And nothing says "taking care of the troops" like calling them cold-blooded murderers, does it, al-Murtha?

Keep talking Murtha, whatever you do, don't stop talking! 'Cause every time you call this a "Republican War" you get people off the fence and over to our side.

Worthless, pork-gobbling jackass.

Pelosi has already called this DOA. Murtha is posturing for a cabinet-level position in the new Democratic administration.

One thing I don't understand here is how fighting in Iraq somehow prevents the United States from undergoing the same sort of religious demographic transformation that is taking place in parts of Europe.

Phony patriot Murtha stepped in it now. Just when things are looking up in Iraq, the board is all green, progress being made across the board -- it's time to surrender.

Ask yourself why would Democrats want to surrender now? Why stomp all over the sacrifices made by our soldiers and their families.

Raise taxes, fund socialism and gun control. Democrats are easy to understand once you realize what the formula is.

Spending money to fend off your country's enemies instead of wasting billions funding socialism must really pain the Democrats.

Mr. Murtha angrily denied that their approach would imperil soldiers already on the battlefield, saying Congress could provide enough funds for basic needs through the annual defense appropriations bill currently under consideration.

I wonder if the "basic" needs includes money for enough ammunition to fight their way out of Iraq when retreat is sounded by a democrat administration? I wonder if "basic" needs includes the sealift to pull them off the beaches of Iraq?

The chairman also said he will soon introduce legislation for a war tax surcharge for all Americans -- except members of the military and their families -- to cover the conflict's huge costs. The tax, he said, could add as much as 15 percent to the federal income tax bills of the wealthiest Americans, while low- and middle-income Americans would pay about 2 percent.

Has Mr. Obey forgotten that a huge amount of democrat supporters/donators are in that wealthiest tax bracket? Maybe Murtha and Obey need to pull together the democrat party that controls the congress and get legislation passed to stop the war.

I wonder if "basic" needs includes the sealift to pull them off the beaches of Iraq?

Yeah, look at all those beaches.

Someone call Miss South Carolina, it looks like we have a victim of the map shortage here!

Can the republicans withold funds for the DEMOCRATS (neverending) War on Poverty?
Talk about a quagmire.

Mantis -

Sealift IS the primary means to transport the heavy stuff, and Iraq does have some pretty good ports. So does Kuwait. Iraq isn't landlocked like Afghanistan, but it's certainly not as beachy as Qatar.

He didn't happen to mention an apology to the Marines did he? Naw, didn't think so.

I see billtb is following Rush's lead and calling veterans that oppose the war "Phony".

Classy way to support the troops.

I'm pretty sure we would sealift out of Kuwait, if we were leaving, which we won't be.

Mantis, you're being petty. Is there a purpose for that? Have you accomplished something?

This tax - do they realize that it would affect all their wealthiest anti-war donors? Yep, that's the way to get their votes!

""We're going to take care of the troops. Period," he said."

How, Mr. Murtha? Can you clarify that?

Again and again it is proven by the left that they care NOT for the military. In this case, they are just a means to an end. ww

Barney:

I did not realize that Jessie McBeth qualifies as a veteran. I thought you had to finish basic before you could be called a veteran.

Or did you plug your ears and go "la la la la la" for the next three minutes after Rush said he did not like "phony soldiers."

Oyster, is it so hard for you to believe that there are rich people who don't mind paying high taxes? Limousine liberals, as they are so derided, are at least selfless enough to put their money where their mouths are.

If you think Iraq doesn't have beaches, you haven't been there. They are not great beaches, kind of dirty etc, but there are some. They also have some pretty good port facilities since they import and export huge amounts of materials by sea.

The White House doesn't care about the military:
"Operationally, British forces have performed poorly in Basra," said the official. "Maybe it's best that they leave. Now we will have a clear field in southern Iraq."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/03/nbrown603.xml

Way to slander your closest ally in the war. I guess Britain is no longer Bush's BFF.

Murtha "Congress could provide enough funds for basic needs through the annual defense appropriations bill currently under consideration."

Quick... someone tell me what are basic needs in a war?
Bullets? - Yes
Food? - Only MRE's (Meal Ready to Eat)
Boots? - Yes
Socks? - Yes
Toilet paper - No, take off your sock, use it to wipe your butt, wash it, rinse it, hang it off your helmet to let it air dry, reinstall on your foot.

I didn't know supporting the troops also had it's economical benefits

Well, I'm familiar with the ports at Basra and Umm Qasr, and I'm familiar enough with the logistics in Iraq and the reality of the situation there to know that if we did bug out (which, again, won't happen), it would be through Kuwait.

Mantis this is what you said...

Yeah, look at all those beaches.

Someone call Miss South Carolina, it looks like we have a victim of the map shortage here! implying that there were NO beaches from which to sealift from. I think you owe someone an apology...not holding my breath.

Dang, blockquote got messed up.
Mantis...

Yeah, look at all those beaches.

Someone call Miss South Carolina, it looks like we have a victim of the map shortage here!

implying that there were NO beaches from which to sealift from. I think you owe someone an apology...not holding my breath.

Well it looked right in the preview.

I didn't imply that there were no beaches, I implied that we would not be leaving through the small coastline that Iraq does have (you know, the one right on the map I linked to; it's next to Kuwait).

Mantis your comment at no. 7 implies that no. 6 needed a map for, I'm assuming what you implied as lack of geographic knowledge. You didn't bring Kuwait into the mix until comment no. 12. Yeah didn't think there'd be any honesty from you on this.

I'm assuming what you implied as lack of geographic knowledge.

His lack of knowledge extends beyond geography, but you'll notice that Kuwait is on the map, so if he had one he surely would have noticed it there. It's also, you know, the route we brought most of the equipment in through, but that would take a bit of knowledge of recent history, something he apparently lacks.

Yeah didn't think there'd be any honesty from you on this.

Well, judging from your comments, I think we can all expect continued stupidity from you.

hyperbolist, is that most of the wealthy have small armies of lawyers and accountants to keep their tax bill down?

Like Theresa Heinz - "embarrassed" to get tax breaks. Please. She took the cuts, didn't she? Kennedy could pay at the higher rate in Mass. He doesn't. If they want to give more, don't itemize. It's that simple.

I've no doubt there are some who don't mind. But they're a tiny minority in reality. Most talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

I'm not criticizing the wealthy because they have money. Many give considerably to charitable organizations. It's a noble thing to do. At least they get to pick who gets the money and how much. What I do criticize is the fact that even in some states where they can opt to pay at a higher rate, they don't, but harp about "tax cuts for the rich".

Don't get me wrong. I don't begrudge them any breaks on their tax bill. They work hard for their money, just like me. But they should spare me the rhetoric. It's a lot easier for a wealthy person to give even another third of their earnings (or to say they would) to the government than it is for others. They'd still live better than most of us. It's an exponential thing.

I notice you're addressing me directly suddenly. You like me, don't you?

That first sentence should read - is that *why* the wealthy...

I edited it and screwed it up.

Mantis said "I implied that we would not be leaving through the small coastline that Iraq does have."

Then you are implying we would leave all our heavy equipment behind, Mantis. How do you think it got there? Through Iraqi or Kuwaiti ports. It did not fly in. It did not go overland through Jordan (which also has a minuscule coastline), Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Iran. It came by sea.

Geeze. Every liberal seems to think you move armies using pixie dust or something.

I see Barney is lying again.

Why can't Murtha just ask his masters at PMA for the money?

Mark L,

Your ability to write is apparent, yet oddly your ability to read is not.

Poor old Craig. The country is being destroyed from within by the democrats in their childesh drive to regain power. More Americans have been killed in Iraq by the democrats support for the terrorist than anything else. Probably over 90% of the deaths put blood on all democrat politicians or voters hands. The blood 3 to 5 million in Southeast Asia wasn't enough for the democrats, they want more. Mental health professionals are going to be one busy group in coming years. I look at Murtha as a second coming of KKK Byrd who no competent mental health professional could rule anything other than so senile he's a danger to himself and everyone around him. Great leadership the democrats for the 11% + -5% (I'll bet on the -5%) that approve of them. No way over 5-6% of Americans are crazy enough to support the democrat led congress, hey that includes Murtha. I count three on here that are in the crazy 5%.

Murtha wants more of his own pork in the bill, then he'll pass it.

"Your ability to write is apparent, yet oddly your ability to read is not."

Thank-you mantis.

Let me say the same about your ability to read. I wish I could say the same about your ability to write.

But I cannot.

Murtha is a traitorous fuck.

Murtha is a seditious asshole.

Murtha is a corrupt piece of shit.

Murtha should be jailed for his crimes.

If Murtha and his buddies get this war tax, will they pay their fair share? I doubt it. The very wealthy won t pay a dime to help out. This tax will be paid by the working stiff, who pays all of the rest of taxes in this country. If the rich liberals do have to pay this tax, look for it to be repealed ASAP. Just as the boat tax was repealed when it hurt them more than it hurt the average Joe back in the 1980s.