeshir, what's interesting to me about how you feel Bush is killing the terrorists, is that it's actually in direct contrast to the facts.

Not only has Bush not caught the terrorists who actually planned the attack against us - Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, remember them? - but the invasion of Iraq has increased the number of terrorists in the world.

I can post the studies that confirm this, as I've actually done on this site many times. But the figures just don't stick, even theough they never are refuted.

You guys occur to me, as honestly determined to *know* that Bush is actaully wainning the war against terrorism - and it doesn't see like any facts will deter you in this belief.

I'll be happy to post the studies I'm talking about, again, if you will actually read them, and admit to yourself before reading even the *possibility* that Bush might actally be wrong. Just the possibilty of it.

Because I think your faith is directly in the way of your picture of reality.

Jim:So, for th... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

So, for the 200 + years we've been a nation, 196+ budgets have been better. Whoop-te-do. Fiscal conservatism in action! Or should I say, inaction...

Well... well... well looky there a mea culpa! (of a sort)

Now lets work on that whole "shared responsibility" (cute ref to Shillery no?) thing, as in who holds the purse strings. Lets work on the fact every budget sent to congress by Bush has been over-inflated by that same congress.

Lets work on passing the blame where it belongs, with all in the budgetary process regardless of party affiliation.

And BTW, you're still an asshat for even thinking about the "largest budget deficit" talking point let alone using it.

Jim:Meanwhile,... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

Meanwhile, Clinton brought us the first budget *surplus* in many decades. But that's right - that doesn't actually count because he didn't tell the truth about a BJ to Congress while they were gunning for his head on a platter.

To continue the "shared responsibilty" theme. Yeah it was "cute" when Clinton made his surplus announcement accompanied by beside a sign flashing the word "surplus" in orange lights, great theater!

But that's all it was and in your sad effort to give Clinton all the credit you ignore or forget the the portion of the Contract with America pushed thru by the Repubs that included a balanced budget provision.

You conveniently ignore Gingrich and the Republican majority wanted deep cuts to government spending, which Clinton flatly rejected. That fight led to a partial gov shutdown.

Clinton's "surplus" and your talking point is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

The reality was and is, there never was a budget surplus. The gov has run a deficit for more decades than you and I have been alive.

Go ahead Jim, call the U.S. Treasury Dept a bunch of political hacks and liars. I dare you.

asshat!

marcWhat is your a... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

What is your anal obsesseion about? You ought to get help or at least call Senator Craig and share a stall so you can stop with the references. Either that or have your mommy was your mouthout with soap. Good grief. Were you not potty trained?

Marc, once again you're ign... (Below threshold)
jim:

Marc, once again you're ignoring:

- Bush's increase of the size of the Fed.
- Bush's increase of the power of the Fed.
- Bush's push against state's rights.

Care to admit that Bush has actually done these things?

Because the denial that Bush has done them, is what BMLS is all about.

You conveniently i... (Below threshold)
jim:
You conveniently ignore Gingrich and the Republican majority wanted deep cuts to government spending, which Clinton flatly rejected. That fight led to a partial gov shutdown.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm celebrating it. That went a great ways towards giving us the surplus.

You're remembering it how you want to - probably because of your CDS.

The government shutdown happened because the Republicans wanted a tax cut - where Clinton instead wanted that revenue to keep coming in, so we could actually have a surplus instead.

It was this stand which caused Clinton's approval ratings to go up at the time. Imagine - a government actually saving money and putting it aside for when it might be needed? Gasp!!!

Oh, and Marc - as for "ther... (Below threshold)
jim:

Oh, and Marc - as for "there neever was a surplus" - Well there is no doubt that there was a *yearly* budget surplus, for several years running during the Clinton administration. Which is to say, for each of those years, the governmnet was taking in more money than it was spending.

Even the website you cited in # 66 shows this.

Which means the extra money taken in(and was) going towards paying off the National Debt as well.

http://money.cnn.com/1999/06/28/economy/clinton/

Ah, those horrible pre-2000 days of peace and prosperity...

So what are you trying to prove? Yes, we still owed more money than the government took in, and it would have taken a while to pay it off. How does that mean that Bush was fiscally reposnsible, for blowing the surplus **And then** putting us in the whole another several hundred billion, *plus* wars with no end in sight?

Please explain to me how that makes Bush a fiscal conservative.

Since we both know that he is nothing near a fiscal conservative, in any way shape or form.

Jim:Marc, once... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

Marc, once again you're ignoring: - Bush's increase of the size of the Fed. - Bush's increase of the power of the Fed. - Bush's push against state's rights. Care to admit that Bush has actually done these things? Because the denial that Bush has done them, is what BMLS is all about.

I never denied anything so your apparent diagnosis is far off the mark.

However I would like to see your proof of those three points.

And keep in mind, if possible, increasing the size of the Fed isn't a one man job. (there's that whole congress thing) Something you have demonstrated as being woefully unprepared to do unless called out on. Only then you begrudgingly acquiesce.

Oh and BTW, one of the largest increases in the fed is the abhorrent Homeland Security Dept. Something Bush never wanted and was rammed down his throat by the idiots in congress.

Jim:There's just t... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

There's just too much to fisk in a single comment. For example:

Please explain to me how that makes Bush a fiscal conservative. Since we both know that he is nothing near a fiscal conservative, in any way shape or form.

Yeah, that's the ticket, ask me to defend something I never claimed. Not a smart move.

Jim, the only "historians" ... (Below threshold)
Dirk:

Jim, the only "historians" who think Bush is the worst President in history are the Clinton worshipping hacks who desperately want attention and think being liberal=competency.

jim, you have BDS. It will... (Below threshold)
kim:

jim, you have BDS. It will be difficult for another President to match Bush's accomplishments. Unless we're lucky, you're not going to see a worldwide economic expansion like you've seen for the last seven years. Unless we are lucky, you'll not see the successes against radical Islam like we've seen in the last seven years. The sacrifices in the Middleeast are horrible, but they are being made by a tiny fraction of volunteers. The rest of the coountry isn't at war.
You've been misled by the idealogues you read. You're a reasonable man, and you'll understand this someday.
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Chess? Poker? You find a ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Chess? Poker? You find a better poker player, I'll bet on him.

But I see your problem. You haven't read enough biographies, or history books.
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Marc, let's review. As I st... (Below threshold)
jim:

Marc, let's review. As I stated in # 36:

...."BMLS" - "Bush Man- Love Syndrome".

This is that strange syndrome where conservatives, despite knowing full well that Bush has:

- greatly enlarged the Federal government,
- increased Federal power,
- gone against state's rights, and
- brought us the largest increase in the size of the budget deficit, ever...

...are still unable to allow their man to be criticized in public.

I think you suffer from BMLS.

You have asked for citations for these points. Here they are:

Point 1: Bush increase in the size of the Federal government

http://www.mises.org/story/2116

Point 2: Bush increase in Federal power
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9307-2005Feb8.html
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_09_13/review.html

It truly is amazing, when you stop to think about it....that virtually everything the Bush administration has done to expand government power or expenditures is justified as being essential to winning "the war against terrorism." Propping up farmers through outdated and expensive subsidies? Helps fight terrorism. Subsidies to sugar producers in order to keep prices of American sugar uncompetitively high? Necessary to fight terrorism. Tobacco subsidies? Ditto. How about a plan to have the government pay the way for lower-income home buyers who haven't been able to save the money or qualify for loans to make their own down payments? A ridiculous and economically disastrous program, to be sure, but it's worth the price to the Bush administration because--you guessed it--it creates stronger communities, which in turn are essential to improving America's ability to fight terrorism. Hallelujah, and pass the collection plate!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/

Point 3: Bush pushes against state's rights
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2007/03/huckabee_calls.html

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said the Bush Administration's efforts to federalize areas like education "has been horrible" and is not in line with the Bill of Rights.

Campaigning in New Hampshire Wednesday, Huckabee said on an hour-long talk show at New Hampshire Public Radio that Bush and the Republican Congress were trying to take power away from states.

"What happened to the 10th Amendment?" asked Huckabee, referring to the amendment granting individual states all responsibility on issues not explicitly granted to the federal government in the Constitution.

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_6991738

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/politics/23repubs.html?_r=1&ei=5070&en=5f3876c4ccaa184b&ex=1190174400&pagewanted=print&position=&oref=slogin


Point 4: Pardon me, the **4th** largest budget in history.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsID=31


Now if once you read these points, you can admit that Bush has been bad in these ways, and that he did these things of his own free will, and refrain from making excuses for him but let him actually be accountable - then you may show yourself not to be a BMLS suffered.

Hint: Saying "The Congress made him do it!" as regards Homeland Security, is making an excuse for Bush. That's textbook BMLS. Is Bush a grown man with his own mind, or not? Did he choose to take up the bill and push it of his own accord, or not?




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