What's your problem? Of course we all know Islam is a sick/twisted/hateful religion. But this man did not have personal issues with Islam - he had them with Christianity. What is your point? That this man should have shot Muslims instead? Why don't you look at your own religion and try to improve it rather than always pointing out the admittedly most dangerous religion in the world.

No, Fred, the point, as I said, is that his rantings are virtually indistinguishable from those of liberal moonbats like Rosie O'Donnell. Does that mean that every moonbat who hates Christianity is going to go on a shooting spree? No. I just find it interesting that so many liberals have so much venom for Christianity, and so little for Islam. Did I, at any point, even hint that Murray should have shot Muslims instead? Nope. I simply made an observation. If that offends you, then... well, I don't know what to tell you.

"Why dont You look at Your own religion and try to improve it?"

How and why?

"Why dont You look at Your own religion and try to improve it?"

How and why?
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The reality is that we, humans, are imperfect. So there is always room for improvement in Christianity. But again we are imperfect and finitem, so we need to prioritize our problems. Looks like the two biggest problems we have right now are (1) fundamentalist atheism (in communist countries and even in the west) and (2) radical Islamism.

Ok, so if someone says something critical of Christianity, it doesn't count unless they also mention islam?

Fred respects this guy's opinion and his 'personal problems with Christianity'! I guess we should consult the gospel of Fred Rosie Murray to see what the unified spiritual leaders of Earth dictate must be done in order to improve Christianity? Wow. I wonder who else he thinks is brilliant enough to study and emulate in order for us to become better people?

Food for thought, Fred: 'Religion' is man's way of making HIMSELF acceptable to God. Christianity is God's way of making man acceptable unto Himself.

Do you understand that statement? If not, and if you make no attempt to open-mindedly try to understand it, this comment is a waste of time. Only Chuck Norris can lead a horse to water AND make him drink. Go get a koran and read it for an hour. Skip around to any pages you want. Go get the New Testament and read it for an hour. Skip around to any pages you want. It would be interesting to find out what a master of open-minded tolerance concludes that the two have in common. An hour or two oughta be pleny of time for someone as smart as you, no?

Wow, one lone psycho represents the thought patterns of "so many" liberals?

How about writing an analysis of the Christian-loving beliefs of Mark David Uhl? Or the conservative values of Timothy McVeigh?

How about writing an analysis of the Christian-loving beliefs of Mark David Uhl? Or the conservative values of Timothy McVeigh?

That never stopped a lot of liberals from painting all conservatives with the same brush.

Let's look at all the ridiculousness in this post. First, we have this:

He apparently follows the liberal thought pattern on Christianity, as he allegedly was behind a series of blog posts decrying the "nightmare" and "abuses" of Christianity.

One wonders exactly what Cassy means by "the liberal thought pattern on Christianity," since most American liberals are Christians, but one can assume that Cassy means that liberals don't like Christianity in some way. While she's happy to assign Murray's railing against Christianity some sort of liberal label, to do so means she has to ignore some central facts. First, Murray was raised and home-schooled in a devout Christian home. Second, he tried to become a missionary, but was kicked out of the same missionary training school where he started his rampage. His writings on the web have been examined, and there's many revealing things there (source):

Chrstnghtmr writes that at age 17, after an attempt at going "all out for Jesus," he plunged into a "dark suicidal depression" because he somehow couldn't live up to the rules. He wrote he felt he was "failing God."

Gee, sounds like your typical liberal atheist to me!

He also talks of hearing voices, and being put on antidepressants. The guy was clearly disturbed, and much of his anger ended up being directed towards his Christian upbringing and the church, which he felt rejected by (or that he couldn't live up to, alternately).

All of that Cassy ignores in order to paint Murray as some sort of liberal Christian-hater, so that she can segue into a ridiculous rant about how liberals don't demonize Muslims enough.

She comes up with a bunch of bullshit, such as:

Under sharia law, a woman raped is the guilty party, not the victim, and there's no outcry from the feminazis who claim to be looking out for the welfare of women everywhere.

There are a wide variety of feminist and human rights groups who work constantly advocating the rights of women everywhere and highlighting the abuses of women in other countries, including Muslim countries (I pointed out a number of them in another stupid post about how feminists don't care about Muslim women by Jay).

A teenage girl is strangled by her Muslim father for refusing to wear a hajib, and the media labels it a "domestic dispute" blind to colour or creed and a "teenager issue".

Yes, yes. The WaPo uses a headline that Malkin doesn't like and Islamic spokespeople describe it in ways she also doesn't like and somehow "the media" has "whitewashed" the story. Of course they have to ignore every other media reports on it, but hey, you usually can't get enough outrage going without ignoring a lot of details.

Some Muslim countries still practice female genital mutilation.

Actually, most female genital mutilation happens among non-muslims, mostly in Africa, but hey, that doesn't quite fit the meme, now does it? Not only that, but there are tons of groups, feminist and otherwise, working to end this practice.

It must be interesting to constantly live in an alternative state of warped reality.

You tell us.

That never stopped a lot of liberals from painting all conservatives with the same brush.

Ah, so it's just another case of "it's OK if you're a Republican/Christian/conservative". Thanks for clearing that up.

Brian: "How about writing an analysis of the Christian-loving beliefs of Mark David Uhl? Or the conservative values of Timothy McVeigh?"

Wow.

Try googling "Clinton McVeigh Oklahoma City Limbaugh".

Or how about "Haggard Republican conservative leader."

That second one really threw me for a loop. A couple of my liberal acquaintences wanted to know what I, as a conservative, thought about one of my "major leaders" being caught in a hypocritical tryst with a male prostitute.

They actually didn't believe me when I told them that I had never heard of Ted Haggard before that story broke. They admitted they had not either, but just assumed from the media coverage that Haggard represented "alot of conservatives."

So, in conclusion, it's silly to lay any one individuals actions at the feet of a much larger group.

However, there are salient points to be made in comparing the demented blog ramblings of this murderer and the language and claims used by SOME prominent liberals (like Rosie) which are, at times, indistinguishable from each other.

That would have been a much less problematic assertion as all one would have to do is cut and paste some of Rosie's transcripts.

"Or the conservative values of Timothy McVeigh?"

Not conservative values..Islamic values, blowing things up because You dont like the way things are?

No one will take issue with mantis' comment, because he's right, as usual.

914: agreed. McVeigh was secretly a Jihadist. Do your knuckles get sore from being dragged on the ground all day?

What "conservative values of Timothy McVeigh"?

Killing over 150 people inside a building, including children in a daycare, is not a "conservative value".

Also, he was an atheist, at least from what I can remember reading. Got the services of a priest at the last minute, before he was to face a Much Greater Judge than the jury that condemned him to death.

He was a sorry excuse for a human being. Maybe he is now giving Murray some pointers on surviving Hell... don't you think?

Your a douche. I came here to find out how old this guy is so I could do a report. You tuned it into a political battle. Thanks a lot.

Killing women and children with suicide bombings isn't an Islamic value either, newton, though I'm sure you'd disagree.

Mantis didn't dig too deep either, but we should give him credit for being better than Brian. Any FYI, Eleanor Smeal, the president of Feminist Majority Foundation (a major liberal) is not shy to use Afghan women as a propaganda prop for her anti-christian bigotry. But as usual, I think she is simply projecting her own bigotry.

http://feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=6923

Earlier this month, Eleanor Smeal, President of the Feminist Majority Foundation, chatted with a full house of Leadership Alliance activists and online Choices Campus Community members. The chat, "The War Against Women: Connecting Domestic and International Terrorism," focused on the right-wing's use of religion as a cover for their violent tactics. Smeal drew connections between anti-women's rights terrorists domestically and internationally.

Question: Eleanor, how closely do the Afghanistan Taliban and American radical right wing groups resemble one another?

Smeal: The extremist groups in the United States frighteningly resemble the Al Queda and the Taliban. They have similar identities. The Mujahideen means "soldiers of God" and is the extreme Islamists from which the Taliban "students of God" descended.....Both want to use capital punishment for adultery, homosexuality, abortion, apostasy, etc. Both are using violence and terror as a strategy to achieve their ends. Both are targeting Jews, religious minorities, homosexuals, feminists and Americans. Both are using a cell structure with plausible deniability. I could go on and on about the similarities.

"Ok, so if someone says something critical of Christianity, it doesn't count unless they also mention islam?"

Actually, not so much "it doesn't count" as "it's pointless."

It's like, if you have two neighbors, both of whom allow their dogs to run into your yard off leash, and one is a rabid rotweiler, complaining that the toy poodle is running amok without focussing on the rotweiler issue is not a constructuve use of time. Especially once the jaws have clamped onto your leg.

With a rabid Islam running amok, why would anyone even bother to blow gaskets over Christianity peeing in the Azaleas?

Ben

"Killing women and children with suicide bombings isn't an Islamic value either, newton, though I'm sure you'd disagree."

Hundreds of islamic clerics preach that it is. They are native Arabic speakers and have spent their lives studying Islam (*and VERY little else!). But you know better, right? Go explain in the Madrassahs in Wazirstan and Saudi Arabia and the slums in Gaza this theory of yours. Let us know how it goes over with people highly trained in Islam.

Ben

Mantis didn't dig too deep either, but we should give him credit for being better than Brian. Any FYI, Eleanor Smeal, the president of Feminist Majority Foundation...blah blah

Oh, you mean the Feminist Majority Foundation that funds Afghan schools for girls, provides scholarships for Afghan women to study in the US (since they can't do it there), and works to, as they put it, "win the full and permanent restoration of women's rights, promote the leadership of women in the planning and governing of post-Taliban Afghanistan, increase and monitor the provision of emergency and reconstruction assistance to women and girls, urge the expansion of peacekeeping forces, and support the Afghan Ministry for Women's Affairs, the Afghan Independent Rights Commission and Afghan women-led non-governmental organizations (NGOs)?"

That kind of stuff is almost as worthwhile as sitting around demonizing all Muslims, but we can't all be assholes. Some people just want to do some good.

Despite Mantis's spinning, this looks like white washing to me.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=8F41E196-9DAD-4EB0-8F89-DFC50EB01A23

Despite the Canadian public's disgust and outrage over this murder and in contrast to Parvez's courage, the Toronto Star avoided tackling head on the issue of Muslim male intolerance and violence toward female family members who wish to establish their independence and lead their own lives. Instead, the Star published a story that, incredibly, accuses a supposedly racist Canadian society for being equally responsible for the cultural "tension" in Muslim families concerning the issue of head coverings. In the story, two young Muslim women say some Muslim families do not want their daughters to wear the hijab because it will make them "the targets of racism." If only Aqsa Parvez could have lived in such a family! Not surprisingly, no Muslim women or girls were interviewed who are forced to wear the Islamic clothing.

Mantis,
Despite her bigotry, I welcome their help as long as they keep their bigotry at home and not impose their abortion fanaticism on the Afghan women.
Hey, I got that from your own link on FSF, thanks. So obviously you didn't look very hard. Using her standard, I will give her an "A" for rhetoric and an "F" for a shameless exploitation of Afghan women for her pet bigotry.

Some people just want to do some good.
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Good point. Don't know whether you heard about Korean missionaries killed in Afghanistan? Remember the two young American ladies who went to Afghanistan during the Taliban rule to work with women/children there, instead of using them as a propaganda ploy for a leftist pet cause.

You read FrontPage? What a maroon!

Those idiots, like Cassy, can't get a good outrage going without ignoring an awful lot. Notice that the author doesn't bother to link to the Toronto Star? It's because he doesn't want anyone to do any looking for themselves there, where they may just do a search and find all of these articles.

What was it the idiot Stephen Brown wrote?

the Toronto Star avoided tackling head on the issue of Muslim male intolerance and violence toward female family members who wish to establish their independence and lead their own lives.

I guess he had to ignore stories such as this one: Teen's slaying sparks 'honour killing' debate.

Don't expect any response to your next non-sequitur, LAI. Swatting down your nonsense is not worth the bother.

Mantis,
Feel free to run away when your antic is called out. Again, from your very own link (you didn't look too hard again). Culture clashes caused the death of this girl. Just want to a quick spin?

http://www.thestar.com/article/285178
While it's impossible to say whether better support could have eased the culture clash that may have led to the death of Mississauga 16-year-old Aqsa Parvez on Monday, service providers say such intergenerational conflicts are common in immigrant communities.

Mantis, looks like you didn't even read your own article! Just want a quick spin. The Sun must bring in the racism. I would be surprised if you don't know a spin. But feel free to run away.

On Facebook, at least 11 groups have surfaced in response, with more than 5,000 members, some ranting, some pontificating and others spewing racial epithets.

Looks like when the bigotry and hypocrisy of the left is exposed and Mantis 's spin for them is exposed, he reverted back to his typical dishonest trademark of ad-hominem insults. This is just another example in a long list.

Thank you Matthew for your sacrifice.
I wish i could have known you.

Your comments reflect the mentality of the young brainwashed Christian against any attack. Moonbats is an appropriate term for a child's use. It is not appropriate to use in any intellectual comment, even in defense of the indefensible. This young man was driven to an act of insanity by the depravity and hypocrisy of a trusted leader. Some people are fragile and cannot handle the pressures of living under a Taliban existence even in their own church. Evangelical Christianity is evil and must go.

Evangelical Christianity is evil and must go.

It is no wonder why Jesus said upon the cross,
"Father, forgive them for they know not what
they do".
How exactly should christianity be done away
with? The way of the romans, or maybe something
more modern, the communists.
Secular man has committed more killing of his own kind in the
20th century, than all of the worlds religions
combined.

This is nothing compared to billions of people enslaved and hundreds of millions killed by atheism. "Atheism is very evil and it must go". I think Ian would agree with that.

Cassy Fiano is full of absolute foolishness and generalizations. This action is obviously the fault of a very sick individual who was in a state of deep hurt and confusion. Comparing his actions to the words of Rosie O'Donnell is like comparing George Bush to Charles Manson. It's just foolishness. Cassy, your words however based on generalization, are themselves very harmful and disturbing. Shame on you.

The author is foolish and speak out of generalization. Shame on you

The anti-christian bigotry (and anti-Catholic bigotry in particular) is the norm, not the exception on the left. Any honest liberal would be disturbed by this bigotry instead of trying to make excuse for it.