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Asswipe of the Day : The New York Giants Football Club

The New York Giants won three road games to get to the Super Bowl. They could never have done it without their kicker, Lawrence Tynes, whose overtime field goal punched the ticket for the NFC Championship.

So how does a championship team thank the man whose work made the difference? Gregg Doyle of CBS tells us:

"As the ball was tumbling through the uprights, silencing the Lambeau Field crowd and sending his teammates onto the field in a frenzy, Tynes turned and ran 75 yards through the opposite end zone, through the tunnel and into the locker room. He ran alone."

Well, maybe the team showed him after the game how much they appreciated his work? Mr. Doyle reports:

"I shadowed Tynes for most of an hour inside the Giants locker room, and Feagles was again the only teammate who said a word to him. Yes, there was a 10-minute period immediately after the game when the media was not allowed inside the locker room, and perhaps the entire organization used that time to kiss Tynes' feet -- but for the next hour, not a single teammate said a word to the guy who kicked the game-winning field goal in the NFC title game. That seems strange."

Strange indeed. Doyle reported that the game conditions were no treat for kickers:

"Kicking in this game couldn't have been easy. Both teams averaged less than 33 yards per punt. Kickoffs were stalling near the 15-yard line. The sub-zero temperature turned the ball slippery and hard -- so hard that it left bruises all over the top of Tynes' foot."

Look, I know no one gets googly over kickers, but a little appreciation for the man who did as much as anyone to make it happen seems appropriate. Shunning the game-winner is pretty classless, certainly lacks the sense of team that we hear so much about, and so while there may be a different 'Knucklehead of the Day', the New York Giants get my 'Asswipe of the Day' vote.



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If there were one Super Bow... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

If there were one Super Bowl that ended with the stadium being swallowed up before a winner was determined, I would want it to be this one. As winning as the Patriots have been of late, I have seen very little class, starting with the head coach. What happened to the kicker aside, I would still hate the Giants, just because I always have. When it comes down to it, I suppose I want the Giants to win, if only to thwart the Patriots' perfect season.

Some of your political post... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Some of your political posts are pretty good, some are not so great. But this piece of tripe should be taken down. try sticking with right wing politics. At least you have some knowledge about it.

About football. this game and the Giants in particular you know nothing. You choose to take from one writer, his opinion and make it into the facts. It's factually wrong on almost every count.

On second thought, this post is typical of right wing writing. Wrong on just about every count.

Please go back to politics.

I don't know. The man was ... (Below threshold)
Loveher:

I don't know. The man was given 3 opportunities to win the football game and only came through 1 time. Yes, he was the game winner - but only be default. I was telling the wife after the 2nd missed fieldgoal that he would be looking for a new job next year. He probably still will be looking for a new job. Professionals have to perform.

At the same time, NYG did their best to lose last night. They had 4 opportunities to win and messed it up. Two fumbles and two missed field goals - any of which would have won the game. Were the players that fumbled ignored? Probably not.

Tynes running off the field... (Below threshold)

Tynes running off the field alone was probably less a reflection of what the Giants players think of him -- remember, kickers are often alone at practice -- and more a reflection of coach Tom Coughlin and Tynes' anger at him.

Kicking in those conditions was extremely difficult, like kicking a brick. Tynes missed the 43-yarder near the end of the game, and Coughlin could be seen chewing him out as Tynes returned to the sideline.

I'm sorry, but that was inexcusable. Kickers often need their confidence bolstered after a critical miss, and here Coughlin was tearing down Tynes. I've never seen that at an NFL game.

Tynes' following kick coupled the bad weather with a a bad snap. The one after that was a much longer field goal, but Tynes made it. I can see why he might be thinking "Screw you, Coughlin" and want no part of a celebration with him on the field.

Eli Manning is a well-documented jerk, but Coughlin may actually be worse. He always was an asswipe with Jacksonville.

The guy missed two attempts... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The guy missed two attempts and literally left his team out in the cold. You complain that he was shunned in the locker room... if he missed the third attempt, he wouldn't have been allowed in the locker room!

By the way...

He ran alone.

Apparently by choice:

"I just wanted to get out of the cold," said Tynes, who raced off the field as the ball sailed though the uprights. "I think I was inside before it went through."
The kicker goes through abo... (Below threshold)
George:

The kicker goes through about 1 minute of impact-free game time while the rest of the team is out there half of the game crunching bones to set him up. You can bet the team is disappointed when he doesn't deliver.

You neglected to mention th... (Below threshold)
phaedruscj:

You neglected to mention the negative reaction of the Giants head coach to the first missed field goal. I have rarely seen a head coach so demonstrative in reaction to a missed field goal. That would be enough to tick me off if I were the kicker. As if no one else on the Giants made any mistakes yesterday. I can recall two fumbles by their star McQuarters and a droppped pass near the goal line by their star receiver at the end of the first half. Those guys got a pass due to pooor weather but not the kicker. Give me a break. I believe the first miss was a 47 yard attempt in terrible conditions and the coach acted as if he had missed an extra point. The timing of the second miss was off due to a high snap even the holder incredibly got the ball down in good shape. Even the placement may have looked good the fraction of a second was enough to create an umakeable attempt. Expectations of perfection for one member of the team not applicable to the rest of the team including coaches justifies the asshat award for the Giants.

Oh I believe this is the same kicker who was released by the Chiefs a few years ago after he missed 2 or 3 field goals in a home playoff game in poor conditions against Indianapolis.

I noticed the shunning as w... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

I noticed the shunning as well. It seems there is not enough class among Tynes teammates to fill a thimble.

Phaedruscj nails it. A high snap/slow placement is a disaster for the kicker. It may not be a killer in high school where kickers can afford to wait until the ball is in place before starting toward the ball, but in the pros (and college often) kickers have to be quicker to commit in order to avoid blocked kicks. I wonder if the special team snapper got shunned by the "teammates".

It is Tynes misfortune that his considerable talent should be wasted on a team of classless losers, winning record or not.

Coughlin (NYG Head Coach) s... (Below threshold)
Cadrys Author Profile Page:

Coughlin (NYG Head Coach) seems to despise all kickers, particularly ones who miss a clutch attempt. IIRC, when he coached the Jaguars, we went through three in one season. Hell, in three weeks.

*miss* *fire* *new guy misses in his first week* *fire* yet another new guy...

Tynes might as well get ready to audition. He'll be cut the first day the cap allows it.

As one who played in D1, th... (Below threshold)
Jess:

As one who played in D1, the verbage "shanking" the second FG attempt bothers me - video (all over the place...pick one) clearly shows the laces near or at the point of contact (the laces on the football should be placed towards the intended target for a kick attempt, BTW). It was a lousy snap & poor hold, so of course, blame the kicker. Ah well.

J

PS - wonder if the NFL will ever allow the "spyder" in games?

JFO, I played some ball in ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

JFO, I played some ball in my youth, and I was a referee for 7 years.

What part of that disqualifies me to notice a football team's behavior when it is odd and disrespectful? Especially to one of their own.

Brian/Loveher/George, how many games have you worked in sub-zero temps? I worked a few games here in Texas with temps in the 20s, and I can say from experience that the ball does not act the way it does in normal conditions. Add 25-mph wind gusts and stone-hard turf, and it's impressive that a kicker goes 3-for-5 in those conditions.

As Mikem and Phaedrusc noted, this disrespect did not extend to the snapper who sent the ball 4 feet high on the regulation-ending kick, or to the players who fumbled the ball. Coughlin did not yell at them when they got to the sidelines, and only a moron thinks it's a great idea to yell at your kicker in a clutch situation - for comparison, how often does a good manager scream at his closer for loading the bases?

In the end, the Giants sent a message to Tynes, that they don't care if he wins the game for them. Come Superbowl 42, that could prove to be a very stupid message for them to have sent. They would not have won without Tynes, yet somehow they don't seem to grasp that they need him. Or that he has earned better than they offer him in terms of respect and simple class.

I think that <a href="http:... (Below threshold)
JSchuler:

I think that this video is appropriate.

But I kick that ball
And I pray it goes straight
If it does
The coach says "Good job, number 8"
He doesn't even know my name is
Andre Kristacovitchlalinski, Jr.

Not sure what to make of th... (Below threshold)

Not sure what to make of this post - although my first reaction is 'everybody stay away from the kicker' which seems to be standard operating procedure in the NFL, especially when you have another game to play, like a guy coming to the dugout after the 7th still nursing a no-no. After thinking about it for a moment, though, I offer this - the reaction shots, shown several times, showed Eli Manning running onto the field towards the spot of the kick, he was clearly searching for someone, searching and not finding them. He eventually settled for hugging the punter/holder (who he wasn't looking for initially because he ran right by him even though he was standing by himself). My thought at the time is same as it is now, Eli ran full speed onto the field trying to find and celebrate with Tynes...but now we know that Tynes was already gone. Tynes was probably about as prickly as a porcupine after the day he had, almost throwing the game away twice, but three times Eli gave Tynes a chance to win it, and even after Tynes missed the second, a chipshot, Coughlin put him back on the field for a LONG try in terrible conditions...even after the first miss Eli had to go back on the field drive again and again into field gone range - and the first thing he seemed to do was surge onto the field to celebrate with Tynes. Is it any wonder that Tynes probably just asked to be left the hell alone? As for Coughlin (who I thought was nuts for chewing out a kicker he was probably going to need again), it seems a little hard to believe that you'd chew out a guy that missed a field goal when you know you might have to rely on him again later, but am I recalling correctly that Coughlin is of the Bill Parcells school of coaching that involves yelling at everyone all the time for everything (this isn't high school ball where feelings and learning are the watchwords, not even college, but professional sports where you are paid as a kicker to pretty much do one thing, but the ball between the uprights when asked)? Yeah, it looked bad, but some people think that's how you motivate - and he did send him back out there time and again, relying on him to win the game.

Which means more, actions or words? Maybe Coughlin did use harsh words for his kicker. But his actions were to send him out for a 47 yarder in horrible, frozen ball conditions instead of trying to pick up a first down with an offense that moved the ball pretty well. And Eli's (re)action was to rush onto the field to celebrate with the goat-turned-hero.

That's my 2 coppers.

What part of that disqua... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

What part of that disqualifies me to notice a football team's behavior when it is odd and disrespectful? Especially to one of their own.

What disqualifies you was the fact that you weren't there and JFO clearly states that in his response. You took someone's interpretation of the events who himself knew none of the actual facts.

And spare me the blanket characterization of the entire Giants organization because their kicker made 1 of 3 attempts to do something he is paid to do, and very well paid I might add.

Add 25-mph wind gusts and stone-hard turf, and it's impressive that a kicker goes 3-for-5 in those conditions.

Yes it is impressive, but that's his job. Someone who reaches that level in his profession is someone who can play under those conditions and still be expected to get the job done.

As Mikem and Phaedrusc noted, this disrespect did not extend to the snapper who sent the ball 4 feet high on the regulation-ending kick,

How do you know he didn't receive the same treatment? Because you didn't see it on TV?

or, to the players who fumbled the ball.

Come on, you're not serious are you? You don't think those players will hear it? I guarantee if they weren't yelled at on the sideline they will be when they go over the films for the game.

In the end, the Giants sent a message to Tynes, that they don't care if he wins the game for them. Come Superbowl 42, that could prove to be a very stupid message for them to have sent. They would not have won without Tynes, yet somehow they don't seem to grasp that they need him. Or that he has earned better than they offer him in terms of respect and simple class.

Give me a break, it's a team game DJ. You could say the same thing about not winning to every single person who played yesterday for the Giants. You're out of your league writing about this.

JR - "It's a team game".... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

JR - "It's a team game".

My point exactly, J.R. Why not treat Tynes like he's part of the team?

I'm not talking about when he's getting ready to kick, but when the game is over. I'm talking about what did not happen in the Giant locker room, although it happens in many others. I'm talking about a coach whose record is never respecting his kickers and the whole team buying into that and treating the game-winner like an outsider.

Classless, and you can't pretend otherwise.

I'm talking about what d... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

I'm talking about what did not happen in the Giant locker room, although it happens in many others.

But that's my point DJ, you don't know what happened in that locker room right after the game, but yet you throw out this blanket characterization of the entire team. It's just wrong to cast aspersions like that.

although it happens in many others.

Again, you have no way to back this up.

I'm talking about a coach whose record is never respecting his kickers

I'll give you that, but Couglin is just a dick in general (to everyone).

and the whole team buying into that and treating the game-winner like an outsider.

Again, you have no idea of that, none. You are making judgements from 3 hours of game viewing and maybe 15 minutes of postgame interviews and other soundbytes. Pretty weak evidence for a season that started in camp about 7 months ago.

J.R., do me a favor. Point... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

J.R., do me a favor. Point me to two or three Giants players in post-game interviews saying that Tynes did a clutch job?

I saw players praising Manning, praising Corey Webster, and praising Ahmad Bradshaw and Burress and Jacobs. But Tynes? They treated him like he didn't even suit up.

If I'm wrong, should be easy for you to prove it, hmm?

Talk about back pedaling DJ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Talk about back pedaling DJ. Why don't you just suck it up Mr Referee/player and admit you wrote a piece of garbage. Your ENTIRE post is based on one column from one writer who admitted he wasn't even in the room with the players for at least 10 minutes after the game.

You waffle, and change and justify and minimize what you wrote. But it was a piece of trash with conclusions based on one sports writer.

God forbid someone with a different political persuasion than you wrote a political post or comment the way you wrote your garbage slamming an entire football team.

JFO - "About football. ... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "About football. this game and the Giants in particular you know nothing. You choose to take from one writer, his opinion and make it into the facts. It's factually wrong on almost every count."

And you were there JFO? The sports writer was, even gave a caveat about the locker room being closed - you, you alone think this story as written is opinion not fact.

More proof you will demean and belittle any and everything a Wizbang author posts.

And then you have this tripe from J.R. - "What disqualifies you was the fact that you weren't there and JFO clearly states that in his response. You took someone's interpretation of the events who himself knew none of the actual facts." - Ahem.... excuse me, your going use use JFO as a reference to be critical of DJ yet both DJ and JFO weren't at the game. Shouldn't that also disqualify JFO?

Don't stand on the house of cards too long.

I saw players praising M... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

I saw players praising Manning, praising Corey Webster, and praising Ahmad Bradshaw and Burress and Jacobs.

Again, you saw. So like I said, a few post game interviews gives you enough knowledge to cast the entire Giants team as a bunch of classless meatheads with no respect for a fellow player. I'm sorry, but the players names you heard receiving the most praise also receive the most criticism when they lose.

As someone who claims football knowledge through experience I would expect you to know this.

And shame on you for making me defend this team, I'm a friggin' Eagles fan.

JFO - "God forbid someo... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "God forbid someone with a different political persuasion than you wrote a political post or comment.

That pretty much sums up what most feel about 99.99% of your contributions around here. The Earth would crumble under a mass electrical storm ordered from On High if you ever wrote something close to respectful, honest and on topic.

Go away little boy.

And then you have this t... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

And then you have this tripe from J.R. - "What disqualifies you was the fact that you weren't there and JFO clearly states that in his response. You took someone's interpretation of the events who himself knew none of the actual facts." - Ahem.... excuse me, your going use use JFO as a reference to be critical of DJ yet both DJ and JFO weren't at the game. Shouldn't that also disqualify JFO?

marc, this is the statement from JFO that I agree with:

You choose to take from one writer, his opinion and make it into the facts.

JFO is right about that and I never agree with anything JFO writes about (as can be said about everything else he writes in that post). And

JFO isn't making blanket statements about the character of the entire Giants team either, DJ is. So that kind of makes being critical of DJ more to the point I am trying to make.

In case you're having troub... (Below threshold)

In case you're having trouble finding any "asswipes" with anything to say about Tynes - from the Giants site, postgame transcripts:
*
Q. Any nerves as Tynes is going out there for what turned out to be the game winner, especially what happened the previous two kicks?

ANTONIO PIERCE: No, because to me he's been pretty consistent all year. He missed one, and yeah, we had to go to overtime, but hell, the defense went out there and played, Corey Webster, interception. You didn't hear anybody say anything. No, we were going to make it, we were going to win it. That's what he did and that's why we're here today talking about it.
*
Q. When Lawrence misses what was going through your mind in the final minutes?

ELI MANNING: Just hoping he would make that last one right before in regulation, and I thought we got down there and gave ourselves a shot. But you're always thinking, Coach Gilbride said, "Prepare yourself for overtime. Get yourself focused what they like to do in clutch situations or in crunch time." Corey Webster gets the interception, all of a sudden we're put in position, and I said, "Hey, let's try to score. I want to score a touchdown, not have to settle for another field goal." It's cold, bad conditions. Obviously we had the touchdown run and it gets called back.
But it was just a great kick by Lawrence at the end hitting the long one to win it. I think we like to make things exciting on this team, and it's another example. We don't like to win the easy way on a short field goal, we like to hit the long one to win it.
*
Q. What was your emotion when Lawrence lined up for that overtime field goal? What do you remember thinking?

ELI MANNING: I said, hey, he can make this one. There's no reason why. We've got another shot, we've got another opportunity. He's made big field goals for us before, and it just seems like we just like to put ourselves in those situations. We like to make it tough on ourselves. We can't make the short one and win at home, but we can win on the road, make the 47‑yard field goal in overtime just to make it exciting.
*
"I was just thinking of that Seattle game (in 2005, when Jay Feely missed three potential game-winning field goals)," Amani Toomer said. "A game we dominated the whole day and then we missed a couple field goals and it ended. But now I guess our kicker is a different type. He is a real mentally strong kicker. I have seen a lot of kickers go the other way if they miss two field goals in a game. To win it in overtime like that, I just can't say enough good things about it."

somebody must've stayed up too late partying at the giants' site, though, some of the other transcripts, including Tynes' and Coughlin's link you to other transcripts.

J.R. - "Again, you saw.... (Below threshold)
marc:

J.R. - "Again, you saw. So like I said, a few post game interviews gives you enough knowledge to cast the entire Giants team as a bunch of classless meatheads with no respect for a fellow player."

Unless you have some super-duper TV receiver pulled from a cereal box no one else has access to you had the same view he did, yet he's wrong based on what on onsite witness has said and.... your soooooo right.

Funny how that works. I gotta get me one of those special TV receivers for the times I watch horse racing, I should be able to make a killing on knowing what others don't.

Unless you have some sup... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Unless you have some super-duper TV receiver pulled from a cereal box no one else has access to you had the same view he did, yet he's wrong based on what on onsite witness has said and.... your soooooo right.

wow marc could you be any more obtuse? I'm not saying anyone is right here? What I am saying, and quite clearly, is that after watching the same game and post game it would be wrong for someone to assume that because he didn't see one person interviewed congratulate Tynes that the whole organization are asswipes. Can you understand that? Don't lump me into some category because I agree with one statement of JFO's.

And marc, I hope you read Falze's post and realize what a mistake it was to attack me for what turns out to be a baseless assertion by DJ.

marcWhenever I thi... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

Whenever I think you can't out-idiot yourself, you prove me wrong. Think about it, I know it's hard for you, but just think about it.It is you,marc, who defends to the ends of the earth wizbangers who are critiqued by the left. Always you sing the same old song about cites to the facts, demanding proofs, wanting the evidence and generally carrying on till your head explodes.

Now, you step forward to defend a wizzer who slams an ENTIRE organization based on the observations of ONE writer who admittadly wasn't even there for the FIRST 10 minutes in the locker room.

If you weren't such a blowhard ahole you'd almost be funny. But you're just pathetic.

Thank you, Falze. Those co... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Thank you, Falze. Those comments by Manning show the class I never saw from the rest of the Giants.

JFO - "Now, you step fo... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "Now, you step forward to defend a wizzer who slams an ENTIRE organization based on the observations of ONE writer who admittadly wasn't even there for the FIRST 10 minutes in the locker room."

And your claim is based on DJ not being at the same game you yourself missed and didn't attend. (attending MorOn.org talking points meeting no doubt)

So the reality is YOU know no more than DJ.

Again, go away little boy.

Or chose not to look for an... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Or chose not to look for and assumed wasn't there.

marcYou never fail... (Below threshold)
JFO:

marc

You never fail to prove my point about you. I wasn't at the game but I did look at loads of video on the Giants website, other websites, as well as read comments from many players. If a fool like you took even a minute to look at the Giants website you'd even see video of Tynes being hugged in the locker room. Added to that of course are the statements of the players and the coach.

I know the point some of us are making is beyond you but lets try it one more time. DJ slammed an ENTIRE organization - not based on facts he personally observed- based on an OBSERVATION of ONE writer who wasn't THERE for the FIRST 10 MINUTES. That's garbage writing.

Now if you can't figure that out go ask someone with just a modicum of intelligence to explain it to you.

Really, JFO? Giant players ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Really, JFO? Giant players hugging Tynes?

Link, please.

<a href="http://www.giants.... (Below threshold)
JFO:
How does that crow taste DJ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

How does that crow taste DJ?

No crow, J.R. I saw... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

No crow, J.R. I saw one player hug Tynes, and I already noted him.

No one else.

Your bird for the entree, not mine.

No, there's another view of... (Below threshold)
JFO:

No, there's another view of his face where he's being hugged and patted.

Also DJ did you look at the tape of the post-game conference where Tynes responds to a question about what the players said to him? Well, he said they told him they loved him.


Pretty nasty teammates eh?

Whatever, this post deserve... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Whatever, this post deserves a correction and you know it. You jumped the gun, assumed incorrectly and were wrong.

J.R. I saw one player hug Tynes, and I already noted him.

And who was that? And are you sure you only see one person hugging Tynes? Be careful, you don't want to be proven wrong again.

I used your link and I saw ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I used your link and I saw the tape, JFO. It doesn't disprove a thing I wrote.

I would hardly be surprised that, a day later, the Giants organization would be putting on 'One Happy Family' PR, but that's a different song and dance from what happened at the time. Coughlin's history as a kicker-hating coach is well known, the player interviews immediately after the game are on record, and yeah, I saw what I saw and I noticed what was missing.

Too bad you don't like hearing the Giants called out for it. They played a great game and they deserve the Super Bowl, but the way they treated Tynes was simply wrong. It's not my problem if you can't accept that fact.

<a href="http://snltranscri... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:
DJGood god man you... (Below threshold)
JFO:

DJ

Good god man you're digging your hole deeper and deeper and looking more and more foolish. Your integrity is going down the tubes.

The comments Tynes made on the video tape were from the post-game press conference last night. Last night, DJ Tynes told the world the players told him they loved him. Now you have a conspiracy theory about the Giants and PR? Enlighten us how they apparently forced him to say those things.

Please DJ, I'll be waiting.

I don't really want this to... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I don't really want this to get nasty, J.R. I posted what I thought and I stand by it. You don't have to agree, but there's really no point in bickering, because neither of us is going to change our minds.

You and JFO and some others think one way, but you might want to read through this thread and notice that some folks agree with me, saw the same thing, and are aware of this situation. What happened Sunday was not an anomaly. Granted, the pressure of the situation no doubt contributed, but it's not as if this was the exception to how the Giants operate.

They're not the only club to do that. A number of clubs treat certain players like pariahs, whether deserved or not. This one was just obvious and well out of bounds.

In my opinion, of course.

LOL, Thanks Sheikh!!... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

LOL, Thanks Sheikh!!

DJ,You're welcome!... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

DJ,

You're welcome!

This conversation needed some levity.

You are correct, sir!... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

You are correct, sir!

[ in best Ed McMahon voice ]

With all due respect DJ, yo... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

With all due respect DJ, your adherence to your opinion in spite of all the proof otherwise is just disappointing. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't think you aren't going to be challenged when you recklessly call out an entire organization as classless when you have nothing more than an article and what you saw on television during and after the game. It's just embarrassing on your part.

I would expect this from the blue portion of this blog, not from the main page. By the way, you still haven't mentioned who the player you noted was that hugged Tynes after the game. And if he was the only one.

J.R., you have a right to y... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

J.R., you have a right to your opinion, but it's not "proof".

DJ, my proof is from the vi... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

DJ, my proof is from the videos at the link provided by JFO. And from the statements highlighted be Falze. All you have is baseless beliefs about kickers in general and a poorly researched, incorrect, biased article. Kudos to you.

Again J.R., I saw those tap... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Again J.R., I saw those tapes. They don't prove what you claim.


DJ, since you refuse to exp... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

DJ, since you refuse to expand upon your one reference to the player who hugged Tynes I can only assume you mean Jeff Feagles. Too bad you didn't continue watching to the point where number 98 (or 88) is also shown hugging Tynes. Just another thing you're wrong about.

But hey, I can't change the opinion of a close minded fool, I can only continue to point out the foolishness of his screeds.

DJ-Listen I watche... (Below threshold)
Rory:

DJ-

Listen I watched the game with as die hard Giants fan who grew up in Queens,....

Anyways he follows the team hell or high water and he said that this kicker has been notoriously bad and will probably be let go.


Judging it from that perspective the kicker has let his team down many times beofe not just the two times previously in this one game-bad enough as that was.

JFO - "If a fool like y... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO - "If a fool like you took even a minute to look at the Giants website you'd even see video of Tynes being hugged in the locker room. Added to that of course are the statements of the players and the coach."

No thinks, I swore off the NFL (numerous felons league), the MLB (massively large buffoons) over a decade ago.

- "Now if you can't figure that out go ask someone with just a modicum of intelligence to explain it to you."

And who might that be? Certainly not you as has been demonstrated for many months.

Man... I only swing by once... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Man... I only swing by once or twice a week but that is still often enough to know that JFO is still a complete fucking asshole.

I tell you what JFO (you fucking moron) since it means soooooooo much to you, I propose you live by your own rules.....

From now on you should only be allowed to comment on Wizbang about events you where actually a firsthand witness to.

What say you JFO.... Man of integrity or hypocritical asswipe?

We await with bated breath.

Anone who uses a Bill ORall... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Anone who uses a Bill ORallyism, i.e you Paul, should just do the world a favor and hold your breath rather than wait with baited breath. Then we can watch your silly head explode.


marc

You finally reveal a truth. You bloviate on and on about a subject you admit to knowing nothing about. What a shock!! LOL

You obviously have breathed in way too much gas emissions which unfortunately you then discharge through your mouth spewing your noxious fumes here and other places. Stay away from car racing. maybe you'll get better. But I do give you credit for at last admitting how ignorant you are.

Jesus Christ, it's a foo... (Below threshold)
matthew:

Jesus Christ, it's a football game. I can't remember the last time I saw so much venom tossed around over something so trivial. Do you work for the Giants, JFO? Was your father a disgraced kicker, DJ? Man...

Nice try JFO.... but bullsh... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Nice try JFO.... but bullshit.

Are you not willing to live by the rules you want to impose on others?

From now on you are only allowed to comment on Wizbang if you witnessed an event first hand?

Don't tell me you're a hypocritical asshole...

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BTW I have no idea what "ORallyism" you're referring to; don't watch him.

>Anone who uses a Bill ORal... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>Anone who uses a Bill ORallyism,

It took me 5 minutes but I figured out what you where talking about.

Sorry to disappoint, but "What say ye" isn't from Bill O'Reilly... It's from Shakespeare; the 4th act of King Henry VI, Part 2 you unread ignorant idiot.

PaulMy apology for... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Paul

My apology for the O'Reilly assumption. Unread and ignorant? No.
You really ought to take something for your Tourettes syndrome or you should go to confession or your mommy ought to wash your mouth out with soap.

All that said, lets get back to the issue. You pompously bloviate (very much like O'Reilly) on and on about how I should be held to a standard of first hand witness or knowledge because I didn't hold an EDITOR writing a POST to the same standard.

Firstly, had you bothered to read the post and the comments you would understand that I never raised such a standard for DJ. My point was that he was condemning an ENTIRE organization based on the observations of ONE writer who was NOT a WITNESS to the frist 10 minutes of the team in the locker room. When the EDITOR of the post was confronted by myself and other commentors with FACTS from VIDEOS and PLAYERS he didn't have the integrity to acknowledge how poorly his POST was sourced and written.

If he were a journalist and took a piece like his one to an editor and attempted to defend it the way he did here he probably would have been assigned to the graveyard copy position till he learned some basic integrity.

An observation: you didn't similarly spew your bile on those from the right side who also challenged DJ and his integrity. That says much about who you are as a person.

Lastly, if you took your head out of your ass or your Shakespeare book and took a modicum of time to really read all that was written, and you had just a MODICUM of integrity you'd ---- ah never mind what am I thinking?

CorrectionBecause ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Correction

Because I (allegedly) held an editor (DJ) to such a standard.




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