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Who Says Feminists Have No Sense Of Humor?

According to the feminists, the greatest threat to women's rights worldwide has to be George W. Bush and the Republicans. In order to come to that conclusion, they had to manage to overlook certain other things -- such as the way Islam tends to treat women.

For example, they are so wrapped up in possessing and controlling women -- especially their sexuality -- that they insist that their wives be virgins on their wedding night. (Men, of course, are exempt from such restrictions.) This has led to a surge in "re-virginizing" surgeries in England, the tab picked up by the NHS. In other words, British subjects are paying to restore women's hymens in deference to Muslim prejudices.

Then, in Saudi Arabia, a woman was gang-raped. Her attackers were sentenced to jail (no small miracle in a Muslim nation), but it came out that before the rape, she had been -- horror of horrors! -- traveling in a car with a man who was NOT a relative. For that horrific crime, she was sentenced to 90 lashes. And when she protested and appealed it, it was upped to 200 lashes.

Finally, in Basra, Iraq, a group of militant Muslims have decided that they need to enforce Islamic law on women. Those who are so bold and arrogant to go outside in something besides the Muslim-approved Hefty trash bag run the risk of being beaten or killed. Iraqi officials are trying to put an end to it, but they are finding it difficult.

And despite all that, George W. Bush is a greater threat to women than Islam.

Those wacky feminists. What will they say next?


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They'll probably blame Bush... (Below threshold)

They'll probably blame Bush for that!

White liberal feminists don... (Below threshold)
White male:

White liberal feminists don't really care about brown people. Well, maybe except for when the help arrives late to serve and clean up for their dinner parties.

Party affiliation trumps al... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Party affiliation trumps all.

"According to the feminists... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"According to the feminists, the greatest threat to women's rights worldwide has to be George W. Bush and the Republicans."

Huh? I'd love to see your sample size on this one.

Besides, I'm pretty sure one of his campaign slogans was "The W is for women." Can't go wrong there.

<a href="http://www.google.... (Below threshold)
Sheesh, I hope you don't te... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Sheesh, I hope you don't teach your students that "Google" is actually bona fide evidence of anything. Poor kids.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=teacherdave&btnG=Search

According to google, you are 30, Pacific Islander, live in the UK and are gay. Which is true?

"Those wacky feminists. Wha... (Below threshold)

"Those wacky feminists. What will they say next?"

Proably something like "all intercourse is rape" (I've forgotten who) or "Heterosexual sex is politically correct only when the man has a limp penis." (Andrea Dworkin)

Whoops, they said those things some time ago, didn't they?

Ah Google. I'm familiar wi... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ah Google. I'm familiar with that:

Campaign for Afghan Women & Girls (Feminist Majority Foundation)

Challenging Fundamentalisms: A Web Resource for Women's Human Rights (AWID & WLUML)

Equality Now campaigns, including "the campaign against female genital mutilation," "the Afghan Women's Summit," "the Protocol on the Rights of Women in Africa," and just this week, Iran: End Harassment of Women's Rights Defenders--Human Rights Groups Protest Imminent Imprisonment of Delaram Ali

NOW, on the other hand, doesn't seem to give a shit about women outside the United States, but that is just one group among many.

I couldn't find anything on any of those sites naming George W. Bush as "a greater threat to women than Islam." Go figure.

I made the mistake one day ... (Below threshold)
Candy:

I made the mistake one day of spending about three hours looking up the horrors of Female Genital Mutilation.

I had become involved with this research after a young girl died in Egypt this past summer during such a procedure.

Anyone who thinks the Muslims are ANYTHING but cruel to women and girls must spend at least some time on this subject.

The American role in Afghan... (Below threshold)

The American role in Afghanistan has so far done little to raise the station of women in that nation. Few schools that allow females an education exist in Afghanistan. And many young girls and women, aged 11-20 years of age, still set themselves on fire to protest the arranged marriages of child brides to older men not of their choosing. Entire poorly stocked hospital burn wards exist of young girls and women who barely survived their suicide/protests attempts.

The U.S. has so far done little to nothing for the women in Afghanistan, and even funded the war against the Soviets who at least intended to make Afghanistan a godless Communist state and drive out religious practices that kept women unequal,and intended to open schools and hospitals open to all Afghanistan citizens.

Do muzzies hate women, or g... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Do muzzies hate women, or gays more? Guess we should ask who is more feminine, feminists, or gays?

Of course the radical femin... (Below threshold)

Of course the radical feminists think Bush is the worst thing to happen to women - just like they think Marx is a great guy, global warming is caused by humans, higher taxes are good for the economy, and the whole bundle of silliness that leftists are required to believe in.

Ever seen a leftist protest?

PaulThe U.S.... (Below threshold)

Paul

The U.S. has so far done little to nothing for the women in Afghanistan, and even funded the war against the Soviets who at least intended to make Afghanistan a godless Communist state and drive out religious practices that kept women unequal,and intended to open schools and hospitals open to all Afghanistan citizens.

Do you write this stuff as satire or do you really believe it?

HughSYou Beat me t... (Below threshold)
epador:

HughS

You Beat me to it.

HughS, I'm sure your momma ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

HughS, I'm sure your momma told you not to make fun of retards so leave Paul alone.
Note: 4,699 active duty military members died in 81-82 with no wars. 3800 died in 05-06 while fighting two wars.
No one was freed from slavery and worse in 81-82, over 50 million have been freed since 2001.

Dear HughS, Epador and Scra... (Below threshold)

Dear HughS, Epador and Scrapiron: Afghan society is virtually prehistoric in nature including it's treatment of women and religious and cultural practices. As distatseful as the old Soviet system was, it was at least a model for some social improvement in such a socially backward state as Afghanistan, and since the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse, it's influence in Afghanistan would have been short lived. The alternative was the Reagan Administration's misguided support for Osama Bin Laden and other Islamic extremist fighters who were more radical than even the Mujahedeen fighters such as the Taliban who fought against the Soviets, and then attacked the U.S. in 9/11 after they came to power.

The current U.S. policy is only to control these problems we helped to create in the first place such as Afghanistan as a major base for Islamic extremists and terrorists. Afghanistan also continues to an international drug problem, with one regional governor ignoring poppy fields right outside his offices. Women continue to do poorly in this backward primitive society. It would be difficult to imagine a Soviet dominated Afghanistan as even half the trouble that the recent one has become. Compared to what we have now, the Soviets looked like mere social workers coming in rather than any serious geoglobal threat such as the Al Qaeda terrorists and drug merchants have become.

First the Soviets, then the U.S. had to invade Afghanistan because this primitive state breeds such dangerous movements and other factors than endanger world stability and peace. A real solution for Afghanistan would be some modernization of the culture there and real social advancement.

PaulAs dista... (Below threshold)

Paul

As distatseful as the old Soviet system was, it was at least a model for some social improvement in such a socially backward state as Afghanistan....tell that to Alexander Solzenhitzen, Pasternak, Stravinsky and others. They would spit on you. Sakharov would probably assault you for such an insult.

It would be difficult to imagine a Soviet dominated Afghanistan as even half the trouble that the recent one has become. Compared to what we have now, the Soviets looked like mere social workers coming in rather than any serious geoglobal threat such as the Al Qaeda terrorists and drug merchants have become.....ok, I am now certain you actually believe this stuff.

Paul, the Sovs wanted Afghanistan for ONE reason:It was a strategic base for executing a larger strategy. They weren't stopping there for the local flavor, to advance women's rights nor to build schools. They wanted ME oilfields.


Paul:How many mont... (Below threshold)
epador:

Paul:

How many months have YOU spent in Afghanistan?

I been there, and a few of the former Soviet republics that surround it.

You are full of BS.

I am not disagreeing that m... (Below threshold)
epador:

I am not disagreeing that much of Afghanistan is primitive, but its hardly pre-historic, and the Soviet influence in the surrounding "somewheristans" has not left a legacy of women's rights and equality. The Soviet presence was basically a Kabul-thing, and outside of that area, they had little influence on society.

If the US isn't doing much to try to help women's education, etc., then, as just one example, what schools have the Taliban been targeting there since we started building them?

Your patina of intellectual argument does little to conceal the base propaganda you are espousing.

epadorAnd it is ju... (Below threshold)

epador

And it is just that...a patina of intellectual argument...a small slim veneer of words in an attempt to give cover for a legion of murderous Russians who would kill us in an instant if they believed they pull it off without retaliation.

Here's the thorn that will remain in your side Hoosan: Ronald Reagan understood this well and the Russians also knew he understood it well.

Think about what you're say... (Below threshold)

Think about what you're saying here, Hooson.

The Soviet system killed literally hundreds of millions of people, and ruined the lives of many, many more. It threatened the world with armageddon. And you're saying it would have been a step UP for the Afghans?

J.

I think people like Paul wo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I think people like Paul would have lauded the Soviet Union over America during the cold war. Now it is difficult to do that with a straight face, so Paul has to claim that communism is better for Afghanistan. Why not American style democracy for Afghanistan? That would be American imperialism. Soviet imperialism is OK with Paul.

And the bunch will blame th... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

And the bunch will blame the GOP for all the years they suffered becuase of some wacky thing they have come up with
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Jay, I certainly agree with... (Below threshold)

Jay, I certainly agree with your assessment of the historic cruelty of Communism. However in the late days, especially under Gorbachev, this cruelty all but disappeared. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan they were at least required to bring in aid of some sort to Afghanistan, which is like a huge welfare client state, due to extreme poverty of this land.

The Reagan Administration was also split between Secretary Of State George Schultz who wanted first strike U.S. military attacks on terrorist bases around the world and Reagan and others who only viewed the world in Cold War U.S. vs. Soviets terms. The Cold War elements supported a foreign policy meant to drive out the Soviet invasion, supporting efforts by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to recruit extremist fighters such as Osama Bin Laden and other founders of Al Qaeda to establish terrorist bases in Afghanistan and remote areas of Pakistan to aid the Mujahadeen fighters opposing the Soviet invasion. This allowed both Al Qaeda and Taliban elements permanent bases in Afghanistan and Pakistan that still exist today, despite U.S. efforts, and the spread of Al Qaeda terrorism throughout the world. Do you think that maybe George Schultz was right?

Epador, certainly much of the Soviet influence was in the Kabul area. But so is the limited American influence as well. Much of the countryside of Afghanistan outside of Kabul remains under Talibanlike elements or continues to produce drugs that fuel problems in the Western world. The tiny U.S.-NATO influence in Afghanistan is hardly enough to defeat Al Qeada or the Taliban, or the foreign aid from the U.S. enough to modernize this culture and provide schools or hospitals.

The U.S. used Afghanistan as a battleground for Cold War politics during the Reagan years, and now as battleground for a tiny limited police action against Islamic extremism, far short of what's needed to defeat either the Taliban/Al Qaeda elements or the drug trade or to bring Aghanistan into the modern world.

Do you think that may... (Below threshold)

Do you think that maybe George Schultz was right?..possibly, but you have failed to mention another prominent American politician in this equation.


The U.S. used Afghanistan as a battleground for Cold War politics during the Reagan years,

What prominent US politician is missing from this graph?

Paul, get your head around history and then serve up your ideology. Where are Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton in this myopic treatise you present? I'll answer the question for you: Absent


It goes to show that femini... (Below threshold)
Dave:

It goes to show that feminists really aren't supportive or committed to their so called beliefs. I believe this is indicative of liberals in general.

The situation for women in ... (Below threshold)

The situation for women in Afghanistan has improved *enormously*, Paul.

From the New York Times on infant mortality:

"That represents a drop of 18 percent, and means that 40,000 to 50,000 fewer infants are dying now than in the Taliban era, Dr. Fatimi said. (...)
The findings are probably conservative, he said, since mothers were interviewed about the children they had given birth to over the past five years, and health services only began to improve countrywide in 2004."

But you have to figure where they *started* from.

"Afghanistan still fares worse than Chad and Somalia in infant mortality, Dr. Fatimi said. And the number of women dying in childbirth in Afghanistan remains the second highest in the world after Sierra Leone, he added."

Child mortality reflects the health care available to women. Women are being trained to mid-wife (since women can NOT see a male doctor) while under the Taliban they would not have been able to get training at all.

Life SUCKS to be female in Afghanistan, but it's sucks less now than it did before. That's called progress.




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