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The Silent Majority

Steve Schippert asks a relevant question about what might be a silent majority.


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Unlikely. More likely they... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Unlikely. More likely they're just unwilling to admit it (even to themselves).

In reality that's about a... (Below threshold)
RobLACal:

In reality that's about all there is to the lying loony left. 25% at best don't forget to factor in 15% for the Democrat media/election fraud then the never ending voter fraud as well. Numbers vary depending on what they can get away with.

I hope you're right Rob. A... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I hope you're right Rob. Actually when I think about it, the big three socialist candidates all said in the last debate they could make any promises about pulling out, so that was hopeful.

They're ashamed of being so... (Below threshold)
kim:

They're ashamed of being so bloodthirsty. Well, and the oil. And Halliburton. Oh Hell, my man; war is not the answer.
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There will always be people... (Below threshold)
Allen:

There will always be people against any war. The majority of Americans are against the Iraq war because it was FUBAR from the word go.

And how is all this war debt going to be paid for? Raise taxes? I hope not. Now a story is coming out that Iraq just bought 100 million in military equipment from China. If that is true, then what the hell is going on.

I have always said President Bush made two mistakes, first was invading Iraq, and the second was staying there. We had the momentum, should have gone right threw Iran and Syria, and this mess might have been solved, at less expense and loss of life of our soldiers. The hell with the loss of lives on the other side.

And it isn't just the lefties that are against the Iraq war, it's people from both parties. Maybe we should just pull out and then nuke the whole damn area. Might solve a lotta problems.

There's a Turkey in there s... (Below threshold)

There's a Turkey in there somewhere Allen. But what the hell, why stop in Syria?

Shit Fire, he's got the who... (Below threshold)
kim:

Shit Fire, he's got the whole world, in his hands, he's got the whole world in his hands.
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Allen, there is and was not... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Allen, there is and was nothing FUBAR about the war in Iraq. We deposed Saddam, which was the stated aim of the Clinton Administration circa 1998. Those who opposed the first Gulf war claimed we would lose 10k men to the enemy to accomplish something they said could not be accomplished. In spite of what the left tells you, aqi is on the ropes, there is not now nor has there ever been a civil war and Iraq has a democratically elected government for the first time ever. The opposition there is probably more loyal to Iraq then Democrats are to America. You can strive to have a secular middle east not under a caliphate or with the meddling of those who would suffer under Sharia law, endanger the lives of free men everywhere.

The question asked was NOT ... (Below threshold)

The question asked was NOT "was invading Iraq a good idea?" OR "was there a better policy option?" OR even "should we get out of Iraq now?"

The question was: Do you agree or disagree that "the world would be better off if the United States loses the war in Iraq?" (Italics added).

If you cannot understand the question, there is no requirement you demonstrate your ignorance by blurting out some random opinion. You may simply skip it - it doesn't count towards your final grade. Honest.

HOWEVER, should you choose to ignore this sound advice, remember that your nonsensical blatherings may be used against you as evidence of utter stupidity, mmmkay?

A word to the wise is sufficient; words to the unwise are like pearls cast before swine.

It is helpful, however, to ... (Below threshold)

It is helpful, however, to actually see the poll question and results (wonder what the top 39 questions were and how they may have shaped answers below them?):

40. Do you personally think the world would be better off if the United States
loses the war in Iraq?
Yes No (Don't know)
25-26 Sep 07 11% 73 16
Democrats 19% 62 20
Republicans 5% 87 8
Independents 7% 76 17

I don't want to spend the time formatting it, but 11% of respondents answered yes, including 5% republicans and 7% independents.

More important, are the Don't Knows, which ran 16% overall and came in at an impressive 17% among independents and 8% for GOP.

What's also odd about the poll is the emphasis on religion in the questions they show and the skewing of the sample.

Note the under polling of independents and a slight over polling of democrats:

dem, repub, independ, other, refused/don't know

25-26 Sep 07 39% 34 20 3 3
11-12 Sep 07 44% 33 19 1 2
21-22 Aug 07 37% 35 20 3 5

other polling organizations run much higher than 20% independents.

All in all, a very odd poll, statistically speaking.

Note the under pollin... (Below threshold)

Note the under polling of independents and a slight over polling of democrats:

Thanks Rick....we'll keep in mind your concern about over polling Democrats as we move into the election season. Something tells me that what you find odd (perhaps offensive?) about this poll relates more to the actual question asked, not the statistical integrity of the sample.


Democrats as we mo... (Below threshold)
Democrats as we move into the election season. Something tells me that what you find odd (perhaps offensive?) about this poll relates more to the actual question asked, not the statistical integrity of the sample.

I'm actually interested in transparency. I'm not the one touting findings from a poll reported from 3rd-hand examination of the results.

There are 39 questions above the Iraq question that are not revealed.

There is one question on Iraq, No. 40.

Questions 41-44 are questions about pray.

Missing from the results was any meaningful mention of methodology (go to a Pew poll results page, for instance, and you'll find entire documents detailing selection techniques, randomization techniques, rechecks (asking the same question with slightly different wording to check for consistency), etc.

If you've never taken a graduate level class on polling or a stats class with a strong polling component, there are a lot of things that influence outcomes including length of poll, randomization of questions, wording of questions, rechecks, etc. So yes, it's helpful to see what questions came before.

The best gut-check for representative sample is to compare sample against sample against sample across a number of polls.

All I'm pointing out is that this poll's sample deviates significantly from similar polls by other organizations when it comes to party identification.

That, coupled with a lack of transparency as to methodology, the other questions and sampling technique at least requires some thought.

Aren't you tired of all the polls by all parties being touted without at least a bit of objective scrutiny by someone, preferably yourself?

Join the:

American Society for Political Methodology
http://polmeth.wustl.edu/

for a better understanding of polls and techniques.

Polls now form opinion bett... (Below threshold)
kim:

Polls now form opinion better than they test it. I think polling has split into two entirely different critters. There is push polling, and there is internal polling. What you see is not what they get.
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You are transparent, by the... (Below threshold)
kim:

You are transparent, by the way.
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