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The God Who Votes

Let me begin this article by saying straight out that no one, no one, has sanctioned what I am about to say. So before someone comes back later and claims this represents an organized effort to tie Religion to Politics, let me be clear that this article is my own, unimportant, overly wordy half-processed idea. Your mileage may differ, as the commercial disclaimers say. But to the point, I have found it fascinating and a bit dishonest, how many people whose policies they know are amoral at best, demand that God stay out of things, that His opinion cannot be considered in electing those leaders who will direct the nation's decisions on moral issues. Abortion, war, coercive redistribution of wealth, and the limits on personal freedoms are all expected to be addressed without considering of the simple question about whether the proposed action is the right thing to do. To that, I think it is well past time to voice dissent, indeed to oppose and suppress those who think that Freedom of Religion still disallows a person from voting their conscience by listening to the voice and will of God. It is time for us all to exercise our rights, not lay them down because someone is a boor about how we voice our opinion.

Let me be clear; God is not a Republican, any more than He is a Democrat. Any human political platform is a human construction, and it is sheerest arrogance to presume that we can in any way come close to the Divine Standard in any construction of our own making. That does not, however, deny God's interest in the welfare and behavior of His children on Earth; indeed our leaders should properly consider themselves the stewards of the power temporarily allowed them by the Almighty Hand, and merely Regents of their office, rather than moral authorities in their own right. God has made His will and preferences clear on many occasions, and we would do well to take that into account. While much derided by the Left, the Bible is a true and priceless book for consideration into human nature, as well as the fate of nations which obey or rebel against the Holy Will. Immoral nations fall and fail, of that there is no doubt. And God takes an active and direct interest in His people. Like it or not, if a national leader wants his country to prosper, he must uphold the laws of God and protect those who serve God.

Essentially, God gives His children a lot of freedom, individually and as nations. But certain actions are always out of bounds, and in to commit those acts are to invite disaster. I would suggest the following list of national commandments:

Thy nation shall promote Justice above all else.

Thy nation shall not suppress those who believe in God and live in faith.

Thy nation shall promote Freedom for all people as individuals, except that Justice must always come first.

Thy nation shall not murder babies.

Thy nation shall deal fairly with other nations in commerce, respecting other nations while protecting thine own providers and resources.

Thy nation shall not mock marriage.

Thy nation shall honor thy history and its lessons

Thy nation shall not deny individual rights in order to increase the government.

Thy nation shall respect, supply, honor, fund, and listen to thy soldiers

Thy nation shall not create elite classes with special privileges.


Do not ever forget that God does indeed vote. And in the end, His verdict is the only one which counts.


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Yes! No more murdering babi... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Yes! No more murdering babies! Now which candidate supports mandatory murder charges for women who elect to get an abortion?

The wording of Commandments... (Below threshold)
Dave A.:

The wording of Commandments 1 and 10 worries me, DJ. They could be twisted by those who advocate the nebulous "Social Justice" to justify redistribution of wealth.

That's nice if you believe ... (Below threshold)
patrick:

That's nice if you believe in that kind of thing.

Fave, only a troll thinks "... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Fave, only a troll thinks "social justice" is the same thing as "Justice". But you are right, the need to defend Reality from the Utopians never ends. And #8 stands against the whole Socialism thing.

"that His opinion cannot... (Below threshold)
ChildrenS Do Learn:

"that His opinion cannot be considered in electing those leaders who will direct the nation's decisions on moral issues"

That has got to be the epitome of arrogance...the very notion that one "who talks to God" has a good idea of what God approves.

Tghere would be as many versions of what God wants as there would be voters.

You ignored the Bible, CDL.... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

You ignored the Bible, CDL. It's plain enough when you ASK God what He wants, instead of pretending you ARE God.

So God isn't a Republican o... (Below threshold)

So God isn't a Republican or a Democrat, He just happens to support the Republican political platform 100%. You should talk to your pastor about that if you truly believe it.

You ignored the Bible, C... (Below threshold)

You ignored the Bible, CDL. It's plain enough when you ASK God what He wants, instead of pretending you ARE God.

What is God's view on the Estate Tax?

Look it up, Blue.A... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Look it up, Blue.

And you are truly playing the troll, if you think God is 100% Republican.

But, I guess you have to follow the LefTroll playbook, they don't seem to allow their sheep much independent thought.

How about this one:<p... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

How about this one:

Thou shalt find a way to respect freedom of religion whilst following the Judeo-Christian theology.

That might be an important addition to your list, considering the fact that the United States was supposedly founded upon the idea that the freedom to choose one's religion is the right of all citizens.

Christianity, and a belief in the Judeo-Christian God in general, is a strong force here in the USA--and a valuable part of the national culture. But it's important to remember that it's not THE ONLY religious system, let alone the only valid one.

Look it up, Blue.</p... (Below threshold)

Look it up, Blue.

Look what up? Does God have a position on the Estate Tax?

And you are truly playing the troll, if you think God is 100% Republican.

You are the one who wants to play Moses and tell us all what God truly believes. If you don't understand how arrogant that is then you really should speak with your pastor.

But, I guess you have to follow the LefTroll playbook, they don't seem to allow their sheep much independent thought.

Sorry. I know you guys have no response to our playbook. I will take it easier on you next time.

To that, I think it is w... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

To that, I think it is well past time to voice dissent, indeed to oppose and suppress those who think that Freedom of Religion still disallows a person from voting their conscience by listening to the voice and will of God. It is time for us all to exercise our rights, not lay them down because someone is a boor about how we voice our opinion.

Freedom of Religion does not, or should not disallow anybody from voting based upon their worldview or belief system. Politicians have to be considerate of the fact that they cannot make decisions for others simply based upon a religious belief, since many of their constituents may not follow that same belief--in that way it's a little unfair for a Judeo-Christian to be making social and political choices for a group of, say, Buddhists. That's the whole problem.

If a Buddhist President was elected (I know, I know) I have a feeling that American Christians wouldn't want him/her to base all policy decisions upon Buddhist ideals/beliefs/doctrines.

What Freedome of Religion should do, in my opinion, is make it so that people of differing beliefs can act according to their faith systems, and still be treated respectfully by the rest of the nation. The whole Freedom of Religion thing is basically about not allowing religious monopolies.

I don't know DJ. I'm thinki... (Below threshold)
ted:

I don't know DJ. I'm thinking God is a liberal.
lets look at your points of interest:

Thy nation shall promote Justice above all else. (So give people even in gutanamo a fair trial before you torture them)

Thy nation shall not suppress those who believe in God and live in faith. (Freedom of religion in consituition check, I wonder if he meant in schools. He might lean to the right on this issue.)

Thy nation shall promote Freedom for all people as individuals, except that Justice must always come first. (Don't see how this one is either left or right)

Thy nation shall not murder babies.
(So pass the childrens health benefits)

Thy nation shall deal fairly with other nations in commerce, respecting other nations while protecting thine own providers and resources.

(Maybe should avoid bombing Iran and fighting a war on three fronts)

Thy nation shall not mock marriage.
(By making it a cheap political issue)

Thy nation shall honor thy history and its lessons (Avoid getting bogged down in senseless conflicts like vietnam taught us)

Thy nation shall not deny individual rights in order to increase the government. (Meaning warentless wiretapping should be knocked off)

Thy nation shall respect, supply, honor, fund, and listen to thy soldiers (So when 70% disaprove of the way things are being run pay attention.)

Thy nation shall not create elite classes with special privileges. (End the corparate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy!)


In Matthew 25:31-46, Jesus proclaims that how you treat the hungry, the thirsty, the sick and other "least of these," is how you treat Jesus himself. And if you fail to help the "least of these," Jesus promises, he will send you to Hell.

Here goes the business vote.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Of course I suppose if you believe otherwise it is fair to vote your own consience.

I'm not even going to get i... (Below threshold)

I'm not even going to get involved in this discussion. It took all of 13 minutes to descend into hyperbole.

Then it went down from there.

No Ned, God is a Republican... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

No Ned, God is a Republican, Santa Claus is a Democrat, or so says P.J.

Now, to your points:

Your lie about Guantanamo is noted, especially as you have chosen to believe Al Qaeda rather than the troops Clear enough there;

Socialized medicine is a waste of money, not taking care of children. I guess you missed where Stossel explored all that.

Iran is a terrorist state in every sense of the word. Glad you made it clear you side with against the U.S. ;

Not defending the nation is wrong and stupid. So if you want to let teh terrorists operate without detection, go move to France.

The troops support the war, the mission, and the people of Iraq, not the guys killing troops and civilians. Sucks for you that your fantasy is so at odds with the facts.


And one lst time, you lying moron, tax cuts for everyone, indeed more for the lowest class cannot hoestly be called "tax cuts for the wealthy", but there again, at least your colors are loud and clear.

Context and responsibility are lost on you.

Thy nation can murder non b... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

Thy nation can murder non babies and suppress those who don't believe in God. Which other people can be murdered? The ones God deems unworthy? What kind of suppression should be used? How about just not murdering and suppressing?

Well you are lying on virtu... (Below threshold)
ted:

Well you are lying on virtually everyone of your responses, but why waste time?

If there is one thing I\'ve learned since 9-11 it is that you can\'t argue with a religious fanatic who thinks they have god on their side.

So keep beleiving god votes your way and I\'ll keep beleiving you\'re a religious nut.

I understand your point of ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I understand your point of view, ted. Every time you look at a mirror, you think you see God.

Here's a free clue, Suhnami... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Here's a free clue, Suhnami:

If someone is trying to kill innocent people and you shoot him first, it's not murder.

Now back to France, you hippie.

Wow, nothing like a Christi... (Below threshold)
Wordygirl:

Wow, nothing like a Christian topic to really bring out the trolls. They really hate this stuff.

Great post, DJ.

It was inevitable that such... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

It was inevitable that such a stupid topic would devolve into such a stupid discussion.

Recall the crux of Plato's Euthyphro: is a thing good because God desires it -- or does God desire a thing because it is good? As the answer is the latter, divine command theory is shown to be horse shit. Right and wrong are separate from the will of God, although much of what God wills is certainly good. What is good is not what God decrees, though, but what reason shows us to be the case. When people accept that morality needn't be dressed up in spooky metaphysical trappings, life becomes a lot simpler and more enjoyable.

"It was inevitable that ... (Below threshold)

"It was inevitable that such a stupid topic would devolve into such a stupid discussion."

You started it with your own stupid remark. And then you complain that it got more stupid?

You're so right, WordyGirl, they hate this stuff.

hyperbullshit seems to be s... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

hyperbullshit seems to be some new ager that thinks we cannot know anything about God.

Fact is, if we don't get to know God (and extremely well) through the Bible, and prayer, and applying Biblical wisdom to the world, then we will be up shit creek (I'm paraphrasing).

So if you don't think we can know God's intentions, you're a clueless ass that is serving a negative purpose to the world. God is not some goodly grandfather figure. As C.S. Lewis has allegorized, he is "not a tame Lion". He'll kick your ass. In the Old Testament, he instantly struck Uzzah down dead just because he touched the ark of the covenant in order to keep it from falling off the ox cart (2Samuel 6). He'll do much more than kick your ass.

My initial comment wasn't s... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

My initial comment wasn't stupid, Oyster. Claiming that abortion is murder, but lacking the courage of conviction (or understanding of your own principles) to suggest that women who have an abortion are thereby guilty of murder, is a failure of intellectual and/or intestinal fortitude of right-wing Christians. Either it's murder and those women need to be in jail, or it's not murder and there's no issue.

More generally, this is a stupid topic, Oyster, because right-wing Evangelicals, far-left hippies, Zionists, anti-Semites, racists, vegetarians, communists, libertarians, those who favor the legalization of prostitution, and anybody else with an opinion, can support their beliefs with some sort of religious text. Now determining whose interpretation of the text is correct seems like an intractable problem (not to mention figuring out which text we should be reading in the first place!). The problem is only intractable, though, for people who think religion ought to inform our legal principles.

As the past few elections have shown, neither party really pays much attention to social conservatives anyway, so I think this is stupid and moot.

"the Bible is a true and pr... (Below threshold)
Sophie:

"the Bible is a true and priceless book for consideration into human nature, as well as the fate of nations which obey or rebel against the Holy Will. Immoral nations fall and fail, of that there is no doubt. And God takes an active and direct interest in His people. Like it or not, if a national leader wants his country to prosper, he must uphold the laws of God and protect those who serve God".


I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse. Gen. 12:3 (NIV)


Now back to France you hipp... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

Now back to France you hippie.... awesome. I ask a simple question and get some schoolyard answer.
Still doesn't answer the suppression part, and pardon me for wanting clarification. Did I at all attack your position? Did I make fun of it? Did I 'Troll' it? Nope, simply asked for clarification and this is the response I get. You also didn't answer why we can't say thou shall not commit murder of ANY human. Isn't that like... better? I guess wanting such explanation requires that I leave this country. "Question me and you hate America". Classy.

" When people accept tha... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

" When people accept that morality needn't be dressed up in spooky metaphysical trappings, life becomes a lot simpler and more enjoyable."

Heroine addicts think life is a lot simpler and more enjoyable when they are under the influence of that drug, too. That doesn't mean they are in any way better off than those who are not addicted, however.

In much the same way leftists feel life would be simpler and more enjoyable under a communist government, but the reality is quite different.

nehemiah, I'm a former Cath... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

nehemiah, I'm a former Catholic and current atheist. I think that means I'm not "new age", whatever that is. Anyway, read what you wrote about God in the Old Testament. THAT is a "creator" worth worshipping? What do you learn from reading that crap? That God is cranky and might at any time squish us for eating shellfish or being gay? The fact that that stuff is in there should be reason enough not to read it outside of a purely anthropological context.

As for knowing God's will, how come everybody on Earth who attempts to discover God's intentions arrives at a conclusion that fits their own cultural/economic/psychological prejudices? Nut job in Riyadh: "Allah says death to America!" Nut job in Salt Lake City: "God says marry a bunch of 14-year-olds and send me money!" Which one is right? Neither, obviously. How do we know that? Because people who claim to hear voices and talk to themselves at night are crazy people.

Is Christopher Hitchens a C... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Is Christopher Hitchens a Communist, P. Bunyan? Sheesh...

I know very little about Ch... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I know very little about Christopher Hitchens, hyperbolist. I recognized his name but that was about it so I just read his wikipedia page.

Based on what I read there (even though that's not a very reliable source, at least it's quick and easy) I would have to say that yes, he was a neo-communist, but is much less so now.

THAT is a "creator" wort... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

THAT is a "creator" worth worshipping? What do you learn from reading that crap? That God is cranky and might at any time squish us for eating shellfish or being gay?

What I learn from that, hyper, is that God is holy. He's not like us. Uzzah was a Levite -- it was his life to know things about serving God and how to handle things that are holy. But you know, those kinds of things don't apply to us since about 2000 years ago. But in fact, more is required of us.

Truth is, the story of Uzzah makes me love and respect God all the more. I would have had less respect of His word if He said He would do something then didn't do it. He's wholly consistent and fair. He's different (holy). Also, He is unchanging (he hasn't changed one bit from the time of Uzzah).

I like <a href="http://www.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I like mine better,

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

And I don't need to sell it, because it's already yours as well.

BTW, hyper, what the hell d... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

BTW, hyper, what the hell does Christopher Hitchens have to do with what I posted?

You two do seem to share some religious beliefs, but based on what you've posted here not much other than your belief that there is no deity. He seems to have rejected most of your religion.

And again, I basing this only on a short wikipedia article and your posts on this particular thread which I admit is very little to go on.

Hitchens is a militant athe... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Hitchens is a militant atheist, P. Bunyan, but he's pretty right-wing otherwise.

nehemiah, don't you think compassion is a virtue? Uzzah makes a mistake, so he must die--that shows God to be fair? Also, God's chosen people were Jews (although history doesn't seem to support this). Nowadays, I don't think Christians or Muslims would accept this as true--was God initially mistaken about whom He loved, or did God change His mind?

I respect your personal convictions, but don't share your intuitions. I'm just trying to illuminate why translating religious belief into universal legal principles is a hopelessly problematic enterprise.

P. Bunyan, I mentioned Hitc... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

P. Bunyan, I mentioned Hitchens as an example of an atheist who is a neo-conservative and an atheist, whereas I'm a social democrat and an atheist. The rejection of belief in God does not make one a Communist, nor even a socialist.

hyper,Since you se... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

hyper,

Since you seem to be asking an honest question, I apologize for calling you a name.

Compassion is most certainly a virtue. Not only is God good in the way we want Him to be good (compassionate, loving, etc.), He is more good than we could know. But more than anything (more than love, more than compassion, more than justice), He is holy. The Bible says He is slow to anger, but that doesn't mean that He does not anger.

God loves Israel. Israel has really never loved Him back. But there will come a time in the future where they will turn to Him. I am a non-Jew, and am certainly Christian, but based on my knowledge of the Bible, we are to help Israel at all costs (that means the defense of Israel comes even before our own).

I didn't think you were a c... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I didn't think you were a communist because you were an athiest (even though they are closely associated), hyper, I think you're a communist because you appear to embrace far leftist ideology which I admit is better described as neo-communism than traditional old school communism. The moden left embraces a kinder, gentler communism where your goals are achieved not through physical force but through propaganda, indoctrination, and judicial fiat. (Ever notice how the left dominates the fields of journalism, education, and law?)

However, though your methods are different than those of old school communists, your goals are pretty much the same and the ultimate results would be the same (universal poverty).

It's plain enough when y... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It's plain enough when you ASK God what He wants

I asked Him, DJ, and He says you're wrong about pretty much everything. He'd also like you to stop invoking his name; He finds it irritating.

mantis,and I loved... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

mantis,

and I loved you so much so recently (with your absolutely wonderful post that was in support of Clarence Thomas).

Even though it's late, great going on that (and for posting it).

nehemiah, I understand the ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

nehemiah, I understand the Biblical motivation for buttressing Israel against its enemies, and I also appreciate the strategic reason for doing so. However, I would find a leader that prioritized the survival of another state ahead of his or her own state's to be totally unfit to govern. Also, what does "holy" mean? Beyond reproach? Infallible?

P. Bunyan, I'm not "far-left". However, with media enablers and a very effective conservative spin machine, Americans have come to think of FDR-style Democrats as neo-pinkos. I don't hold you singularly responsible for this misconception; it's taken a few decades for a complacent media and highly motivated and effective conservative activists to get us here. Anyway, if you look at developed liberal democracies with robust social programs, you might not find as many billionaires as in the U.S., but neither will you find as many hungry or illiterate children. I don't see that as having much to do with Communism of any shape or form.

You may not think you're a ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

You may not think you're a far leftist, but if you actually believe: "if you look at developed liberal democracies with robust social programs, you might not find as many billionaires as in the U.S., but neither will you find as many hungry or illiterate children." then you exist in their fabricated reality and thus are one of them.

Do you also belive that their healthcare is far superior to ours?

What does "far superior" me... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

What does "far superior" mean in this case? We'll never be clear on that, but anyway, let's consider South Korea and its socialized medicine. I never waited to see a specialist of any kind (didn't even need a referral!), and paid a maximum of $2 to get a prescription filled. The quality of care was the same as it is here, although the language barrier was obviously an issue for me (but not for Koreans).

There is no meaningful way in which you could say the American system is better than theirs, and in most respects it is not as good. The problems facing Canada's system are a result of a divided electorate, many of whom want a two-tiered system with guaranteed health insurance (including the conservative Prime Minister), but most of whom want the universal system they've had since 1966. As a result, it's still ostensibly universal, but it's not adequately funded. Now before you say "HA! They'd have to raise taxes to keep the ship afloat!", bear in mind that this country consistently produces massive budget surpluses (relative to the size of their economy). So if healthcare were more of a budgetary priority, as it might have been had the Liberal government not been booted out by Francophones disgusted with Anglo-centric corruption, many of the problems that plague their system would be solved.

Trying to simplify things like this to fit onto an ideological bumper sticker inevitably misses many important factors, P. Bunyan. That's why the whole of free market economics cannot be distilled to catch phrases, much as modern conservatives might disagree.

When Saddam was murdering i... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

When Saddam was murdering innocent people in his country, it would have been a sin not to intervene. Same way in Yugoslavia. Same way in Germany. Same way in Italy. Same way in France. Same way in Poland. Anywhere there is injustice to the human condition, the US is there to defend the little guy. Only the left hates that about us.

Be yea not deceived, GOD is not mocked. ww

DJ had the courage to post ... (Below threshold)

DJ had the courage to post what he felt from a religious standpoint, Hyperbolist. All you have the courage to do is tell him he's stupid because you're an athiest and that, by golly, is the only sensible thing.

Read the first two sentences of his post over and over until you get it. He follows with the way he thinks things ought to be. You follow only with your criticism of it without making any claims of how you think it ought to be, thereby avoiding criticism. So cram it.

"Yes! No more murdering babies! Now which candidate supports mandatory murder charges for women who elect to get an abortion?"

People aren't charged with "murder" manditorily even when they kill others. The charges range from manslaughter to varying degrees of murder. Sometimes, under certain circumstances, they aren't charged at all. The sentences are all different depending on circumstances as well.

We're a little more forgiving in this country and a far cry more nuanced than Middle East theocracies where there are no mitigating circumstances and little forgiveness.

I suppose there's a reason you call yourself "hyperbolist".

Back to the Euthyphro</i... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Back to the Euthyphro, WW: is humanitarian intervention good because it is commanded by God, or does God command it because it is good independent of His will? The latter makes sense, and the former, not so much.

Oyster, DJ's post demonstrates nothing other than his own political and religious convictions, dressed up as what God would want. For reasons already given, it's silly to pretend to have a better grasp of God's will than, say, a Muslim who reads the Qur'an. I don't think he's stupid; I think it's stupid to project our own personal religious beliefs into politics, and I think it's insulting, as an atheist, for someone to suggest that without religious conviction, there can be no real source of moral authority.

Anywhere there is injust... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Anywhere there is injustice to the human condition, the US is there to defend the little guy.

Except in all the places we weren't, like Rwanda, Tibet, West Papua, East Timor (we facilitated that one), and now Sudan.

Only the left hates that about us.

Sure, because the right was fully behind Operation Restore Hope in Somalia, right?

DJ - I'm not going to bothe... (Below threshold)
Kat:

DJ - I'm not going to bother to address the previous comments, 'cause a lot of people have already chucked in their two cents...

But I just want to say to you... Thanks. Thanks VERY much! I wish there were more people who would just stand for His Truth, particularly for the absolute "right and wrongs."

Thanks for declaring Him before the world - well done, thou good and faithful servant!

Best blessings,
-- Kat

nehemiah, I understand t... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

nehemiah, I understand the Biblical motivation for buttressing Israel against its enemies, and I also appreciate the strategic reason for doing so. However, I would find a leader that prioritized the survival of another state ahead of his or her own state's to be totally unfit to govern. Also, what does "holy" mean? Beyond reproach? Infallible?

hyper,

It is not just a matter of "survival of another state". It is Israel, and the reason for supporting it is the best way to support our nation. That is what I mean.

"Holy" does not mean beyond reproach or infallible. Holy means that He is different.

By the way, you have asked a couple times whether God desires something because it is good or does God desiring a thing make it good. It is the closer to the latter. Good does not exist apart from God. Whatever God says or does, that is good. Instead of saying that something becomes good because God desires it, I would say that God desires it and therefore it is good.

I "love" it when a c... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I "love" it when a commenter comes here, calls a post "stupid", then bombasts the rest of the commenters with endless rhetoric about the state of things according to their more learned point of view.

I loved your post, DJ, not only for its wisdom and simplicity, but that it came from your heart. Especially this:

"Like it or not, if a national leader wants his country to prosper, he must uphold the laws of God and protect those who serve God."

Unfortunately, because many people don't have enough faith to believe in these simple emotional and spiritual truths, America is losing it's grip on the real strength it once had. Our government has become corrupt by ingoring all the original Commandents God had laid down for us to follow. Rationalizing behavior in order to gain wealth and power has corroded a good portion of the foundation we started out with. I would place this blame everyone (including myself) who has lost sight of these simple truths. As you said DJ, God is not Republican or Democrat, but he is the one who expects us to live up to the standards we impose on others. Again, great post, DJ!

God?Yeah ri... (Below threshold)
dr lava:


God?

Yeah right.

Would that be the God that my friends parents, elderly and Catholic, were praying to as they drown in the attic of their home in New Orleans?


Well hyper, all I can say i... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Well hyper, all I can say is I wish we could all live in your fabricated reality. Not worth saying more as I've found its not really worth arguing with someone who attemps to introduce facts not in evidence.

P.S., sorry I got off topic DJ. I know that bothers you posters sometimes. I thought your post was great. I just wanted to feel out the new devout leftist religious fanatic.

lava,Many (I'm afr... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

lava,

Many (I'm afraid it's actually most) Catholics are not Biblical Christians. Not that that's the reason for your friend's tragedy.

But the answer to your question is, "maybe". I'm not sure who they were praying to.

I have no problem, really, ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

I have no problem, really, with anything that DJ is putting forth, since much of this is based upon his worldview and conception of "God."

My question is whether he, and others here, are willing to respect other views about who and what God is.

Do not ever forget that God does indeed vote. And in the end, His verdict is the only one which counts.

Sure, as long as "God" covers every American Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, and any other recognized faith system here in the USA.

Is everyone ok with that? I hope so, because that's written into our Bill of Rights.

It may be time for some folks to realize that they aren't the only ones who have strong ideas about who and what God is.

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What precisely constitutes "any other recognized faith system here in the USA" anyway?

Does it include those who worship goats, and those who sacrifice goats in their rituals?

God is God. He don't need no stinking badges. You may worship Him through any method you choose, but recognize that worshiping a turnip doesn't make it God.

It's not that God is a Republican, of course. It's that he keeps getting rudely excluded from Democratic meetings. After a while, even a Diety might lose patience . . .

The issue of God is very mu... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

The issue of God is very much like lefitist political ideology in that it's based entirely on faith and for the most part not backed up by fact.

Christians may believe that the Bible is the word of God, but the fact is, it was written by humans and edited (many, many, many times) by humans and translated from dead languages by humans (pretty much just like every other religious text in the world). It may have been divinely inspired, but that is a matter of faith, not fact (just like the leftist worldview).

(Btw, I'm am in no way suggesting the right's political ideology is 100% based on fact, merely that is substancially more factual and reality based than that of the left.)

Personally I've chosen to study all the worlds religions and I've found many comonalities amongst them. It is upon those comonalities (which I consider to be the basic truths of God) that I base my religious beliefs. The differences are mostly technicalities and human constructions, not divine ones. At least that's my thoughts on the mattter.

But then again I'm a very liberal person in most respects, unlike any leftist or Democrat I've ever known.

Anyway, I see a lot of what I perceive to be those basic truths in D.J.'s "commandments".

Jim...What prec... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jim...

What precisely constitutes "any other recognized faith system here in the USA" anyway?

Ya, that wasn't really worded very well. The basic point is that there isn't just one idea of what "God" is, let alone how to worship God.

But I'm sure you already know that.

God is God. He don't need no stinking badges.

Now you're missing the point, Jim. God is God for YOU, but not necessarily for everyone else. And the whole idea behind "Freedom of Religion" is finding ways to respect and accommodate that fact. This isn't just about what you believe, but what the rest of the USA does as well--and they're not all Christians, if you haven't noticed.

It's not that God is a Republican, of course. It's that he keeps getting rudely excluded from Democratic meetings. After a while, even a Diety might lose patience . . .

And I think it's pretty funny that you really think God is concerned with the politicking of our Republicans and Democrats. I don't recall reading anything about either of them, let alone the USA in either the Old or New Testament...




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