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Has Fox News Shut Out Ron Paul from the New Hampshire Debate?

LGF links to this Yahoo report that says yes, and Ron Paul supporters are sending out emails to rally the troops. I just got this email from a Ron Paul supporter although I'm not sure why because I don't support Ron Paul:

Take Action Now! Has Fox News Excluded Ron Paul From the Pre NH Primary Debate?

Please forward this URL to other Ron Paul supporters
http://www.ronaldholland.com/protestfox.htm


We need to send a message to Fox's Rupert Murdoch &
his fellow Neocon buddies that he is not Musharraf and
the US is not Pakistan, yet! Fox News cannot just
stifle public opinion. debate and impact a primary
election by excluding Ron Paul just because they don't
like his message of freedom and liberty.
Cover them up with e-mails and they will just say it
was a mistake or miscommunication.

Be respectful as all of the email addresses below are
just employees trying to keep their jobs with the
world's largest media monopoly. One of them, Judge
Napolitano is my choice for Ron Paul's VP running
mate.

I think this guy needs to climb down. Saying Fox News is like Pervez Musharraf is a bit extreme, don't you think?

Update: Ron Paul has weighed in on the controversy. The Boston Globe has a report:

Ron Paul said the decision to exclude him from a debate on Fox News Sunday the weekend before the New Hampshire Primary is proof that the network "is scared" of him.

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said in an interview at a diner here. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

Paul's staff said they are beginning to plan a rally that will take place at the same time the 90-minute debate will air on television. It will be taped at Saint Anselm College in Goffstown.

"They will not win this skirmish," he promised.

Ron Paul's blame America first isolationist foreign policy views are definitely something that we should all be afraid of, but not for the reasons he thinks. Pulling out of Iraq before the job is done, which is what Paul and the Democrats recommend, would be awful for America because it would portray us as being weak. Al Qaeda has lost so much credibility in the last view months, which devastates their cause in the Middle East, because they are being defeated so handily by our troops. The last thing we should do is assume the blame, pack up, and go home. Ron Paul's isolationism isn't just centered in Iraq. He is an isolationist (he calls himself a non interventionist) on principle:

It is time for Americans to rethink the interventionist foreign policy that is accepted without question in Washington. It is time to understand the obvious harm that results from our being dragged time and time again into intractable and endless Middle East conflicts, whether in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, or Palestine. It is definitely time to ask ourselves whether further American lives and tax dollars should be lost trying to remake the Middle East in our image.

Ron Paul would prefer that we completely ignore the violence and terrorism that has plagued the Middle East even though it has affected one of our greatest allies, Israel, and was brought to our own shores in 1993 with the first World Trade Center bombing, the US Embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya, and the USS Cole, all long before we were attacked on 9/11. Instead he insists these attacks were the actually caused by our actions, not those of the terrorists, and recommends that we ignore that part of the world completely. Yep, I'd say that's a pretty scary idea.


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Paul supporters need to be ... (Below threshold)
bob:

Paul supporters need to be patient. This could be a trick.

I haven't seen anything official from Faux yet, but we know the New Hampshire GOP favors his inclusion.

I'm thinking it could be a spoof like this one, but with evil intent.

...A wise ass AP staff writer "accidentally" omits Pauls name from THE AP STORY, Ron Paul Supporters go wild, and Faux makes fun of us Monday.

Let's get the facts first. Then if Faux News confirms their stupidity, we'll give 'um what they got coming.

Well, if true, it is about ... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Well, if true, it is about time!! The purpose of these debates SHOULD be to give us all a chance to evaluate the candidates who MIGHT POSSIBLY get the nomination.

Ron Paul CANNOT...under ANY circumstances!

Add to that fact the fact that he is borderline INSANE...on the wrong side of the border...and you have all the reasons needed to exclude him!

"Saying Fox News is like... (Below threshold)
Phoenix:

"Saying Fox News is like Pervez Musharraf is a bit extreme, don't you think?"

Bwahahahaha!!!! Hardly, Kim. Fixed News was and is the template for Pravda & Izvestia as well as Xinxua, the sort of media organs you Wizzers pattern yourselves after.

Phoenix, Kevin ... (Below threshold)
Dawnsblood:

Phoenix,
Kevin was kind enough to create a playpen for you children. It is called Wizbang Blue. Please let the adults speak here at the big table.

Bob,
RP can join the real candidates in NH when he actually has a shot until then, I really do hope they leave him out. More time for those that actually have a shot would be nice.

"Saying Fox News is like... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Saying Fox News is like Pervez Musharraf is a bit extreme, don't you think?"

The obvious answer would be "yes". Even half a brain would be able to decipher a real comparison, Phoenix.

"Bwahahahaha!!!! Hardly, Kim. Fixed News was and is the template for Pravda & Izvestia as well as Xinxua, the sort of media organs you Wizzers pattern yourselves after."

So learned with Russian (tabloid) and Chinese media! You remind me of some lyrics from that Talking Heads song, Psycho killer, (Quest que cest)

"You start a conversation you cant even finish it.
Youre talkin a lot, but youre not sayin anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?"

The fringe candidates have ... (Below threshold)

The fringe candidates have already had plenty of opportunities to participate in debates. If their performance in debates were going to increase their standing significantly, it would have already done so.

However, I would grant Paul an exception at this point in the race - even though I don't think most of his supporters are even Republicans, and won't support the nominee - because of his fundraising. He's the only candidate who has increased his money collected in each quarter of the year.

IMHO, the second tier candidates, including Paul, ought to have been shown the door after two or three debates to allow the real contenders more time. Having let them through this far, though, Paul's fundraising deserves to be recognized.

Other than a few, emphasis ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Other than a few, emphasis on FEW, PaulBots who cares. And please... spare me the "he's raised more money" crapola. His ticket for an all-day ride expires about March and all you PaulBots can go back to your IPods, WII's and sycophantic chat rooms to weep buckets of Crocodilian tears about how the U.S. is doomed! DOOMED without Ron Paul!

Phoenix - Oh gee look, it's a Lee Ward "look-alike," chest all puffed up with righteous indignation over Fox News.

NEWFLASH (you're an idiot):

The Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) at George Mason University ..... found that Fox News Channel's evening news show provided more balanced coverage than its counterparts on the broadcast networks.
Well gee Phoenix? Bet the only bookmarkes your browser holds are Media "Splatters," the DKos Kiddies, MorOn.org and Huff & Puff.

Why do you all think that t... (Below threshold)

Why do you all think that these X people are fringe candidates? Dennis Kucinich has one almost every single democratic poll lately, including DFA, PDA and the magazine, THE NATION. Why is the media TELLING us who the front runners are and who to vote for? We are Americans and we can vote for who we want. And who is actually the front runner is disinformation and manipulated news. The Clintons play golf and vacation with one of the major polling company's owners and their family, by the way. This is common knowledge.

I think this post was so wi... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

I think this post was so wise (and I know for a fact it's true) that I will repeat it.

"Paul supporters need to be patient. This could be a trick.

I haven't seen anything official from Faux yet, but we know the New Hampshire GOP favors his inclusion.

I'm thinking it could be a spoof like this one, but with evil intent.

...A wise ass AP staff writer "accidentally" omits Pauls name from THE AP STORY, Ron Paul Supporters go wild, and Faux makes fun of us Monday.

Let's get the facts first. Then if Faux News confirms their stupidity, we'll give 'um what they got coming."

AP are certainly wise asses. Also, with $20M for the 4th quarter, Ron Paul is the FRONTRUNNER in fundraising and is pulling at least 15% in NH, so there is no need to exclude him unless you are a news outlet that is losing conservative viewers faster than anything.

tarotlaydee - The Nation?</... (Below threshold)
marc:

tarotlaydee - The Nation?

Do you mean this poll where it's plainly stated at the bottom that the poll is "Not statistically valid?"

Ironic no? The poll is just as invalid as Kucinich is.

The story is true as posted... (Below threshold)
ckls:

The story is true as posted on Ron Paul's website: www.ronpaul2008.com.
The point for those reading this who do not support Ron Paul is if the media is allowed to exclude one candidate from a Presidential debate, what keeps them from excluding YOUR candidate next? Why is the media allowed to pick and choose our Presidential candidates for us? We, the voters, are suppose to be choosing the President, not Fox News. Hardly "Fair and Balanced"! Ron Paul just happens to be in the top tier now according to many polls and has brought in more campaign contributions than any other Republican candidate this quarter. He now has 18.5 million for the quarter. He is hardly a fringe candidate. Fox News does not like him for all the obvious reasons, but if Fox News is allowed to choose the debate candidates, we'd best be careful when it comes to the actual election!

NH_GOP - "Ron Paul is t... (Below threshold)
marc:

NH_GOP - "Ron Paul is the FRONTRUNNER in fundraising and is pulling at least 15% in NH, so there is no need to exclude him unless you are a news outlet that is losing conservative viewers faster than anything."

Frontrunner in fund raising, boy that's something to hang your hat on. (it is when that's all ya got)

Excuse me while I unsheathe my cluebat.... SO WHAT! Fund raising doesn't mean dog squat unless your talking near to or over hundreds of million of dollars. In the overall scheme of things Paul has enough for a cup of coffee, the rest of the field orders from the entire menu. (several times over)

And BTW, care to point to a valid source, with link, that suggests Fox "is losing conservative viewers faster than anything."

I thought not.

Mrs. Paul's fish . . . stic... (Below threshold)
Breaking News (TM):

Mrs. Paul's fish . . . sticks.

The PaulBots and Dennis din... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

The PaulBots and Dennis ding-a-lings are only in the game to prove that Americans aren't wrong and that 10% of the population really are stupid. This is the same group of people you see with their pants below their butt or they're hat sideways or backwards because momma told them the tag went in the back.

ckls - "The point for t... (Below threshold)
marc:

ckls - "The point for those reading this who do not support Ron Paul is if the media is allowed to exclude one candidate from a Presidential debate, what keeps them from excluding YOUR candidate next?"

Oh. My. God. Parish. The. Thought!!!

How about this... lets exclude them all, unless and until ALL the networks/debate sponsors put on something the resembles a debate not a canned made for TV/UTube circus of 30 second sound bites.

If you think for a single hot second I'm worried about "my candidate" being excluded from these freak shows you're sadly mistaken.

More from ckls - "Why is the media allowed to pick and choose our Presidential candidates for us?"

I didn't know they were making the choice, Paul and or Kucinich are still candidates that I'm aware of.

And BTW, pointing the the Paul site gets you nowhere near proving the story is true. His campaign only claims the AP and the New Hampshire State Republican Party (NHSRP) says it's true.

The AP has zero credibility and the NHSRP website and their blog make zero mentions that validate the story.

What6 else ya got?

The story is tr... (Below threshold)
The story is true as posted on Ron Paul's website: www.ronpaul2008.com.
And RonPaul2008.com would never post something that wasn't TWOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!1!!
ckls"Fox news d... (Below threshold)
914:

ckls

"Fox news does not like Him for all the obvious reasons"

What are these obvious reasons?? thet are so obvious I cant even see them.

Well just for you marc, Ron... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

Well just for you marc, Ron Paul has outraised every other GOP candidate for quarter 4, check the ticker on his website.

It now reads at $18,865,964.00 and some change.

Obviously you are speaking out of your ill-informed hat.

This is almost NINETEEN MILLION for this quarter alone, in addition to the previous $10 Million or so he's raised.

I'd say almost $30 Million puts him ahead of most others in fundraising and since these donations are all from individuals, I'd say that's more than a FEW supporters. (Talking out of your butt once again)

Your assessment that "Paul has enough for a cup of coffee, the rest of the field orders from the entire menu" is quite the opposite.

It's the others who are buying coffee, especially Huckabee with a paltry $1M to his name. (Andn proof he has little support despite being trumped up in the press, and having NO campaign to speak of here in NH)

marc, stop talking out of your ass when you have no clue.

marc, I forgot to mention t... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

marc, I forgot to mention the obvious: this means that Ron Paul has also outraised YOUR candidate.

WTF!

Bwahahahahha.

I want Ron in the debate fo... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

I want Ron in the debate for the same reason I enjoy watching Dennis in the DUmmie debates... for the same, twisted reason I enjoyed "Eraserhead".

Imagine how boring the debates would be without Uncle Ron or the Great Gazoo, Kucinich. No, they have no electability factor, but the entertainment factor ranks right up there with "Twin Peaks".

NH_GOP - "Well just for... (Below threshold)
marc:

NH_GOP - "Well just for you marc, Ron Paul has outraised every other GOP candidate for quarter 4, check the ticker on his website.

It now reads at $18,865,964.00 and some change.

Obviously you are speaking out of your ill-informed hat.

OOOO.... I'm soooo scared of someone who has raised $18,865,964.00.

Speaking of ill-informed hats. (that would be YOU) Shillary raised $26 million during the first reporting period and Obama-Whama-Slama raised $25 million in the same time frame.

At best, and if you look at cash on hand (as of Sept 30, 2007) Paul is fourth among the Rep candidates and 8th when counting dems and reps.

So... NH_GOP you keep touting the fund raising BS all you care to it means dog squat. It also means you have nothing else to praise your candidate for.

And finally it proves you have a propensity for using your sphincter muscle for a necklace.

NH_GOP - "marc, I forgo... (Below threshold)
marc:

NH_GOP - "marc, I forgot to mention the obvious: this means that Ron Paul has also outraised YOUR candidate.

WOW... how Kreskin-esque! Just how do you know who my candidate is? Can you also predict with some accuracy when NYC will be inundated by the global warming raising tide or when California will fall off into the ocean via the Big One?

Drew Cline says Ron will be... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

Drew Cline says Ron will beat Rudy in NH.

(See: Will Ron beat Rudy?)

Ron is the only serious candidate for millions of us.

Rudy, McCain (the real nutcase) and others are NOT serious candidates for millions of us especially in NH...

To me, McCain is about as fringe as they come, recommending amnesty and being supported by liberal newspapers and groups!
Same with Huckabee.

Anyone who is supported by the NEA on the GOP side can't be a 'for real' conservative.

On the contrary, NH_GOP, Ro... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

On the contrary, NH_GOP, Ron Paul is very much in line with the liberal agenda. He even has a strong statement against the war in Iraq. I'm for peace myself, but liberals love his extreme anti-war statements, not taking in the real need for National Security. I would say he's got the libs clamoring for more: http://www.antiwar.com/paul/ McCain, on the other hand, is mainly concerned with helping immigrants who are here legally and stronger border control. He never said illegals should get amnesty. I would think a REAL GOP would know their issues that affect "millions".

marc, I was not comparing R... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

marc, I was not comparing Ron to Democrats, only to Republicans.

He has more cash on hand than all except Rudy and Mitt.

The fact that $18M+ comes from individuals means he has more than a 'few' supporters.

And we have everything to praise him for.

"And we have everything to ... (Below threshold)
914:

"And we have everything to praise him for."

clap clap clap yeah...gimme 18 mil and You can keep the praise

One of the most annoying th... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

One of the most annoying things about the Kucinich nuts and the Paulnuts is that it is so difficult to tell the difference between the real comments and the parodies of them.

mullah cimoc say am... (Below threshold)
mullah cimoc:


mullah cimoc say ameriki not having the free press. just the control media. this call the media stalinism.

for begin study intel agency control of him usa media google: mighty wurlitzer +cia


then to know why ameriki woman now the slut, take LBT (low back tattoo) and sex with every man even the gang member. also to smoke the cigerette.

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then aemriki learn solution: each television station in usa to be allow own only by private citizen live in area serve by station, no person to own more than 1% stock, and then to abolish network of nbccbsabcfox. this to end the consolidate in media control like rupert murdoch scum and intel agency.
depp=true

Right you are, SPQR, unit w... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Right you are, SPQR, unit we see the comment voting as a last resort. And of course, the infamous mullah cimoc jibberish to cap off the lunacy.

That should be "until we se... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

That should be "until we see".

"Why is the media allowed t... (Below threshold)

"Why is the media allowed to pick and choose our Presidential candidates for us?"

Because it's a private entity and can decide who to include and who not to include.

But then it's not as though I was under any illusion that Paul was appealing to, you know, libertarians.

mullah cimoc aka NH_GOP... (Below threshold)
914:

mullah cimoc aka NH_GOP

very funny.

Fundraising doesn't mean sq... (Below threshold)

Fundraising doesn't mean squat if you can't make it produce the numbers (read votes) to make it count when it has to. Going by poll numbers, it looks to me that he's unable to produce the votes.

"The wild card in the race ... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

"The wild card in the race may well be U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an anti-war, anti-government maverick who has banked more campaign cash than any other candidate in the GOP field."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5409849.html

How is he unable to produce the votes when there has been no vote taken? LOL

And who else gets 5,000 people at ONE rally?
You are assuming that all those small donors are not going to vote for him. Most of the GOP have large donors and corporations but Paul's donors are all individuals some giving like $20. If you look on the widget on his site you can see that he is getting thousands of new donors all the time.

In NH most of his supporters don't get polled because they don't ask. So I don't know how you would measure how many 'votes' he'll get.

914 what is 'mullah cimoc'?... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

914 what is 'mullah cimoc'?

NH_GOP "He has more cas... (Below threshold)
marc:

NH_GOP "He has more cash on hand than all except Rudy and Mitt.

The fact that $18M+ comes from individuals means he has more than a 'few' supporters.

First of all asshat... oh sorry PaulBot, you lied. Your original contention was Paul led the Reps in fund raising in the fourth quarter. (comment #18, "Well just for you marc, Ron Paul has outraised every other GOP candidate for quarter 4, check the ticker on his website.")

The figures I gave were for the fourth quarter and he was third behind Rudy and Mitt.

What was that you said earlier? Something about ME pulling something out of my ass? Whatever asshat. you're very typical of the vast majority of PaulBots, you twist and misrepresent reality to the nth degree.

You've been at best proven to be misinformed about your own candidate, at worst a liar... put down that computer mouse and go away.

NH_GOP - ""The wild car... (Below threshold)
marc:

NH_GOP - ""The wild card in the race may well be U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, an anti-war, anti-government maverick who has banked more campaign cash than any other candidate in the GOP field."

You have the unmitigated audacity to pull that single quote after definitively being proven to be a lie?!!!

You have no shame. But wait, there's more "If you look on the widget on his site you can see that he is getting thousands of new donors all the time.

Yeah...OK, he also had on site and stated many times he had more support from the "U.S. Military" than any other candidate.

It was BS he and Obama had support from military workers, not military members.

To Marc:You don't kn... (Below threshold)
ckls:

To Marc:
You don't know what you are talking about! Neither Mitt nor Rudy have released their 4th quarter contributions. Only Paul has it listed in real time on his site. Huckabee has since copied and now has it on his site as well. Huckabee is struggling to receive 5 million for the quarter. Please show where Mitt and Rudy have declared their 4th quarter contributions. You are making things up.
Paul does in fact have more contributions from active duty and retired military than any other candidate. Please know your facts before spewing untruths.
Also, there is a huge difference between nonintervention and isolation. Please learn the difference.

NH GOP: "AP are certainly ... (Below threshold)
engineer:

NH GOP: "AP are certainly wise asses. Also, with $20M for the 4th quarter, Ron Paul is the FRONTRUNNER in fundraising and is pulling at least 15% in NH, so there is no need to exclude him unless you are a news outlet that is losing conservative viewers faster than anything."

I assume you mean 'polling' and not 'pulling'. Ron Paul hasn't garnered more than 9% in New Hampshire in any poll that I can find, and his average is 6.4%. That's a far cry from "at least 15%." If you use New Hampshire polling as your criteria, then Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter should also be out. However, the debate is not a 'New Hampshire' event, it is a 'national' event. Threfore, it would be better to look at national poll numbers insted. Here we find Ron Paul at 4% and Fred Thompson at 12%. Good reason to exclude Ron Paul, but not Fred Thompson.

Polls taken from realclearpolitics.

"Ron Paul's blame America f... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"Ron Paul's blame America first isolationist foreign policy views are definitely something ..." -- Kim Priestap

1. Ron Paul's foreign policy entails blaming the Bush Administration first.

2. The Bush Administration is not America.

"The Bush adminstration is ... (Below threshold)
914:

"The Bush adminstration is not America"

Granted...neither is the Paul campaign.

I dont watch any news inclu... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

I dont watch any news including FOX NEWS

"How is he unable to pro... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"How is he unable to produce the votes when there has been no vote taken? LOL"

Read it again. She didn't say there was a vote, she was going by poll numbers.

"Fundraising doesn't mean squat if you can't make it produce the numbers (read votes) to make it count when it has to. Going by poll numbers, it looks to me that he's unable to produce the votes."

ckls - "Please show whe... (Below threshold)
marc:

ckls - "Please show where Mitt and Rudy have declared their 4th quarter contributions. You are making things up."

Not really, just using the standard for "yearly quarters," which normally ends 1 Oct which if you will look are the stats I linked to. However it appears the campaigns, or rather, the FEC, is using measurement based on the fourth quarter ending 31 Jan.

That's hardly "making things up," but if it makes you feel so superior to think that feel free. The year ending stats should be released in the next couple weeks, don't be too scared to admit your full of piss and vinegar when Paul once again fails to raise the most cash.

More delusions from ckls - "Paul does in fact have more contributions from active duty and retired military than any other candidate. Please know your facts before spewing untruths."

You're not making things up, you're avoiding and twisting reality. Show me!

I already posted a link that states he raised the most cash from military "WORKERS" not military "members." There is a BIG difference, in fact it more than doubles the number of people he can count if he and his sycophants choose to do so and that is exactly what happened.

He's a liar. And so are you for trying to peddle that tripe.

And BTW... "There is <a... (Below threshold)
marc:

And BTW... "There is NO NH DEBATE on January 6th. Ron Paul was NOT EXCLUDED. That event was canceled three weeks ago."

Read the link asshats, then ask yourself why "your" candidate is so misinformed and worse TOO LAZY to call the NH GOP before issuing statement condemning an action that never took place.

Will all you PaulBots climb down off your high horses and go back to rearranging colors in your Crayola boxes now?




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