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Who should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons?

The U.S. State Department has a new communications vehicle, the DipNote, for Diplomatic Note. It's kind of like a blog, one of those quirky things that pajamadeen use to spew their venomous rants. But this one is written by actual State Department employees. Today's entry:

Question of the Week: Who Should be Allowed To Possess Nuclear Technology?

In 1968, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) was created to prevent the further proliferation of nuclear weapons, as well as promote the peaceful use of nuclear energy and express the intention of NPT signatories to achieve disarmament. Nonetheless, questions exist as to why the international community approves of some nations possessing nuclear materials and not others.

"What should determine who should be allowed to possess nuclear technology and who should not?"

Fair enough question. But read some of the comments:

Brianna in Wisconsin writes: If one country is able to posses nucelar weapons I feel another country should be able to, too. Fair is fair. We don't govern the world and we should stop acting like we do. Posted on Tue Sep 25, 2007


Chris in Missouri writes:
No country in the world should have the power of nuclear weapons at their disposal, including the United States. That we have the power to destroy humanity should be as frightening to us as anyone else. We need to work to strengthen the United Nations and the IAEA to give them the means to enforce a policy where no country would be able to construct nuclear weapons...


It goes on. Weep people, weep.


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Ok, time to visit the Wizar... (Below threshold)
David:

Ok, time to visit the Wizard of Oz, somebody (ies) needs to find a brain.

Yup, fair is fair. If we ha... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Yup, fair is fair. If we have 'em, the Taliban, Iran, Libya, et al. should have them, too. Might as well help them subsidize their purchas--say, 10 nukes for $1 billion, the 11th one is free! And we'll throw in some BW and CW for first-time buyers, too. (Sorry, we're plum out of toasters.)


Only the United States shou... (Below threshold)

Only the United States should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons:
1. We have experience with them;
2. We know what they're good for.

Other countries that appear close to gaining possession of nuclear weapons should be nuked until their borders are visible from geosynchronous orbit, and their mineral resources donated to Mother Teresa or whoever inherited responsibility for her charities.

Perhaps we should make an exception for Israel, circumstances being what they are.

Francis, the Israeli except... (Below threshold)
epador:

Francis, the Israeli exception will have to go unwritten and unacknowledged.

School has turned out at le... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

School has turned out at least a decade of the most worthless turds in history and the next decade promises to be even worse.

You missed the "best" ones:... (Below threshold)
marc:

You missed the "best" ones:

Jorge in Chile writes:
Any country... except USA!!! Posted on Wed Sep 26, 2007

Paulo in France writes:
The fact is the U.S. is the only one country to have used the nuclear weapons against another country. The U.S. is not the police of the world but act like that and believe are the owner of the reason, therefore, we have the unjustified conflicts and politics for destabilization in certain regions. In democracy there are not imposition of the values or concepts but respect for the divergences, as so, why can some countries have nuclear weapons and not others? Who have reason to impose prohibitive rules to other countries when are distant to have a perfectly integrity? Posted on Wed Sep 26, 2007

From France, figures doesn't it? We all saw that countries "respect for the divergences" when tens of thousands of Muslims rioted in the streets and burned hundreds of cars over the respect they DIDN'T get.

And here's a Kucinich clone for the U.S.

Roger in Ohio writes:
Right now, the U.S. is just another country. We've already lost the mantle of Moral Superiority that we wore proudly a long time ago. With that said, there are two things we can do, each one determining our NPT strategy. If the U.S. wants to be morally superior, then that imposes a duty on itself to act as an example for others. In that case, we should disarm our own nukes, despite the obvious disadvantages associated with deweaponizing.

It only gets "better" in that thread, trust me. Laugh a minute I tell ya.

And the State Dept closes c... (Below threshold)
Paul:

And the State Dept closes comments in 5... 4... 3...

Looks like they're called '... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Looks like they're called 'dipnotes' for a reason.

/no need to explain the obvious

To Brianna in Wisconsin, I ... (Below threshold)
Corky Boyd:

To Brianna in Wisconsin, I say you are entitled to your opinions, but don't move to New York or Wasington DC. They are targets number 1 and 2 in the US.

Next time it won't be just airplanes. The bang will be bigger and the fallout worse.

NO ONE should have nukes...... (Below threshold)
Mike:

NO ONE should have nukes....think about it, we have survived 1,945 years without it. It will in the end kill us all. Anger will insure that. One nasty feeling,someone not liking what they said, did, will do will cause the ease of use.

....OH yea forgot to add...... (Below threshold)
Mike:

....OH yea forgot to add.....Bush is a putz! He and he alone has ruined the world's outlook on the United States. he invaded a country for no real reason beyond a personal hangup like a school yard bully. Well that and his friends in Texas that own private companies that make billions on the war, after all, he will be out of office soon and needs his friends. They hold 72% of all the contracts in Iraq. They also got 46% of contracts after Katrina thru "no bid" awards. I stand areal chance here of being invited on a hunting trip with the VP!!

mike:NO ONE sh... (Below threshold)
marc:

mike:

NO ONE should have nukes....think about it, we have survived 1,945 years without it. It will in the end kill us all. Anger will insure that. One nasty feeling,someone not liking what they said, did, will do will cause the ease of use.

Ok, what say we round up the worlds total supply of them, have you rent a stall at "Sheds R Us" and you can keep them safe for the rest of us.

Til then renew your round trip ticket to Uranus, Kucinich is waiting your arrival.

Mike:he invade... (Below threshold)
marc:

Mike:

he invaded a country for no real reason beyond a personal hangup like a school yard bully.

Your acute BDS is showing.

May I suggest you lay in a supply of Lexapro, Luvox, Paxil and Prozac to be taken in Jan 2009 when Bush is no longer on the scene.

Mike, parody is a tool best... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Mike, parody is a tool best left to professionals, dude.

Mike are you in grade schoo... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Mike are you in grade school?

"It goes on. Weep people... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"It goes on. Weep people, weep."

On the flip side, laughing keeps me sane. If the arms race doesn't take priority over maintaining the human race, we should be fine.

But then we have to consider the really nice countries like Iran and North Korea who need a little help understanding which to prioritize...

Chris in Missouri write... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Chris in Missouri writes: We need to work to strengthen the United Nations and the IAEA to give them the means to enforce a policy where no country would be able to construct nuclear weapons...

I heard a quote a while ago. Sorry I don't remember who they were quoting and I may not have it exactly right, but it went something like this:

"If you pour a glass of wine into a barrel of sewage, the wine becomes sewage. If you pour a glass of sewage into a barrel of wine, the wine becomes sewage."

The person who I heard say this quote, Bill Bennett, was talking about the Palestinian terrorist groups becoming political parties; but when you think about it this same concept applies very well to the UN also.

Like pretty much every leftist idea I've ever heard, the UN is wonderful in the theoretical universe, but in the universe we actually live in (reality), not so much. In fact just like pretty much every leftist idea I've ever heard, it may very well be doing more harm than good. The UN didn't pull us away from the brink- Reagan did. The UN won't keep nukes out of terrorist hands, but someone must.

The leftists tried to make a barrel of fine wine but they poured sewage into it. The left may smile and drink it, but I prefer not to partake. Thanks, but no, I'll let that glass pass by.

mike said, "He and he alone... (Below threshold)
tyree:

mike said, "He and he alone has ruined the world's outlook on the United States."

That Osama, he saw into the future and sent the 9/11 terrorists into the US knowing that Bush would be elected.

yea yea...all u all keep th... (Below threshold)
Mike:

yea yea...all u all keep that idea. We could have taken Saddam to the world court as others and have him stand trial for his crimes. Did I say anything about 9/11? Nope. Show me ONE good reason why we invaded Iraq. Killing thousands over one single man's dictatorship? have u gone nuts? World pressure to arrest him and FORCE him to court would have solved the same outcome. lets just blow up a nation and its people to prove a point.

"Show me ONE good reason... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Show me ONE good reason why we invaded"

I know this doesn't really exist the left's fabricated reality Mike, but here are a bunch of 'em.

But it's useless to argue with an "open-minded" "liberal" leftist. Things that don't fit their fabricated reality simply don't exist to them.

MikeHow do you "solv... (Below threshold)

Mike
How do you "solve the same outcome"?

I was absolutely certain th... (Below threshold)

I was absolutely certain that Mike was aiming for parody. I was wrong?

In any case, to channel my inner Valley Girl... "This is, like, so not about being fair."

These kids show the unmista... (Below threshold)

These kids show the unmistakable signs of modern public education which, in its drive to "multicultural" and "value-neutral" has given over to such left-wing pablum as we see expressed there.

No nation has ever asked the world's permission to go nuclear. The IAEA has yet to prevent a single nation from going nuclear if it desired to do so. The UN hasn't either - hell, the UN can't even protect people from the UN "peacekeepers," how are they going to protect anyone from anything as scary as nuclear weapons?

Oh, I have no doubt the criminals and dictators who run the place would find a way to make a buck off the authority, though.

As for American nuclear weapons: they were the only things standing between most of the world and the boot of communist dictatorship for forty-odd years.

It is true we did use them to end WWII to save these kids' grandfathers from having to die to do it - and I don't recall anyone from France or Chile lining up to be in the first wave of an invasion of Japan, either.

If the damn schools - here, and overseas - spent half the time teaching history they do rehearsing leftist nostrums and promoting "self esteem," we wouldn't have so many uneducated boobs with paper on the wall today.

I had some thoughts on this... (Below threshold)

I had some thoughts on this very subject back in July on why certain people should have 'em and certain people never should, if you care to take a look:

http://hangrightpolitics.com/2007/07/25/thoughts-on-nuclear-war/

"We could have taken Saddam... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

"We could have taken Saddam to the world court as others and have him stand trial for his crimes."

Yeah, come on guys! He could have waited on appeal until he died just like Milosevic. THAT's justice, not this sham of being tried and executed by the very people you brutalized for decades.

"We could have tak... (Below threshold)
marc:
"We could have taken Saddam to the world court as others and have him stand trial for his crimes."
Actually by that statement it could be argued the nutcase is saying he's in favor of intervention into Iraq's national affairs. (ain't that what they hate Bush for?)

They did the trial, they did the neck stretching. Can't get more justice than that.

>Who should be allowed to p... (Below threshold)

>Who should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons?

The only country which ever had the stones to pull the nuclear trigger for real- The United States.

By the illogic that if one ... (Below threshold)

By the illogic that if one nation can have nuclear weapons, all nations ought be entitled to have their own, every little tinpot dictator who seizes power - even temporarily, overnight - in any country in the world would have the power to strike with nuclear weapons.

We have rights to bear arms in this country, but we don't extend them to the mentally unstable or the criminally violent.

The ridiculous notion that the United States is no better than any other nation has been propagated by our public education system, a contrarian media, and envious detractors everywhere. The simple fact is there is no nation in the world where the individual has such rights, such opportunity, and such freedom as ours. Those who would see moral equivalence with the Chavezs and Castros and Saddams of the world, not to mention the dozens of quiet despots bleeding their countries dry and despoiling their resources, are ignorant, to be most charitable.

The institutionalization of irrational self-hatred represents the greatest threat to our society.

Which country wa... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Which country was it that used the atomic bomb....twice? I can't remember.


I can't recall how many people it killed. Could someone refresh my memory.


Yeah Civil, it's been abund... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Yeah Civil, it's been abundantly clear for quite some that you are historically ignorant. You must've went to school in a city or suburb.

Anyway the answer to your question is: a very small fraction of the number that would have died had the US not used the bomb, and zero Americans. (Another way of looking at it is that it was about the same as the number of very young humans you leftists kill every 3 months.)

Had we not used the bomb more Americans would have been killed in the final invasion of Japan that the number of Japanese that died because of the bombings, not to mention the substancially larger number of Japanese that would have been killed. The reality is that using the bomb saved more lives than it took.

But you're either too stupid to comprehend that, or because you're evil Civil, you'd prefer a larger death count. Based on the words and actions of you leftists lately, I'd say both are true, but more so the later than the former.

Which country was it th... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Which country was it that used the atomic bomb....twice? I can't remember.

United States. (Victors!)


I can't recall how many people it killed. Could someone refresh my memory.

Sure, 275,000 +/-. Oh, and an immediate and unconditional surrender by the Japanese, thus potentially saving 1 million+ U.S. soldiers lives, as well 1-2 million possible civilian and military deaths by the Japanese. Total savings: 3 million +/- lives.

Of course, if you had been alive back then I'm sure you would have been on the streets shouting "No Blood For Tempura!"

P Bunyan,In the sc... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

P Bunyan,

In the school I attended I was taught the correct usage of the verb "to go". You must have gone to school in a city or suburb not "You must've went to school in a city or suburb.

Of course those where the days when education was a highly valued trait for all Americans to have. Of course, that was before republicans decided to leave a certain majority of chidren behind.

Today's republicans can "went" all they want. Isn't going to make a darn bit of difference in their understanding of the complexities of where the real danger lies.

Sort of like the construction that dropping bombs saves lives. I like that one too.

Mencken was right. "the plain folks of the land" have reached "their heart's desire at last. The adoration of the man in the highest office in the land does represent "the inner soul of the people". Morons do attract other morons.

You guys crack me up.

Attacking a typo instead of... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Attacking a typo instead of the substance of the comment is the same as admitting you lost the argument.

Thanks Civil. Try again when you grow up.

many have wondered I see th... (Below threshold)
Mike:

many have wondered I see the age I am...Just so u know I am 13 years old. I have a good idea of what things are and should be based mainly by my social inner-actions in government class. I understand many people on here have their own outlooks and ways of how things should be just as I have the same rights. Bashing what I say on here above is ok as it fits our rights to free speech, however telling me I'm wrong and your right?




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