Border protection is in the eye of the beholder.

Thompson is against illegal immigration, but I don't see him opposed to legalization of mass immigration. He was a major H1B supporter and I'd need to see him affirm a position against amnesty and guest worker programs before I'd call him tough on immigration.

Uh... I thought that confusing immigration with illegal immigration was something that the liberals did deliberately in order to brand conservatives with the false charge of not liking new citizens or brown people.

I knew IMAO was a source before the end. Before Fred jumped into the race, spacemonkey and Frank J. kept putting up faux "Facts About Fred Thompson" which satirized the fawning expectations of the early Fred-o-philes. Or maybe they were serious - sometimes they are serious over there, as in their proposal to Nuke The Moon. . . .

Lo and behold! It's not only still there, it's been kept up-to-date!

"The shortest distance between two points doesn't go near Fred Thompson if it knows what's best for its lazy, shortcut seeking self."

and

"The reason the National Right to Life Committee is endorsing Fred Thompson is that they figured the best way to preserve life is to not piss off Fred Thompson."

LOL

Now I've got coffee all over this keyboard.
Thanks. LOL

The argument's never been about LEGAL immigration. Only a few freaks want to limit that outside of making sure that those coming in are actually here to work. The problem with securing the borders is ILLEGAL immigration and people evading the legal immigration and work processes.

Uh... I thought that confusing immigration with illegal immigration was something that the liberals did deliberately in order to brand conservatives with the false charge of not liking new citizens or brown people.

Maybe its illegal for a good reason.

And nice job for calling me a racist because I don't want unlimited quotas of immigration. Thanks.

Gonna go with the racist label there, jpm. If someone wants to work at a labor job and is willing to go through the paperwork to come in to this country legally, there's no reason we should be keeping em out, especially in the agricultural and unskilled labor areas. Also, amnesty's a different issue and shouldn't be considered.

So you want to eliminate quotas on immigration then Listkeeper?

Really don't see a need for quotas on guest workers, no.

LMAO! The natural disasters and the evolution blurbs were great! :D

Sorry, Listkeeper, guest worker program failed for a reason. Are you calling most of the country racist too?

Failed due to selective enforcement and over-limitation thanks to racists like yourself.
You afraid someone more competitive might come in on an H1B and take your job?

My employer dumped H1B employees quicker than they embraced them. So, I am not in any trouble from a a H1B. I can see where other professions aren't as polluted with H1B frauds and had their wages lowered from the dumping.

Don't see how illegal labor or legal labor dumping pushing wages down has anything to do with race.

You afraid to not have a labor underclass you can underpay? Or, let me guess, you're protected by senoirity, language or government certification in your job.

If they're here on H1B, it's doubtful they're "underpaid"... That was disproven as a myth a long time ago. If they're here as labor class workers, then they're likely showing competency and reliability when their American counterparts aren't even applying for the jobs they're doing.
Again, the only actual reason anyone's ever been able to prove for limiting guest workers in the country is racial. Failure to enforce the prior guest worker laws is a totally separate issue.

The idea is to NOT have a labor underclass. I'm inclined to oppose all amnesty to the extent of requiring people who've been here all their lives to GO HOME but I've no problem with them going home and then coming back legally under a rational plan either to apply for citizenship or a work visa or something. I'd like to see it be as easy as possible for people to return home themselves rather than just send money out of the country because crossing the border is too risky.

The problem with any plan I've ever seen is that there isn't any border enforcement or insistence that everyone play fair and follow the rules and, even if it's not easy, do what they need to do to comply... such as GO HOME.

Besides which, rather than Mexico exporting their poor and importing cash I'd like to see Mexico have to deal with residents who come home again with a little cash and expectations.

Because I'm evil that way.

In response to Listkeeper, job issues aside, here is the primary reason for not playing loose with our immigration from something I posted here:
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I think we need to include the reasons that have brought about it being illegal. The two strongest for me are:

1) We have the right to reject undesirable immigrants, this would include rejecting criminals and those who would threaten our national security. It also includes the right to reject someone who would be an economic burden.

2) We have the right to regulate immigration so that it won't outstrip capacity for the integration of immigrants into American Society. That integration would include willful and capable participation and respect to our systems of Justice and Government.

At some point you have to damn the smear attempts and go to the core reasons something is wrong or against common sense. Otherwise someone will pull the rug out from under you and you're done.

And again, your predjudices are generating strawmen. KTHX BYE

In other words, List, you won't expose your real motives to supporting your position and have to resort to ad hominem attacks to argue it. k thx bye.

The only motive I have in it is in that setting quotas for guest workers is pointless. There's a point in limiting WHO gets in on work visas, but absolutely no point in limiting how many....Unless you have some problem with having to compete for the US job market.

pure art.

but absolutely no point in limiting how many....Unless you have some problem with having to compete for the US job market.

The only possible reason someone would say that is if they were anti-American worker. Fine, let's let 50 or 100 million foreign workers in here and see what happens to wages.

You HAVE to limit who AND how many. The "who" for obvious reasons and there is a finite number of unskilled and agricultural jobs. Many Democrats don't like either limitation because it creates that underclass which will remain dependent on their programs when the number of immigrant laborers exceed the jobs available. Not to mention those unskilled Americans who depend on those jobs becoming dependent as well.

With all that aside, Synova cracked me up with this:

"Besides which, rather than Mexico exporting their poor and importing cash I'd like to see Mexico have to deal with residents who come home again with a little cash and expectations.

"Because I'm evil that way."

lol! There is indeed an upside to legalizing some of these illegal workers here now. It gives them the opportunity to cross back and wreak havoc there without fear of not being able to re-enter safely.

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