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"...And They'll Be Happy Little Beaners"

One of the arguments I've heard repeatedly against illegal aliens is that they are an economic burden, that they consume far more in services and resources than they contribute. The proponents often cite the financial state of many hospitals along the southern border, where many have had to shut down their emergency rooms due to unpaid bills often attributed to illegal aliens. Schools have also cried poverty, citing the expenses involved in educating the children of illegal aliens.

Well, that cry has been taken up by a fresh group, as Kim noted yesterday -- some Mexican government officials.

It seems that the elected officials in the Mexican state of Sonora have spent years and years depending on its citizens going to the United States illegally and sending money home, mainly in neighboring Arizona. Now that Arizona has started cracking down on those who employ illegal aliens, the Mexicans are giving up and coming home -- and their home state doesn't want them.

I tell ya, sometimes these things just write themselves. Imagine if an American were to say things like this:

"Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems" it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs, she said.

The "she" is Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano Gamez, who came to the United States to voice her complaint.

I note that the story doesn't bother to ask if the lawmakers came across the border legally. It would be a very valid question -- did they jump the border, as so many of their constituents have done for decades, or did they get visas, putting the lie to the argument that it's too darned hard to come to the United States?

For far too long, Mexico has treated the United States as a dumping ground for its underclass. Can't make it in Mexico? Don't complain to the government, just get the hell out. They have discovered an economic miracle -- they've changed their poorest citizens from a net liability to a net asset. They simply encourage them to go to the US, work under the table, and send money home to their families. The US ends up picking up most of the costs for supporting the illegal workers (financial, social, and moral), and the Mexican government gets the income from them sending their earnings home to their family.

It's been a great safety valve, keeping the masses from growing too discontent as to demand real government reform. Don't elect reformers, don't call for government action, don't overthrow the government -- just hop across the border, find a job, and send money home.

And so many employers in the US are willing to turn a blind eye to the illegality and immorality of the situation and take advantage of workers who are willing to work cheap and have already proven that they're not inclined to turn to government officials for help.

I think I have a solution that might please the Sonoran officials. They don't want their people to come home, they want them to stay working in the US and sending money home. And we don't want them to keep working illegally.

So here's my modest proposal: we ask the Sonoran officials to provide us with names and locations of their citizens working here illegally. In exchange, we promise that we will not deport them , but rather make certain they stay here and work and keep sending money home. Once the Sonorans have been identified, we will find them new jobs and relocate them. The employers will be responsible for housing them as well.

To distinguish these Mexicans from other illegal aliens, they will be provided with special identification cards that indicate that they are Sonoran Legal Alien Volunteer Expatriates. They will remain at their employers, with the employer making sure the lion's share of their earnings are sent home.

To make sure that they do not become a burden on the US, they will not be allowed to work for just anyone. Only specially qualified businesses, registered and regulated by the Maximizing Assistance to the Sonoran State Administration, will be authorized to employ these Sonoran workers. Should they wish to leave one employer, they can only apply to another certified employer -- and will not be allowed to quit until they have a new job line up.

I think this could really work. As long as these SLAVEs are working for a MASSA, everyone can be happy and content. The SLAVEs are assured regular work and regular pay. The MASSAs are assured a steady supply of reliable workers. The US government gets a bunch of illegal aliens into a legal status, paying taxes. Everybody wins.

The only problem would be if some Mexican troublemaker starts riling up the workers into demanding better treatment and some unnecessary independence. This "Juan Marron" could be a real troublemaker. We'd best watch carefully for his kind.


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It amuses me that the State... (Below threshold)
BPG:

It amuses me that the State Department did not revoke her nonimmigrant visa. We should start having ICE-DRO reroute the repatriation flights from Mexico City to Sonora State.

Sounds like...a modest p... (Below threshold)
Proof:

Sounds like...a modest proposal!

"Mexico is not prepared ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

"Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems" it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs, she said.

I have a thought, Ms. Gamez.

Drop dead.

Think of this in terms of cocaine use. Why is it everyone else's problem when someone decides to abuse cocaine? Why do we all have to pay for their own poor choices?

Not me. I choose not to pay for this one. I choose not to have to pay Mexicans welfare.

It seems as if the E-verify... (Below threshold)
Imhotep:

It seems as if the E-verify US gov't program is working. Illegal aliens leaving in droves is the idea right? We are saving money by not deporting them, they're deporting themselves!

Nothing will change until U... (Below threshold)
Ray:

Nothing will change until US politicians find "a pair" and tell Mexico, that we are not going to accept tens of millions of Mexico's peasants.

Related, it also concerns whether or not Americans want to continue as a sovereign nation or do we want to become a loose, "region", where everyone in the world, mainly Latin America comes to "work hard", assume fake or stolen identities, evade paying income tax, drive without a license, registration or insurance, march in rallies waving foreign flags, resist learning English, yadda, yadda, yadda.

We still have not had the debate on this "national question" because the MSM and first-team politicans in DC, are afraid to bring it up and debate it honestly. So, we get meaningless pablum on the topic - "we're all immigrants" or "we're a nation of immigrants" (both of which are factually incorrect) or they "work hard" or "they want to put food on the table for their families", etc.

All avoiding the National Question.

Given that most of the Mexi... (Below threshold)
William Garland:

Given that most of the Mexican population wants to be part of the US maybe we should give serious consideration to what seemed a far fetched proposal only a short time ago: annexing Mexico. We would incur significant costs bringing its standards up to ours, and large capital expenses for a generation, but this would be offset by our more efficient uses of Mexico's wealth of natural resources.

LOL, great posting. <... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

LOL, great posting.

Yes, the humor highlights one of the bigger problems, if it is "ok" for an employer to use an illegal, the employer may think it is "ok" to do other small illegal things... like not pay them legal wages, or on time, or at all if they don't feel like it.

Businesses are much more se... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Businesses are much more secure in the silence of illegal immigrants. Not only does it keep them quiet about wage-related violations like underpayment and no tax/social security payments, but other violations as well. I'm sure they would tend to be more quiet about workplace safety violations, improper waste disposal, and violations in general.

This is one of the reason I'd expect a guess worker program to shrink the illegal alien worker market very little. Those guest worker jobs would likely go to employ immigrants in the front office at low wages where they can't be used today. Otherwise, illegal labor done by illegal aliens is still way more appealing.

Ray:We still ha... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Ray:

We still have not had the debate on this "national question" because the MSM and first-team politicans in DC, are afraid to bring it up and debate it honestly.

Ok, let's debate this honestly then. Tell me what you mean when you say "the national question."

So, we get meaningless pablum on the topic - "we're all immigrants" or "we're a nation of immigrants" (both of which are factually incorrect) or they "work hard" or "they want to put food on the table for their families", etc.

Interesting. How is is that you think we are not a nation-state that was formed by immigrants? The only people who have a claim to this land before 1492 are Native Americans. Otherwise, the rest of our families migrated here in one way or another.

People are coming to the USA now for many of the same reasons that people came to the Americas in the past. Mostly economic reasons.

And how is it meaningless pablum, as you say, to talk about people who come here to work and find a way to survive?

Which part of ILLEGAL do yo... (Below threshold)
Alexandra:

Which part of ILLEGAL do you not understand Ryan a?

Jay:I note that... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jay:

I note that the story doesn't bother to ask if the lawmakers came across the border legally. It would be a very valid question -- did they jump the border, as so many of their constituents have done for decades, or did they get visas, putting the lie to the argument that it's too darned hard to come to the United States?

No Jay, that's really not a very valid question. It's quite a lot easier for these lawmakers to come to the US than it is for poor people from the lower classes.

For far too long, Mexico has treated the United States as a dumping ground for its underclass. Can't make it in Mexico? Don't complain to the government, just get the hell out. They have discovered an economic miracle -- they've changed their poorest citizens from a net liability to a net asset.

There are plenty of problems with the Mexican political system, most people know that. But it's not as if Mexico is simply pushing their citizens here--it's just not that simple. Migration into the USA has all kinds of roots, many of them related to the economic crashes that Mexico and other Latin American countries have experienced since the 1980s. That was when migration really skyrocketed.

This was due to internal conflict in some countries (like Guatemala), and economic disasters in others (Mexico). People have been migrating here in search of work to support their families.

Don't pretend that Mexicans and other Latin Americans are the only ones who cross national borders to make a living. This is the stock and trade of our global economy...and very few international corporations invest much money in the places where they set up shop. Juarez, Mexico is a good example of this. Quite a bit of money is made at many of those American owned maquiladores, and people are paid a pittance.

Americans and other international businessmen are able to do this because they have the ability to go to almost any nation on earth. There is a power differential going on here.

A farmer from southern Mexico does not have the same ability to cross borders and boundaries that "first world" business people do (whether in the US, Japan, China, UK, France, etc). They have fewer economic choices, but they do have some. Migrating a few thousand miles to the USA is one, and it's something that people risk in order to survive.

Ryan, my time is limited bu... (Below threshold)
Ray:

Ryan, my time is limited but.........

1) Immigrants move to countries that are already established. The original Pilgrims of 1602 (or there about) came to a mostly open, unpopulated continent and created something out of (virually) nothing.

2) Every nation in the world is a "nation of immigrants" since people don't grow out of the soil. American Indians were immigrants too, as it's now fairly well known that Indians moved into this continent down from the Siberian land-bridge, down through Canada, the US and Mexico (Central America). Or to put it another way, everone alive today is either an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants but this has next to nothing to do with whether or not nations decide to increase or decrease their incoming immigration levels.

3. Today's immigration is less about normal immigration and more about a financial deal between Mexico's elites and our elites. Aslo, it's about firm's desire to lower the salary expense through creating an excess of labor. Case in point, the H-1B high tech visa scam, really is a subsidy for India.

4. If we're a consensual, self-governing people, then the will of the people needs greater respect since the majority of Americans want this corrupt illegal immigration system stopped and a small majority even want legal immigration reduced.

The "National Question" is who gets to determine the future of the nation? The elites? MSM? Restaurants and hotels? Oprah?

Or the majority of the public?

Is English going to be our national language? Are we to recognize Islam and Sharia law? Should public schools celebrate Islamic holidays (of which they have one every other week, seemingly!)?

All these things are wrapped up in what is popularly known as the National Question.

Alexandra,Which... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Alexandra,

Which part of ILLEGAL do you not understand Ryan a?

I understand that it's illegal. But how does that solve anything? How does proclaiming illegality do anything? Do you have a point? Do you have some ideas about how to deal with this? Or do you just sit around proclaiming the obvious?

People come here because they take calculated risks. They come here because they don't have the greatest economic choices. So they travel--sometimes incredibly long distances--to come here and work to make a living. We have to find a way to separate THESE people from other who cross here for more illicit purposes.

Ray:Thanks for tak... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Ray:

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

1) Immigrants move to countries that are already established. The original Pilgrims of 1602 (or there about) came to a mostly open, unpopulated continent and created something out of (virually) nothing.

That's not true. While North America wasn't exactly jam-packed, there were plenty of people here when those 1602 Pilgrims arrived. The land was being used in different ways than the Europeans were used to, and it was most definitely occupied.

If you read a little more about the archaeology of North America, you will realize that this continent was not some blank slate that Europeans built from scratch. To say that there was "virtually nothing" here is to ignore what we know archaeologically and historically.

2) Every nation in the world is a "nation of immigrants" since people don't grow out of the soil. American Indians were immigrants too, as it's now fairly well known that Indians moved into this continent down from the Siberian land-bridge, down through Canada, the US and Mexico (Central America). 2) Every nation in the world is a "nation of immigrants" since people don't grow out of the soil. American Indians were immigrants too, as it's now fairly well known that Indians moved into this continent down from the Siberian land-bridge, down through Canada, the US and Mexico (Central America). Or to put it another way, everone alive today is either an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants but this has next to nothing to do with whether or not nations decide to increase or decrease their incoming immigration levels.

Yes, every nation is full of people who came from elsewhere. The Bering Straight theory is the best idea we have so far of how the New World was populated, but that debate is far from closed. There are arguments about other possibilities as well, including a coastal route, but there isn't much data for that as of yet. So yes, Native Americans are immigrants as well.

Or to put it another way, everone alive today is either an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants but this has next to nothing to do with whether or not nations decide to increase or decrease their incoming immigration levels.

Well, it has something to do with considering context and history. It's important, in my opinion, to consider how many of us came to be American citizens when discussing our ideas and problems with contemporary citizenship. History does matter in this. Many of us are here because our ancestors came here for many of the same reasons that the Latin American people are coming here now. This is pretty relevant IMO.

3. Today's immigration is less about normal immigration and more about a financial deal between Mexico's elites and our elites. Aslo, it's about firm's desire to lower the salary expense through creating an excess of labor. Case in point, the H-1B high tech visa scam, really is a subsidy for India.

I agree basically, but there is more to it than just being a "deal" between elites. People are migrating here because of numerous political and economic reasons and histories in their home countries. People don't just come here for the fun of it. You're right in pointing out that the political elites play a big role in this whole problem; I agree with you.

4. If we're a consensual, self-governing people, then the will of the people needs greater respect since the majority of Americans want this corrupt illegal immigration system stopped and a small majority even want legal immigration reduced.

I agree with you here as well...this broken system has to be addressed and changed. We can't have people coming in here in this way anymore. What I really want to avoid, however, is demonizing the immigrants themselves in the process. I think we need to remember that they are just people as well, and that they deserve to be treated humanely and respectfully.

Ryan - while I could argue ... (Below threshold)
Ray:

Ryan - while I could argue with you on my point number 1 I'm tired! LoL!

More relevantly, you seem to express an "uber-tolerance", a hate or guilt for yourself, your cultural tradition (Western) and your nation.

This is by definition, liberalism (small "L"). All nations like all people are flawed, have made mistakes, the USA included. But by comparision to other nations, the USA has been freer, more open, more tolerant of others than 99% of all other nations.

To say that all of our ancestors were immigrants so therefore we can NEVER reduce immigration is well, just silly, high school reasoning. My point about all nations being "nations of immigrants" was to illustrate that those nations still strictly reduce their own incoming immigration for various reasons. If the US stopped all illegal immigration, we would still lead the world in the amount of immigrants who come legally here, so those who claim immigration enforcers are anti-immigration don't have a leg to stand on. They're disingenuous.

Mexico is the number one receiver of visas for legal immigration and yet, they continue to push their people to come here illegally. Why?

Why? Because they are chronically corrupt and inefficient, as a country.

Lastly, I respect the will of the majority of Americans who want this scam stopped (or at least reduced to a mere nuisance instead of a national crime syndicate of illegal people and drugs).

The traditional pols, Bush, Clinton, McCain, Rudy, etc. are all, repeat ALL receiving money from businesses who want this scam of cheap labor to continue.

Something untraditional needs to happen to stop it.

The solution is already ava... (Below threshold)
Alexandra:

The solution is already available. I used that solution. My family applied for legal immigration to US which takes 6 years before we accepted. We don't accept welfare even though it would help us tremendously in the first few years. We worked hard and paid back $3500 cost of airplane tickets for 5 people. As soon as we can which is 5 years in US, we applied for legal status. I don't believe in breaking laws which is one of the many reasons why my family left Viet Nam. Why would you want to come into a country where your first act is to disobey the law?

Ray is right in the sense t... (Below threshold)
Bruce:

Ray is right in the sense that since we hardly enforce many immigration laws today, BILLIONS of people around the world now feel they have some God-given right to "migrate" to the USA.

This is not the original intent of the USA. We were built for the purposes of liberty (of the individual and of the country) - we were not founded on the principle that everyone in the world should move here. That's impractical.

Culture matters too. Cultural tradition, language, relgion, customs, etc. SOme immigrant's cultural practices conflict with Western/American customs. I believe many, many Americans quietly object to this.

RayRyan - while... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Ray

Ryan - while I could argue with you on my point number 1 I'm tired! LoL!

Well, after you drink some coffee or something feel free to pick that one up later. I'd be interested to see how you understand that subject.

More relevantly, you seem to express an "uber-tolerance", a hate or guilt for yourself, your cultural tradition (Western) and your nation.

Ha. Nice canned insult. Got any more? If you can, try sticking to what we're talking about.

To say that all of our ancestors were immigrants so therefore we can NEVER reduce immigration is well, just silly, high school reasoning.

I agree with that. That's not something I was pushing for, so you might want to read what I wrote if you think otherwise. I wrote that we need to consider where we come from in order to find a way to deal with the present situation.

If the US stopped all illegal immigration, we would still lead the world in the amount of immigrants who come legally here, so those who claim immigration enforcers are anti-immigration don't have a leg to stand on. They're disingenuous.

Yep, that's a good point. I think you're right in saying that far too many people oversimplifying this issue.

Mexico is the number one receiver of visas for legal immigration and yet, they continue to push their people to come here illegally. Why?

It's not necessarily that the govt pushes them here. Many of the people who come here illegally are the ones who live more marginalized lives. Not everyone has the same chance or ability to come here legally--let alone the time to wait out the process.

Why? Because they are chronically corrupt and inefficient, as a country.

Yes indeed, that's part of the problem, but there is more to it than that. How do you explain immigration from other Latin American countries?

Something untraditional needs to happen to stop it.

So what needs to be done?

ryan A - "The only peop... (Below threshold)
marc:

ryan A - "The only people who have a claim to this land before 1492 are Native Americans. Otherwise, the rest of our families migrated here in one way or another."

Where did the native Americans come from?

Guess you forgot about that group of people made the journey across the ice from Siberia to Alaska. These people eventually became what's known now as Native Americans. In some places they developed sophisticated civilizations, such as the Maya, Nazca and Inca.

So really, truth be told we're all decedents from Russians.

Then there's that whole Leif Erickson thing that hasn't been totally debunked as yet.

Alexandra,Why w... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Alexandra,

Why would you want to come into a country where your first act is to disobey the law?

Well, it seems like some people don't have time to wait six years. Or, maybe the risk of getting caught is far outweighed by the benefits of making money and sending it home. People balance costs and benefits all the time. Also, many of these migrants are NOT coming here to live permanently, but instead choose to come here for a certain time period in order to build a future back home.

The point is that your case is not illustrative of all immigration cases. Many people from Mexico DO come here legally, but many do not. The problem is in finding ways to resolve that while retaining a certain humanity.

Apparently Mexicans are ant... (Below threshold)

Apparently Mexicans are anti-Hispanic racists...

"I'm just waiting for my do... (Below threshold)
Ray:

"I'm just waiting for my documents" or "I just need to get my documents in order" is the textbook reply of every illegal from south of the border.

Not having the time to wait is frankly, not the problem of the United States. To say, "our immigration system is broken" is also nonsensical, non-speak. We have an a legal immigration system, it admits more people each year than all other countries in the world combined for each and every year. We can not admit everyone in the world. It would (and is I, submit) ruin the US and then where would illegal amigos "migrate to?

What Mexico wants is the abilty to send another 30-40 MILLION people into the US over the next 10-20 years. Mexican politicans have said so, openly, publicly.

Why? Because Mexico is chronically corrupt (and quite racist as well). The light-skinned beautiful people you see in Mexican soap operas are about 10% of the population, the descdendents of the Spanish Conquistadors. The remaining 90% of "Mexicans" are really North American Indians, who have little opportunity for anything in that country.

Again, thats not the problem of the USA or Americans. Mexico is a fairly rich country. They have no excuses for their dismal economic performance, decade after decade.

Enforce the law. Deport illegal aliens. Period. Even Mexico will learn by example.

Ryan - "It's not necessaril... (Below threshold)
Bruce:

Ryan - "It's not necessarily that the govt pushes them here."

Oh yeah Ryan? Remember the comic books the Mexican govt. put out about 2-3 years ago to "help alliviate the danger of crossing the desert".

It was (and currently is) a guide to sneaking into the USA and instructs Mexicans how to avoid the Border Patrol, how to get into the interior of the USA and find Mexican consulates.

All a welfare program for Mexico.

marc:Guess you ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

marc:

Guess you forgot about that group of people made the journey across the ice from Siberia to Alaska. These people eventually became what's known now as Native Americans. In some places they developed sophisticated civilizations, such as the Maya, Nazca and Inca.

No, I didn't forget about them. And yes, it's generally understood that the New World was populated around 13,000 years ago via the Bering Strait land bridge. There are competing theories, such as one about a possible coastal route, but the land bridge is the most accepted at present. But that doesn't mean that our ideas will not change with new data. The problem here is that many of the oldest sites are most likely either under water or long destroyed.

So really, truth be told we're all decedents from Russians.

Not exactly. Truth be told, the Native American people of today are more than likely descendants of a migration of people that occurred around 13,000 years ago. The rest of our population comes from waves of migrations that began after 1492.

Then there's that whole Leif Erickson thing that hasn't been totally debunked as yet.

What about Erikson? It's generally accepted that the Vikings landed in New Foundland around 1000 AD, but there in little evidence that they lasted very long.

To say, "our immigration... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

To say, "our immigration system is broken" is also nonsensical, non-speak.

Not really. We have laws and policies, but they are inconsistent and they are not followed uniformly by citizens, let alone those who uphold the law. This might qualify as being "broken."

Why? Because Mexico is chronically corrupt (and quite racist as well).

That's definitely true. Racism is rampant in Mexico, especially against the indigenous people.

The remaining 90% of "Mexicans" are really North American Indians, who have little opportunity for anything in that country.

Well, they're American Indians, yes. And they are severely marginalized in their own country. Got that right.

Again, thats not the problem of the USA or Americans.

Maybe this is where we disagree. Since we border Mexico, and people migrate here out of economic desperation and need, it seems that these issues within Mexico do become our problem, to a certain extent. Just wishing them away won't solve anything.

Enforce the law. Deport illegal aliens. Period. Even Mexico will learn by example.

That still does little to address the root of the problem. All is does is push it out of view. But I doubt that will stop people from coming here--especially if the social and political conditions continue where they come from.

It's already catching on. ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It's already catching on. Here's the ad campaign.




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