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McCain's new life

My long lamented friend Jesse Burke, a man who lived in excruciating pain from the most severe and crippling form of rheumatoid arthritis, inspired many people to overcome their challenges. His motto was, "A winner never quits - and a quitter never wins!" He never met John McCain, that I know of, but they share kindred spirits.

I, with many others, wrote off the McCain campaign earlier last year after they had squandered their early money for little result, and the candidate moved in to "restructure" the effort. Normally in politics that is an early sign of a quick exit from a race. McCain vowed to fight on, and most of us in the chattering classes yawned and turned our attention elsewhere.

Award points for perseverance: McCain slogged on with his streamlined campaign. His return to viability consisted of equal parts of his own recovery and of the gradual diffusion of support for his rivals. The Republican nomination race is once again a wide-open contest, and guess who is in the thick of it?

As most conservatives do, I have grave reservations on McCain's past positions on Campaign Finance Reform, the "Gang of 14," and the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill. I have on more than one occasion vowed I would stay home rather than vote for him for President, but I must admit that if the choice presented is McCain or Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama/John Edwards, I could not, in good conscience, not vote for him.

For conservatives, holding one's nose with one hand as the other pulls a lever is nothing new. We've been doing it for decades, with the sole reprieve of Ronald Reagan (who violated enough conservative principles himself to earn our ire).

If it's McCain, or Hillary, what say you? If not voting is your choice, do you not at least admit you would endanger the country thereby?


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If it's McCain, or Hilla... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

If it's McCain, or Hillary, what say you? If not voting is your choice, do you not at least admit you would endanger the country thereby?
No. Or at least no more than voting.

Campaign finance reform was a direct attack on the Constitution and should have never even been comtemplated.
Sure, he claims he's against amnesty now, but wait until he's safely in office and has a nice, Democratic Congress to do the dirty work.

If someone is going to screw up the country, I would rather it was a Dem than a Republican acting like a Dem.

If it's a choice between Mc... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

If it's a choice between McCain and Hillary, it's easy.

While I'm leery of McCain being the best choice, Shrillary downright scares me with what she would do to the nation.

I would vote for ANY Republ... (Below threshold)
COgirl:

I would vote for ANY Republican (save maybe Ron Paul) over ANY Democrat. And I would vote nonetheless. Bill Clinton NEVER got a majority of the votes and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit out an election just to let his wife become president. I think I've just about ODed on Clintons.

McCain/Fiengold, Gand of 14... (Below threshold)

McCain/Fiengold, Gand of 14, against tax cuts, immigration.

vs

Hillary.

If I made it to the voting booth, holding my nose might not be enough. I think I would have to bring a barf bag.

If someone is going to s... (Below threshold)
Proof:

If someone is going to screw up the country, I would rather it was a Dem than a Republican acting like a Dem.
I think the difference would be in Supreme Court nominees. Dem screw ups get lifetime appointments. Between Hillary and McCain? Advantage: McCain.

Good point Proof, I'll have... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Good point Proof, I'll have to think about that.

McCain vs. Hillary? At lea... (Below threshold)
Skip:

McCain vs. Hillary? At least if Hillary won there would be a chance for someone palatable in 4 years. If McCain won we'd be looking at a minimum of 8 years of damage, unless he didn't run for reelection.

RE: "If it's McCain, or Hil... (Below threshold)
kevino:

RE: "If it's McCain, or Hillary, what say you"

I'm not a conservative; I'm a libertarian, but my answer is: NONE OF THE ABOVE.


RE: "If not voting is your choice, do you not at least admit you would endanger the country thereby?"

The die is cast: there is little difference between the two. In fact, Senator McCain may e more dangerous because he may be more effective in pushing through his domestic agenda. McCain-Feingold, immigration reform, and various statements made by McCain would indicate that the man simply doesn't understand the Constitution. Senator Clinton has big plans for the country, but I have confidence that she will overreach and attempt to bully powerful people, rendering her ineffective.

Posted by Veeshir | January... (Below threshold)
iurockhead:

Posted by Veeshir | January 6, 2008 7:45 AM
and
Posted by Skip | January 6, 2008 10:17 AM

I disagree. Hillary would not be uncomfortable chemotherapy with a good outcome 4 years later. She would be poison. The damage she could do would be severe, and should be avoided at all costs.

McCain is a weasel when it comes to his "maverick" actions (taxes, immigration, global warming, 1st amendment, etc.), but as shown with his backing down on the immigration issue, he is not oblivious to public opinion and pressure. And on many core issues, he has the right (correct, that is) views and is willing to stand by them.

I'd have to hold my nose pretty tightly, but I'll vote for McCain over any dhimmicrat any day.

"RE: "If it's McCain, or Hi... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

"RE: "If it's McCain, or Hillary, what say you"

My answer is: NONE OF THE ABOVE."

I agree completely, I would vote for a third party. I will never, ever vote for McCain, even if he was running against Edwards. He is a straight talker, but it is an authoritarian talking. He doesn't give a damn what we want or think. His straight talk is his form of tough love to his "supporters". He will f**k us, so I say f**k him.

For one, McCain is a media ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

For one, McCain is a media puppet. He usually comes down on the PC side of the latest media outrage.

He another he has no respect for our fundamental freedoms.

The most dangerous thing is that when McCain does something for the Left or against the Constitution he won't be opposed. Hillary will be.

I'm tired of us going slowly and quietly to the Left. Hillary will still drag us there, but noisily and with protest. The public needs to be made aware of the Leftward shift in this country and that its not necessarily a good thing. But right now, we're boiling the frog slowly. I don't need that to continue under McCain.

Anybody that teams up with ... (Below threshold)
914:

Anybody that teams up with Wuss Minegold to violate or free speech is an incredibly wreckless individual.

No way.

"I think the difference would be Supreme court nominees. Dem screw ups get lifetime appointments.Between Hillary and McCain? Advantage: McCain."

McCain Feingold was done without a Supreme court nominee? Thats proof that He would nominate non activist judges??

I would either sit out the ... (Below threshold)
steve miller:

I would either sit out the election or I would write in a name taken at random from the phone book.

I will *never* vote for McCain. Ever. I don't care if it were a team of Hillary and Edwards - I will not *ever* pull the lever for that odious toad, McCain.

I have on more than one ... (Below threshold)

I have on more than one occasion vowed I would stay home rather than vote for him for President, but I must admit that if the choice presented is McCain or Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama/John Edwards, I could not, in good conscience, not vote for him.

It's amazing how easy it is to vow not to do something that you think you'll never have the option of doing. But now that McCain has a chance at the nomination you're actually having to consider the alternatives if he gets it. It probably would have made more sense to do that in the first place before making any vows.

On the other hand, these vows you made could have just been a calculated attempt on your part to sway primary voters by making them think that McCain was so disliked by the Republican get the nod anyway, you need to reverse the original impression, lest a Democrat get elected when people actually do stay home in the general election rather than vote for McCain.

Now that you've changed your mind, how would you catagorize your previous statements: ill-considered bluster or calculated disinformation?

Gee Trotsky v Lennon and yo... (Below threshold)
David:

Gee Trotsky v Lennon and you want me to choose your favorite bag of dirt. Not happening.

> If it's McCain, or Hil... (Below threshold)
Arthur:

> If it's McCain, or Hillary, what say you

I'd have no problems voting for 4 of the 5 major Rep candidates against any of the surviving Dems. However, I'd vote for either Hillary, Obama or Edwards if they were running against Huckabee. All 4 would be bad presidents - verging on disasterously bad. That being the case, I don't want to Republicans to be blamed for it so I won't vote for Huck.

One term of H O or E should be good for another 2 or 3 terms of Republican presidents - the same way one term of Carter led to Reagan/Bush for 3 terms. One term of Huckabee could lead to a long duration of Republican weakness - and there's a war on. We can't afford that.




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