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There were two developments on Friday regarding the liberal media's latest pet peeves:

1. AG Refuses to Give Details in CIA Videotape Inquiry

Attorney General Michael Mukasey refused Friday to give Congress details of the government's investigation into interrogations of terror suspects that were videotaped and destroyed by the CIA. He said doing so could raise questions about whether the inquiry is vulnerable to political pressure.

Is it just me or does that whole kerfuffle have the same feel to it as that Abu Ghraib kerfuffle from back when the media was trying to elect Jean Francois?

2. Senate GOP Blocks Democrats' anti-CIA Bill

Senate Republicans on Friday blocked a bill that would restrict the interrogation methods the CIA can use against terrorism suspects.

Do the MediaCrats actually want another 9/11?

Or are they really that f'n stupid?


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They are really that stupid... (Below threshold)
David:

They are really that stupid.

It's Kabuki theatre.<... (Below threshold)

It's Kabuki theatre.

Democrats know full well they aren't getting the internal details of an executive branch investigation without having a reason for it, but they play to the far left by "demanding" it anyway. They also know they can't pass their micro-management of CIA interrogations, but again, it plays well in Berkeley and 'Frisco.

So, no, they aren't that stupid, but they are pretty sure their leftist supporters are.

The leftists do not want an... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The leftists do not want another 9/11 because they don't believe 9/11 happened the way it did. So, yes, they are stupid. ww

Was that a rhetorical quest... (Below threshold)
COgirl:

Was that a rhetorical question? Of course they are that stupid. Democrats are looking for any issue to raise during the election year because they've proven that they can do absolutely nothing when they are in power. I knew when the story broke that there would surely be a Congressional investigation. It's right out of the playbook.

Do the MediaCrats ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:
Do the MediaCrats actually want another 9/11?

Or are they really that f'n stupid?

Can't it be both?

Is it just me or does th... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Is it just me or does that whole kerfuffle have the same feel to it as that Abu Ghraib kerfuffle

Abu Ghraib resulted in convictions and military demotions. I guess criminal behavior is just a "kerfuffle" to you. And I suppose that destroying potential criminal evidence, and acting in possible violation of a court order and in direct violation of instructions from the White House and Justice Dept., is something to which we should pay no mind. So yes, it's just you.

Do the MediaCrats actually want another 9/11?

Given that the CIA already abandoned these interrogation techniques years ago, we can assume they don't believe their lack of use results in any additional risk. And by "we" I mean "rational people".

Abu Ghraib resulted in c... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Abu Ghraib resulted in convictions and military demotions. I guess criminal behavior is just a "kerfuffle" to you.

Compared to the breathless 24/7, crimes-against-humanity it was reported to be; yeah, it was just a "kerfuffle". The frat-boy pranksters got punished and the military got on with it's job. yawn.

Wow... so you think that a ... (Below threshold)
cw:

Wow... so you think that a bill prohibiting the CIA from TORTURING in OUR NAME is anti-CIA? You think that torture is good? It is this kind of arrogance that is at the root of the terrorism you fear so much.

The odds of a person dying from a terror attack are ridiculously low. How worried are you about dying in a car accident? It is an acceptable risk, isn't it? Well you are astronomically more likely to die in a car accident than you are from some terrorist attack. In fact, in 2001 THIRTY-FOUR TIMES as many people died due to automobile accidents than did in 9/11. I am not saying that 9/11 isn't horrible. It was. But I am just trying to show you some perspective. So to sacrifice our values and freedoms to be protected from a comparatively meager threat is just asinine.

Additionally, if we allow one government body to torture and eliminate the rights of a human, it is only a matter of time before those tactics are adopted and used on Americans for our own alleged "safety."

If you are really worried about your safety, do some research on the leading causes of death in america. Maybe you should be focusing on heart disease.

HAH! You are more likely to kill YOURSELF than be killed by any criminal/murder/serialkiller/terrorist.

Get your priorities straight dude. And make sure you wear a condom, cause AIDs is more likely to kill you than an IED.

/Sorry for the rant, I just hate when people try to say we need the government to protect us from the boogeyman.

Its a silly rant, cw. Obvi... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Its a silly rant, cw. Obviously our society places different priorities on intentional murders versus accidents. Nonetheless, we "sacrifice" freedoms in the name of reducing accidental death too.

Get some perspective yourself.

Liberal media? Who do you t... (Below threshold)
Greg P.:

Liberal media? Who do you think owns the media these days? Murdoch is certainly a media mogul, but his political/business bias are not liberal. When you refer to the "liberal media", are accusing corporate America of having a liberal bias or are you accusing them of pandering to their customers?

These "Liberal Media" quips are as shallow as they are thoughtless. But one must play to their strengths.

Seems the only laws that have mattered in the past ten years is whether or not someone lied in a civil trial. Treason I think was the battle cry. Very sane, rational folks.

Meanwhile we had covert CIA agent outed for partisan purposes. Her job was to get and gather nuclear proliferation intelligence in the middle east. Sure would be handy to have those intelligence capabilities these days, huh? Nah, better off burning all those contacts because someone said something uncomfortable in a newspaper.

This administration and their followers ARE the enemy the United State faces. These jackbooted thugs need to be purged from elected office and from our society. Send them all down to the south and let them secede from the Union. It's a shame they didn't win the war. The rest of the United States, and the world for that matter, would have been much better off.

They've been nothing but whinny, bible thumping authoritarians ever since Sherman made them atone for their selfishness.

Get over it, the South lost the war. Just like we are ALL going to lose the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We're toast. Thanks alot W.

Yes, it really is "just you... (Below threshold)
BlognDog:

Yes, it really is "just you" who is so dense as to refer to the house bill as "anti-CIA". For years we've listened sceptically as Bush has endlessly repeatedly his lie "we do not torture," yet when the House puts forward a bill that would make illegal the activity he says he's not doing, for some strange reason, Bush opposes it. Those of us with our heads out of our asses have noticed this -- maybe you should too.

SPQR- You are right, we do ... (Below threshold)
cw:

SPQR- You are right, we do sacrifice freedoms to reduce accidents. But, the freedoms we sacrifice are so that we do not accidentally harm others (with the exception of the stupid seat belt law). The freedoms we are being forced to surrender (or are just taken by this administration without congressional consent) are much wider in scope and consequence. To even think that the rights against unlawful search and seizure or habeas corpus and the right to drive as fast as you want are even in the same ball park is ridiculous.

It always starts small, a little encroachment, a slight inconvenience, a little something to get used to. A small, necessary thing to ensure safety. But safety from what? This government feeds on fear and paranoia: the consistent notion that there is someone among us, just waiting to detonate a dirty bomb. So gradually, tapping "suspicious person's" phones develops into government monitoring of all phones to keep us safe. It hasn't fully happened yet, but it is well on its way. The wiretapping program's scope already extends beyond suspicious persons. They monitor calls out of this country. There are also reports suggesting the NSA is analyzing calls made between people in the US.

Many of you decry the nanny state, and I am with you on that. But what you fail to see is that the erosion of our civil liberties does not make us any more safe or free. If we keep giving up a little liberty here, a little freedom there for our safety from a phantom threat, eventually we will have no freedom and no safety.

They are linked problems, and both democrats and republicans are guilty of stripping us slowly of our freedoms, be it the freedom to eat what we want, the freedom to make private phone calls, or the right to habeas corpus, or the right to keep the government from searching my home and computer files for incriminating evidence without GOOD probable cause and judicial oversight.

Benjamin Franklin put it best I believe, even after all of these years: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

In short, by sacrificing our freedoms we are hurting ourselves more than the terrorists ever could. The ideas our country stands for cannot be destroyed by explosives or violence, but they can easily be destroyed by fear and a few people with pens.

CW - You bring up a good po... (Below threshold)
Greg P.:

CW - You bring up a good point about the Nanny State. I've never met anyone that wanted the government to fix everything. Corporate America certainly wants the government to fix things in their favor, but that's another story.

On one hand we have devoted Bush supporters decrying the Nanny State, yet begging for the government to protect them from some enemy that may or may not exist in our neighborhood.

I'm more afraid of what our government than I am of any terrorist.

And just to put it into perspective, all these justified powers Bush has accumulated in the past seven years will be Hillary's in 2009! The blind faith demonstrated by Bush's supporters will surely be put to the test in 2009.

According to the NY Times today, in 2000, the NSA drew up a report for the incoming Bush administration that stated their need to get into phone companies switches. In February 2001, the NSA approached Qwest with a request to for access to the swithes in their central office that handled predominantly local, neighborhood to neighborhood calls. Qwest refused the request. Wasn't long after that the SEC investigated the CEO of Qwest. Coincidence?

So there is more than a pattern of our government behaving badly. And this latest deal with the CIA is the tip of the iceberg.

Did we burn out all of our outrage over the witchhunt that was AKA the Clinton Administration? Eight years of weekly, false accusations.

Bush has wrought such havoc and damage on this nation that it will take generations to undo what he has done. Every federal agency has been put in charge by persons who previously fought the agency they now head. Putting the fox in the hen house, so to speak.

People cheer this administration on from a cathartic perspective. If tough talk feels good, it must be good. Sadly, the facts don't support that subjective analysis.

CW - You bring up a good po... (Below threshold)
Greg P.:

CW - You bring up a good point about the Nanny State. I've never met anyone that wanted the government to fix everything. Corporate America certainly wants the government to fix things in their favor, but that's another story.

On one hand we have devoted Bush supporters decrying the Nanny State, yet begging for the government to protect them from some enemy that may or may not exist in our neighborhood.

I'm more afraid of what our government than I am of any terrorist.

And just to put it into perspective, all these justified powers Bush has accumulated in the past seven years will be Hillary's in 2009! The blind faith demonstrated by Bush's supporters will surely be put to the test in 2009.

According to the NY Times today, in 2000, the NSA drew up a report for the incoming Bush administration that stated their need to get into phone companies switches. In February 2001, the NSA approached Qwest with a request to for access to the swithes in their central office that handled predominantly local, neighborhood to neighborhood calls. Qwest refused the request. Wasn't long after that the SEC investigated the CEO of Qwest. Coincidence?

So there is more than a pattern of our government behaving badly. And this latest deal with the CIA is the tip of the iceberg.

Did we burn out all of our outrage over the witchhunt that was AKA the Clinton Administration? Eight years of weekly, false accusations.

Bush has wrought such havoc and damage on this nation that it will take generations to undo what he has done. Every federal agency has been put in charge by persons who previously fought the agency they now head. Putting the fox in the hen house, so to speak.

People cheer this administration on from a cathartic perspective. If tough talk feels good, it must be good. Sadly, the facts don't support that subjective analysis.




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