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Republican Debate: Fred's Debut

It started 20 minutes ago, and Fred was given the first question, which was about the economy: is it in recession or not? His answer was no based upon all the economic indicators. But that doesn't mean there aren't pockets throughout the country that aren't doing so well, such as Michigan. His answer was ok, but not spectacular.

The best line of the day so far was from Giuliani about the line item veto. When he was Mayor of New York City, he took President Clinton to court over it and beat him when the US Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional. He quipped, it would be good to have a president of the United States that can beat Clinton.

So far, this is the Fred, Rudy, and Mitt show.

I liked Fred's line in response to Matthews' question about how to replace the lost revenue from the AMT (I'm paraphrasing here):

"There would be no loss of money. The American people know exactly where it is. It's in their pockets."

Mitt tried to zing Thompson with his, I'm sure oft-practiced, Law and Order line:

"These debates are like Law & Order. We have a sprawling cast, it seems to go on forever, and Fred Thompson shows up at the end." Fred's response? "And to think I would be the best actor on the stage."

Jim Geraghty has his list of the four best closing lines:

Huckabee on the airlines: "We have Jetsons technology in the cockpit, and Flintstones technology in the air traffic control."

McCain: "France is very helpful. It just goes to show, if you live long enough, you will see everything."

Rudy: "If we institute HillaryCare, there will be no place left for Canadians to get health care."

Fred Thompson: "I've been watching these debates, I've gotta admit, it was getting a little boring without me."

I would add this one from Mitt on Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm: She's made a big mistake by raising taxes. Frankly I was nervous about being here. I thought for sure she was going to put a tax on the debate before we were finished."

Overall, Fred held his own just fine when I think most thought he would kind of tank because his speeches have been, well, boring.

As expected, the Ron Paul fanatics hijacked the CNBC web poll. What a joke. Do these idiots really think they're influencing other people's opinions?


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"There would be no loss ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

"There would be no loss of money. The American people know exactly where it is. It's in their pockets."

Clever, but a non-answer. The question was about lost "revenue", not lost "money".

Fred perked up toward the e... (Below threshold)
Amy:

Fred perked up toward the end. He's shaken off the rust and is going to get the momentum going. I just hope it's not too late.

Best line of the night:
Rudy: "If we institute HillaryCare, there will be no place left for Canadians to get health care."

Ryan, Your comment... (Below threshold)

Ryan,

Your comment is completely off topic and will be removed.

Did any of the GOP candidat... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Did any of the GOP candidates join in with the Cowardly Conservative Keyboarders in attacking the Graeme family?

Do these idiots really t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Do these idiots really think they're influencing other people's opinions?

Blame CNBC in part. They force you to vote in order to see the responses. I just wanted to see the results, but they required me to cast a fake vote to get to that page.

Kim - "Do these idiot... (Below threshold)

Kim - "Do these idiots really think they're influencing other people's opinions?"

Only if you're of the belief that ALL that matters is how something polls, and the general support on a subject is truely indicated by polling data.

Frankly, I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul on a bet - but it's much more of a contrarian thing. I'm ambivalent to the man himself, but exceedingly negative about his supporters.

Ya all crack me up....<br /... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Ya all crack me up....
It so much easier for you to be against something...than for something...
Well... Moonbats did not dictate who your greatest and brightest candidates for President would be.

I will wait for a position by any of you on a Republican Candidate...

but hey...all of you are about attack..without the courage of support...that is fine...
It only demonstrates your feeble cowardice.

At least the lefty blogs like Kos..take their own candidates to task....

I an surprised that Wizbang would even consider this thread...

Remember...if you attack the messenger...you do not have to hurt your brain with the message


nogo, nobody cares what you... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

nogo, nobody cares what your opinion is on the Republican field. The Dems could put Idi Amin up, and you'd be there to pull the lever for him.

It's early right now, intelligent people are forming opinions, not investing into them.

But then, you've never been about intelligence, have you? Merely randomized crap interspersed with unnecessary ellipses.

It so much easier ... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
It so much easier for you to be against something...than for something...

Yes, it's like if someone were to come up with a clever "anybody but bush" slogan.

Dillhole.

Did any of the GOP... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:
Did any of the GOP candidates join in with the Cowardly Conservative Keyboarders in attacking the Graeme family?

Nope... They didn't use their children to push a political point either.

I would add this o... (Below threshold)
marc:
I would add this one from Mitt on Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm: She's made a big mistake by raising taxes. Frankly I was nervous about being here. I thought for sure she was going to put a tax on the debate before we were finished."
Granholm and her Dem power structure have made a long running disaster in MI and raising taxes damn sure won't go towards fixing the problem.

And isn't it fuuny [Mr. Flint] Michael Moore has zero to say relative to MI's financial condition.

On a related note... Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden and Bill Richardson have all pulled out of the MI. primary.

Great way to show support for the many unions that not only are a major part of the electorate but are a very large part of the Dem financial structure in the State.

Stupid, ignorant move no matter the reason.

nogoI will wai... (Below threshold)
marc:

nogo

I will wait for a position by any of you on a Republican Candidate...

That happens on election day not at the urging of a troll.

At least the lefty blogs like Kos..take their own candidates to task....

If you define "taking to task" tossing someone under the bus for little to no reason I suppose you're right. Lieberman is the best example, he supports 90 plus percent of what the Dems and DKos kiddies support, but he got stabbed in the back over a single issue.

Remember...if you attack the messenger...you do not have to hurt your brain with the message

The only hurting brains around here are after reading your disjoined moonbattery.

Brian:Blame CN... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

Blame CNBC in part. They force you to vote in order to see the responses. I just wanted to see the results, but they required me to cast a fake vote to get to that page.

So, does that mean all those "fake" votes were placed under Pauls name vice the rest? Why would that be?

And, how is that CNBC's fault? Were people threatened by the Paul supporters at CNBC?

"Nope... They didn't use th... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

"Nope... They didn't use their children to push a political point either."

Really?

Romney equates sons' campaigning to military service.

At an "Ask Mitt Anything" forum this morning in Iowa, former Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) was asked about why his sons have not served in the military. His response:

My sons are adults. They've chosen not to serve in the military in active duty and I respect their decision in that regard. ... And one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president.

Or one for Fred

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNYDJrClj3Q

Yup GOPers never uses their families in campaigns.

Hey I would be depressed too if my party were overrun with pedophiles and bribed officials.

After all the GOP is supposed to stand for fiscal discipline and family values.

Too bad most GOP membership doesn't stand for anything anymore.

Ryan, if you don't like the... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Ryan, if you don't like the criticism of the Graeme's then the Graeme's should not have been pushed forward for a political purpose. Blaming others for the consequences is just juvenile.

I didn't watch the debate -... (Below threshold)
Rory:

I didn't watch the debate -knew I could not stomache Matthews-

But- I did cheat and look while channel surfing and couldn't even rest on it.

First-CNBC had the bar with the graphic for the record close of the DOW.


Then- they left the after hours trading stats scrolling top and bottom.

Add to that- a static and large graphic announcing thast it was CNBC's Republican debate. { A bit of a misnomer it probably was some version of Matthews self-debating himself....}

Essentially the Republicans were so sandwiched that they would have had more head room in a Midget sports car.

They ended up with a third of the space usually given to Kramer on Mad Money.....what does that tell you?


That the interests of a few after hours traders that also happen to watch CNBC-matter more over showing some respect to the Republican candidates running for the top office of the land....

Disrespectful to say the least....

Marc:This is OT, b... (Below threshold)
Laura:

Marc:

This is OT, but what's going on with "Full Throttle"? Clicking on your name or using my bookmark doesn't take me to your blog.

Compare the testicle-less D... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Compare the testicle-less Democrats who won't go on Fox News, to our gutsy guys who go on a program moderated by Chris Matthews, the lefty partisan hack who called Bush a criminal. Unbelievable.

Hey nogo, brian, ryan, etc. do you ever wonder what it'd be like to have testosterone? It's fun, you might try it.

Great post!The deb... (Below threshold)
Greg:

Great post!

The debate really showed some contrast...here's my take:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/09/404257.aspx?

durrrrwrong link:<... (Below threshold)
Greg:
jo,Sending teenagers... (Below threshold)
Robert:

jo,
Sending teenagers off to die to make you feel tough doesn't make you manly.
Just thought you (and the majority of the Cheetos-eating right-wing bloggers) should know.

Any time.

Robert, silly comments like... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Robert, silly comments like yours don't make you look intelligent. The leftie attacks on masculinity got old about six years ago. Just thought you should know.

Robert: "Sending teenage... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Robert: "Sending teenagers off to die to make you feel tough doesn't make you manly."

"Manly" is doing NOTHING...and waiting for the Jihadists to slit your throat!

Who is sending teenagers an... (Below threshold)
Roy:

Who is sending teenagers anywhere? They seem to go there by their own free will. I guess Robert would force them to do what he wants them to do instead. He must know more than the rest of us about what is best.

The stupidity of the left i... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

The stupidity of the left is aptly demostrated by those southpaws who post here. The must be rejects, as if that were posssible, from DK or someother liars hotbed. It is truly hard to believe there are educated people who hold the opinions such as Brian's then I am reminded of who and what controls our educational system and understand the need for homeschooling, and post natal abortion. Ryan.

Debate observations:<... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Debate observations:

> Thompson actually used the phrase "Islamic fascists." Bravo. But he looked worn and a bit feeble. Worries me.

> Giuliani made the best overall impression. Not exactly encouraging to my social conservative side.

> I was very disappointed in Huckabee's answer to the question about whether he would have vetoed s-chip. He seemed afraid to say yes and equivocated. Bad sign, too willing to play politics.

> When talking about energy independence, not a single candidate mentioned shale-oil. Disappointing.

> Prompted me to ask, Is Duncan Hunter a paleocon?

Laura:This is ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Laura:

This is OT, but what's going on with "Full Throttle"? Clicking on your name or using my bookmark doesn't take me to your blog.

I've been very busy this week and forgot to renew the domain so it was parked pending payment.

That should be rectified in a few hours.

robert:Sending... (Below threshold)
marc:

robert:

Sending teenagers off to die to make you feel tough doesn't make you manly. Just thought you (and the majority of the Cheetos-eating right-wing bloggers) should know.

Cheetos? No, sorry I like my snacks fresh killed and BBQ'd

Actually we are allowing teenagers, via their volunteerism, to live, fight and yes sometimes die for this.

But I seriously have doubts you would understand that. A. Sullivan, Media Matters, Atrios, MorOm.org and the DKos Kiddies have no talking points that cover it so you would be at a loss.

Rory #16 ~ CNBC always has ... (Below threshold)

Rory #16 ~ CNBC always has that stuff while trading is active. They're certainly not going to stop it now for a debate while Rupert Murdoch is about to launch a business channel . . .

I wouldn't call a clear winner; all four top candidates did pretty well, the rest need to get off the stage and stop wasting our time.

What a joke. Do these id... (Below threshold)
Steve L.:

What a joke. Do these idiots really think they're influencing other people's opinions?

Actually, yes. When you view it in the light of the recent study on cascades, you can see where it is entirely possble for rational people to be influenced despite their own knowledge to the contrary.

Now, I personally don't think that this type tactic would work in reality in a primary. The average voter isn't interested enough to vote in a primary. Normally, those voters are the one who are interested in politics and take the time to research the candidates. The more knowledge a voter has, the less likely he/she is to vote for Ron Paul.

"Hey I would be depresse... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Hey I would be depressed too if my party were overrun with pedophiles and bribed officials. "

Then Ryan, you should be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, depressed.

But as a Democrat, I'm sure you'll just pretend that part of reality just doesn't exist.

Just in the last 2 years</p... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Just in the last 2 years

Sex crimes -

Larry Craig

Mark Foley

Bribery scandals -

Duke Cunningham

Duncan Hunter

Ted Stevens

Bob Ney

On the Dem side you have one William Jefferson for bribery.

SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD!

Wow Ryan, quite a list!... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Wow Ryan, quite a list!

Larry Craig's foot tappin' and Mark Foley's naughty e-mails.

Looks like you win!

Ryan,You probably ... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Ryan,

You probably wanted more recent fare... Here's more for your SCOREBOARD.

These are only the ones we know about right now, but I think we should call the game, yes?

Do yourself and everyone else a favor: Think before you write.

s.o.t.g.:Let's not... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

s.o.t.g.:

Let's not forget the misadventures of the last Democrat president to hold office, the former rapist-in-chief and pathological liar who ransacked the Whitehouse, national security, and the military in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan. Not to mention his oh so forgetful enabler and partner in crime. The Clinton's history is so sordid and their evil deeds so abundant that it would take several volumes to catalog them. Right down to the last minute pardons and the theft of the Whitehouse furniture.

Ryan, you people make me sick.

Jeff,To quote anot... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Jeff,

To quote another blogger,

"Indeed".




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