Every now and then I look at N.Z. Bear's ecosystem of blogs and wonder why we aren't ranked higher, And every now and then I'm reminded that simply ranking high over there doesn't mean squat.
Case in point: the deranged, hypocritical, psychopathic dipshits at the all-too-appropriately-named "Crooks And Liars." Here's their little formula for a smash posting:
1) Note that a lot of people they don't like are upset over the words of a Congressman spoken on the House floor.
2) Concoct a poll of the readership about whether said Congressman should apologize for the comments, but quote a DIFFERENT PART OF THE SPEECH THAT HAS PEOPLE SO UPSET and omit the section that is the actual source of the controversy.
3) When called out, go on a frantic comment-deleting binge to get rid of the inconvenient truths. (My particular favorite rationale for the censorship is this one: [Deleted. Don't expect this site to pay for the bandwidth for you to criticise it. Move on-Sitemonitor] If I EVER pulled that kind of bullshit, here, I suspect Kevin would fire me -- and if he didn't, he should.)
4) When you can't contain the shitstorm any further, announce that the missed quote was a "coding error," then yell and and censor anyone who says it might not have been an innocent mistake.
Lord knows I've made my share of mistakes. Some big, some small, some gob-smackingly huge. In each case, though, I've tried to do what I thought was the right thing: own up to them, thank those who caught it, and fixed it. I've never tried to conceal them, never accosted those who spotted my errors (no matter how snotty they were about it, or how acrimonious our prior dealings have been), and never gone on an editing and deleting spree to cover it up.
Maybe I should, though, if that's part of the magic formula for blogging success.
OK, let's get serious for a moment. The more I think about it, I suspect the original screwup was inadvertent. The author, John Amato, quoted what he thought was the most inflammatory part of Stark's speech without actually reading or listening to the people who were upset about it. From there on, though, "good faith" goes right out the window, defenestrated by arrogance and egotism and an absolutely pathological need to be "right" despite the seventeen metric assloads of proof to the contrary. The guy just couldn't find the stones to say "I screwed up" -- and considering how quickly he was being followed by the slavering hordes, I can't really say I blame him for deciding to continue riding the tiger.
But he's still an asshole.
Update: Gee, comments are closed on that entry. Why didn't I see that coming?
Comments (42)
They have some weapons grad... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Radical Centrist | October 21, 2007 12:29 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
They have some weapons grade crazy going on over
there. They ban anybody that tries to raise counter arguments so the site really is an
echo-chamber site. Opposing views will not be tolerated. I was banned from that site a long time ago.
1. Posted by Radical Centrist | October 21, 2007 12:29 PM |
Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 12:29
2. Posted by jpm100 | October 21, 2007 12:47 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Sorry when did WizBlue rename itself and get high traffic?
2. Posted by jpm100 | October 21, 2007 12:47 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 12:47
3. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 12:49 PM | Score: 3 (7 votes cast)
'seventeen metric assholes'? Is that like the whole nine yards? Now, volumetric would be cubic rectums. By the way, do you know what a cubic Henry is?
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3. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 12:49 PM |
Score: 3 (7 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 12:49
4. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 12:54 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Emerson Biggins' is not just your father's watering hole, it's the measure of truth and beauty. Or is it bounty?
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4. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 12:54 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 12:54
5. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 12:56 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Plame on Couric tonight. Wait, I didn't say that.
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5. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 12:56 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 12:56
6. Posted by Gmac | October 21, 2007 1:01 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
"But he's still an asshole." and a f******g liar.
When you live in an echo chamber all you hear is recycled.
6. Posted by Gmac | October 21, 2007 1:01 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 13:01
7. Posted by charlie | October 21, 2007 1:02 PM | Score: -11 (21 votes cast)
So, perhaps Amato's post is exactly the way you play it in your post.
However, the villification of C&L, "the deranged, hypocritical, psychopathic dipshits at the all-too-apprpriately-named "Crooks And Liars." merely reflects that on any given day C&L skews the living hell out of the RW Kook world of which you are a part. And they typically do it w/ vid posts illustrating exactly the point that usually strips the rightie's flesh to the bone.
As Scarlet's Mammy might say, "and you [Jay]there just sittin' and waitin' like a spidah" finding one alleged instance of censorship.
The more you mightily strain bursting your gut w/ your vain attempt to slime C&L, you cannot manage to deflect that this site is an absolutely brilliant followup for any reader who has finished swimming thru the septic tanks of the extreme rightie blogs. It's like a hot shower after being in this [deleted]pool.
7. Posted by charlie | October 21, 2007 1:02 PM |
Score: -11 (21 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 13:02
8. Posted by jpm100 | October 21, 2007 1:28 PM | Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
"damn reality, full speed ahead!"
8. Posted by jpm100 | October 21, 2007 1:28 PM |
Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 13:28
9. Posted by SPQR | October 21, 2007 1:32 PM | Score: 8 (12 votes cast)
Charlie, you need more chlorine in your shower water.
9. Posted by SPQR | October 21, 2007 1:32 PM |
Score: 8 (12 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 13:32
10. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 1:35 PM | Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
He doesn't get it. He needs a brainwash.
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10. Posted by kim | October 21, 2007 1:35 PM |
Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 13:35
11. Posted by Master Shake | October 21, 2007 1:51 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
"Charlie" as in "Viet Cong", apparently....
11. Posted by Master Shake | October 21, 2007 1:51 PM |
Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 13:51
12. Posted by LaMedusa | October 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
First tier usually means Lost in the Maze. I just skimmed through the comments section of the post you linked to and counted at least 30 deleted ones. One admin replied in the deletion hinting that the commenter was not much of a Christian. The irony is you only see the response for deletion and not the original comment.
When Jay asked why his comment was deleted, all they replied with was a "yawn". This tells me right away that the site itself is not suitable for any type of discussion when you have an opposing view. What it also tells me is the posters have no interest in moving outside their own scope of thinking. The posters seem to want only an echo chamber.
12. Posted by LaMedusa | October 21, 2007 3:28 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 15:28
13. Posted by epador | October 21, 2007 5:03 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
I wonder if the makers of Seroquel or Abilify have thought of advertising on that blog?
13. Posted by epador | October 21, 2007 5:03 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 17:03
14. Posted by HughS | October 21, 2007 6:07 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Why is it that Charlie and the ones over at Kozkids remind me of The Lord of the Flies?
And they typically do it w/ vid posts illustrating exactly the point that usually strips the rightie's flesh to the bone.
This is the mindset that, when it gets power, hunts the likes of a Trotsky to the ends of the earth. Just to strip his flesh to the bone.
14. Posted by HughS | October 21, 2007 6:07 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 18:07
15. Posted by Oyster | October 21, 2007 6:24 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
"...you cannot manage to deflect that this site is an absolutely brilliant followup for any reader who has finished swimming thru the septic tanks of the extreme rightie blogs."
Oh my, that was funny. Charlie probably heads over there regularly to assuage his little brain ever time the foundation of his make believe world is shaken by reality.
There is definitely a small core group who are there clicking their heels together chanting "There's no place like home," but the rest of us go just for the laughs. Website counters simply do not discriminate.
And Kim, it was seventeen metric 'assloads' not 'assholes'. But hey, when it comes to these guys, it really doesn't matter. :)
15. Posted by Oyster | October 21, 2007 6:24 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 18:24
16. Posted by civildisobedience
| October 21, 2007 7:08 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
LOL, the only flesh stripped to the bone will be charlie's and fellow liberals when they are hit with a napalm strike. You cowards really think we are going to let you control us? Hahahahahahahahahah....... Dream on little boy.
16. Posted by civildisobedience
| October 21, 2007 7:08 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 19:08
17. Posted by marc | October 21, 2007 7:36 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
LaMedusa:
The posters seem to want only an echo chamber.
Why, if I didn't know any better I'd think you were describing the "backside" of Wizbang. If ya know what I mean.
And charlie... you do yourself and your side so *proud*. (if proud equates to supreme asshattery)
17. Posted by marc | October 21, 2007 7:36 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 19:36
18. Posted by drjohn | October 21, 2007 7:46 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
I am a proud member of the "Banned from C&L" group.
They tolerate dissent like Hillary tolerates a scolding.
18. Posted by drjohn | October 21, 2007 7:46 PM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 19:46
19. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 7:56 PM | Score: -4 (8 votes cast)
Cat Fight!
Thanks for the heads-up Kim. The interview was great. I loved those jeans she was wearing.
19. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 7:56 PM |
Score: -4 (8 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 19:56
20. Posted by ac#1
| October 21, 2007 8:17 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Lefties tend to be quick to pull the plug when confronted, they prefer throwing sucker punches and then running for cover.
I stopped being concerned about TTLB when I noticed that blogs that haven't updated in two years were ranked 5,000 spots higher than me.
20. Posted by ac#1
| October 21, 2007 8:17 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 20:17
21. Posted by HughS | October 21, 2007 8:42 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
The vote seems to be getting closer
21. Posted by HughS | October 21, 2007 8:42 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 20:42
22. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 8:43 PM | Score: -7 (9 votes cast)
"I noticed that blogs that haven't updated in two years were ranked 5,000 spots higher than me."
Maybe your blog sucks?
22. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 8:43 PM |
Score: -7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 20:43
23. Posted by Jay Tea | October 21, 2007 8:51 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Classic Barney.
Knows he can't defend the indefensible, so he cheap-shots instead.
J.
23. Posted by Jay Tea | October 21, 2007 8:51 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 20:51
24. Posted by marc | October 21, 2007 9:06 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Baghdad barney:
Maybe your blog sucks?
Which places it how far up or down the scale in relation to yours?
Your ignorance and patented ability for unbridled asshattery is unmatched.
24. Posted by marc | October 21, 2007 9:06 PM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 21:06
25. Posted by SPQR | October 21, 2007 9:48 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Actually, Jay Tea, classic Barney is when he posts a comment responding to something he completely failed to understand ...
Which he did.
25. Posted by SPQR | October 21, 2007 9:48 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 21:48
26. Posted by ac#1
| October 21, 2007 9:52 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Ahhh...the indignities of the blogosphere, being insulted by a guy named BarneyG2000.
26. Posted by ac#1
| October 21, 2007 9:52 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 21:52
27. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:07 PM | Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
Gee Jay, it's not like anyone here has posted a tread with misleading information? That is why I watched the video (posted on C&L) provided with the full speech. That is why I read the links you and the others provide so I can uncover the half truths that lambs that pray at the alter of bush refuse to see.
Sour grapes is the best way to describe the opening to your commentary. Meow!
(Editor: I guess Barney DOES expect this website to pay for the bandwidth for him to criticize it. Perhaps we ought to take a page from their playbook...
Oh, and Barney? It's an ALTAR, not an ALTER.
J.
27. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:07 PM |
Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 22:07
28. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:11 PM | Score: -3 (5 votes cast)
"being insulted by a guy named BarneyG2000." by ac#1
Like ac#1 is so dignified? So what is an ac#2?
28. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:11 PM |
Score: -3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 22:11
29. Posted by U,P, Man | October 21, 2007 10:18 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
BarneyG2000,
Will you answer the question I asked over at C&L that has been deleted?
If you agree with everything the Representative said, then you honestly think President Bush enjoys it when American Men and Women get their heads blown off?
29. Posted by U,P, Man | October 21, 2007 10:18 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 22:18
30. Posted by ac#1
| October 21, 2007 10:26 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
At my blog I, like you BarneyG2000, feel the concept of the individual is nothing but a chain placed around the ankles of the proletariat by the hated kulaks, exemplified in Amerikkka by the evil McChimperor BushisHilter.
Therefore all contributors to the site are assigned numbers, that way no one is elevated above the other.
Totally seriously.
30. Posted by ac#1
| October 21, 2007 10:26 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 22:26
31. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:26 PM | Score: -6 (8 votes cast)
UPMan, I already answered that questions days ago. I do not agree with that statement. To agree with it would inferred that the President had feelings. I not do believe that Bush gives a rat's ass about our soldiers. If he did he would have listened to his Generals instead of firing them. He wouldn't have said "bring it on". He wouldn't have declared victory before the country was secured, He would have ordered enough troops to secure the weapons depots or the boarders where the foreign fighters and shaped IED are coming from and on and on.
31. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:26 PM |
Score: -6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 22:26
32. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:29 PM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
ac#1, well that explains it.
32. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 21, 2007 10:29 PM |
Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 22:29
33. Posted by U,P, Man | October 21, 2007 11:16 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
So you think President Bush went out of his way to have American Men and Women killed?
When did he declared victory? I remember him saying this was not going to be over quickly and that the war on terror would be more like the Cold War than any other war.
Are you talking about the Mission Accomplished sign? Did the crew of that Carrier Task force complete their mission?
Enough troops to secure the Iraq border is also enough to be an occupying force.
You see Barney there is nuance to international relation which seems to be lost on you.
33. Posted by U,P, Man | October 21, 2007 11:16 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 23:16
34. Posted by LaMedusa | October 21, 2007 11:19 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
"Why, if I didn't know any better I'd think you were describing the "backside" of Wizbang. If ya know what I mean."
Marc, "backside" is but a microcosm of the above mentioned site because their comments section resembles a pin dropping from way across town. At least they have "each other". ;)
34. Posted by LaMedusa | October 21, 2007 11:19 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 23:19
35. Posted by charlie | October 21, 2007 11:53 PM | Score: 0 (8 votes cast)
Barney
I gues the editor?. Jay Tra would rather nail you for a typo than address the fact that Stark's speech was there in its entirity on the vid link whether or not the coding error occured or not.
But then, that would have revealed that Tea just wanted to kill another messenger because C&L frequently unmasks the right's shit distortions & misrepresentations.
And, they have probably hurt Tea's feelings w/ their posts on the rightie smear of the Frost kid, in particular, showing Mitch Chicken Lips McConnell's hand in steering the smear.
charlie, in honor of your heroes, the self-confessed Crooks and Liars, would you explain why we should pay for the bandwidth for you to criticize us? Or should I just delete your comments entirely? -- J.
35. Posted by charlie | October 21, 2007 11:53 PM |
Score: 0 (8 votes cast)
Posted on October 21, 2007 23:53
36. Posted by marc | October 22, 2007 12:30 AM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Badhdad barney:
"....He wouldn't have declared victory before the country was secured, He would have ordered enough troops to secure the weapons depots or the boarders where the foreign fighters and shaped IED are coming from and on and on."
So it's safe to assume after all those words you agree with Stark that Bush does get "amusement" from dead and dieing U.S. soldiers.
In that case, we all await your taking to task Speaker Nancy Pelosi who said this about Stark and his childish outburst:
Was it inappropriate Baghdad barney?And BTW, where does your blog rate in the TTLB again? I must have missed it.
36. Posted by marc | October 22, 2007 12:30 AM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on October 22, 2007 00:30
37. Posted by marc | October 22, 2007 12:34 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
charlie - Are you sure you're not "freedomfries" wearing a previously "stained dress" and are only acting as charlie?
If not your *writing* mirrors his/her/ITS discombobulated, disjointed babbling nonsense.
37. Posted by marc | October 22, 2007 12:34 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on October 22, 2007 00:34
38. Posted by kim | October 22, 2007 5:56 AM | Score: