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Note to Democrats: Your Push to Expand SCHIP is a Loser

According to a USA Today/Gallup poll, the majority of Americans polled support President Bush's veto of the SCHIP expansion because they believe it should be a program that is focused on the poor. From USA Today:

•A slim majority, 52%, agreed with Bush that most benefits should go to children in families earning less than 200% of the federal poverty level -- about $41,000 for a family of four. Only 40% said benefits should go to families earning up to $62,000, as the bill written by Democrats and some Republicans would allow.

•A larger majority, 55%, said they were concerned that the program creates an incentive for families to drop private health coverage for a public program. Bush and Republican opponents have called that a step toward government-run health care. Only 42% said that wasn't a concern.

Taken together, the results show that while Bush may be losing the political battle with Democrats, he may be winning the policy debate.

Mike Leavitt, Bush's secretary of health and human services, said the policy is most important. "There's a lot of politics going on right now. But the politics will last a matter of weeks," Leavitt said Monday. "The policy here will go on for decades. We have to get this right."

The American people have seen the families that the Democrats have used as spokespeople in an attempt to manipulate them into supporting the SCHIP expansion, and they've made up their minds. The majority of American people, as much as they support SCHIP for poor families, simply don't want government run health care expanded even further to cover middle class families. They are right to be concerned that those who have private health care will opt to drop that coverage for government run and taxpayer funded health care. They are also right to be concerned with the incremental implementation of socialized medicine. So do Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi consider the majority of the American people to be the lunatic fringe?

The Democrats can continue with their vote to override the veto, but with the American people on the Republicans' and the president's side of this issue, they will lose that vote, probably for a quite a while.

This does not bode well for Hillary Clinton's and the other Democratic presidential candidates' massive government-run health care proposals.

Hat tip: Captain Ed


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Comments (15)

They Democrats always say t... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

They Democrats always say they win anyway and probably believe it. "They're legends in their own freaking minds, man!"

That way they don't have to learn from their failure. That would eventually lead to abandoning the socialist pipe dreams.

Dragging out a family with ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Dragging out a family with a large home, a business and three vehicles should prove to everyone that we need the taxpayers 'to give' everyone earning $83,000 or less the same, but new vehicles. I guess it is really hard to find a deserving person that isn't already one the draw of every government program. Never get a lawyer to obtain government benefits, always find one of the historical riders of the government tit, they know all the ins and outs of welfare.

The reasoning behind the De... (Below threshold)
Mike:

The reasoning behind the Dem's use of "human shields" has never been more clear: no substance to their arguments, and slim popular support when the truth comes out.

Whooooo hoooooo!!!!... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Whooooo hoooooo!!!!

You morons didn't ... (Below threshold)
dr lava:

You morons didn't learn from the Schiavo travesty. You are looked on as callous idiots by 70% of the country. The far right is defined as the whiner party trashing all that don't conform to its narrow submissive authoritarian view.

Time for you nitwits to trash the "Ten Captains", front page WaPo.....phony soldier alert!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/15/AR2007101500841.html

"By 12 former Army captains... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

"By 12 former Army captains"

"Time for you nitwits to trash the "Ten Captains", front page WaPo.....phony soldier alert!!!!" dr. lava

This asshat can't even tell the difference between 10 and 12. Must have stopped when he ran out of fingers....

There's also a small proble... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

There's also a small problem with the 12 captains:

"I value the writers' service and their opinions as soldiers who have served in Iraq, but wouldn't this editorial have meant more if the Washington Post had managed to find soldiers to write it who had actually been in in Iraq in the last year?"

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/243651.php

|The American people have s... (Below threshold)
Eric Forhan:

|The American people have seen the families that the Democrats have used as spokespeople in an attempt to manipulate them into supporting the SCHIP expansion, and they've made up their minds.|

Do you think that's true? Does the general public see this kind of stuff? Or is it mostly people who read blogs or listen to Conservative talk radio?

There are captains and ther... (Below threshold)
kim:

There are captains and there are captains. And there are even Oak Leafs.
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Thanks for the link, b435. ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Thanks for the link, b435. Good stuff on Beauchamp and TNR one post earlier, there.
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Interesting, isn't it, that... (Below threshold)
Aog Author Profile Page:

Interesting, isn't it, that "dr lava" appears to see no difference between disagreeing with the 12 captains and smearing them. But I suppose there isn't any in his world.

Rasmussen's poling found ju... (Below threshold)

Rasmussen's poling found just the opposite result, with support for raising tobacco taxes to fund children's health care. The difference between the two polls is how the questions were framed to respondants and who commissioned the polling, where some features of a "push poll" to gain a desired result could have been built into the question framing.

Among other things, I studied statistics in college, where it is easy to understand the defects in some poling methods and why results vary based on how the question was framed. I notice many such "push poll" defects in Zogby polls for example, that tend to "educate" the respondant towards a certain desired answer.

It would be interesting to find out if a tobacco company paid for the USATODAY Polling costs. In Oregon, Philip Morris and Reynolds American are spending $10 million to defeat a tax increase to fund antismoking education and children's health care efforts because it would cut into sales and future nicotine addicts.

Most polling is purchased by business interests in the U.S., sometimes often as a sneaky form of advertising to "educate" buyers to purchasing a product that they normally would not purchase. Most polling is a form of psychological manipulation of respondants and not meant to really gauge popular public opinion. Companies already know how popular their products are based on product sales. Most "polling" is simply a new form of advertising meant to increase sales of products.

Paul,Polling is no... (Below threshold)
DB:

Paul,

Polling is not the issue. It is allowing the government to become too involved in our lives by using the propaganda of the poor children. If that does not work go after BIG EVIL TOBACCO. When at the end it is all about pandering to get more votes.

Having this program include people at 80K which is 400% above poverty and defining a child up to age 25 is ludicrous. Once people here that the mantra that its for the "poor children" starts to fall on deaf ears.

Next we have we will fund it by going after the tobacco companies by make the consumer pay an extra .64 per pack. This does affect the poor and middle class that makes up the vast majority of smokers. Further more since its so addictive, it is even more of a cruel tax.

However lets say all the adds work and the cost of of the tax reduces the number of smokers by 50% over 5 years. Where does the money come from to pay for this. The general fund so now its time to rob Peter to pay Paul or increase taxes. Of course the real joke is thinking congress will get all that new money and not spend it on something else to buy more votes.

Finally Once the government takes over health care watch out. When I was in the Navy a sunburn was considered destruction of government property. Wait, until in order to keep the your government benefits they state no skiing because the cost of broken legs is too much or they define other risky behavior. I do think the one two punch will be health care and global warming. You must walk to work for your health and reduce carbon foot print.
Congress past and present will of course be excluded from such systems or limitations.

Yep, right again, three sen... (Below threshold)
marc:

Yep, right again, three sentences in and I correctly guessed it was Hooson without seeing the name.

Among other things, I studied statistics in college

Would that be the "almost PHD" is statictics you didn't get?

I suspect my pet of twirlin... (Below threshold)
kim:

I suspect my pet of twirling tiny dancers round the clock. He's right about push polling.
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