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Ron Paul Has Not Been Excluded from Fox News Debate

Yesterday, I posted about an email I received from a Ron Paul supporter saying that Fox News excluded Paul from its pre New Hampshire primary debate. I also linked to a Yahoo report that said the same thing. Amazing the difference a day makes. Today we learn that the story is untrue.

One of the hazards of instant mass communication is that incorrect stories can get distributed immediately. A particular hazard during holiday vacations.

There is NO NH DEBATE on January 6th. Ron Paul was NOT EXCLUDED. That event was canceled three weeks ago.

Ron WILL participate in the January 5th ABC/WMUR GOP debate in New Hampshire.

As LGF notes, however, this little tidbit of information isn't enough to stop the Paulbots from trying to punish Fox News anyway.


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OMG! They canceled the deb... (Below threshold)
Skip:

OMG! They canceled the debate just to silence him!

I remember when Tom Gorman ... (Below threshold)

I remember when Tom Gorman ran for US Senate from Virginia, he described himself as "a 'lower-case l' libertarian." Queried about why he was so specific, he noted, "I don't want to be associated with the nutty beliefs of the 'capital L' Libertarians!"

Most of them are well-meaning people with a little - but not enough - knowledge about economics, the Constitution, and the actual "Libertarian" belief set. Unfortunately, the movement has always attracted a certain share of the anti-semitics, racists, conspiracy theorists, and anarchists. Paul is adding more of those latter categories.

Personally, the presence of such extremist nuts - without repudiation - is enough to ensure I would NEVER vote for Paul for dogcatcher or anything else.

It's these weirdos who spread the viral rumors and stuff the online polls. Then, they get mad when serious people dismiss them as flakes.

Kim... wonder if the three ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Kim... wonder if the three PaulBots that infested your other thread with their misinformation and outright lies will be around to apologize?

And yes, that is a rhetorical question.

Oh and BTW ya gotta love th... (Below threshold)
marc:

Oh and BTW ya gotta love the mental capacity of the nutjob who thinks he/she/IT can take the Fox News website off line by downloading it repeatedly!


PaulBots please.... PLEASE go back to rearranging the colors in your 64 color box of Crayolas.

Libertarian ideals, of cour... (Below threshold)

Libertarian ideals, of course, would be that FOX is a private entity that can invite or not invite anyone they pleased.

That would be libertarian.

You realize your original m... (Below threshold)
lance:

You realize your original message was right: There may not be a debate but there is a roundtable discussion that Paul is excluded from being televised by Fox on January 6.

The original news is still true.

lance - Reading comprehensi... (Below threshold)
marc:

lance - Reading comprehension is NOT your strong suit:

"Skip ahead to December 27th, when the Union Leader reported that all candidates had agreed to the ABC/WMUR debate and reporter Garry Rayno added a confusing paragraph about Giuliani finally agreeing to the (canceled) January 6th forum, which had already been converted into a simple state GOP brunch.

Due to the timing of this article, there was no way to confirm who will or won't attend the brunch, but it is not a broadcast debate and has nothing to do with FoxNews. Nevertheless, a blog in Washington picked up the story, scrambled it and their "BHDC Staff" reported a list of the candidates who would be attending, which did not include Ron Paul (he hadn't officially confirmed, due to the conflict).

Care to try again? This time with links proving your allegation.

FOX News needs to be "punis... (Below threshold)

FOX News needs to be "punished" anyway for other reasons.

Timur - "FOX News needs... (Below threshold)
marc:

Timur - "FOX News needs to be "punished" anyway for other reasons."

Care to elaborate? Or are you just here to blather the normal "Faux News" line of rhetoric and then slither away into the night?

Most Paul supporters also b... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Most Paul supporters also believe the US should go back to the Gold Standard... Thus revealing how severe their schizophrenia and/or ignorance is.

Most Paul supporte... (Below threshold)
marc:
Most Paul supporters also believe the US should go back to the Gold Standard... Thus revealing how severe their schizophrenia and/or ignorance is.
True enough, it just shows how ignorant both Paul and his supports are.

The U.S. Gov doesn't control enough gold for it to offer support for the dollar, the idea is nothing but a pipe dream.

I just trolled through the ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

I just trolled through the Ron Paul forums.

What a nasty bunch. They are planning a collective attempt to shut Fox news web site down, a collective attempt to manipulate New Corp. stock price and stuff on line polls to give the illusion Ron Paul is bigger than he really is.

They are getting the information that the whole story from the beginning is bogus, but their reaction is "so what", we still hate Fox News so let's cause trouble anyway.

This reminds me of the stories about the Howard Dean supporters who would show up at people's homes dressed like they were on their way to a bong-a-thon, then started to get angry at mid-western housewives and little old ladies who didn't nod in agreement, then scaring the crap out of them.

Here's a clue for you militant Ron Paul supporters. Even open minded people will not look at your candidate if you are going to be assholes.

In fact I hope their little devious plans backfire.

No comment from Ron Paul to his supporters to tone it down. I'm sure he has to know what's going on in these forums and what their plans are. Silence is the proverbial "wink-wink".

Look for this soon.....

HEADLINE:
Ron Paul Supporters Hack Fox News Web Site

Ron Paul knew days in advance that shenanigans were planned on his behalf in the multiple forums that support his candidacy. Blah...blah...blah....

JumpinJoe - "This remin... (Below threshold)
marc:

JumpinJoe - "This reminds me of the stories about the Howard Dean supporters who would show up at people's homes dressed like they were on their way to a bong-a-thon, then started to get angry at mid-western housewives and little old ladies who didn't nod in agreement, then scaring the crap out of them."

PaulBot delusions aside, the same is going to happen again. The Deaniacs were all talk and zero action when it came time to actually pull a lever the meant something.

They can squawk and crow about raising cash all they care to, in the end it will be a meaningless exercise and someone (or everyone) within the Paul organization will come out with more cash than they went in with after a bit of skimming is done.

PaulBot delusions ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
PaulBot delusions aside, the same is going to happen again. The Deaniacs were all talk and zero action when it came time to actually pull a lever the meant something

Most of Paul's constituency are "9-11 Troofers" ever since he said he would like to open another investigation to a Troofer Convention.

These loons are real zealots in support of their cause, so no doubt most of his money comes from the same people over and over, but it will not translate into a viable candidacy because as I recall, everyone gets only one vote each.

His attracting big time BDS sufferers is still a bit of an enigma since his platform is very, very right wing and is no way socially lefty.

Maybe like a battered woman whose man brings home a nice pay check they'll stick around in hopes of changing him over time.

Ron Paul supporters will stick around too for a beating as long as he brings home the 9-11 investigation.


Fox News has shown itself t... (Below threshold)

Fox News has shown itself to be non-objective in its reporting style. They tend to be pro-war and have a pro-neoconservative agenda. I used to watch FOX News until the war and then I couldn't stomach it.

Apparently, they have not included Ron Paul in the upcoming debate as of yet:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html

Assuming that the above is true, no one denies the fact that they have every right to invite whomever they want to their roundtable, but it does leade me to question their "fair and balanced" motto even further.

Here are two articles explaining why the gold standard would make sense:

http://www.mises.org/money.asp

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/genuine.asp

I find it funny to hear the statement: "what a nasty bunch Ron Paul supporters are" when whenever I have made some comments or had some disagreements on some other forums, I was called names, told to get an education, said I was responsible for the Nazis killing the Jews (I didn't make this up believe me), told I was rude, etc. Ron Paul supporters are called schizophrenic, Paultards, kooks, Nazis, etc.

Based on this, I would say that people who are against Ron Paul are much nastier than the people are for Ron Paul, but I don't want to make generalizations. Why not just discuss the issues and avoid the name calling?

Timur - "Apparently, th... (Below threshold)
marc:

Timur - "Apparently, they have not included Ron Paul in the upcoming debate as of yet:"

Did you knee-jerk your way into this corner. Or did you do it intentionally to make a fool of yourself.

Read the link provided fool, it plainly stats the debate in question was canceled 3 weeks ago. The replacement for it isn't a debate AND not to be televised by any network (mush less Fox) AND Paul hasn't given any indication he would attend based on plans not being finalized.

Here's your Gold Standard.

Now do the math, multiply the amount of gold ever mined by the current (inflated) price of gold and compare that to the U.S. budget.

You can't cover the cost asshat.

There's a reason why EVERY COUNTRY on earth quit using the gold standard. Maybe someday you and the PaulBots will understand that. I have my doubts.

Your post seems to prove my... (Below threshold)

Your post seems to prove my point that "Ron Paul haters" are the rude bunch. It's fine to have a different opinion, but why do you need to call me asshat and refer to Ron Paul supporters as PaulBots. This is usually an indication you have no real argument to provide.

I am not sure what you are trying to prove, but all you have done is shown me that you are full of anger, so why should I spend any time discussing anything with you?

And no, I will not continue a discussion with someone who insults me for no reason.

Timur - "I am not sure ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Timur - "I am not sure what you are trying to prove, but all you have done is shown me that you are full of anger, so why should I spend any time discussing anything with you?"

And no, I will not continue a discussion with someone who insults me for no reason.

Ohhh... your not sure what I'm "trying" to prove? That's because after claiming once again Paul was excluded and you are definitively proven to be wrong you decide to avert the discussion to some perceived slight on your character.

And THEN... you want to take your toys and go home. Goodby see ya. Don't let the lack of a Ron Paul election day "Tsunami" send you into deep depression.

Apology coming in 4..3..2..... (Below threshold)
914:

Apology coming in 4..3..2..1..___________??

NH_GOP where are You?

I think NH_GOP is out playi... (Below threshold)
marc:

I think NH_GOP is out playing on the monkey bars with the remainder of the children 914.

Timur, you don't even know ... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Timur, you don't even know what "a pro-neoconservative agenda" is, so it is more than a little comical to see you use a term you don't know. And that suggests you, like so many, use it as a codeword.

<a href="http://www.swamppo... (Below threshold)
Alexia:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html

There is indeed an event, and Ron Paul was not invited.

Even the liberal blogs are posting retractions.

Alexia - "Even the libe... (Below threshold)
marc:

Alexia - "Even the liberal blogs are posting retractions."

Do you really think it matters to the likes of the PaulBots that infested this thread and the other Paul post?

You hand reality/truth to them on a silver plater and they ignore it and keep on over-exercising their modem.

"Your post seems to prov... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Your post seems to prove my point that "Ron Paul haters" are the rude bunch."

Nobody hates Ron Paul. He just shouldn't be running the country.

You guys, the Nolan Chart a... (Below threshold)
asdf:

You guys, the Nolan Chart article has been retracted. The information is wrong. FOX has indeed EXCLUDED Ron Paul. They included Fred Thompson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCAYRWIcPKQ
-Fox Affiliate KPTM from Sunday Dec 31st

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html
-Baltimore Sun article from Sunday Dec 30th

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_po/on_the2008_trail_7
-AP Article from Thu Dec 27th


You can get a contact list of people at Fox from http://chrisbrunner.com

"You can get a contact ... (Below threshold)
marc:

"You can get a contact list of people at Fox from"

Thanks, I was wondering who to contact to pass along my congrats to Fox for a correct and long over due decision!

Timur,There is som... (Below threshold)
tty:

Timur,

There is something really sad about marc. That is why he throws his own special brand of hatred against you. I wouldn't look to him for a civil discussion. Spewing illogical hatred, at all who point out his faulty reasoning is the best he can do. "Asshat" is usually the extent of his vocabulary.

I've spooked around here for a while, there are some who will have a reasonable discussion with you. Some who are capable of having an honest debate on an issue like the relevency of the gold standard. I'd look for them and leave marc alone. He can hurl insults all day. Real arguments are different matter entirely.


You're wrong as usual.... (Below threshold)
NH_GOP:

You're wrong as usual.

Please read the NH GOP press release at Daily Paul, and the RP NH schedule at www.nhlibertycalendar.org/promotional.php and the Press Release updates at the official RP website...

Ok, just so we are... (Below threshold)
Ken:


Ok, just so we are clear then. As of this writing, according to Ron Paul's campaign, he has IN FACT been excluded from the Fox News Candidate Forum in NH.

Why do the Paul haters make such a big deal over this. Geez, it only shows their pettiness.

Ken
www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

Okay... so I didn't see Ron... (Below threshold)
s a ferguson:

Okay... so I didn't see Ron Paul on the debates... what happened?

Well... I didn't see Ron Pa... (Below threshold)
s a ferguson:

Well... I didn't see Ron Paul at the New Hampshire debates... what do you guys say about that?




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