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Obama: I don't need no silly flag pin

Wearing a flag pin has been almost a prerequisite for politicians. While not wearing one in and of itself is not a shocking offense, Barack Obama's reasoning for why he decided not to is a little bit strange:

An eagle-eyed reporter for the ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, noticed something missing from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., lapels.

"You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?" the reporter asked, at the end of a brief interview with Obama on Wednesday. "Those have been on politicians since Sept. 12, 2001."

The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself."

But Obama didn't say that.

Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

...

"I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart," Obama said Thursday while campaigning in Independence, Iowa.

"You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. And you show your patriotism by being true to your values and ideals. And that's what we have to lead with, our values and ideals," Obama said.

Of course, if he had said that in the first place, he might have avoided any controversy.


What's the best way to protest the war in Iraq? Why, stop wearing a flag pin, of course! That'll show those warmonger, bloodthirsty, anything-for-oil Republicans!!!

And Obama wonders why he has the reputation of a junior senator with no experience and no common sense. Instances like this (and this and this and this) prove that time and time again, he just doesn't know when to shut up.

Hat Tip: Gateway Pundit


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Comments (106)

Mr. Barak Hussein Obama is ... (Below threshold)
Joe:

Mr. Barak Hussein Obama is an empty suit and a apostate muslim.

He doesn't have a chance.

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!"

Guess what? Hannity wasn't wearing a pin on last night's show!

If a flag pin on your lapel... (Below threshold)
crazy:

If a flag pin on your lapel projects the wrong image, Senator Obama better take a look at his logo, website, campaign backdrops, etc. There's an awful lot of flag imagery there for a fellow that doesn't want to be associated with those phony flag-waving patriots...

I think Obama needs to watc... (Below threshold)
jp2:

I think Obama needs to watch this on repeat. How unpatriotic.

http://www.americawestandasone.com/awsao.swf

On a related note, last week I noticed that Clinton's lapel was 1.5 to 2 times bigger than Romney's. What kind of values does Romney have besides hating America?

Tom Brokaw had it right:<br... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Tom Brokaw had it right:
Brokaw argued that if you wear a flag pin, "it's a suggestion somehow that you're endorsing what the administration is doing"

Another outrageous thought ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Another outrageous thought flag crime. When will it stop?

If I were running for presi... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

If I were running for president I'd probably wear a flag pin. Obama's not wearing one per se is not an important issue in my mind. However, I would entertain the notion that one of Obama's handlers may have pointed this out so on cue the reporter "notices" and asks the question about the lack of a flag. If in fact, it IS important for Mr. Barack and he thinks wearing a flag became a substitute for people speaking out on issues important to national security then I would say, hello????, where have YOU been. Why don't you sit out 2008 and try again for the presidency in 2012.

ORGANIZER: Uh...o.k., you'r... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

ORGANIZER: Uh...o.k., you're checked in. Here's your AIDS ribbon.

KRAMER: Uh, no thanks.

ORGANIZER: You don't want to wear an AIDS ribbon?

KRAMER: No.

ORGANIZER: But you have to wear an AIDS ribbon.

KRAMER: I have to?

ORGANIZER: Yes.

KRAMER: See, that's why I don't want to.

ORGANIZER: But everyone wears the ribbon. You must wear the ribbon!

KRAMER: You know what you are? You're a ribbon bully.

ORGANIZER: Hey you! Come back here! Come back here and put this on!

Barney:"i... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Barney:

"it's a suggestion somehow that you're endorsing what the administration is doing"

Partisan bullshit.

Let's put it this way: Are all the fans of the Atlanta Falcons wearing the team colors endorsing Michael Vick's dogfighting?

Anyone that wants to be president of this country shouldn't have an aversion to wearing a pin with our flag on it. It's not the Bush administration's flag, remember that.

16 "When you fast, do not l... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

I guess the conservative rightwing, knee-jerk critics have forgotten the words of Jesus!

Let's face it: Obama wants... (Below threshold)

Let's face it: Obama wants to appeal to the sizable constituency in the Democratic Party who use the flag for toilet paper.

"Empty suit" is about right. Whoever told this moron he was qualified to be President must have been suckled on the same Chinese toy imports as Barney (to this day, his favorite flavor is "paint").

What's lost on Barney is th... (Below threshold)

What's lost on Barney is the long and convoluted answer to a stupid question. What Barney does seem to have gleaned from all this is "Phony Christians!"

*rolling eyes*

So what if he's not wearing a pin. It was a stupid question, which makes it sound like a planted question. He just botched it. This seems to be a recurring theme with the Democrats.

Barney, I think you over-in... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Barney, I think you over-interpret scripture. Alternatively, I believe it is in Matthew that Jesus warns about practicing piety in order to be seen by other men. Obama's omission of the lapel pin is an attention getter - a personal statement, a way to set himself apart. I suggest again that his reasoning that not wearing a lapel pin is a response to the lack of dialogue on issues of national security is clearly a fallacious one. Issues of national security have been under very intense debate since 9/11.

Bush wears the pin and he l... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Bush wears the pin and he let OBL off the hook (twice) and got us involved in a quagmire in Iraq. I wont even get into the spying, torture and lying stuff.

I think Obama is right on target.

It is funny how you never see Rush wearing the pin.

Barney,Good job on... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Barney,

Good job on ignoring my post. Then again, your brain appears to about a year and a half behind.

You manage to use 'quagmire' despite evidence to the contrary as well as using the word 'stuff' to explain how evil Bush apparently is.

At least try to give us a challenge.

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!"
O-My God Mitt is not wearing a flag pin!!

http://www.mittromney.com/img/Photo_Gallery/2.1.07_NH/20070201_mount_cube1_LRG.jpg

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!"

O-My God Sean is not wearing a flag pin on his portrait on his book cover!
http://www.celebratelove.com/gifs/hannity.jpg

Or here:
http://www.s9.com/images/portraits/12823_Hannity-Sean.jpg

Or here (posing with stripper or hooker?):
http://www.hatehannity.com/media/1/20070313-hannitybunny.jpg

BarneyMoron is on a roll...... (Below threshold)
Michael:

BarneyMoron is on a roll...grade school must be out.

The standard political r... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself."

Agreed, and we could've lived with that. But noooooo....

Instead B.O. had to have an "Open Mouth, Insert Pin" moment.

What a dunderhead.

Yep, real commander-in-chie... (Below threshold)
COgirl:

Yep, real commander-in-chief material there.

Our commie propagandist has... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Our commie propagandist has moved on to other hate groups, besides Hillary lying hate group Media Matters.

40% of democrats either think or not sure that American victory is better for the world.

Since the dem is a party of liars now and their supporters have to lie to justify their support, we shouldn't be surprised to see this (it is beyond parody).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2184177,00.html
Bill Clinton: Hillary wants me to restore image of US

bahdad barney:... (Below threshold)
marc:

bahdad barney:

I guess the conservative rightwing, knee-jerk critics have forgotten the words of Jesus!

Sum bitch! Just when I'm fresh out of troll food.

Not to mention pinless.

No school today or Monday. ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

No school today or Monday. Lucky you!

Maybe you can get Jim Broussard (labeled as a patriot by FOX News) to pin that American flag he stole and disrespected to Obama's chest?

Maybe you can get ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:
Maybe you can get Jim Broussard (labeled as a patriot by FOX News) to pin that American flag he stole and disrespected to Obama's chest?

I hear ya Barney, burning it is a little more your style.

I hear ya Barney, burning i... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I hear ya Barney, burning it is a little more your style.
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Yup, if Obama burns the American flag, he may get 40% of the Democratic votes.

But I guess Clinton had a record of kissing up to American enemies and acting tough on American women/children (eg. Waco and Broadrick etc...). Not sure what Obama can do to exceed this record and to close the 33% gap.

yeah, yeah, yeah. pot meta... (Below threshold)

yeah, yeah, yeah. pot metal pins and magnetic ribbons trump serious thought all the time around here.

It hurts to see the conservative movement reduced to such natty tatters on it's way out.

It hurts to see the conserv... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

It hurts to see the conservative movement reduced to such natty tatters on it's way out.
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And that 's why the liberals are so proud of the party of liars that they are willing to make Hillary the front runner.

Barney, please understand h... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Barney, please understand how much you are missing the point here. Citing others who are not wearing a flag pin is irrelevant. Look on the web at pictures from the Democratic debate. You will notice most of the candidates are not wearing a pin. It is no big deal. What is a big deal is one of Obama's handlers prompting a reporter to ask the question to Obama and, in return, getting some trite response. Get it???? The failed pomposity of it all?????

It hurts to see th... (Below threshold)
Heralder:
It hurts to see the conservative movement reduced to such natty tatters on it's way out.

No, it hurts that your candidates have a problem with wearing the flag of the country of which they wish to be president.

Well that and all the creeping socialism. Good luck!

Obama stopped wearing the p... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Obama stopped wearing the pin because he knows that his supporters think patriotism is really just mindless jingoism and that's so passé in Hollywood these days.

Barney, please understand h... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney, please understand how much you are missing the point here.
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Barney is simply a propagandist for the party of liars. We should not expect him to see the difference. Noone is making a big deal of someone wearing or not wearing the pin. Obama is the one who made a big deal of his decision not to wear a flag pin. It seems that he is trying to close the 33% gap with the defeatist left. Maybe he should burn the flag now to catch up with Hillary. But the Clinton had a well known record that liberals seem to love. Not sure what Obama can do further.

I see the chickenhawks are ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I see the chickenhawks are out in force today waiving their hankies as if about to faint with a "spell" and cluck cluck clucking about symbols. You have nothing of substance to offer so keep on clucking about those symbols.

"Barney, please understand ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Barney, please understand how much you are missing the point here. "

I do no not think that I am. I have posted scripture, Brokaw and Hannity. All are relevant to he topic. The Hannity quote came from the ABC article, and I want to know why "self proclaimed" patriots like Hannity is so often photographed (such as on is book about "true Americans") is not wearing the flag pin when he is criticizing Obama for not wearing the pin?

Too many of our politicians use the flag as a shameful prop. There was a republican congressman that was running for office in my district (can't remember his name) that passed out (4th of July parade) garbage bags printed with the American flag. Luckily he lost.

I don't care that he doesn'... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I don't care that he doesn't wear one. I do care about what he immediately said when asked why he didn't. That is telling. ww

It is telling isn't it? Tha... (Below threshold)
JFO:

It is telling isn't it? Thank god there are people here willing to stand up to this failed president and his failed policies.

It is telling isn't it? ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

It is telling isn't it? Thank god there are people here willing to stand up to this failed president and his failed policies.

By not wearing a pin he's standing up? On your best days, you're clinically retarded. And today's not looking like one of those days. Tomorrow not looking good, either.

JFO:It is tell... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

It is telling isn't it? Thank god there are people here willing to stand up to this failed president and his failed policies.

So... are you staking out your claim as one of the 19 percenters?

Oh... and BTW:

"Wearing a flag pin, flying the flag, pledging allegiance to the flag, talking about the values that are important to America, teaching your children about what a great nation you have, standing up for those values, speaking out ... there's just so many ways that one can demonstrate patriotism," Clinton said at a Chicago fundraiser.

How about a demacratic donk... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

How about a demacratic donkey wearing a dunch cap its eyes looking at one another and its tounge haning out and DUUHH printed beneath it

"..standing up for those va... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"..standing up for those values, speaking out ... there's just so many ways that one can demonstrate patriotism," Clinton said at a Chicago fundraiser. from marc

marc, that is pretty much what Obama said:
"I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

marc is in agreement with Clinton and Obama.

Why does any of this matter... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Why does any of this matter? Obama can't open his mouth without inserting his foot - he's light years behind Hillary! now. The only way he could ever get the Democratic nomination is if Hillary! has a stroke. And even then he'd probably lose to Edwards.

The guy is a pathetic candidate. It's a testament to the weakness of the Democratic field that he has any exposure at all.

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

marc is in agreement with Clinton and Obama.

Ignorance ignored.

JFO:I see... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

JFO:

I see the chickenhawks are out in force today

That's right JFO, our flag is for chickenhawks! You tell em.

You have nothing of substance to offer so keep on clucking about those symbols.

Symbols? I think our Democratic presidential candidates should wear little aborted fetuses on their lapels. If they can't be proud of our flag and that it symbolizes our country they can go for something they at least stand for.

Thank god there are people here willing to stand up to this failed president and his failed policies.

Thank God you're falling back to your robotic stammering instead of addressing the issue. Makes it easier to win an argument when one side can't focus on the subject.


Barney:

Too many of our politicians use the flag as a shameful prop.

At least now you're being honest about how you feel.

This morning I was on Denve... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

This morning I was on Denver's 16th street Mall..
I saw a lot of Purple (Go Rockies)but not a single flag lapel pin. Maybe it is different in your town.
I am sure all of you flaming Obama wear your pin to work everyday...
I don't need Obama, or anyone to wear a flag pin.
Rush wear that pin nowadays? Ann C. ?
As the Republican Party shrinks to a level that as Grover would put it 2008 will see it "down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

I fly a flag outside my house...and will until all U.S. combat troops come home. I also have a sign that reads "Bring the troops Home where they belong" How many of you folks fly our flag outside your residence every day...

This is all you have?
What is worse Obama not wearing a pin or FDT thinking the Soviet Union exists in the 21st century.

"It may be that Thompson doesn't talk loud because he's not too sure of what he's talking about. In an interview with Kay Henderson of Radio Iowa on Monday, he referred to the "Soviet Union and China." At the end of her blog post on the exchange, Henderson wrote, "No, I did not mistype. Thompson said Soviet Union rather than Russia."

of course I would not be a true moonbat without a Grateful Dead quote

"Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime
Done come and gone
My oh my"

What is worse Obama not wea... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

What is worse Obama not wearing a pin
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Again, noone cares about Obama not wearing a flag pin. But looks like Obama wants to send a message to the MoveOn leftists that he is with them. The next thing he should do is to burn the flag and to pronounce it proudly and repeatedly to make sure that everyone pays attention to him. Maybe that will help him catch up with Hillary. Wonder why the Clintons seem to have a command lead in the Dem primary. Maybe they are good liars that the liberals swoon over.

I love how JFO just finally... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I love how JFO just finally ADMITTED that our flag is a shameful prop. I LOVE IT when dems/libs admit they hate America, instead of doing the usual dance. Now this is the real "truthout."

HeralderAddress th... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Heralder

Address the issue? You're kidding aren't you? You prove my point. There is no substance in this ridiculous argument. A pin? He doesn't wear a pin? And that proves what? The "great American" Hannity from Fox at whose feet you folks drool doesn't wear one - though he crowed mightily about Obama. Cripes the fool Hannity has a link on his website to all the Republican candidates, not one of whom is wearing a pin.

As I said Heralder, you folks have nothing of substance to talk about and so you chickenhawks dither and blither about nothing.

How simple it must be for y... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

How simple it must be for you.
Moveon only two syllables.
All of your problems moveon...
Your alcholic best friend...moveon
The drought or flood moveon..
A 20% in insurance cost out of your paycheck?
moveon

Can we agree?...that we can never know the pain sorrow and loss...that these brave troops
know...http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/05/america/NA-GEN-US-Missing-Soldiers.php
Bless them...Bless those that did not return....may they feel the embrace of family and a nation...that are glad they are home..

(If the biggest problems in in your life are moveon...then you have a pretty good life.)

sorry for the messed up lin... (Below threshold)
nogo war:
MarcI don't give a... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Marc

I don't give a sh** what Clinton said about this issue. You're a bigger fool than I've thought if you really think this issue means anything - well except to the chickenhawks.

JFO:The "great... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

The "great American" Hannity from Fox at whose feet you folks drool doesn't wear one - though he crowed mightily about Obama. Cripes the fool Hannity has a link on his website to all the Republican candidates, not one of whom is wearing a pin.

But all those not wearing a pin aren't the subject of the post, Obama is the object of this thread.

Too bad some in this thread have been diverted by your diversionary BS.

JFO:well excep... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

well except to the chickenhawks.

And you're a larger fool for using that term. And doing so in a thread about someone who by your apparent definition fits the label as well.

BTW, which of those Dem candidates for Exalted Ruler are you in favor of assuming the chickenhawk label in Jan. 2009?

(If the biggest problems in... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

(If the biggest problems in in your life are moveon...then you have a pretty good life.)
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THat 's why we have so much fun watching folks like Obama trying to kowtow the Moveon hawks, who called a general a liar. That 's why I guess liberals supported Clinton, a draft dodger. Liberals think it is real courage to slander the US military, be tough on AMerican women/chilrren, to kiss up to AMerican enemies. So I am just trying to help Obama to catch up with front-runner of the party of liars now.

MarcWell of course... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Marc

Well of course Obama and his non-pin is the subject because, for the third time now, you chickenhawk folks have nothing of substance to talk about. And you nitwit a chickenhawk is one who wants the war but doesn't do jacksh** to be involved in it. Even a moron such as you knows that Obama was against the war from the start.

As for Exalted Rule? Well nothing other than little george bush fits that bill. He is beholden to no one for anything - well maybe momma and papa but I doubt that too.

Marc, Our resident ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Marc,
Our resident liberal propagandists think that real courage is to burn the American flags, slander the US military, to dodge the draft, and to kiss up to the enemies of America. That 's real courage to them. Chickenhawks is simply another lie of the supporters of the party of liars to cover up their dishonesty. IF liberals are honest, Clinton wouldn't have a commanding lead right now. Poor Obama have to make a big deal of his not wearing a flag pin to appeal to the MoveOn crowd.

There is no substance in th... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

There is no substance in this ridiculous argument. A pin? He doesn't wear a pin? And that proves what?
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Another trademark diversion of a dishonest supporter of the party of liars (but he wasn't honest enough to admit it). The question is why Obama made a big deal of his not wearing a pin? The answer is he is 33% behind the lead liar. So that may be to way to get the 40% of his base. Maybe a faster way is to burn the flag and make a stronger announcement since he was an opponent of the war from the beginning. Surprised that Hillary could vote for war and still has a commanding lead. Maybe her husband is a good liar. Maybe the Clintons have a real record of strong dealing with American women/children that liberals like.

Did any of you notice that ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Did any of you notice that Bush was wearing a flag pin today when he lied to America that his administration does not torture?

Maybe that is what Obama was talking about

Barney is trying mind-readi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney is trying mind-reading again, except the last time Obama proved Barney wrong. Hey but what do you expect from a supporter of the party of liars.

I don't care if Obama doesn... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I don't care if Obama doesn't wear a pin 'cause he's not going to be the President, anyway.

Obama says:

"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

Provided he can keep his stories straight, as opposed to: "Scratch that..."

I wish Obama would wear a M... (Below threshold)
Ran:

I wish Obama would wear a Mexican pin!.. for all the good it'll do for his chances. Almost 40% behind shillery. Who gives a SH*T. As for the "Patriot" that took the flag from that "poor store owner".. only wish I'd been there to help. Yep, I'd break the law, after 27 years of enforcing it. Was he a "Chickenhawk"?

JFO:And you ni... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

And you nitwit a chickenhawk is one who wants the war but doesn't do jacksh** to be involved in it. Even a moron such as you knows that Obama was against the war from the start.

So is it safe to say you don't respect my 20 years in the U.S. Navy?

As for Exalted Rule? Well nothing other than little george bush fits that bill. He is beholden to no one for anything - well maybe momma and papa but I doubt that too.

Ignored the question didn't you? Wanna try again?

Which of those Dem candidates for U.S. President are you in favor of assuming the chickenhawk label in Jan. 2009?

JFO,Addre... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

JFO,

Address the issue? You're kidding aren't you?


Yeah, I'm kidding, all your posts haven't been talking about chickenhawks.

MarcYour 20 years ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Marc

Your 20 years in the Navy, as my 6 in the Army, have nothing to do with being a chickenhawk about Iraq. I'm talking about Iraq. Your service? Of course I respect it.

As to your question. It's a stupid question and I don't answer stupid questions. It doesn't even make sense is how stupid it is.

And BTW JFO:Ev... (Below threshold)
marc:

And BTW JFO:

Even a moron such as you knows that Obama was against the war from the start.

Correct, but that's not the issue. The question now is why did Obama wear a pin then when the war was more popular?

Why does he now make an issue of "pulling it off" when both the war is unpopular AND news breaks he's behind not only in total fund raising to Shillary but finds himself over thirty points behind in the polls.

The answer of political expediency would be obvious to most people but not to those that rely on the chickenhawk argument and respond by calling others morons.

As to your question. It's a... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

As to your question. It's a stupid question and I don't answer stupid questions. It doesn't even make sense is how stupid it is.
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Trademark diversion again. Then the chickenhawk is really stupid. If you are not a firefighters, then you cannot support the mission of the firefighters since they put their lives on the line and you do not.

IT is really a stupid arg, and that 's why JFO has to duck and use insults to cover up his stupidity.

JFO:As to your... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

As to your question. It's a stupid question and I don't answer stupid questions. It doesn't even make sense is how stupid it is.

No smart guy, not even you are that stupid, you realize hanging a chickenhawk label on anyone is childish, at best, but you have no other valid argument and avoid a question that would expose you as a duplicitous fool if answered. (not that's it's needed)

MarcYou get your p... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Marc

You get your panties in a wad about chickenhawk but endorse labels like traitor or terrorist supporter et al. But you cchickenhawks wail and and holler like stuck pigs when one rightfully calls you a chickenhawk. It is you who is duplicitous and a fool.

As to your silly challenge. As said now twice it's a stupid question from someone who isn't quite as stupid as the question. You can do better.

Using JFO 's terminology, J... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Using JFO 's terminology, JFO is so stupid to get the hints Marc gave him. All three front-runners of the Dem party (oops, party of liars now) are chickenhawks according to JFO. They talked tough, wore flag pins, voted for the war when it was popular. Those are the real chickenhawks that JFO supported.

Dem party= party of lying chickenhawks

And chickenhawk JFO is proudly supporting his party.

JFO:You get yo... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

You get your panties in a wad about chickenhawk but endorse labels like traitor or terrorist supporter et al.

And you know that for a fact? How? Can you provide any of my quotes that say that?

If not it you paints you as one of two things, either a buffoon scrambling for a response or, if you have searched, for the quotes a blatant liar.

So which is it?

To summarize the "discussio... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

To summarize the "discussion" so far: chickenhawk Obama was trying to catch up with the chickenhawk Hillary to get the nomination for the party of lying chickenhawks. That 's why he has to make a big deal of his not wearing an American flag pin to appeal to his anti-American chickenhawk base.

One more thing, JFO gives u... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

One more thing, JFO gives us another reason why liberals support Bill Clinton. He is a smooth-talking chickenhawk who talked tough but did nothing about Saddam, Iraq, and terrorism. Oops, forgot his Vice-chickenhawk Al Gore warned Bush Sr. about the Saddam 's link to terrorism in 1992. That 's why JFO cannot say anything but chickenhawk since he is supporting a chickenhawk party.

Yeah Marc, I am so enthrall... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Yeah Marc, I am so enthralled with all you write I bookmark them. I stand by my point. Have you ever once disagreed with those who so freely toss those accustaions around? I'll happily eat crow if you can show me when and where.

Back to Obama. Is it the position of all you chickenhawkers that Obama is lying about why he no longer wears the pin? And if so, how do you know? That's "on topic' isn't it?

I'll be looking forward to the answers in the a.m.

Cut and Run chickenhawk JFO... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Cut and Run chickenhawk JFO. Thanks for the giving us the label. It is perfectly applicable to the MediaMatters party now. Liberals are working hard to put the chickenhawks clintons back in the whitehouse to be a chicken to the enemies of America and a hawk to American women/children.

For the record: chickenhawk... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

For the record: chickenhawk Obama: cut and run from AlQ in Iraq, but invade Pakistan, supposedly an "ally" of America. Unfortunately, chickenhawks Hillary has her chickenhawk organization running the MediaMatters party now.

<a href="http://image.guard... (Below threshold)
nogo war:
From DrudgeNYT SATUR... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

From Drudge
NYT SATURDAY: HILLARY HAS $$, BUT OBAMA HAS THE CROWDS IN IOWA... DEVELOPING...

Maybe it is working for chickenhawk Obama. He should burn the flag next and see how far it will take him.

oops I forgot FDT<a ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:
stinkin'moonbat song...but ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

stinkin'moonbat song...but ya know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwXPueu-RM

you folks...talking about whinning Dems..

http://www.flagguys.com/img/uspin.jpg

you folks...talking about w... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

you folks...talking about whinning Dems..
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Yup that 's what chickenhawks do like talking tough about fighting AlQ, but want to run from AlQ in Iraq. Yet these chickenhawks want to attack Pakistan while completely silent about Iran, the main source of violence and terrorism in the Middle East and around the world.


One more suggestion for chi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

One more suggestion for chikenhawk Obama: if he still cannot catch up with chickenhawk Hillary after burning the flag, he should follow in the footstep of his fellow chickenhawks Pelosi and Kucinich. He should go to Syria to be a chicken to the Syrian master then and be a tough hawk strongly condemning Bush and the US. That may help him take over the lead with the chickenhawk MediaMatters party.

Please link to ANY recent p... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Please link to ANY recent photos of Republicans in a debate...Rush...Ann... Sean...Any of your heroes...wearing a flag pin....

ok...Rudi is cool...

This flag pin thing?
By the way...if Saddam snuck all his WMD's over to Syria..why aren't we looking there?

"And Obama wonders why h... (Below threshold)
ChildrenS Do Learn:

"And Obama wonders why he has the reputation of a junior senator with no experience and no common sense."

Oh, and so Obama won't wear the pin as an empty gesture to jack-booted automatons marching to the jingoist's drumbeat; that makes him a junior senator?

As LBJ might have said anout your empty concept of patriotism, "It's as thin as piss on a hot rock."

ah actually Childrens...Oba... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

ah actually Childrens...Obama Is the junior Senator from IL...because he is the junior Senator.....
jist sayin'
oh yeah screw LBJ and his WAR

JFO:Yeah Marc,... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

Yeah Marc, I am so enthralled with all you write I bookmark them. I stand by my point. Have you ever once disagreed with those who so freely toss those accustaions around? I'll happily eat crow if you can show me when and where.

No need to bookmark them (Google would NOT your friend in this case), as I'm sure you know, that's just another way to wiggle out of a asinine and factless statement by you.

If you stand by your point it means you're an asshat who makes ludicrous assertions with zero to support them and make zero effort to back them up when asked.

And sorry my lack any statements of disagreements with those that use the terrorist supporter label or accuse anyone of being a "traitor" is just another diversion by you.

BTW, better search a few threads where ROBinLa or scrapiron have gone off the deep end and used them.

You may be unpleasantly surprised. Not that you would admit it, or bother to look.

Why are you liberal chicken... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Why are you liberal chickenhawks automatons trying to avoid suggestions to help Obama take over the lead for the nomination of the chickenhawk MediaMatters party?

Obama made a big deal about not wearing a pin. So it seems to help. So the next thing is to burn flag to show how empty the flag is in terms of patriotism. If that still doesn't quite make it, then go to Syria and condemn Bush/America. That may propel him to the top.

nogo:By the wa... (Below threshold)
marc:

nogo:

By the way...if Saddam snuck all his WMD's over to Syria..why aren't we looking there?

Better ask The Accidental Diplomat Pelosi, she was there.

ChildrenS -Score -... (Below threshold)

ChildrenS -

Score -

'Jack-booted automatons'?

'Jingoist's drumbeat'?

-5 points for overuse of above cliched phrasing. Damn, Sam, where've you been? Those terms have been friggin' done to DEATH! Sure, you're trying to evoke an emotional response, but those buttons have been pushed so long and hard that the response is going to be more "Oh, bloody hell. Another wanker who can't come up with anything original" than "Oh, we've been called jackbooted whatevers! We've got to defend ourselves to show we aren't!"

Come on, at least TRY to be original in your insults! That's just plain pathetic!

How about - "You unpatriotic ignorant offspring of a syphillitic aardvark and a deformed platypus - how DARE you question our patriotism!" I mean, that one covers a LOT of ground! Disease, beastiality, deformation, miscegenation - and it's funny to boot. Come on, be creative!

As far as patriotism goes - it would seem that the Democrat defintion (or rather, leftist) is "You don't show it, you don't demonstrate it, you don't salute or show the flag, pledge your alleigance, you loudly deride those who do - and the best way to be patriotic is to simply ignore the whole concept and bitch and moan about anyone who DARES question your patriotism, and by the way don't forget to vote the straight Democratic ticket. Only THEN will you be patriotic to us."

So patriotism is only there if you don't look for it. I get it.

Kind of like my vote for the Democrats this upcoming election cycle. It'll only be there if they don't want it...

More and more I'm less and less impressed with the Democrats running for office. It may well be a case of voting for the lesser of two evils this upcoming election. It wouldn't be so bad if they at least had a CLUE - but this performance of Obama's was so 'nuanced' that I just can't see myself voting for someone who expresses himself so obtusely.

After reading this thread I... (Below threshold)
Eric:

After reading this thread I can only come to the conclusion that the liberals on this thread are stupid and reading impaired. Everyone of them has harped on the fact that various Republicans don't wear a flag pin 24/7/365 as if that makes all Republicans hypocrites because of this post.

Let me explain it to you. The problem is not the fact that Obama isn't wearing a pin, it is why he is not wearing a pin. His explanation comes across as if he is ashamed of wearing the flag, which also sounds like he is ashamed of his country.

This is a guy who is running for President of the United States. It is one thing to not support the war, it is another to come across as being ashamed of the country who are trying to be President of.

And JFO your constant Chickenhawk charges are simplistic and childish. Any President may have to lead his country into war. None of the leading Democrat candidates served in the military. Both Hilary and Edwards voted in favor of the war. Doesn't that make them chickenhawks? I don't see Chelsea or any of Edwards' kids in the military. Bill Clinton sent U.S. troops into the Balkans, doesn't that make him a chickenhawk?

Eric, Nice summary. ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Eric,
Nice summary. Simply want to add that liberals love the Clinton 's chickenhawk way of fighting the war: running from the fight at the first loss, fighting from the air only including lobbing missles into empty tents. That 's why Osama Bin Laden thought that Clinton version of America is a country of chickenhawks or paper tigers who would run from a fight. That 's why the terrorists and their allies are now openly cheering for the chickenhawk MediaMatters party.

A little slow on the "news"... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

A little slow on the "news" these days. Another "obvious conclusion"

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjQ2MDRjZjZlM2Y4ZTUwNmI2MTU4MmM0OTVmOWYxMjU=

All that matters is that Democrats get a free hand -- thank you, mainstream media -- to do what they've spent years denouncing as the worst, lowest form of politics. And, unlike Republicans in most cases, the Democrats actually know they are lying. They just don't care.

It would be far better for ... (Below threshold)

It would be far better for all candidates to wear a flag pin. It certainly makes a better impression and avoids having to explain.

"Cut and Run chickenhawk JF... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Cut and Run chickenhawk JFO." LAI

That is rich. Lovie insults American Vets when he ran away from fighting for his country (Vietnam). You got some nerve. My dad went to Nam to help "A" holes like you, and when it was time for you to stand up against the Commies you bravely jumped in a boat and fled to the great U.S. of A.

Welcome to America you coward mother F'er. Enjoy your free speech rights. You and Rush are kindred souls.

YOUR DAD?.. Barnyard..YOUR ... (Below threshold)
Ran:

YOUR DAD?.. Barnyard..YOUR DAD?..LOL.. and you sit there with your self-righteous racism? I knew you were racist, but the depth of your ignorance hasn't reached bottom yet. You weren't there to see the carnage, yet you can judge? MY GOD! What a fool!

Anyone who thinks this ques... (Below threshold)

Anyone who thinks this question came up randomly should go back to school. It's an obvious plant. But that's okay - happens all the time with political campaigns.

The question to be asked is: precisely WHO did Obama believe his "non-waving" of the flag would attract? What constituency could that influence?

As one of the idiot leftists around here is so fond of saying, . . .

Barn-commie, Thanks... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barn-commie,
Thanks for showing your true chickenhawk color again just like your fellow chickenhawk JFO. Run out of arg and have to resort to the trademark liberal sew*ge again!
Trying to lie again, our shameless supporter of the chickenhawk MediaLiar party? Publish your dad 's service info and your name so that we can verify your information. Otherwise, don't act like a chickenhawk. When are you going to your country of preference, North Korea? Oh, you want to stay here and be a commie/AlQ agent while enjoying a good life in the US?

Thanks also for providing a good example of the chickenhawk party: chicken towards the enemies of America (even beyond that enabler) and hawk against fellow American. Indeed a supporter of the chickenhawk MediaLiars party.

BTW, Barn-commie, I... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

BTW, Barn-commie,
I don't believe anything you said until verified given your proven record. But if your dad served in VN, then I really feel sorry for him. His son is really shameless for willingly supporting a MediaLiars party that spat on him and his fellow soldiers when they got back from VN. Now that son is shamelessly using hiding behind the service (that the son and his party so despised) to do the propaganda work for the chickenhawk MediaLiars party (and AlQ/commie).

Rick needs to look up 'natt... (Below threshold)
kim:

Rick needs to look up 'natty', nogo needs to look into Putin's soul and talk to me about the 'soviet union', and JFO needs to try his rickety old chickenhawk wings in real flight.
=====================

I guess I struck a nerve? ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I guess I struck a nerve? Why don't you explain to your sycophants why choose to bravely run away from your country when it needed you the most?

Barn-commie, You ar... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barn-commie,
You are so shameless that you don't even know it. You father would be ashamed. That 's why I think you are lying because it is hard for me to think that a son of an honorable Vietnam vet would be that shameless. I have met a number of honorable Vietname vets and they are all kind of ashamed and apologetic for leaving their comrades and allies behind to fight until the end and many had to risk their lives escaping by boats. We fought until the end for a war escalated by dem presidents, but shameless cut-and-run chickenhawk dems sold out the American ally in Vietnam and America itself.

You are so shameless that you don't even dare to buy a one-way ticket to your country of preference. Why don't you try to jump into a boat to float to Cuba to see how easy and fun it is?

Thanks for pouring out the liberal sewage of racism, bigotry, and hate that you have filled yourself with from your hate-group MediaLiars. Just like your fellow chickenhawk JFO, you are so full of this sewage that you have to spill it out no matter how hard your try to pretend. I think your honoratble dad would be ashamed whether he served in Vietnam or not.


"Why don't you try to jump ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Why don't you try to jump into a boat to float to Cuba to see how easy and fun it is?"

I hear you can get a prostitute for $1.00 a night.

So why don't you tell us why you turned your back on your country?

I hear you can get a prosti... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I hear you can get a prostitute for $1.00 a night.

So why don't you tell us why you turned your back on your country?
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Are you going to teach us how given your experience cheering AlQ and slandering the US military?

Any person who wants to bec... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Any person who wants to become CEO of a major corporation becomes a cheerleader for that company, BIG-TIME. They wear pins with the company logo, they talk up the company slogans, and they NEVER forget that they must respect the office beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Obama is making it clear, he is not serious about the job.

Baghdad barney:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Baghdad barney:

So why don't you tell us why you turned your back on your country?

Maybe because it's none of your G-Damn business.

Maybe because if you did know it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to you.

It wouldn't change your attitude toward LAI in the least. You would still act in a hateful racist way to someone you know nothing about except they left a country in extreme turmoil that was fomented by the forerunners to todays "peace at all costs" lunatics.

DJ wrote:Any pe... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

DJ wrote:

Any person who wants to become CEO of a major corporation becomes a cheerleader for that company, BIG-TIME. They wear pins with the company logo, they talk up the company slogans, and they NEVER forget that they must respect the office beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am certainly not looking for a cheerleader to run the show here. I could care less whether Obama, or anybody else, wears an American Flag pin on their lapel. Give me a break. The job of leading the nation is NOT about sloganeering.

I understand the fact that people are disagreeing about the use/non-use of this particular symbolic ornament, but seriously...this thread is pretty ridiculous. You guys (Conservos and Libs) have resorted to flaming one another based upon A LAPEL PIN?

"So why don't you tell us w... (Below threshold)
Ran:

"So why don't you tell us why you turned your back on your country?"

US?.. get real you racist POS! Go back to KOS and crawl under your rock!

"And sorry my lack any stat... (Below threshold)
RobLACal:

"And sorry my lack any statements of disagreements with those that use the terrorist supporter label or accuse anyone of being a "traitor" is just another diversion by you."

BTW, better search a few threads where ROBinLa or scrapiron have gone off the deep end and used them."

"Reporting for duty" Someone call for a double with a twist off into the deep end?

"Reporting for dut... (Below threshold)
marc:
"Reporting for duty" Someone call for a double with a twist off into the deep end?
No... no call placed here.

But it's hardly surprising you would report for duty when your favorite expressions enter a thread.




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