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Islam: The Religion Of Ghouls

"Islam is a religion of peace."

I've often scoffed at that notion, but now I think it's just a misunderstanding. Islam is a religion of pieces -- body pieces.

Over in Lebanon, the head of Hezbollah (which, I must restate, means "Party Of Allah"), the terrorist group that dominates much of Lebanon and regularly wages war against Israel, emerged from his bunker, saw his shadow, and promised another ten years of terrorism. Whoops, my bad.

No, he emerged to boast of his trophies from the last brief war with Israel. That fight, you might recall, was ended by international pressure. The UN intervened and arranged Israel to withdraw, then moved in to keep Hezbollah from re-fortifying the south and help the Lebanese government reassert control over its own territory.

That's worked out just swimmingly. Hezbollah ("Party Of Allah") boasts that its hold on southern Lebanon is stronger than ever, they have even more missiles and rockets, and are now working to tighten their grip on the Lebanese government.

And here comes their leader, Mole Man Hassan Nasrallah (he's stayed out of sight because of entirely-reasonable fears of being killed by Israel). He's popped up to brag about his latest trophies.

"Oh Zionists your army is lying to you ... your army has left the body parts of your soldiers in our villages and fields... Our mujahideen used to fight these Zionists, killing them and collecting their body parts. I am not talking about regular body parts. I tell the Israelis, we have the heads of your soldiers, we have hands, we have legs... There is even a near-complete body, a half or three-quarters of a body, from head, to chest to the torso."

OK, call that one deviant. One sick fuck of a terrorist who's using Islam to rationalize his sadism and necrophilia.

One sick fuck who is the head of Lebanon's most powerful political party and the de facto head of a state-within-a-state, and whose organization owes its survival and current status to the United Nations, which passed a Security Council resolution that ought to have crippled them -- but willfully turns a blind eye as Hezbollah ("Party of Allah") rebuilds and prepares for their next war.

That's one deviant. Or, at least, one group of deviants. Does that really say much about Muslims in general?

This is the current Muslim observance of Ashura, the observance of the death of one of Mohammed's grandsons. I didn't know much about it, so I wandered over to Wikipedia for some details.

I was surprised (but I'm not sure why) to learn that Ashura is yet another Islamic plagiarism from Judaism. But they brought their traditional innovations -- in this case, the tradition of beating themselves and each other with chains and flails and swords.

This put me in mind of the Easter tradition in the Philippines of various exceptionally devout Christians of having themselves crucified. The difference here is, this is one isolated element that is officially disapproved by both secular and religious authorities; the mutilations and carnage of Ashura occur in public all around the world -- even in Queens, New York.

(Warning: these photos are not for the squeamish.)

You want more proof how widespread it is? Do a Google Image Search for "Ashura." Here, I'll save you the trouble: of the first 20 images that show up, one is a movie poster, one is of a hedgehog from a video game, and the remaining 18 show Muslims cheerfully bleeding all over the place -- including two little boys with freely hemorrhaging scalps.


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"Islam is a religion of pea... (Below threshold)
jim2:

"Islam is a religion of peace."

It is my understanding that this is a common misunderstanding of the translation of the Arabic. The root word of Islam is "al-silm" which means "submission" or "surrender", not "Al-Salaam" which is a closer fit to "peace".

Consider the careful phrasing of a pro-Islamic site:

"... in Islam the word 'peace' does not only mean to be at rest or to have a compromise of a perfect understanding with the rest of the world. It also means submission."

Excerpt from:

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000193.html

The "submission" is to the will of Allah, which includes obedience to all the laws of Islam. Or, more simply, submit or die, unless you are willing to remain vigilant, determined, and strong enough such that you cannot be forced to submit.

I'm from Dearborn, Michigan... (Below threshold)
Bruce:

I'm from Dearborn, Michigan - epi-center for Islam in the USA for 50 years now.

The Aushura "Festival" is pathetic and sick and it's now here in the US, Canada, England, Australia, etc.

The bigger question is how did it get here?

Answer: Mass immigration.

It seems worthy of mention ... (Below threshold)
Boyd Author Profile Page:

It seems worthy of mention that this brutal version of Ashura is a Shi'ite tradition (and Hezbolla is a Shi'ite organization). For Sunni Muslims, it's not violent in any way.

Sadly, acts of mortificatio... (Below threshold)
jim2:

Sadly, acts of mortification such as self-scourging are hardly unknown in Christianity. Indeed, they have historically been highly respected and even encouraged in cases like, say, Lent.

Since you've cited the wiki, look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh

Sado sicko twisted mental w... (Below threshold)
914:

Sado sicko twisted mental weirdos.

This behavior manifests its... (Below threshold)

This behavior manifests itself in two kinds of people; 1) those who are fully indoctrinated into it from an early age and probably would not have gone that route otherwise and 2) those who take it up later in life who have a deep seated and unadmitted self-hatred using a religious tenet to justify self-destructive tendencies.

We look at "cutters" and wonder what's wrong with them, but we look at people who practice self-mortification for religious reasons and suddenly, it's justifiable. It's their religion.

Jim2,the flagellen... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Jim2,

the flagellentist movement was denounced by the church as heresy in the 14th century and never had really much sanction in the century before when the movement began. This is where the self-inflicted wounding that happens today is based on and it is still heretical.

What happens now with any kind of sanction in Christianity is at most fasting. No one condemns Islam for Rhamadan.

The impulse for self-inflicted wounding exist in both religions. As well as violence in general. It how the others in those religions treat those movements that matters the most.

There is no comparison.

At all.

Period.

We "invite" these foreigner... (Below threshold)
Jay:

We "invite" these foreigners into our country, they bring their 7th century customs along with them.

Then the ultra-tolerant, liberal MSM, public schools, etc. dare not ever criticize such primitive behavior.

Remember people, Islam is not only a religion but a political ideology as well.

Restrict muslim immigration. In fact, reduce all immigration for a while.

Bruce - "I'm from Dearb... (Below threshold)
marc:

Bruce - "I'm from Dearborn, Michigan - epi-center for Islam in the USA for 50 years now."

Then you better relearn your local history.

I spent the first 31 years of my left living within 2 miles of the Detroit/Dearborn border.

The place was lorded over by the despicable mayor Orville Hubbard for 36 years from 1942-1978.

The place wasn't just white, it was Lilly-White with a capital "L" and capital "W". Hubbard became the most famous segregationist north of the Mason-Dixon line bar none.

Bruce, if you care to amend that remark to read "epi-center for Islam in the USA for something less than 30 years good on ya, if not go back to school and learn the history of your professed home town.

jpm100 -If it "was... (Below threshold)
jim2:

jpm100 -

If it "was denounced by the church as heresy in the 14th century", why (just as one example), did the Jesuits introduce it in the Phillippines around 1600?

"Chirino relates the progress of the Jesuit mission during the year 1596-97. ... At this time is begun the practice of self-scourging as a voluntary penance."

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:t8N1wpqSEgYJ:www.gutenberg.org/files/15022/15022-8.txt+mortification+of+the+flesh+self-scourging&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=30&gl=us

Did the Church decree the Jesuits to be heretics?

marc my boy......life-long ... (Below threshold)
Bruce:

marc my boy......life-long Dearborn resident here, 40+ years. But you're argument is exactly what??

You need a little perspective on your history. I'm not defending Hubbard on everything he ever did, however, you're talking about decades ago. Dearborn is on the Detroit border, whereas other suburbs are not. Detroit was and is chronically inept. Hubbard used force to prevent the spreading of the Detroit riots spilling over into Dearborn. Would you do otherwise?

Other suburbs can look down their noses at Dearborn but were they so racially diverse? Are they even today? No, for the most part, they are not. There's a lesson here for liberals like yourself. People do in fact tend to prefer to live among those similar in background and values to themselves.

But after this distraction, what does discussing Dearborn/Detroit relations 40-50 years ago have to do with the Islamification of our country? Got ya on that one buddy! Cha-ching!

from Lawrence Auster's site... (Below threshold)
Ray:

from Lawrence Auster's site...VFR

"Just as, once we admit a significant number of Muslims into our country, we are inevitably going to have honor killings, we are inevitably going to have Ashura self-flagellation festivals, we are inevitably going to have public recognition of Muslim holidays, we are inevitably going to have Muslim schools teaching young Muslims to hate Jews and Christians, we are inevitably going to have Muslim women in their frightful head and body coverings going around in public, we are inevitably going to have Muslim public officials taking their oath of office on the Koran, we are inevitably going to have sharia (first in "mere" private, family law, then integrated into public law), we are inevitably going to have domestic jihad, we are inevitably going to have Islamic terrorism, we are inevitably going to have to turn our society into a security state in order to protect ourselves from such terrorism, and we are inevitably going to have the prohibition of truthful statements about any of the above. "

I dunno, Ray. I live in Ont... (Below threshold)
matthew:

I dunno, Ray. I live in Ontario, and the provincial government rejected Sharia law within the Muslim community in part because it runs afoul of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There's no slippery slope from allowing Muslims to immigrate, to Muslims practicing honor killings. Some asshole here in Toronto killed his daughter for refusing to wear traditional garb to school, and he's up on murder charges. Seems like the system works here. One would think that in your racially charged nation, there would be nothing to worry about.

Jim2,That was one ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Jim2,

That was one Jesuit mission to the Phillipines. And to your question, the Jesuits did get cocky at one point their order was suppressed by the Pope.

I first read about Ashura i... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I first read about Ashura in Steven Vincent's book "In The Red Zone: A Journey Into The Soul Of Iraq". The way Ashura is commemorated by Sunni and S'hia is a big sticking point between the two sects (or, as Sunni and S'hia consider themselves, "tribes"), as I recall reading. Sunni believe one should fast; the S'hia, well, their into self-flagellation and martyrdom (not that the Sunni aren't into martyrdom).

In short, the Sunni think the S'hia are fucking weird for observing Ashura this way. And they have a point.

I think this is a fair, albeit small example of how violence plays a significant role in the religion.

We always hear liberal elites and scholars say violence breeds violence. Well, here's a fine, worldwide example of that.

Or maybe it's just a "cultural thang" and the rest of us are just being ignorant and intolerant Westerners.../sarcasm tag off this last line

Bruce - "marc my boy...... (Below threshold)
marc:

Bruce - "marc my boy......life-long Dearborn resident here, 40+ years. But you're argument is exactly what?? You need a little perspective on your history. I'm not defending Hubbard on everything he ever did, however, you're talking about decades ago.

My arguement is exactly what is stated. You made a claim that is demonstrably false. Islam had no hold on Dearborn 50 years ago and it didn't have one in 1978 when then mayor Hubbard left office.

Before then if your weren't while as the driven snow you didn't live there and if you weren't and sported the slightest tan shade of any persuasion you damn well better have driven thru the place at top speed.

More from Bruce - "There's a lesson here for liberals like yourself."

And you know I'm a liberal how? Here's a clue for you, when debating an issue don't conjure up guesswork and present it as fact. Don't offer something you can't possibly know as fact, you only make your self look the fool you apparently are.

And Bruce's fanale is - "what does discussing Dearborn/Detroit relations 40-50 years ago have to do with the Islamification of our country? Got ya on that one buddy! Cha-ching!

You "got" ME?!

Who was it that first brought the statement "I'm from Dearborn, Michigan - epi-center for Islam in the USA for 50 years now into this thread?

That would be YOU - "Buddy!"

You're a liberal, marc?... (Below threshold)
matthew:

You're a liberal, marc?

matthew - "You're a lib... (Below threshold)
marc:

matthew - "You're a liberal, marc?"

Ask Bruce, he seems to know. Something, I think. But it damn sure isn't about my political persuasion OR his own hometown. Assuming it is.

This seems like a rather an... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

This seems like a rather ancient custom. I wasn't so squeamish as I was concerned about infection and bleeding to death. That was just so weird to see the mother smiling over a bleeding child with a blade in her hand.

I read about an even more horrifying custom about a tribe of headhunters who believed treachery was the highest virtue. An example would be to build up the confidence of a tribe member and make him feel that he had the potential of being a leader. Then, while he wasn't expecting it, murder him and cannibalize him. When you think you've heard it all, there's always something worse, like a civilization where you're living in constant fear.

"amend that remark to read ... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

"amend that remark to read "epi-center for Islam in the USA for something less than 30 years good on ya"

30 ago years, 50 ago years who gives a rats ass!!!
The bottom line is that a shit load of "the religion of pieces" inhabit Dearborn NOW??!!

"Islam, the religion of gho... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

"Islam, the religion of ghouls"

Sorry to see that you are so comfortable displaying such bigotry. Not that you are comfortable being a bigot, mind you, most bigots are. Just that you are comfortable displaying it.

Mike, I'm sorry reality off... (Below threshold)

Mike, I'm sorry reality offends you. Perhaps you ought to consider moving to another where such things as Hezbollah and Ashura rituals don't happen.

I thought I made it clear: I cited two examples where Muslims claiming to act in their god's name carried out barbaric, disgusting, ghoulish behavior. In one case, there is not only no condemnation, but tacit acceptance from the rest of the Muslim community. In the other, it is a very widespread practice by many, many Muslims around the world.

Which did you find more offensive, mikem? That I described the as "ghoulish," or that I had the nerve to comment on them at all? Or do you think Nasrallah's boasting of possessing Israeli body parts and the Ashura ritual of publicly injuring yourself in a particularly bloody way (and encouraging others, even children, do do so) are something we should just ignore (or, even, embrace) in the name of "diversity?"

Thanks, but no thanks.

I grow discomfortable when I stick my head in the sand and pretend everything's sunshine and roses.

J.

"I cited two examples where... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

"I cited two examples where Muslims claiming to act in their god's name carried out barbaric, disgusting, ghoulish behavior. In one case, there is not only no condemnation, but tacit acceptance from the rest of the Muslim community."

That is true about Judaism also, JT. We just ignore it or call it anti-Semitic nonsense. From being a supporter of Israel and having commented at many pro-Israeli sites over the years (including LGF before he started his Religion of Peace mockery) I am well aware of the fact that it requires a lot of sand piles to overlook the Chosen People or "Jewish State"/Star of David flag and not call Judaism a "racist religion" or Israel anything BUT a secular democracy. We do that because we do not assume that all Jews buy into the Chosen People posture and believe themselves to be racially superior to the sometimes "OK" Gentiles (others, not favored by God to have been born to a Jewish mother.)

All religions are open to the type of bigoted stereotyping that you and Charles are engaging in recently, especially Judaism. After all, no other religion that I know of considers there to be a racial component to God's favor, as Judaism does.

I'ld rather take each Jew, Christian or Muslim as I find them and not condemn an entire faith as Ghouls or Racist or Elitist.

Mikem, I thought we were ta... (Below threshold)

Mikem, I thought we were talking about Muslims in Lebanon (a largely Muslim nation, with an substantial Christian populace) and the US (nominally a secular nation, but a predominantly Christian populace). When did Israel and Judaism come into this, except that it's Jewish bodies and body parts that the leader of the Party Of Allah is reveling in?

I point out two of the outright savage and uncivilized aspects of Islam, and you respond by saying "but the Joooos are racists!"

And just to add to the irony, the racial/hereditary aspect of Judaism is not the only way to be a Jew. Witness the Falashas, or the fact that I -- as white a guy you're likely to find outside of Mitt Romney -- could (and almost did) become a Jew. One does not need a Jewish mother to be a Jew, just like one does not need to be born in the US to be an American. It's just a little more work.

But back to my point -- why is the leader of the Party Of Allah waving around body parts? Why are followers of the "Religion Of Peace" slashing themselves and bleeding so copiously in public?

And no going back in history to Christianity's sordid history on this matter. We're talking about TODAY. Christianity outgrew that.

When will Islam mature and discover civilization?

J.

Oh yes, JT. Oh yeah. It's d... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

Oh yes, JT. Oh yeah. It's downright sensible and clearheaded ("and NOT bigoted, how dare you!") to call all Muslims ghouls, as you clearly do, but treating Judaism to the same scrutiny is just downright anti-Semitic ("the Jooos").

"Mikem, I thought we were talking about Muslims in Lebanon"
No, "we" were talking about your declaration of "Islam, Religion of Ghouls". The rest is your attempt to justify a bigoted declaration and my use of Israel and Judaism for an analogy. Shedding light on hypocrisy can be very effective, but not persuasive to bigoted people. Another example would be the JDL attacking Christians in the US as attempting to form a Christian theocracy versus the JDL (and Libertarians en masse) attacking two academics months later for exploring Jewish influence in America. Followed months later by Jewish commentators rightfully expressing pride in the fact that 62 of the One Hundred Most Influential Americans are Jewish. (I guess those commentators are anti-Semitic also.)

I don't like the vicious faith baiting that people like you engage in. You should attack the religious practice that you disagree with instead of the entire faith, if you are not a bigot. That is common sense.

Yeah, mikem, you don't want... (Below threshold)

Yeah, mikem, you don't want to talk about those practices I cited, you just want me to stop talking about them. I've noticed that rather interesting trend -- when someone talks about the darker side of Islam, the rush isn't to condemn the brutality, or even to defend it -- it's to attack the critic instead. The instinct is to also throw in an attack on Jews, too.

If the critic is Jewish, all the better. In this case, though, I'm not, but that doesn't slow you down in the least.

I repeat: The leader of the Party Of Allah is bragging about holding Israeli corpses and body parts as trophies. Muslims around the world are publicly maiming themselves and reveling in the blood of their fellow Muslims, their children, and their own. And your response: "The Jews are racists, and you're a bigot!"

Thanks for helping me prove my point so clearly.

J.

"Yeah, mikem, you don't wan... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

"Yeah, mikem, you don't want to talk about those practices I cited"

That's right. I want to talk about your bigoted headline.

"If the critic is Jewish, all the better."
I know you are not Jewish. I've posted here for years. Even before the great purge.

" The instinct is to also throw in an attack on Jews, too."
Who, me? Gosh no, JT. I was just "keeping my head out of the sand", like you.

Funny how that works, eh?

mikem, I cited concrete exa... (Below threshold)

mikem, I cited concrete examples to back up my generalizing -- the overwhelming support for Hezbollah (The Party Of Allah) among the Muslim world, and the widespread of observance of Ashura by Muslims maiming themselves. If you can come up with a better term for the reveling in this kind of carnage than "ghoulish," I'd be delighted to hear it.

And it was your comment, #23, that tried to swing the subject to Judaism.

If you want to call pointing out disgusting practices as "bigotry," I can accept that. If calling me names is what you need to do to keep from using your own judgment and excusing barbaric practices done in the name of Allah -- and politely ignored by the majority of other Muslims -- is what you need to do, then go ahead and do whatever you need to do to get through the night.

Oh, and what "great purge?" The only purge I can recall is the overwhelming urge to vomit that I get whenever I read your pieces attempting to whitewash the macabre practices I cited above. I don't recall the last time I banned more than a single commenter at a time, and those were pretty well spaced out in time.

And that purge couldn't have been too bad, because you apparently survived it. I think I need to work on my skills -- maybe some kind Muslim from Hezbollah or Hamas or Al Qaeda or any of those other numerous proudly Islamic organizations can give me some tips.

J.

J.

The "great purge" refers to... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

The "great purge" refers to your April Fools purge.

mikem, you really do make a... (Below threshold)

mikem, you really do make a habit out of talking out of your ass, don't you?

I just went through the last three April Fools in the archives, and there was no "purge." I did find the "Michelle Malkin Midnight Massacre" when three commenters who made incredibly vile racist and sexist attacks on Michelle Malkin got their asses banned, but that was April 26 of last year -- almost three weeks after April Fools. I

And you find yet ANOTHER reason to not discuss the head of the Party Of Allah bragging about playing with body parts, or Muslims worldwide whacking their scalps open to show how devout they are. How many more do you think you can pull out of your ass?

J.

Get a grip, JT. The "purge"... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

Get a grip, JT. The "purge" reference was just a timeline point in any case.

Didn't you pull a prank a while back where you announced that a few fellow posters were kicked off for disagreeing you and not honoring some gentlemen's agreement? And then announced that it was all a joke?

"You should attack the reli... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

"You should attack the religious practice that you disagree with instead of the entire faith"

So MIKEM, if you could stop whining for a moment to maybe answer a question.
Do YOU agree that the "religious practice" of removing limbs SHOULD be attacked?

It seems all you want to do is argue that other people may or may not practice the same crap, and attack anyone who brings this bullsh*t to light.
Please answer the question BEFORE you go into a whinebag mode of a distraction.

I dunno, mikem, did I? I do... (Below threshold)

I dunno, mikem, did I? I don't recall it. Give me a few more specifics.

Or read from the phone book. In fact, do anything you like to avoid addressing the real subject of my posting -- the ghoulish behavior by the head of the Party Of Allah, and the public displays of savagery around the world by Muslims observing Ashura.

You're doing it already, so I might as well act like I approve.

J.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it w... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it was another website. I have a clear memory of it being an April Fools joke ("No") because some commenters asked specifically if it was before offering impassioned comments, only to be told at the end of dozens of respobnses that it was, in fact, an April Fools joke.
Obviouslty if it was you, you would remember it, so it must have been somewhere else.

I have no interest in discussing your evidence that "Islam, Religion of Ghouls" is not a bigoted remark any more then I (or you, I assume) would want to discuss evidence that "Negroes, Race of Idiots" is not racist.

Well, mikem, if you don't f... (Below threshold)

Well, mikem, if you don't feel like discussing the subject at hand beyond calling me names and making accusations against me that you can't back up, feel free to shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

With all due respect, of course.

Which, in this case, is exactly none.

J.

Really, JT. If you're going... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

Really, JT. If you're going to throw bombs like you did and declare an entire religion and a billion believers nasty names then you better get used to being called a bigot. Just how in the world you thought that you were immune from the conclusions that others would draw from such ugliness is beyond me. You have a lot of nerve, synthesizing such an outrage at being harshly criticized for such a harshly nasty and bigoted headline. Cry me a river.

And No, and No.

aCCORDING TO ARAB MYTHOLOGY... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

aCCORDING TO ARAB MYTHOLOGY A GHOAL WAS A MONSTER THAT HID OUT IN THE DESERT THEY WOULD TRY YP LURE A MNA AWAY FROM HIS COMPANIONS THEY EAT THEM

JT said: "mikem, you really... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

JT said: "mikem, you really do make a habit out of talking out of your ass, don't you?

I just went through the last three April Fools in the archives, and there was no "purge."

You are either a liar or an imbecile. It took me two minutes to find it in Wizbang archives under April 1, 2005. Congrats, you got me to believe that you wouldn't lie about something so easily checked. If I wasn't bored I wouldn't have bothered. Thanks for the lesson in ethics.

"Published: April 1, 2005 - 2:45 PM
I [Kevin] said earlier that the Creationism/Evolution Debate at Wizbang was over but apparently some people did not get get the message. Even though I told him in email and in public to drop the subject, Paul continued...

As owner of the site, I have decided to make his hiatus permanent. Effective immediately he will no longer be writing for Wizbang. Sometime next week I'll be holding a guest blogging day to look for his replacement.

Update I just got out of a meeting and I see some people think this is some sort of April Fool's Day prank. The people who believe that must not have been reading for the last week."

Oh, my lord, what a maroon.... (Below threshold)

Oh, my lord, what a maroon.

That WAS an April Fool's prank. Arranged well in advance. (Well, a week or so, as I recall.) See the full confession here:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2005/04/01/another-change.php

Hell, if you read the whole article you quoted from, it ENDS with a confession that it was all a prank.

mike, I've reached the conclusion that you have to be faking it. No one could be as dense as you are acting.

J.

Laugh out loud. "T... (Below threshold)
mikem Author Profile Page:

Laugh out loud.

"That WAS an April Fool's prank."

Yep. That was exactly how I described it, as in:
"I have a clear memory of it being an April Fools joke ("No") because some commenters asked specifically if it was before offering impassioned comments, only to be told at the end of dozens of respobnses that it was, in fact, an April Fools joke."

You know... the one that you searched April 1st for back three years...that was right there at April 1st, 2005.

You are a dishonest blogger, JayTea. It is pathetic for a blogger to casually lie about something of such little importance, except for what it reveals about their character.




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