Only last week, Jimmy Carter got into a shouting match with his government security detail when they wouldn't let him go where he wanted in Dafur. It seemed at the time he didn't understand the guard wasn't acting on his own, but under orders of the government.
So now he serves up some propaganda for the dictatorial regime by declaring "There is a legal definition of genocide and Darfur does not meet that legal standard. The atrocities were horrible but I don't think it qualifies to be called genocide." Ken McCracken has more at Say Anything, including a detailed map of the region and the relevant text from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.
Muslim militias, often with evident government aid, have been destroying villages, murdering, raping, and "ethnically cleansing" large sections of the area of non-Muslim tribesmen. 200,000 have been killed or died as a result, and the refugee camps are teeming with those who fled their homes. Attempting to downgrade this catastrophe is unconscionable.
Jimmy Carter continues to demonstrate his remarkable (for a former American President) preference for dictators over their victims.
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Comments (29)
So now he serves u... (Below threshold)1. Posted by marc | October 9, 2007 3:50 AM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
It's not genocide, just some minor skirmish between far branches of the same tree.
Move along then, no dead bodies to see there.
1. Posted by marc | October 9, 2007 3:50 AM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on October 9, 2007 03:50
2. Posted by Clay | October 9, 2007 4:29 AM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Ah yes, the mantra of the left: "Move along, folks. Nothing to see here."
I'm in Germany this week and you oughta hear these lefties piling on our former president. They have no mercy for this useful idiot. According to the conversation this morning, there's a special place in hell for Jimmah.
2. Posted by Clay | October 9, 2007 4:29 AM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 9, 2007 04:29
3. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 5:12 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Armenia, my Armenia.
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3. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 5:12 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 05:12
4. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 7:33 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Not historians, not legislators, not carpenters, but former peanut subsidy satraps.
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4. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 7:33 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 07:33
5. Posted by Oyster | October 9, 2007 8:46 AM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
It's absolutely inexcusable. The UN has clearly defined genocide and in 1948 pledged to punish it. But the UN only wants to say touchy-feely things without having to actually do anything about what they say. Jimmah tells us that the events in Darfur do not meet the definition of genocide.
Let's see:
The convention defines genocide as any act committed with the idea of destroying in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. This includes such acts as:
1 Killing members of the group
2 Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
3 Deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to physically destroy the group (the whole group or even part of the group)
4 Forcefully transferring children of the group to another group
1, 2, 3 and 4 - check, check, check and check.
What definitions does Mr. Carter propose are not being met?
And Marc has an excellent point. If this is not genocide, then why the constant harping from the reactionary left?
5. Posted by Oyster | October 9, 2007 8:46 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 08:46
6. Posted by marc | October 9, 2007 9:08 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Oyster:
And Marc has an excellent point. If this is not genocide, then why the constant harping from the reactionary left?
Um, because they like harping. And carping and shi**ing their pants over anything, but do little else but soil themselves.
But remember... it's all about the oil, with the U.N.'s help.
(funny, I've heard "its all about the oil" somewhere else but can't place it)
6. Posted by marc | October 9, 2007 9:08 AM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 9, 2007 09:08
7. Posted by tj | October 9, 2007 9:23 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
I think his brain has turned into peanut butter
7. Posted by tj | October 9, 2007 9:23 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 09:23
8. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 9:30 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
And jelly.
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8. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 9:30 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 09:30
9. Posted by P. Bunyan | October 9, 2007 9:53 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
"Jimmy Carter continues to demonstrate his remarkable (for a former American President) preference for dictators over their victims."
But wholly unremarkable, and in fact rather typical for a far leftist neo-comm like Carter.
9. Posted by P. Bunyan | October 9, 2007 9:53 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 09:53
10. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 10:14 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Ooh, I like 'Neocomm'.
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10. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 10:14 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on October 9, 2007 10:14
11. Posted by mantis | October 9, 2007 10:18 AM | Score: -5 (5 votes cast)
Muslim militias, often with evident government aid, have been destroying villages, murdering, raping, and "ethnically cleansing" large sections of the area of non-Muslim tribesmen.
Are you serious? You think the Darfur conflict is Muslims ethnically cleansing non-Muslims? Could someone send Jim a book, or a newspaper, or just explain the difference between "Arab" and "Muslim?" He's looking like an idiot, again.
11. Posted by mantis | October 9, 2007 10:18 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 10:18
12. Posted by Spurwing Plover | October 9, 2007 10:21 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
And jimmy carter wonders why he only lasted one term he is a complete moron
12. Posted by Spurwing Plover | October 9, 2007 10:21 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 10:21
13. Posted by macofromoc | October 9, 2007 10:53 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
You think the Darfur conflict is Muslims ethnically cleansing non-Muslims? Could someone send Jim a book, or a newspaper
Let's not call all those dead bodies genocide or anything. Sounds so ugly. Nice call Jimmah Mantis.
13. Posted by macofromoc | October 9, 2007 10:53 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 10:53
14. Posted by mantis | October 9, 2007 11:02 AM | Score: -7 (7 votes cast)
Thanks for you're input, thought police. Calling something a genocide doesn't mean jack shit if you aren't willing to do anything about it. Call it whatever you want, the people still die.
14. Posted by mantis | October 9, 2007 11:02 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 11:02
15. Posted by macofromoc | October 9, 2007 11:07 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Thanks for you're input, thought police
How very Liberal of me -- my mistake
15. Posted by macofromoc | October 9, 2007 11:07 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 11:07
16. Posted by ODA315 | October 9, 2007 11:19 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
"Calling something a genocide doesn't mean jack shit if you aren't willing to do anything about it. Call it whatever you want, the people still die".
Hmmmm, maybe you should call your pals at the UN and ask why their not doing anything significant to help. Oh yeah, their "military wing" is tied up raping young girls elsewhere in Africa and the management is busy with "oil for food" program oversight and going to all those dinners.
Sorry Mantis, I guess you were probably refering to the US not helping. Let's get Biden on the phone and move those troops from Iraq to Darfur.
16. Posted by ODA315 | October 9, 2007 11:19 AM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 11:19
17. Posted by Mitchell | October 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Mantis: the last dumb ass alive who still consider Jimmah Carter a President of heroic standing. Ugh, what a twit.
17. Posted by Mitchell | October 9, 2007 12:29 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 12:29
18. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | October 9, 2007 12:34 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Would Jimmah declare it "genocide" if they were being attacked by bunnies?... Maybe have the U.N. send oars?
18. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | October 9, 2007 12:34 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 12:34
19. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 2:16 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Jack of all nuance, master of none. mantis is trying, laboriously, to explain that not all Muslim are Arab. Give him a Gold Star, but don't let him write the test.
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19. Posted by kim | October 9, 2007 2:16 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 14:16
20. Posted by Veeshir | October 9, 2007 2:32 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
kim, sometimes I want to shake you and ask you what the heck you're talking about.
Other times, I think I want to marry you.
Often, sometimes and other times are the same times.
I do enjoy your cryptic comments though, they keep me on my toes.
20. Posted by Veeshir | October 9, 2007 2:32 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 14:32
21. Posted by P. Bunyan | October 9, 2007 3:50 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
"Ooh, I like 'Neocomm'."
Thanks Kim. I think its an appropriate term for the modern American lefts. They are communists at heart, but a "kinder and gentler" type of communist. Instead of violent revolutions with military and police forces that the traditional, old school communists favor, they prefer a slower takeover using propaganda, indoctrination, and judicial fiat. That's why the fields of journalism, education, and law are full of leftists.
21. Posted by P. Bunyan | October 9, 2007 3:50 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 15:50
22. Posted by Ken McCracken | October 9, 2007 4:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey, thanks for the linkage Jim, I appreciate it.
22. Posted by Ken McCracken | October 9, 2007 4:24 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 16:24
23. Posted by LenS | October 9, 2007 8:09 PM | Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
In the immortal words of Comic Book Shop Owner -- "Worst .. President .. Ever"
23. Posted by LenS | October 9, 2007 8:09 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 20:09
24. Posted by LaMedusa | October 9, 2007 10:06 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
That's so weird because last week, Carter was saying just the opposite:
In an AP interview, Carter said the Sudanese government was responsible for the "crime against humanity" in Darfur, accusing government-backed Arab militias known as the janjaweed of "ethnic cleansing" in black villages.
What could he be bartering for?
"Eric Reeves at The New Republic slams Carter for turning a blind eye to genocide, saying that Carter is engaged in "some ghastly quid pro quo he hopes to arrange with Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir,"
24. Posted by LaMedusa | October 9, 2007 10:06 PM |
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Posted on October 9, 2007 22:06
25. Posted by Spurwing Plover | October 10, 2007 12:28 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
I heard that the LEGION OF SUPER HEROS rejected the PEANUT EATER KID too darn rediclous
25. Posted by Spurwing Plover | October 10, 2007 12:28 AM |
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Posted on October 10, 2007 00:28
26. Posted by kim | October 10, 2007 7:47 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Great link, LaM. What has possessed Carter?
I love you, too, Veeshir. No, I'm serious.
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26. Posted by kim | October 10, 2007 7:47 AM |
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Posted on October 10, 2007 07:47
27. Posted by Veeshir | October 10, 2007 2:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Awww shucks kim.
Anyway, Jay, here's the Cox and Forkum cartoon I was talking about on another Carter thread. If you do another Carter/sucking up to dictator post, you should at least link it.
It's from May/2002 and their archives only go back to 2003 so I had to find it elsewhere.
27. Posted by Veeshir | October 10, 2007 2:16 PM |
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Posted on October 10, 2007 14:16
28. Posted by Veeshir | October 10, 2007 2:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Errr, Jim.
I knew that.
28. Posted by Veeshir | October 10, 2007 2:17 PM |
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Posted on October 10, 2007 14:17
29. Posted by Jim Addison | October 10, 2007 2:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Veeshir ~ Regarding, "If you do another Carter/sucking up to dictator post" . . .
I doubt you will have long to wait, given his recent history.
Poor Jimmah - so many dictators' asses to kiss, so little time . . .
29. Posted by Jim Addison | October 10, 2007 2:21 PM |
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Posted on October 10, 2007 14:21