Even simpler than that: experience is already showing that even a small move in the direction of increased enforcement will scare many of the illegals into leaving. Just as it scared many of NYC's petty crooks into going straight or leaving.

Incidentally, you remembered the wrong novel. General Belewa and his ruthless-but-effective tactics are in Sea Fighter, not Sea Strike.

(also a James Cobb fan)

If we cut off the demand for illegals from an employer standpoint, and prosecute any and all of their crimes, the problem begins to solve itself.

Im all for a $5,000 per week per illegal fine for employers. Second offense is $10,000, 3rd is $25,000 per week fine.

It's pretty easy to come to America the right way, and do the right things. We needn't reward those who dont by offering free healthcare, schooling, shelter, etc etc etc.

The funny thing is most illegals are getting by without one. Most probably wouldn't get one. First, some will assume they may be found out directly from the program. Others will believe it will create a paper trail that will lead to them being indirectly tracked down. Or, it may force the carrying insurance or make they accountable if they don't. The latter defeats the whole purpose of being illegal.

There are only three real reasons to use this. Those who will use the program to vote, claim a false identity or get jobs they can't get now.

The only ones that will use the program as intended are for jobs that absolutely insist on licensed drivers. Jobs where the public demand for being licensed supersedes the pro-illegal alien crowd. Things like cabbies, truck drivers, bus drivers, etc. It will enlarge opportunities for illegals and worsen the problem.

The rest will be for more sinister reasons.

GianniD

The demand is not from an employer standpoint; it is totally CONSUMER driven. Have you noticed that the biggest 'busts' are at Wal-mart and food processing plants?

Why, because consumers demand cheap prices.

Supply/demand....simple.

BTW, it is extremely hard to come to the U.S. legally. It takes years and is very cumbersome.

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The demand is not from an employer standpoint; it is totally CONSUMER driven. Have you noticed that the biggest 'busts' are at Wal-mart and food processing plants?

It also like saying corporate pollution and tax evasion is CONSUMER driven. However we do a reasonable job of enforcing both of those at the corporate level.

You're probably right about such a simple
idea not being implemented.
So.
Jay Tea for president!

Here's a wider net to cast:

How about either equally enforcing laws on the books, or taking off/modifying the approach for the ones we don't enforce equally?

I can think of a few areas we can solve current ills:

1) I agree with the immigration issue - definitely a proper approach. Even if it starts in one State, the neighbors over run with "refugees" will either suffer greatly (I'm thinking Massachusetts) or follow suit.

2) Speed Laws- either enforce them or make the speeds enforceable uniformly.

3) Drug Laws - I'm all for legalizing just about anything on an Indian Reservation with strict sobriety checkpoints at all exits. The Mafia and its cousins will no doubt be contracted out (similarly to casinos), the drugs will be inspected and standardized, and treatment centers funded by taxes on the profits (current drug treatment centers woefully underfunded and too few, our jails becoming a major warehouse for these folks).

4) Sex Laws - Is there really any need for laws about intimate acts between consenting adults? I'm fine with proscribing them below a certain age. However the difference between age of intellectual/psychological maturity (which some never reach) and physical maturity when it is safe to have a baby (somewheres between 17 and 22), and when you are old enough to support a family (gotta be more than a few years after high school) and age when the hormones, media and brain structure start telling you to reproduce like a rabbit (11-16) is a paradox when it comes to choosing where to draw the line.

there's no way we can deport (them) all... ...so why try?
Funny, but we don't take this philosophy any where else! We can't eliminate all crime, pollution or poverty, yet we continue to do what we can!

I believe that the deterence of a deportation policy would extend beyond the actual numbers of illegals deported, as others evaluated the risks of coming or staying illegally in the US.

All the public talk just seems to exacerbate the problem. Foreign nationals hear that America is going to close the borders or give amnesty and they rush up here. Men and women who might wait longer to have children now have "anchor babies" to better their odds of not getting deported/becoming US citizens.

Jay is absolutely correct about insurgents. William S. Lind says that "In Third Generation war, invasion by immigration can be at least as dangerous as invasion by a state army. I think he alludes it carries on to fourth gen warfare.

I'm all for legal immigration, and the kind which doesn't discriminate (as it currently does). Illegal, not so much.

d'oh! The above link goes to an anti-war site. Guess I was too focused on trying to find some info I read long ago. :) Mea culpa.

It still stands, though. I just wanted to forewarn you.

Just as so many are doing their Pavlovian thing in regard to Clinton...(whom i despise)
Ya really think Rudi's support of a Pedo Cardinal and lifting Bernie K through the ranks won't be fodder?
Ya think NYFD won't call Rudi out?
Republicans are saying "Please HRC"
Democrats are saying "Please Rudi"
Those of us that see both as phonies?
Buckle up!

As for immigration...
Have you, or somebody you know been replaced by a company hiring illegal immigrant?
Have you, or somebody you know been replaced by a company going outside our country?

Which is the threat that you have the most experience?
But hey...look at the shiny immigration thing..and keep saving money from buying those cheap products from China.

imhotep:

BTW, it is extremely hard to come to the U.S. legally. It takes years and is very cumbersome.

Quick... call a whaaaambulace for imhotep!

Too frickin' bad it's haaaard!!! And after the wait, and after gaining entry legally it is very much healthier for the individual and very much more rewarding both in educational and financial terms than where they came from.