And one time, a friend of mine that used to live in Utah, he had this friend, see, and they used to go hiking in the mountains. Well, they were walking along this trail and came upon this old abandoned mine and they decided to go in. My friend was like, "No dude, it's dark" but his friend said "Dude it's cool" so they went inside. Anyway there was this big steel door like in a bank vault with all these latches and...

For Heaven's sake.

Sounds like he was on the inside of the wing, not the outside. Don't know about him sleeping on the tire - probably not really a tire because the story says he's already inside the plane at that point. Sounds barely believeable to me.

Mrs Shcherbakov arrived in Moscow and took her son back home to Perm because the family could not afford the expensive hospital treatment.

I thought they had Universal Healthcare in Russsia.

He was drunk. God takes care of little children and drunks.
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In other news, man lifts grizzly bear over head and throws it 645 feet to save his child.

The Daily Telegraph? That's Australia's version of The Onion, right?

Two hours at over 30,000 ft? That's higher than Everest. If he isn't crushed in the well when the wheel retracts, he's dead from lack of oxygen.

Bogus.

What's my clue? Climbing up in an airplane's guts and falling asleep. My other clue? When the Czar banned the sale of vodka at the outset of WWI because his army and society were such a drunken mess, state internal revenues fell by one third. They have a problem over there, starting with the potatoes. That's plural of potatoe.
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You sure are bringing the funny this morning, Paul. I have sent this on to my brother, a commercial pilot. I expect to hear from him later today with the news that he has cracked a rib from laughing!

That reporter who wrote that fake story can probibly get a job at the NEW YORK TIMES,WASHINGTON POST,LOS ANEGLES TIMES,TIME,NEWSWEEK, or any of the other liberal left-wing news rags

The claim is up in the wheel well, a la John Ringo in _Ghost_.

http://www.en.rian.ru/russia/20070927/81327552.html

http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=3780

http://www.en.rian.ru/russia/20070924/80694850.html

Wheel well stowaways are a fairly regular occurrance and while the experience is often fatal, some do survive the experience (see cbs5.com/local/local_story_200130901.html).

"The Daily Telegraph? That's Australia's version of The Onion, right?" Oyster

Actually, Oyster, you and the rest of the Wizpavpuppies would be proud and honored to know that the Daily Telegraph is owned by Nationwide News, which in turn is owned by, -OMG,could it be?- Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.

That would make it sorta like Faux Noise, Republican propaganda arm, or the New York Daily News, another Republican propaganda tool.

The one thing common to all these; they aim the level of their news at the mental (moronic) level of their typical readers/ingestors. That's people like you, Oyster.

Looks like the pearl you are nurturing is just another one of kim's droppings that floated into your shell!

"That reporter who wrote that fake story can probibly get a job at the NEW YORK TIMES,WASHINGTON POST,LOS ANEGLES TIMES,TIME,NEWSWEEK" spurwing plougher

BirdBrain, see #13 to see who hires people like that reporter. It's really the same as the ultimate employer of the Faux Noise staff, the man who has made trash news the world's gold standard, your friend & favorite propagandist, Rupert Murdoch..

Haha! This reminds me of.that twilight zone episode where William Shatner is looking out the window of the plane, and there is this furry 'thing' outside tinkering with the wing. "I'll have what he's having".

French Fry
The level of thought and analysis you bring here insults morons everywhere.

We knew Peter Petrelli would be back some how.

Isn't it time for FF to grow up?

More like time for FF to move on. I know we want this site to have a diversity of opinions so as to keep the ideas fresh and preventing a KOS-like echo chamber, but what exactly is this jerk bringing here besides insults and thread-jacking?

Amen. Never he has never contributed ONE insightful thought.

He has never, that is.

It's fake, but accurate.

The problem is that the Telegraph wrote the story badly enough so that it seemed the kid was hanging outside the wing. Other stories had a more plausible version about him riding inside the wheel well. Now that is USUALLY fatal but from time to time somebody gets lucky and survives.

Paul, forget the tire. But he'd be long dead before that.

....two hours at the height of 10,000 meters at very low temperatures.

Yes, Andrei, given the clothing he was likely wearing, those temps would be enough to kill him in just minutes, not hours.

Literally, he would be frozen solid, like a little Russian Popsicle.

Oops, meant to add:

Even if he's inside the wing, he dies within minutes. And if the cold didn't finish him off first, the lack of oxygen would. He'd be gasping for air like a fish out of water and probably wouldn't be able sustain minimal body functions while under extreme hypothermia.

Oh, and did I mention that he'd likely suffer high altitude sickness would lead to high altitude pulmonary edema or high altitude cerebral edema? Mountain climbers, even properly acclimatized, suffer from it and it is extremely deadly and almost always fatal if help and a ready supply of oxygen aren't available.

If you freeze quickly enough sometimes you can get thawed out again alive. It happens now and again in Minnesota. Same thing, if you're cold enough a lack of oxygen is less of an issue.

The article does make it sound like he was out on top of the wing at first but I was thinking of the scenario in _Ghost_ as well.

These responses took me 0.09 seconds to pull up on google.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stowaway Ok, I know it's just wikipedia, so. . . http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-11-12-stowaways_x.htm Ok, I know it's just USA Today, so. . . http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_200130901.html Yeah, I know the CBS doesn't have much of a reputation anymore, so . . . http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4352745.html This one has a compilation of stories from various sources at the bottom.

These stories are fairly common and well documented. People are much hardier than you seem to believe.

Google is your friend. Or you can just wear the clown makeup, up to you.

Maddog

Hooson:

Paul, I'm going to file a formal complaint with Wizbang network publisher Kevin Aylward over your deleting the comments of another Wizbang writer like myself. I was entirely respectful of you, even in full agreement with your point of view this time. Your actions deserve a formal complaint to Kevin.

Buwawawahahaha!!!

Wall.... meet hooson's hard head.....

So asshat which is it? A complaint over the alleged deletion of "another Wizbang writer like myself" or as the following statement suggests a deletion of your comment.

Geesh, you can't even write a coherent paragraph.

And BTW, may I suggest you lay in a large supply of tylenol to remedy the large headache you will suffer banging your head against the wall.

People are much hardier than you seem to believe.

Seeing as how nearly all of these stowaways DIED how exactly are people "hardier" than we seem to believe, hmm?

Google skills: excellent. Reading comprehension and proper use of the word "hardier": Not so much.

MadDog:

Google is your friend. Or you can just wear the clown makeup, up to you

WOW... look he must be a rosie fan and learned how to use Google, how unimpressive! ('cause you googled the wrong thing, more stories stating the same story proves nothing about how valid it is)

Wipe that clown grease paint of your face and google this:

The early signs of hypoxia generally begin at 10,000 feet. U.S. Air Force aircrews must use supplemental oxygen when the cabin pressure of the aircraft reaches this altitude. (NOTE: The cabin altitude of an airliner and other transport aircraft by design will climb no higher than 8,000 feet.) Without supplemental oxygen, your blood has about 90% of its normal oxygen level at 10,000 feet.

Now maddog perhaps you can explain how this guy survived for two hours at a level three times 10,000ft and at something LESS than 90% of the normal oxygen level AT 10,000ft?

And BTW, it took exactly 0.35 of a second to find the answer and it was first on the list.

Why is my straight man a pig?
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From your resident ex-flight surgeon:

Time of useful consciousness at 30000 feet is a few minutes at best. I've been in an altitude chamber and can attest to the rapidity you experience unconsciousness. After that you pass out and tissue damage from hypoxia can continue to progress. Brain tissue is the most sensitive, and the related retina a close second.

Once unconscious, and hypothermic, you MIGHT last a while, but likely have significant hypoxic brain damage and blindness as likely sequelae for a prolonged exposure.

Then there's the slight problem of decompression sickness - while coming back down from altitude squishes out all those nasty bubbles of nitrogen, the significant damage to brain and other tissues from the PROLONGED time at altitude can be irreversible.

Still, though almost all wheelwell stowaways die, there are one or two well documented survivors. Ya never know.

The boy was so frozen his clothes couldn't be removed and though revived he's going to lose his fingers. There's no indication he was conscious when they found him.

It's not impossible, no matter how improbable. The cold is why a lack of oxygen didn't kill him. That the cold didn't kill him is a fluke that happens from time to time with people who fall into very cold water or are out in a blizzard. It's not unheard of.

It probably does make a difference that the doctors who saw him were from Moscow and not from Florida. I was trying to find the reports about people living after being frozen or drowned that I remember from living in Minnesota. I found one story about a toddler in Idaho (or someplace) and the emergency room doctor said something like, "when you've got someone cold and dead, you warm them up first to make sure."

Unlikely, yes. Impossible. No.

And if he wasn't breathing at high altitudes he's not going to get the bends.

I not sure how someone can rightly use facts that contain generally and likely as proof that a freak event didn't happen. Those terms admit that it doesn't always happen that way. Also the safety practices of Air Force crews don't prove much either.

The real question should be how it could happen regardless of how improbable it may seem. Synova gave one possibility with the instant freeze. Maybe the wheel-well just happened to be airtight on this particular plane and instant. Maybe the boy himself is unique. Freak things do happen.

It reminds me of the Mythbuster show. They attempt things a few times and if they can't do it then they come to the conclusion that no one can and it didn't happen.
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I'm very suspicious of the story but one never knows.

See, I think hijacking a thread and making swing wildly off-topic as nogo does ad nauseum, deserves his comment being deleted.

Actually, nogo should be deleted entirely. He's a waste of perfectly good air. But that's a subject for another time.

Carbon offset, delete nogo war!

>Paul, I'm going to file a formal complaint....

Make sure you fill out a form 213 slash J, in triplicate but scratch out "Machine Gun" and replace it with "Ice Cream Maker"

>Your actions deserve a formal complaint to Kevin.

Would you like my mommy's email address too?