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Liberal Child Abuse

Several recent events of late have appalled me as I see politicians -- especially those on the left -- hiding behind children to further their political agenda.

A couple of them revolve around President Bush's veto of the massive expansion of the S-CHIP program. Instead of trying to make their case for upping the kids potentially covered by 50% and raised the cost by $35 billion dollars in a rational manner, they trotted out the kiddies to mouth empty platitudes and make hollow gestures. They had a 12-year-old boy "rebut" Bush's weekly radio address, and last week they had a bunch of kids pulling red wagons (presumably NOT "Made In China" with lead-based paint, but one can never be too sure these days) full of petitions signed by kids asking Bush to reconsider his veto.

I don't like kids being used as props. I don't like it no matter who does it, for whatever reason, but this one truly rankles me. It's been a long time since I've seen such a flagrant move to bypass actual, intelligent debate on an issue and go straight for pure emotion and sentimentality. Those of us who point out that the expansion is covering a LOT of children who are already covered by health insurance, who note that basing the funding on a cigarette tax is not only regressive as hell but a very shaky foundation, and whether or not it should even be the role of government to provide health insurance for people making multiples of the official poverty line are accused of "not caring about children" and other such emotional folderol.

But simply using children as mouthpieces, while reprehensible, is nowhere near as bad as trying to turn them into spies on parents. And that's apparently what's going on in Massachusetts. According to one talk-show host, the state is now requiring pediatricians to grill their patients -- without any reasonable grounds for suspicion -- about their parents.

According to Graham (and I have absolutely no reason to doubt him -- unlike certain other hosts that station has employed, he has no track record for just making stuff up), his 13-year-old daughter was asked -- in private -- about her parents' possible drinking, smoking, drug use, gun ownership, and... well, I think I'll let Mr. Graham's own words speak for him:

"The doctor wanted to know how we get along," my daughter continued. Then she paused. "And if, well, Daddy, if you made me feel uncomfortable."

Great. I send my daughter to the pediatrician to find out if she's fit to play lacrosse, and the doctor spends her time trying to find out if her mom and I are drunk, drug-addicted sex criminals.

Apparently, these sorts of questions are to be considered part of routine exams of children. The notion that the doctor should not bring up such subjects unless they have even the slightest suggestion that they might be relevant, that merely asking them can plant such horrific thoughts in otherwise-safe children, is not considered a form of abuse in and of itself. And that they are asked without the parents' presence, consent, or even knowledge won't do a damned thing to undermine an otherwise-healthy parent-child relationship... I guess I'm just being paranoid.

It seems that to people like the Democrats in Congress and the American Academy of Pediatrics, the most heinous form of child abuse is to simply let kids be kids. Why bother letting them alone to enjoy their childhood when you can use them as political pawns and informers?


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the most heinous form of... (Below threshold)
gringo:

the most heinous form of child abuse is to simply let kids be kids.

This line got me, because I'm one of those 80's kids who spent the whole decade trembling about the idea that Reagan was about to commence the nuclear war.

Libs have always HATED the notion of childhood. Or maybe it's just baby boomers. I always thought that what happened was, the 60's idiots thought back and said "wow man, I didn't learn about all the problems in the world until I was, like, an adult man. We need to fix that."

So, they got to enjoy their carefree childhood, but decided that "never again!" could that be allowed to happen. Now kids have to toss and turn at night about homelessness, nuclear war, global warming, AIDS, Africa, racism, you name it!

And it's all because some narcissistic peter-pan adults feel bad that they had a good childhood, and didn't have to start worrying until they were 21 and in college.

gringo - Somehow that's not... (Below threshold)
ken:

gringo - Somehow that's not the 80's I remember when I was a kid (born in '69). Mostly my thoughts were about last night's Met game or tonight's game, mindless TV shows, music, all the new technology - CDs, computers, video games,books, school and girls.

Well, I am one of the "duck... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Well, I am one of the "duck and cover" kids of the 50's and 60's. I also remember Democrat Lyndon Johnson's commercial of a little girl in a field of flowers getting blown up by an atomic bomb. The dems history of USING and ABUSING children is long. Look at what Hollywood does to the children on T.V. and movies. Look at what advestising does to children. That is the true abuse. ww

They had a 12-year... (Below threshold)
marc:
They had a 12-year-old boy "rebut" Bush's weekly radio address, and last week they had a bunch of kids pulling red wagons (presumably NOT "Made In China" with lead-based paint, but one can never be too sure these days) full of petitions signed by kids asking Bush to reconsider his veto.
Yeah, that's the ticket.

Raise taxes on cigarettes so those that can least afford it and smoke the most get slapped with the bill, Americans with disabilities.

If you really want to get b... (Below threshold)
Clay:

If you really want to get bent about what's happening to children today, read Ayn Rand's essay titled The Comprachicos. Here's a sample:

"The comprachicos (child buyers) were strange and hideous nomads in the 17th century. They made children into sideshow freaks. To succeed in producing a freak one must get hold of him early; a dwarf must be started when he is small. They stunted growth, they mangled features. It was an art/science of inverted orthopedics. Where nature had put a straight glance, this art put a squint. Where nature had put harmony, they put deformity and imperfection. The child was not aware of the mutilation he had suffered. This horrible surgery left traces on his face, not in his mind. During the operation the little patient was unconscious by means of a stupefying magic powder.

"The production of monsters--helpless, twisted monsters whose normal development has been stunted--goes on all around us. But the modern heirs of the comprachicos are smarter and subtler. They do not hide, they practice their trade in the open, the results are invisible. In the past this horrible surgery left traces on a child's face, not in his mind. Today it leaves traces in his mind, not on his face. In both cases the child is not aware of the mutilation he has suffered. Today's comprachicos do not use narcotic powders. They take a child before he is fully aware of reality and never let him develop that awareness. Where nature put a normal brain, they put mental retardation. To make you unconscious for life by means of your own brain, nothing could be more ingenious. They are the comprachicos of the mind. They do not place a child into a vase to adjust his body to its contours. They place him into a school to adjust him to society."

The paranoia that the gover... (Below threshold)

The paranoia that the government instills with this crap not only affects the kids but the parents as you so clearly stated.

My three year old grand-daughter had a bruise on her leg from playing and falling down. When my daughter took her to the doctor for something completely unrelated, the doctor grilled her over it and told her that if she showed any more bruises at a subsequent visit, she would have to "report it".

Last week her two daughters got in a fight over a toy and the six year old hit the three year old with the toy they fought over. It was close to her eye and left a small temporary mark. Unfortunately, the three year old was scheduled for a regular check up the next day and my daughter was a wreck over it, afraid that this doctor would report her for suspected abuse.

This climate of fear has gotten out of hand.

"I don't like kids being us... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"I don't like kids being used as props." Jay

You mean you only when Democrats use kids as props, but it's OK for conservatives:

"MORGANTOWN, W.Va. "They'll all burn in hell, every one of them," said Malachi Green, one of the protestors.

Though he is only nine years old, Malachi is already well versed in anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality messages. Youth is no excuse for "ignorance," according to the nine year old's parents.

"You're never too young to be touched by God," said Denny Green, Malachi's father. "

When you have no honesty, i... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

When you have no honesty, intergrity, moral values, or sense of hypocricy the is no low to which you will not go.

That is the essence of the modern American Democrat Party.

That's why the "neo-cons" switched sides-- the "neo-comms" were taking over the left.

You mean you only when D... (Below threshold)
Clay:

You mean you only when Democrats use kids as props, but it's OK for conservatives:

Barney, do you never see the fallacy of your logic? Bad behavior is never excusable by citing bad behavior. The politicizing of education will go down in history as the most heinous of mankind's sins against children. The guilty find themselves at both ends of the political spectrum. Now, use your mind and try saying something intelligent for a change.

That is the essence of the ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

That is the essence of the modern American Democrat Party.

That's why the "neo-cons" switched sides-- the "neo-comms" were taking over the left.
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Bunyan is right on as usual.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/242691.php


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Bush and the snowflake kids... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Bush and the snowflake kids would be to easy...
On 9/11 President Bush was doing a photo op at a grade school in Florida. Instead of telling these kids, "I have to leave to do President stuff"
He stayed in that African American classroom after he KNEW. Pet GOAT
So please...yep..Dems use kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WztB6HzXxI

Great Barney, comparing a n... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Great Barney, comparing a nobody to someone that 'was' at one time a trusted professional (doctor) or a left wing political office holder who is a full court press to destroy the 1st Amendment. Just think, if Dirty Harry Reid gets his way and destroys Rush for something he didn't say then you will no longer be allowed to post your always wrong garbage on here. We (Americans) have spent billions of dollars broadcasting the voice of freedom (voice of America) to oppressed people around the world, it now looks like this operation will have to move out of America (forced by socialist/communist democrats) and broadcast back to the oppressed in America. The always wrong democrats are slowly but surely destroying freedom in America and the democrat sheeple are following the herd and eating the crap they drop.

Gratutituous and irrelevant... (Below threshold)
kim:

Gratutituous and irrelevant, nogo. Feeling a little down this AM for the can of whupaass Bush thought up that morning for al-Qaeda?
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Snowflake?<a href="h... (Below threshold)
nogo war:
Pet GOATRea... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Pet GOAT

Really? This is the best that your mind could conceive when you read the post? Astounding.

According to Graham (and... (Below threshold)
Matt:

According to Graham (and I have absolutely no reason to doubt him -- unlike certain other hosts that station has employed, he has no track record for just making stuff up), his 13-year-old daughter was asked -- in private -- about her parents' possible drinking, smoking, drug use, gun ownership, and... well, I think I'll let Mr. Graham's own words speak for him:

What in the Unholy name of Hypocrates was Graham or his spouse thinking when they let a 13 year old girl alone with a doctor? Do thy have a functioning brain cell left in their Mass saturated head?

My wife and I have succesfully raised two daughters, one of whom is still a teen. We've never left them alone with medical personnel. You are leaving your child defenseless with strangers when you do this. You open up the window for abuse, questioning/grilling such as reported and lots and lots of misunderstanding about what the medical problems and possible fixes are.

What a Maroon.

Another story about the Sta... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

Another story about the State's unconstitutional and chilling intrusion into private lives. One step closer to misbehaving time.

If you haven't started already, you better be getting ready. Network with your old comrades and stock up. 2008 isn't looking too good, and the 2010's will be a financial disaster with a likely collapse.

BarneyMoron is so kneejerk.... (Below threshold)
Michael:

BarneyMoron is so kneejerk...it is like he is 14 years old.

Matt has a good point there... (Below threshold)

Matt has a good point there. A parent should demand to be present at all times.

I would.

it is like he is 14 year... (Below threshold)
Clay:

it is like he is 14 years old.

Developmentally speaking, perhaps.

" recent events of late... (Below threshold)
DragQueenforPrez Rudy '08:

" recent events of late have appalled me as I see politicians -- especially those on the left -- hiding behind children to further their political agenda." and

"I don't like kids being used as props"

Note in this link the recurring photos of-guess who- using children as props. And these are only a handful of hiskid-ops over 7 years.

"Matt has a good point t... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Matt has a good point there. A parent should demand to be present at all times."

The Democrats in Mass. probably outlawed that to make it easier to win malpractice lawsuits.

A wide bipartisan majority ... (Below threshold)

A wide bipartisan majority of both the Senate and the House actually voted to raise cigarette taxes by a mere $7 billion a year to help to discourage tobacco use and to help pay for the billions of dollars of damage done to the health of children by secondhand smoke.

Unfortunately, the big corporate leaning U.S. Supreme Court has protected big tobacco from the same product safety and air pollution rules applied to all other American businesses, but a new bipartisan proposal in Congress with over 150 backers would subject tobacco to FDA regulations and reduce the health dangers from this deadly product that will kill 50% of all users who continue to smoke as well endanger the health of nonusers through secondhand smoke.

New FDA regulations could also reduce the average 30,000 housefires each year caused by cigarettes that don't self-extinguish, and endanger lives in apartment structures and the lives of firemen needlessly. In Portland, Oregon for example Guardian Management which manages 8,000 rental properties has gone smoke-free to reduce health and fire dangers as well as tobacco related damage from smoke or burns to their units. In addition smokers cause at least 800 grass fires a year in Oregon, and are responsible for several forest fires each year as well. Cigarette litter continues to be the most common litter on streets, beaches,parks, etc. and should be subject to the same deposit policies as soda cans to reduce this problem. If stores want to profit from selling cigarettes, then they should be required to handle a 5 or 10 cents per cigarette butt deposit and return program to reduce litter and fire damage from carelessly disgarded cigarette butts, or else get out of selling cigarettes. In addition smokers could be licensed and made to attend classes that teach proper areas where to smoke and proper fire safety techniques or even required to post a fire safety bond that they forfeit if they cause a fire out of carelessness and damage property, endanger lives or ruin a forest.

Many who smoke also abuse alcohol and drugs as well, and are high risk to carelessly cause fires. Tighter FDA regulations can help to reduce both the health and fire risks from this potentially deadly product and improve public health and safety.

Its as heinious as ENVIROME... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

Its as heinious as ENVIROMENTAL DEFENSE using kids in their rotten TV ads pushing this GLOBAL WARMING poppycock i mean one ad shows a child standing on R.R. tracks while a train is comming while some jerk blabbering about the dangers and reality or GLOBAL WARMING another shows kids saying TICK,TICK,TICK, while blabbering about this GLOBAL WARMING poppycock i mean they are unscruplous and ENVIROMENTAL DEFENSE should be shot at dawn for these rotten TV ads

Many who smoke also abus... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Many who smoke also abuse alcohol and drugs as well, and are high risk to carelessly cause fires.

I know, I know, and they also have a propensity for chewing their fingernails. Check your premise. Have you asked the first question yet?

Of course, this is OT and a... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Of course, this is OT and all.

Paul Hooson, just a quick q... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Paul Hooson, just a quick question: Do you often notice people dozing when you're speaking to them? A professor once told me that there is an economy to be observed in communication. Economically speaking, you have a glut.

"The politicizing of educat... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"The politicizing of education will go down in history as the most heinous of mankind's sins against children. " Clay

You mean like enacting no child left behind but not funding it, and using it over and over again in political speech like Bush does.

I'm glad that we are in agreement.

You mean like enacting n... (Below threshold)
Clay:

You mean like enacting no child left behind but not funding it,

Yeah. Like that. And you'd think that the current Democrat-controlled congress would be all over that, huh? Do you think that providing funds for NCLB could make Bush look good? We couldn't have that, could we? So again, children are forced into the role of pawns by both sides of the aisle. Wouldn't you agree, Barney? And how have you asked your member of congress to address this problem? Huh?

This is good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Do you think that provid... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Do you think that providing funds for NCLB could make Bush look good?

BTW, that question places many issues in the same cubby, if you substitute NLCB. Hell, substitute Bush. It's a target-rich environment, no?

Of course, I'm not advocating going OT again.

Larry Craig should hold his... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Larry Craig should hold his next press conference at a grade school.

He should pull a "Gonzales" and say that he wont resign because of the children.

He should pull a "Gonzales"... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

He should pull a "Gonzales" and say that he wont resign because of the children.
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And that 's why the liberal propagandists want to put the Clintons back in the WH so that they can pull another Waco on American women/children.

At least, the Reps are calling for Craig to step down, the liberals are enabling the Clinton culture of corruption. BTW, the large majority of Dems in the Congress are intentionally lying alongside the Hillary hate group Media Matters. Lying the standard mode of operation on the left now. And they have willing shameless propagandists.

BTW, if Larry Craig were a ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

BTW, if Larry Craig were a Dem, he would have gotten a standing ovation (like Gerry Studd) since that is the liberal way of caring about children (whoopi Goldberg trying to suggest sth children-friendly to the Pelosi).

Really lovie? What crimes ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Really lovie? What crimes did Gerry Studd admit to?

Barn-commie, So yo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barn-commie,
So you think Gerry Studd should get a standing ovation from the Dems? Thanks for confirming the liberal care for children. No wonder you support Hillary hate group Media Matters. Liberals must love Clinton 's way to deal with women/children at Waco. That 's why she is beating Obama by 33%.

Barn-commie, And yo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barn-commie,
And you must love the mocking of the Catholic Church by Pelosi 's SF constituents. THat 's so children friendly that you are willing to support a party of liars now.

Catholic priests really sup... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Catholic priests really support the children. Especially the alter boys.

And that 's why you support... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

And that 's why you support the mocking of the Catholic church? Should the Catholic church weed out the "gay" abusing priests now? Or you want it both ways?

Barn-commie,
Did you claim to be a Catholic? So are you trying to pull a Pelosi on the open mocking your church? Wonder why they don't mock the "religion of peace" when many gays have been openly executed.


Go back to the thread. This... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Go back to the thread. This sounds like a communist policy: taking the children away from the parents so that the state can indoctrinate them. Looks like that has been the liberal policy - to destroy the traditional family.

Just like their communist brethren, propaganda is their tool: the poor and the children. Based on historical and contemporary evidences, it is probably wise to treat what they claim as lies until proven otherwise.

Now imagine how much worse ... (Below threshold)

Now imagine how much worse this will be when medical care is paid for and regulated in its entirety by the Federal Government.

Which, of course, is the most horrible consequence of that policy. It give the government a million more avenues to control and spy on the citizens.

Which, of course, is the... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Which, of course, is the most horrible consequence of that policy. It give the government a million more avenues to control and spy on the citizens.

That's right. All in the name of taking care of us. Whatever happened to individual responsibility? They're probably in the same hole as individual rights.

Don't forget Spouse Abuse. ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Don't forget Spouse Abuse. All men are considered guilty and no one cares if you try to prove them innocent.

A wide bipartisan ... (Below threshold)
A wide bipartisan majority of both the Senate and the House actually voted to raise cigarette taxes by a mere $7 billion a year to help to discourage tobacco use and to help pay for the billions of dollars of damage done to the health of children by secondhand smoke.

So Paul, high tax rates on cigarettes discourages tobacco use, but high tax rates on income don't discourage income creation? Your stated purposes seem to be at odds with each other. First you want more income, but at the same time you want few cigarette users. If the second part works, fewer dollars will be coming in, so the first purpose fails.




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