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Exposing A Contextual Deviant

OK, "exposing" is a bit strong here. The deviant in question exposes himself on a fairly regular basis; he's just decided to "call me out" on a few things enough times that he needs a thorough smackdown.

Last night, BarneyG2000 worked himself up into a lather and disagreed with my little theory on why TruthOut is having e-mail troubles -- and, at the same time, brought up a few other things I've said that, he suspects, I wish I'd never said.

Jay, what post was it that you said you were glad that 9-11 happened? Why don't you link to it so all your fans can read how I am taking your words out of context? Please include the text follow-up where you wished someone would kill me.

First up, Barney, I made no such post. I made a comment. At least TRY to get the language right.

And as far as the substance of your accusation -- well, it's as empty as Barack Obama's suit.

Here's the statement, in the context of the discussion. The subject, as you'll recall, was how the Palestinian Authority was celebrating the anniversary of 9/11, treating it as a good thing. First, you said:

If Bush didn't f-up the capture of OBL in Tora Bora and then send all our troops to Iraq (Bush: Honestly I don't think too much about him) we wouldn't have to put up with this kind of humiliation.

12. Posted by BarneyG2000 | September 17, 2007 7:46 PM

That prompted me to forget the "do not feed the trolls" rule, and I answered:

In one sense, Barney, then I'm glad 9/11 happened.

It gave the Palestinians a chance to reveal their true nature.

If it wasn't for 9/11, we'd have to rely on lesser indicators to show what savage assholes they are.

I wish to hell I knew who said it first, but it's so true: "the Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance."

J.

16. Posted by Jay Tea | September 17, 2007 8:38 PM

The point I was making (and pretty much everyone else but you perceived) was that to link the Palestinians' celebrations to Bin Laden's continuing freedom is absurd. The Palestinians were dancing in the streets on 9/11, and have celebrated it in cartoons ever since -- see here for just some of the proof of that.

Now, as for the second part -- I never threatened to kill you later on. I made a veiled threat to BAN you.

It's called "hyperbole," Barney, and here I used it to show how dumb your argument was.

"The Palestinians celebrated on 9/11/01 because George Bush would invade and overthrow one of their biggest financial backers a year and a half later."

Paraphrased, of course. But that's what it boils down to.

One of the few silver linings out of attacks like 9/11 is that it lets you find out who your friends are -- and who are not. The average Palestinian was out cheering and celebrating in the streets, and still to this day you can find pro-Bin Laden trinkets and souvenirs for sale -- and selling quite well.

Smarten up even just a smidgen, Barney, and you might be worth keeping. Or, at least, not worth the effort of removing.

J.

35. Posted by Jay Tea | September 18, 2007 4:23 AM

Unless you were referring to the "follow-up" as an incident that happened three weeks earlier. In that thread, I said that the idiot over at HuffPo who spelled out a very clear solicitation for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Of Staff to commit treason, but tossed in an utterly meaningless disclaimer and, then later, called the whole thing a "satire." You latched on to that worthless disclaimer and CYA "joke" explanation (which came in a day late and a dollar short) as if that absolved the author. So I decided to spell out for you just how hollow that was, with a personal example that I hoped (vainly, it turned out) would enlighten you:

Barney, lemme paraphrase that so you can grasp it:

"Now, I'm not advocating violence or murder or something like that, but I think it would be downright spiffy if someone -- say, you over there with the rifle -- were to walk up to BarneyG2000 and blow his head off."

Lewis put up a big disclaimer, then wrote precisely what he was disclaiming. That nullified his little attempt at CYA -- just like my disclaimer above is rendered meaningless by what I wrote after it.

(Note: that was purely for example. I sincerely hope no one would ever take a rifle to Barney's head to blow his brains out. For one, it would be overkill -- his brains are such a small target, a needle would work just as well.)

J.

12. Posted by Jay Tea | August 29, 2007 9:45 AM

It's called "parallel construction," Barney. If you're willing to excuse Mr. Lewis spending paragraph after paragraph outlining precisely how he wants General Pace to violate the law, his oath, and the United States Constitution, but excuse him because he said "To be crystal clear - I am NOT advocating or inciting you to undertake any illegal act, insurrection, mutiny, putsch or military coup. You are an honorable patriotic man. I am NOT advocating or inciting you to interfere with any of the civilian duties of the President. That would not be a legal action by you" and, later, saying "it was satire, you ignorant boobs!" Then, when I do precisely the same thing (but considerably briefer and less concerned with high-faluting language), you simply refuse to see the parallel.

By the end of the day, Barney, I'm going to re-evaluate your continued presence here at Wizbang. If you respond in any way that might be considered reasonable, or not at all, I'll stay my hand. But if you do what I fully expect you to do -- wig out and go absolutely bonkers, as is often your wont -- you'll have to take your crazy someplace else. We're all full up with crazy already.

Oh, and one last time, for those who think that the Palestinians haven't been celebrating 9/11 from the instant it happened, rejoicing in the murder of thousands of Americans: here are a few videos from the day it happened: from Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC.

Remember that, the next time you hear someone say that the Palestinians deserve our sympathy and support. Remember that well.


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Comments (34)

JT - wanna bet Baghdad barn... (Below threshold)
marc:

JT - wanna bet Baghdad barney takes a small vacation (very small, as in avoids your threads and turds in others) from commenting in the hopes this all blows over?

On the other hand NOTHING in his past would indicate he's that smart.

thats barney,dumb as a post... (Below threshold)
tj:

thats barney,dumb as a post.

I might actually start comm... (Below threshold)
goddessoftheclassroom:

I might actually start commenting again.

I have to deal with too many idiots in my real life to put up with the frustration of dealing with them here.

He has a hard time followin... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

He has a hard time following sentence constrution and is usually the first to try and derail a post with some inane comment. He's not my favorite poster and not seeing him here would be a plus.

Unfortunately, a long post ... (Below threshold)

Unfortunately, a long post with hundreds of words detailing and clarifying a situation that everybody already understood had to go up to deal with the inanities of one person. One.

Shame that you had to set time and effort aside for that.

BG rarely adds to the "reas... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

BG rarely adds to the "reasoned debate" standard that I go by. He is insulting and his primary goal is to take the thread off topic. I, for one, would not miss him at all if he were to disappear. ww

Say goodbye BarneyMoron.</p... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Say goodbye BarneyMoron.

Barney has been a useful id... (Below threshold)
RFA:

Barney has been a useful idiot in many ways. He has grown tedious at best and his input rarely adds anything to the discussion. If he does disappear it won't break my heart.

r

He could go over to Wizbang... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

He could go over to Wizbang Blue. They need commenters over there.

The lib morons are here for... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

The lib morons are here for the same reasons that Imanutjob is at Columbia.

They'll take advantage of others graciousness,or naiveté , and use it to throw a turd back at you. He, or they need the negative attention(since they so clearly get no other kind), or to send the thread in another direction.

Does anyone really look forward to any of this idiots posts? Would anyone ever go more than 12 hrs and think, damn, I wonder what he thnks?

Does anyone honestly think, if these fools were in charge, that they'd allow conservative commenters to do what they do?

They'd ban em rather quickly.

Take the hint.

Damn. You guys wait until ... (Below threshold)
yo:

Damn. You guys wait until I'm outta' the country to have all the fun?

Geesh.

Why warn the putz at all?</... (Below threshold)

Why warn the putz at all?

Unfortunately, a long po... (Below threshold)
alacrityfitzhugh:

Unfortunately, a long post with hundreds of words detailing and clarifying a situation that everybody already understood had to go up to deal with the inanities of one person. "inanities" you left out the "s" : insanities
(Though both work!)

GianiD:Does an... (Below threshold)
marc:

GianiD:

Does anyone honestly think, if these fools were in charge, that they'd allow conservative commenters to do what they do? They'd ban em rather quickly.

They are "in charge" at blue.

I was banned by Lee "The Thief" Ward for repeating a "bad word" he had already used in the same thread. My "offense" was I pointed it out and asked if that wasn't one of the "bad words" that others were banned for.

Typical lee, a hypocrite personified.

barney.... OH Baghdad barney where you at? Is that you lurking in the shadows hitting the "minus" button on all the comments?

Shhhh, marc, I don't think ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Shhhh, marc, I don't think BG has learned that trick from Lee yet.

Well, you have to admit, Ba... (Below threshold)

Well, you have to admit, Barney does provide a relatively entertaining service - he shows, quite adequately, just how deranged and ludicrous some liberals can become when given half the chance. He not only provides the punching bag of himself, he demands that people hit him.

That said, there are enough others of those running around here, I would not miss him if he were gone.

I like BG2. Reliable enoug... (Below threshold)
kim:

I like BG2. Reliable enough to have the talking points with regularity, not quite bright enough to defend them consistently, and not honest enough to admit error. A daily picture of the intellectual poverty of the left is very useful.

Lately, though, I'm more disinclined to draw the veil aside; too often The Picture of Dorian Liberal.
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I enjoy reasoned deb... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

I enjoy reasoned debate... In every single one, libtards are proven wrong.

Folks like Barney and FreedomFlies add nothing to the debate, but I admit to being amused by them. It gives an outline of their BDS mindset to those who are unaware.

Talking to and reasoning wi... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Talking to and reasoning with a wall is a better idea.

I'm constantly amazed at th... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

I'm constantly amazed at the definition of 'hate' that the left uses.

If you are on the right, then anything you say negative about anyone on the left or any liberal "idea", policy, etc. is called "hate".

If you are on the left, you can say whatever vile, despicable, vomitous, diatribe you like and it is either "freedome of speech" or "humor" or "satire" or some other such nonsense.

I would like to thank Lee W... (Below threshold)
kim:

I would like to thank Lee Ward for not allowing me to express my thoughts at Wizbang Blue.
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Posted by kim | September 2... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by kim | September 24, 2007 11:36 AM

Indeed. If Lee doesn't like what you say: banned!

As Jay said to me while assuaging my oh-so damaged feelings when Lee bumped me from Blue (after, of course, deleting my post and then misquoting me to make him look good), wear the ban as a badge of honor.

I don't of course, cuz Lee's turned Blue into a rather exclusive ideological circle-jerk and who cares, really?

Cracker's all yours, Lee.

Though, I do like the idea of those who so ardently strive to call out our loss of civil liberties being so cavalier with their abilities to restrict someone's free speech.

Priceless.

barney,just let me say,i do... (Below threshold)
tj:

barney,just let me say,i dont hate you,but,some of the things you say make me wonder about you:)

People like BarneyG2000 are... (Below threshold)
Tony:

People like BarneyG2000 are either paid to troll conservative sites, troll conservative sites in a quest for their own ideological goals, or are seriously just that dense. I'm going with 'paid shill'. It's a complete waste of time to entertain and even try to reason with BarneyG2000 Jay. You're a) giving him the attention he wants and b) completing an exercise in futility, as it's more than clear from what, a few years of this idiot posting here that he doesn't care about having a conversation that doesn't involve him derailing, accusing, and distorting. It's frustratingly stupid that this guy is still derailing threads and being a general ass.

And Wizbang even gave these idiots their own web page! This is why I've gone on to just looking at the 'links' page to see what other sites are updated, so I can go to them. Sorry Wizbang, but it's been going downhill for a while...

J.T. Do you seriously beli... (Below threshold)
David:

J.T. Do you seriously believe that somebody who can't get the Mandela thing right is going to understand your parallelisms?

"I was banned by Lee "The T... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"I was banned by Lee "The Thief" Ward for repeating a "bad word" he had already used in the same thread. My "offense" was I pointed it out and asked if that wasn't one of the "bad words" that others were banned for. Typical lee, a hypocrite personified."

Classic, exactly the reason I was banned. lee uses the word "shit" in his post, so I point out that he "warned" me about using such language. I use the same exact language as lee...banned.

"Lee's turned Blue into a rather exclusive ideological circle-jerk and who cares, really?" --Exactly correct

"And Wizbang even gave these idiots their own web page!"
--Exactly correct, very unfortunate

Jay...we have had our diffe... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Jay...we have had our differences. However,;
you have continue to allow my posts.(C'mon I do at at times provided fodder)I will however object to your generalizations regarding Palestinians.
Of course the images of that small group cheering will never be forgotten. But seriously, to transpose that to all Palestinians is wrong.

Most Palestinians just may be involved in a day to day survival. Chances are that they don't give us a thought

By the way..as someone who has been a troll longer than many posters(except maybe mantis) I will give my reasons for posting.
First..three years ago when I first visited and posted as nogo postal...Wizbang tended to be more Libertarian. The subjects were for the most part more diverse.

Second...there are times when posts are borrowed from other places and at times are either hyperbole or ...well lies...
I have at times responded with links debunking both.

Third...Their are many times when the subjects are valid and presented in a manner in which I agree. (Something too often missing from other Republican leaning sites)

What would be a shift is that rather then regurgitating simplistic slogans that are as much of the mindset as our ABC's...
Logical refutations....based on fact...

I remain....fodder

nogo:I have at... (Below threshold)
marc:

nogo:

I have at times responded with links debunking both.

Show us an example.

Oh my God, Barney, you are ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Oh my God, Barney, you are dumber than a door post! How humiliating.

For the party's sake, I hope not all the Democrat activists are as stupid as you are.

Something just occurred to ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Something just occurred to me: is Barney really Lee Ward? It's uncanny how similar the posts are.

MitchellSomethi... (Below threshold)
marc:

Mitchell

Something just occurred to me: is Barney really Lee Ward? It's uncanny how similar the posts are.
You've obviously not experienced the ruminations of Lee, BryanD or Honsoon.

And if you have your are experiencing the well documented phenomena of the human brains ability to block out the unpleasant and horrific.

Personally, I think you're ... (Below threshold)

Personally, I think you're making his day.

Obviously, he doesn't comment with the intention of convincing anyone of anything. He's merely trying to piss off conservatives.

That he succeeds to the point of getting a full post in reaction, from the site's principal Editor, no less, must have him in ecstasy (instead of just posting like he's ON it).

This is undoubtedly the high point in his miserable, worthless, unnoticed life - and you gave it to him.

Consider it your good deed for the day, J.T. . . .

Maybe it is sorta like suic... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Maybe it is sorta like suicide by cop--he's taunting us into killing off any shred of credibility he hoped he had.

I wish to hell I k... (Below threshold)
I wish to hell I knew who said it first, but it's so true: "the Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance."

Abba Eban

(February 2, 1915 - November 16, 2002) was an Israeli diplomat, politician and author. He was born Aubrey Solomon Eban in South Africa but was educated in England.

[edit] Sourced

* The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
o As quoted in The Jerusalem Post (18 November 2002); often misquoted as "Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." The quote is attributed to Abba Eban after the Geneva Peace Conference with Arab countries (21 December 1973).

* If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.
o Comment about the United Nations General Assembly, as quoted in The Guardian (3 February 2004)




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