She looks kinda hot in that wrap. I'd hit it.

I live in Denver, and the media coverage around here has lots of pictures of the students involved. For the record, the chicks involved in leading this effort are smokin' hot.

Of course they're hot. The best part of going to college is the ridiculously good-looking left wing kids who know how to find great pot, aren't sexually repressed, and throw great parties.

I'd hit it too.

She looks kinda hot in that wrap. I'd hit it.

Me too. Where's my bat?

I can't get over there's a High School Student Worker Club. What's their motto: "Death to the fascist insect that preys on the life of the people"?

Heck, I might even tie her up in that flag first, and make her say

"Look, he's repressing me!!! See the violence inherent in the system!!!"

While I hit it.

Ah, I'm goin' to hell for thinkin' those thoughts, aren't I?

I don't have a problem with "under God" but I do have a problem with forcing kids to make pledges to flags. I would prefer to ditch the entire pledge.

Student Workers Club. Sounds like Young Communist League membership will be offered any day now.

Growing up to be a nice little carpet eater. Probably has a nice tat on her back to express her independence and subliminal hatred with male society.

Against the Pledge?!?!

Do you know what the pledge is? You're pledging allegiance to your country. Read the darned thing line by line. It's a statment that you are indeed an integral part of the United States of America, as symbolized by the flag the pledge is being made to.

Don't want to pledge allegiance? Fine. Get out and become a citizen of a different country. One where the people are divided, with no liberty or justice for anyone (or at least not all).

Hmmmmmmm. What countries come to mind with those characteristics? Rwanda. Iran. China. North Korea. I'm sure others can think of more.

Well, ESN, you shouldn't worry too much as there's no such place as "hell", but you might want to pause for a moment and consider whether or not you feel comfortable treading in
John Derbyshire's waters. :)

And SotG, joking about beating a female high school student with a bat? You so funny! I bet you could beat up like twenty girls with whom you disagree! I admire you.

I'd hit it too. Right in the back of the head with an open hand. Hard.

Oh, go buy a sense of humor hyperbolist.

Besides, she'd be legal in less than a year. ;p

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, part of one planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all."

But maybe I'm wrong.

ExSuNuc:

Ah, I'm goin' to hell for thinkin' those thoughts, aren't I?

This ex-Skimmer (OSC SW) thinks you spent more than enough time "in hell" already and will be spared any further meetings with beelzebub.

And for the record, I'd not only hit it, but smack that ass a few times as well. I mean why not, with that flag she is "advertising" a peace right?

Well, ESN, you shouldn't worry too much as there's no such place as "hell", but you might want to pause for a moment and consider whether or not you feel comfortable treading in
John Derbyshire's waters. :)

And SotG, joking about beating a female high school student with a bat? You so funny! I bet you could beat up like twenty girls with whom you disagree! I admire you.

I've been saying for years: if we want to improve our public schools, take the "compulsory" out of education. Public chools in neighborhoods can become what that neighborhood wants it to be. Then, if a student/parent doesn't like the rules, the student doesn't have to go there. They can move, start their own school, or not go at all.

I'm tired of school administrators dancing around to satisfy a very small handful of people.

wtf... sorry, my browser is loopy. If somebody wants to delete that last one... and this one.....

Some of you may not be aware, but there are some conservative religious groups that don't like the pledge because they feel pledging to the flag is a form of idolatry. Some feel that you shouldn't pledge your allegiance to anything but God.

I am aware of some churches that do not allow their children to join the Boy Scouts because they say the oath puts "God and my country" on the same level of importance, which they feel is wrong.

Some of you may not be aware, but there are some conservative religious groups that don't like the pledge because they feel pledging to the flag is a form of idolatry. Some feel that you shouldn't pledge your allegiance to anything but God.

They are just as loopy as the rest.

Hope you weren't looking for a gotcha moment as someone tries to defend them.

You're pledging allegiance to a symbol. The pledge itself, I might add, was written as part of a marketing campaign for Youth's Companion, a magazine in the late 19th century that was, you guessed it, selling flags. Despite being written for a Christian magazine, the original pledge contained no reference to God. It also referred to it as "my flag," since you were supposed to say it to the flag you bought from the magazine. Really, you're pledging allegiance to a commodity, and one probably made in China. Might as well pledge allegiance to a can of Pepsi.

It was the Knights of Columbus who introduced "under God" and campaigned to have it officially amended. Since it was the '50s, and we were anxious to distinguish ourselves from them dirty godless commies, they succeeded, 1st amendment be damned.

In any case, pledging allegiance to a flag is something for oppressive (and usually militaristic) nationalistic societies, not the United States of America. I have no problem professing my commitment to uphold the Constitution, but pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth is for the simple-minded. That's why they have kids do it.

I was just teasing, ESN. Derbyshire likes 'em as young as 12. In eastern Europe, men typically date a lot younger than themselves, and who knows about all of those underdeveloped or illiberal societies? My friend in Jordan's father has three brides, ranging from about 20 to 55 years of age. He says it's hell living with a step-mom five years younger than himself who is way hotter than anybody he's ever had the pleasure of knockin' boots with. :)

marc,

So you are writing off large chunks of the Lutheran church as "loopy"?

mantis

but pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth is for the simple-minded. That's why they have kids do it.

Of course "simple-minded" school kids fits right into the agenda of many doesn't it? That's why they, lemming-like, join the Military. Right mantis?

Just because certain religious sects are mainstream in the United States, doesn't mean they aren't loopy, Rance.

Oh, btw Cassie,

And there's of course the obligatory "separation of church and state" argument, a phrase which actually appears nowhere in the Constitution.

Do you believe the absence of that exact phrase means the separation of church and state doesn't exist in this country? The phrases "checks and balances" and "separation of powers" aren't in there either. Hmmm...

rance:

So you are writing off large chunks of the Lutheran church as "loopy"?

How about all the "believers" are loopy? Happy now?

Couldn't you be a bit MORE offensive to the millions of American school kids? Come on asshat, let it fly, I know you have it in you.

You're right, grammar school kids (which is what I meant by "kids." I never had to recite the pledge past 6th grade) are just as wise and experienced as adults. Sorry for saying otherwise.

Of course "simple-minded" school kids fits right into the agenda of many doesn't it? That's why they, lemming-like, join the Military. Right mantis?

I'm pretty sure you need to be an adult to serve. Last I checked, anyway.

Oh, come on, marc. Do you disagree that children are of simpler minds than adults? They're typically more curious, yes, and possess a far greater capacity for uptake of information, but they are simpler. And anyway it's not necessarily a pejorative term:

simpleminded: free of deceit or guile; artless or unsophisticated. [Random House Unabridged, 2006]

Exactly.

You're right, grammar school kids (which is what I meant by "kids." I never had to recite the pledge past 6th grade) are just as wise and experienced as adults. Sorry for saying otherwise.

I'm pretty sure you need to be an adult to serve. Last I checked, anyway.

Correct, and 18 is considered adult and they sign on the dotted line without parental consent. And many do so while 18 and still in HS. And reciting the Pledge, BTW

But that's the point you fail to see. Many claim otherwise, they claim those "poor little" eighteen year olds are somehow coerced into joining because they also believe these "kids" are of "simple minds."

But that's the point you fail to see. Many claim otherwise, they claim those "poor little" eighteen year olds are somehow coerced into joining because they also believe these "kids" are of "simple minds."

It's not a point I fail to see, but rather an argument that I reject. I don't think of those that join the military as kids, or simple-minded (well, some of them surely are, but that's true of any group). That you have to take other people's arguments and erroneously apply them to me shows you don't really want to bother doing any thinking, but would rather just lump everyone you dislike into one category with universal opinions and perspective, and argue against the flimsiest straw man you can construct.

Too bad for you the world, and the people in it, are a little more complicated than that. Nice try.

Why are we allowing this thread to get off topic from discussing how hot these chicks are? Those girls have amazing asses.

More of this PC popycock i mean this is just part of this NEW WORLD ORDER and the sinister plans of the iluninaty i mean its a wonder they dont have ONE WORLD UNDER GAIA as the eco freaks would want

mantis:

That you have to take other people's arguments and erroneously apply them to me shows you don't really want to bother doing any thinking,

Lets see, you opine in your experience the Pledge was only recited up to the sixth grade (you know, eleven year olds) as an excuse to use the phrase simple minded.

Yet this post is about high schoolers who range in age between 16-18 who are far more able minded and sophisticated than eleven year olds.

With thinking like that, who needs a brain.