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McCain Wins Florida GOP Primary

Fox News just called it for McCain. It's particularly important to note that McCain won in a Republicans only primary, whereas the other states that he won, New Hampshire and South Carolina, were open states, which means Florida Republicans do seem to want him as their nominee. Governor Charlie Crist's and Senator Mel Martinez's endorsements probably contributed to McCain's win as well. This allows McCain to sail into Super Tuesday with a lot of momentum. Giuliani is done, having come in third, and according to Mark Halperin Giuliani will bow out and endorse McCain, perhaps as early as Wednesday. Although Mitt Romney is not out, McCain's win tonight means the odds that he will be our nominee go way up.

Now, what does this mean to conservatives who swore they would never vote for McCain should he become the nominee? I would hope that they would put aside their distaste and vote for McCain instead of electing a second President Clinton by sitting out.

Added: Having watched Giuliani's speech, his tone sounds like he's done. Could this mean a possible McCain/Giuliani ticket?

Update: Mark Levin at The Corner on Huckabee's insistence on remaining in the race:

Huckabee comes in Fourth. He won't leave. As I and some others said almost from the start, he is vying to be Veep and will continue to try to hold down Romney's numbers in future primaries. Romney is running against McCain-Huckabee, which will be difficult for him.

Update II: Romney's speech was really good. He spoke about growing up in America and that he knew America was the greatest nation on earth. I liked this line: "Freedom and opportunity was like the air; it was everywhere I went." Great imagery. His speeches get better and better every time he gives one. His voice was a bit hoarse, which tells me that behind the scenes he was probably working very hard to rally the troops.

Update III: Listening to McCain's speech now. His speaking cadence is unusual, almost sing songy. I can't quite put my finger on what it's like, but I just don't like it. It's uninspiring and unnatural in some ways. I prefer Romney's style because it sounds like he speaks to the crowd whereas McCain speaks at the crowd. This of course doesn't really mean a whole lot, but it's just my observation.

Update IV: Kathryn Jean Lopez also at The Corner:

I'll shut up after this post, but Romney has been ON since Michigan. It may prove -- it may have been proven tonight -- to be too late. But this guy speaking right now, is hitting important issues, making you feel good about America, as you should. It's a rallying speech. Maybe it's the silly flip-flopping thing that has been too hard to shake. Maybe he took too long to rise above it.

What if Fred had endorsed? What if Jeb had? Ah well.

It may not be over. But it's going to be hard to kill McCain's momentum coming out of tonight and a probable Rudy endorsement. He does have the money and the turnaround skills ...

Let's hope he can do it.

Update V: More praise for Romney's speech tonight. It's from Hugh Hewitt who is a Mitt Man but he's right nonetheless.

Romney's speech tonight was exactly the sort of speech he needs to give again and again for the next week. The conservatives aren't going to throw in the towel which means Romney has the chance to go from underdog to the last man standing opposite McCain next week.

Now that I've had time to think about this, should McCain win the nomination, the smart thing for McCain to do is select Romney as VP. It would unify the party if they are united. Kennedy put LBJ on the ticket and Reagan put Bush on the ticket. You don't have to like the guy to have him as your VP. Huckabee wouldn't work because he's ticked off too many economic conservatives. With the economy being an issue, he'd be very smart. I mentioned McCain/Giuliani earlier, but that wouldn't balance the ticket.

Update VI: The AP confirms that Giuliani will endorse McCain tomorrow.

Update VII: Stephen Green thinks a McCain/Giuliani ticket could happen. Hat tip: Instapundit


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Comments (63)

Do I start heavy drinking o... (Below threshold)

Do I start heavy drinking or crying?
I can't call in sick tomorrow everyone else in the office will be calling in sick.

Voting for McCain will be m... (Below threshold)
Diane:

Voting for McCain will be much easier if he picks a good strong conservative VP.

However, I think Obama will be the Democratic candidate. I no longer think Hillary will lock up the Dem nomination.

"Now, what does this mean t... (Below threshold)
Ed Fairbairn:

"Now, what does this mean to conservatives who swore they would never vote for McCain should he become the nominee. I would hope that they would put aside their distaste and vote for McCain instead of electing a second President Clinton by sitting out."

Well - that is tough for me. Would I rather have the Democrat brand screw up the country or have open borders, global warming, tax raising milquetoast judge appointing (Suter-like) Republican screw it up. If we let the Dems screw it up, then we can have the Republicans come in with a real conservative next time. Otherwise we have another Carter in 4 years after McCain.
This whole thing sucks.

I will not vote for McCain,... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

I will not vote for McCain, but I live in California so my conservative vote doesn't count for very much anyway.

I would hope that they ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

I would hope that they would put aside their distaste and vote for McCain instead of electing a second President Clinton by sitting out.

That is a tough choice. Vote for somebody that is wrong for America to prevent somebody else that is wrong for America being elected.

My state primary (AZ) is coming up on 05 FEB and I will not vote for McCain. As a Republican with a conscience I just can't do it. McCain does not represent Repbulicans, stopped representing the State of AZ after the 2000 elections, is unstable and will sell out the country for his own personal preferences. If elected President, McCain will sell out the country to foriegn interests.

If McCain wants to win, there has to be a reason to vote for him other than the fact that he is the evil alternative to an evil alternative.

The General election is gonna be tough. Hope he picks a really good VP.

This was huge for McCain. ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

This was huge for McCain. Romney will now have to dip into the kids trust fund, and we get to watch the republican party tear itself apart from the inside all the way to the convention.

With a McCain win and the total failure of Rudy, I can't wait to watch Hannity blow a gasket tonight.

Here's a question:... (Below threshold)

Here's a question:

Setting aside national security (which is a major issue) what differentiates John McCain from Bob Dole? Will Republicans turn out in large numbers to vote for a candidate whose only distinction is national security? No.

What was the factor in 2006? Hmmm? Spending? Repudiation by the Republican establishment of Reagan principles? Yes. Yes.

Where is McCain in this algebra? Taxes? Wrong side. Immigration? Wrong side. Spending? I'm not so confident. Judicial appointees? Let's not go there. Free speech? Wrong side. War on Terror? How shall I say this....? I think he lacks the political will (based on the above listed failures) to make the really tough decisions Bush and Cheney made at the expense of short term political expediency.

Unless Romney pulls this out next Tuesday, it's 1996 all over again.

Well, the last time Republi... (Below threshold)

Well, the last time Republicans stayed home in disgust was 1992. Clinton not only won, but despite blundering through his first term so badly he ended up having to plead that "the President is still relevant," yet with a bit of good political advice he managed to portray the Republicans as evil and himself as the "happy medium" between the mean old right wing and the frothing-at-the-mouth Democratic liberals in Congress - at least well enough to win reelection.

Eight years is a lot of judges. A lot.

I detest McCain. I think he's as dirty a fighter as any political candidate in my lifetime, including Nixon and Clinton. He's wrong on many of the issues, arrogantly so, and in such a way as to probably cost us many billions of dollars.

But against Hillary or Obama, he looks better all the time. At his age, we might hope he chooses not to run for a second term.

If McCain wins the nominati... (Below threshold)

If McCain wins the nomination, then the Republican party is truly dead. Great win for the Democrats here.

I have no party. Therefore, I could care less who gets elected, because McCain = Clinton = Obama.

I've suddenly lost all interest in politics. I'm going to have to work 10 times harder to secure my financial future now, since I'll be paying through the nose to the government in taxes. Yippee.

Not sure you could call thi... (Below threshold)
CDR M:

Not sure you could call this a closed race just yet. I would be interested to see how many independents registered Republican for the Primary especially since no one would register to vote Democrat since that vote would not count? Independents seem to flock to McCain.

I'm from Utah, but that's n... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I'm from Utah, but that's not why I like Romney (I'm not LDS). I lived in Arizona, down around Tombstone, for 20 years and I saw what McCain's open borders did to that place. I know 3rd and 4th generation ranchers who are tossing it in. It's a shame to be afraid for your children on your own land. I may not vote for the first time if McCain wins the nomination. I'd rather it was a Dem that screws up the country.

Mitt can put his presidenti... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Mitt can put his presidential dreams to bed along with the kids.

Be careful what you wish fo... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Be careful what you wish for.

But against Hillary o... (Below threshold)

But against Hillary or Obama, he looks better all the time.

I wish you were right Jim, but on this I disagree. Also, the last time Republicans were truly uninspired, excepting 2006, was 1996 w/ Dole. McCain is Dole redux.

Hillary/Obama will crush McCain for the very reasons you detest him. They can fight any way they want with impunity, McCain can't. He has already destroyed his credibility with key components of the Republican base.

McCain is getting 35% of th... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

McCain is getting 35% of the Republican vote. There are many who will never vote for him, including myself.

McCain is worse than the dems. He is bankrolled by the illegals mafia and they are running his campaign. I will do anything to see he is never president, including voting for Satan himself. McCain will destroy the Republican party, which seems to be his mission in life.

Clinton not only won, bu... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Clinton not only won, but despite blundering through his first term so badly...

Yeah, "blundering".

Remind us... what was the result of all that "blundering" after his first term?

Oh yeah... Clinton Approval Rating At All-Time High.

I'm not going to give up on... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

I'm not going to give up on Romney just yet and intend to Caucus for him on Feb 09 (Even though it might be all over by then).

If it is McCain, I can surely say i'd not be voting for him. I'll hope for a solid 3rd party candidate to vote for and i'll despise all the Hugh Hewitts and Jim Addisons out there who will try and scare me into voting for him with the whole Hillary/Obama thing.

Fact is, McCain will put Souter like judges on the Supreme Court. At least with Hillary/Obama we stand a good chance of another 1980 type election.

But I made the mistake of voting for Arnold in California thanks to Hugh Hewitt. I'll not make that mistake again.

If McCain wins the nomin... (Below threshold)
Brian:

If McCain wins the nomination, then the Republican party is truly dead.

Too late.

George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other. He did this on spending, the size of government, war, the ability to prosecute war, immigration and other issues.
Oh yeah... Clinton Ap... (Below threshold)

Oh yeah... Clinton Approval Rating At All-Time High.

No, Brian, as usual you miss the obvious while stooping down to highlight the pointless. Clinton's first term? The grade was sent home in the 1994 change of power in the House and Senate. It was an historic defeat of a sitting President.

Brian:I read that ... (Below threshold)

Brian:

I read that Noonan piece. That's why I didn't say McCain will kill the Republican party. I believe it's truly dead already.

Huckabee will not be offere... (Below threshold)
Don:

Huckabee will not be offered the VP slot. That job was the cost for the Crist endorsement.
I have voted every year for the last 49 years. I even voted for Dole (even though I disliked a great deal about him). Living in NY I have never voted for a democrat.
I will most likely, for the first time in my life, not vote this my 50th election if McCain is the candidate.

I am getting great enjoymen... (Below threshold)

I am getting great enjoyment out of the debacle that is the Democrat party right now, however. It's much more comical to watch liberals come out and say what they really think of the Clintons now. Classic.

As a conservative who unrea... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

As a conservative who unrealistically wished for Coburn or DeMint or Pence, I have to say that I will accept McCain as the nominee and will support him. Like for many conservatives, for me McCain was about last in my preference of all the candidates that ran. However, the people that think that a Hillary or Obama presidency is not much worse than McCain are gravely mistaken. McCain may royally mess things up since he does not know any better, but Hillary or Obama will come after you and your family purposefully and knowingly, and will not let up until they have gotten to ALL of your family.

Interesting news that very ... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Interesting news that very few folks seem to be mentioning.

Apparantly Florida isn't so much a closed primary after al.

1) You can change your registration 30 days prior to the vote (And why not since voting Democrat doesn't count anyway and being independent means you don't have anyone to vote for)

2) If you don't change your registration, you can still vote for Republican or Democrat but have to pay a fine of, wait for it, .50 cents.

And it looks like 3% who voted on the Republican ticket were Democrats and 17% were Independents.

So basically, 20% or a fifth of the voters on the Republican ticket were not even Republicans and yet we hear nothing about this on the MSM. Why?

And why don't Republicans get to pick their own nominee? Disgusting.

"Now, what does this mean t... (Below threshold)
Skip:

"Now, what does this mean to conservatives who swore they would never vote for McCain should he become the nominee? I would hope that they would put aside their distaste and vote for McCain instead of electing a second President Clinton by sitting out."

Nope. Not going to happen. If the country is going to Hell anyways, why would I want to be responsible for any part of it?

I don't disagree McCain cou... (Below threshold)

I don't disagree McCain could lose in Dole-like fashion, but I do disagree with the charge that there is no difference between him and Hillary/Obama. On security issues generally and Iraq specifically, on spending, on life issues, etc., there are stark differences, enough so that I will vote for him if he is the nominee.

I will root for Romney in the meantime, but as long as McCain's stalking horse, Huckabee, remains in the race to draw off conservative votes, it will be tough for Romney to win many states or enough delegates.

Instead of wringing your ha... (Below threshold)

Instead of wringing your hands, let me suggest going to McCain's appearances and asking him a better version of this. If you can't do it yourself, encourage others to do it. Make sure the question points out that he used to work for the MexicanGovernment, and make sure they get it on video.

McCain is a liberal buddy o... (Below threshold)
914:

McCain is a liberal buddy of T Kennedy and Russ F. an unhealthy lout that would die in the first term. I will never vote for the creep, but I sure will vote against that garbage.
The media and a bunch of dems voting in Fla. are not picking my candidate..sockpuppetry of the left on parade with McCain. he is the medias tool to knock out any real conservative, so that either way a liberal wins the white house.

I have to agree with nehemi... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

I have to agree with nehemiah--
Being a strong conservative, I too detest McCain.
As President he would be at worst incompetent, and appease the wrong people. But McCain wouldn't intentionally go out of his way to destroy this country with socialistic bullsh*t.
Shillary and B.Hussein Obama would be on a moonbat mission with an army of libtards.

PLEASE VOTE against ANY (D) in the general election, even if the (R) candidate is a dead chipmunk...VOTE (R)!!!!!!!

I told you some time ago, c... (Below threshold)
Herman:

I told you some time ago, conservatives:

McCAIN FOR YOU, CONSERVATIVES!!! Did you think I was joking???

It will be helpful in the years ahead, conservatives, for you to have at least some understanding of the Spanish language. Let me help a little in this manner. If you want to pleasantly greet your Spanish-speaking neighbor, just say "Buenos Dias, amigo!" (This means "Good day, friend!").

Clinton's first term? Th... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Clinton's first term? The grade was sent home in the 1994

Well, if you want to back up two years to when his term was only halfway over, you're changing the subject. That doesn't change the fact that in 1996, at the end of his term, he had, again, "Approval Rating At All-Time High".

It was an historic defeat of a sitting President.

Historic? You need to brush up on history.

since 1938, the party controlling the White House has lost an average of 44 seats.

Losing seats? Hardly historic. So yeah, in 1994, the Dems lost seats, and it was enough to give control to Reps. True, that hasn't happened to Reps lately... only because they hadn't had Congress in 40 years (that's historic). What was actually "historic" for the Dems was...

the results of Election '98 were practically unthinkable as Democrats defied precedent and most predictions to gain five House seats, two statehouses, while holding their own in the Senate.

And then, of course, we can fast-forward to 2006, which was also historic in that it was the first time ever that one party (Dems, in this case) didn't lose a single incumbent seat.

But now let's get back to the original topic, before your digression, which was Clinton's first term. Which, as previously noted, ended with "Approval Rating At All-Time High".

Perhaps Bush should try such "bungling".

I don't disagree McCain ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I don't disagree McCain could lose in Dole-like fashion

I don't think that's likely. He has a good chance of winning against Hilary, and would probably hold his own against Obama.

I don't think McCain will b... (Below threshold)
Matt:

I don't think McCain will be another Dole. Dole didn't really want to be president, and campaigned like it. All he wanted was to make money lobbying and take viagra. Dole was merely the Senator that drew the short straw since somebody had to run against Clinton.

McCain truly wants to be president as bad as the Clintons do. There are so many things he wants to do as president. Eternal warfare, North American Union, open borders, squelching what little is left of free speech, etc to name a fes.. A vote for McCain is a vote for tyranny the likes of which the left only thinks Bush has been capable of.

I do not believe McCain is evil, but I do believe he is a deluded old man that can only see myopically through the lense of self interest.

Tyranny whether through indifference, accident or incompetence is just as bad as tyranny through malicious intent.

Oh yeah... Clinton Appro... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Oh yeah... Clinton Approval Rating At All-Time High.

GW Bush still beats that figure: 92% in 2001
Even Bush Sr beats Clinton's highest rating.

If you want to pleasantly greet your Spanish-speaking neighbor, just say "Buenos Dias, amigo!" (This means "Good day, friend!").

How about the word "pendejo"...that's a word you should get used to hearing.

Speaking as one of the "any... (Below threshold)
AZ Disgusted:

Speaking as one of the "anybody but McCain" people from way back, yes, I said I'd never vote for McCain. Guess what? I actually mean it!

IMHO, the only way to get the republican party to clean up its act and get rid of big spenders and
open-borders types like McCain and Grahmnesty is to hand it an enormous defeat in november.

Therefor, I am strongly leaning to not only not voting McCain, but voting for the Dem.

Otherwise, we'd get four years of McCaain, and the Repub party getting smeared by his actions.
I'd rather hand the R party a big defeat now and get it over with.

So, count me as a "no way in hell" in Nov. if McCain is the R moninee. I'll even say I'll likely be voting D, unless a decent third party choice appears, or I stay home.

I'm still hoping for Romney, and I'll vote for him next week. He wasn't my first choice but IMHO he's the only hope of stopping McCain.

Let's see here.......2% of ... (Below threshold)
Rovin Author Profile Page:

Let's see here.......2% of the comments here are facing reality while the rest are stunned and in denial over the events that took place in Florida. What scares me the most are the "conservatives" here that proclaim they will sit out if MAC is the Repub nominee. In the words of the one we are supposed to despise the most, "GIVE ME A BREAK"

Get a grip folks.......John McCain will defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election. John McCain is a conservative. (And he has flaws we can deal with).

For those of you that plan to sit out the general election if McCain is the candidate------you we're worthless going in. And you are not focused on the big picture, which is defeating the democratic nominee. Would I prefer Mitt Romney.? No, I preferred Fred Thompson, but the last man standing is who I will support.

Let Hillary, Bill, and Obama continue to fracture their party to the point where they will be so weak that the eventual winner will be defeated. But I will not contribute to the same scenario as a Republican. Get some sleep and get over it.

"For those of you that plan... (Below threshold)
Alan Orfi:

"For those of you that plan to sit out the general election if McCain is the candidate------you we're worthless going in. And you are not focused on the big picture, which is defeating the democratic nominee."

What a rude and ignorant analysis. We were certainly not "worthless going in", but rather, in your self-indulgent manner, worthless to YOU and your liberal nominee. You miss the entire point: We ARE focused on the big picture... which is defeating LIBERALISM.

The idea that a democrat ad... (Below threshold)
troglodyte:

The idea that a democrat administration will disgrace itself so badly as to revive Reagan republicanism is a very risky strategy. I recall reading a very perceptive economic analysis in about 1990 to the effect that whoever won the 1992 election would be regarded as an economic genius - the economy was so ripe no one could screw it up. Clinton won, and the rest is history. An economic idiot like Billy Jef is famous for his expertise. It is equal idiocy to think it can't happen again. Suppose you elect Hillary and, despite her best efforts, we get four years of unprecedented peace and prosperity - and three new SC judges to join her in her second term to screw up the country for the next thirty years. Do you congratulate yourself then, noble purist?

"You miss the entire poi... (Below threshold)

"You miss the entire point: We ARE focused on the big picture... which is defeating LIBERALISM."

And that's is done by sitting home and letting the liberal candidate win by default? Gotcha.

We only need a conservative... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

We only need a conservative independent to run in the general election to take votes from McCain and ensure his defeat. McCain is the devil himself and needs to go back to hell.

McCain is the ultimate stea... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

McCain is the ultimate stealth liberal candidate and he needs to stay out of the White House at all costs.

civildisobedience - do you ... (Below threshold)
Michael:

civildisobedience - do you have mental health issues?

"For those of you ... (Below threshold)
Rovin Author Profile Page:
"For those of you that plan to sit out the general election if McCain is the candidate------you we're worthless going in. And you are not focused on the big picture, which is defeating the democratic nominee."

What a rude and ignorant analysis. We were certainly not "worthless going in", but rather, in your self-indulgent manner, worthless to YOU and your liberal nominee. You miss the entire point: We ARE focused on the big picture... which is defeating LIBERALISM.

Alan,(with all due respect)

First of all, what was so confusing about two candidates going into Florida almost neck and neck before an extremely popular Governor (Charlie Crist ) and Mel Martinez both come out endorsing John McCain. RCP polls have McCain vs. Clinton or Obama virtually tied and this was only up to the 20th of Jan. Polling in California and New York have McCain ahead by almost double digits That's reality my friend, and far from an "ignorant analysis".


For the record, I am a staunch conservative and yes, I have issues with McCain as most here at Wizbang have articulated. None of the remaining two candidates in the Republican race comes close to being the Reagan conservative we are "demanding". Fred Thompson was much closer, but Fred's heart and money just wasn't there. As for "settling for less" , I think we are already there.

The primarys are far from over and Romney is not out of this race by a longshot. But, the utopian conservative government (we all wish for) is neither reality or "the big picture". I will vote for the last man standing in the Republican Primary----NOT VOTING is NOT an option AND WORTHLESS.

Defeating the Democratic Nominee is. And that is defeating
liberalism.


Oyster:I mostly ag... (Below threshold)

Oyster:

I mostly agree with your comments, but not this type. McCain is a liberal candidate. If he wins the nomination, any vote you make (or don't make) will ensure a liberal wins.

Ugh. I meant, "...not this... (Below threshold)

Ugh. I meant, "...not this TIME." Sorry.

It's distressing to think M... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

It's distressing to think McCain might be the nominee. This is the same John "Greg Stillson" McCain (my pet nickname for him) that couldn't win the nomination over a very flawed (IMO) candidate like George Bush in 2000. And he's made himself even more unlikable to this conservative in the interim.

Yes, I will probably close my eyes, hold my nose, and vote for the stinker, if he does become the nominee. Not that my vote will matter much, anyway - Michigan hasn't gone Republican since 1988, and I don't expect that to change if McCain is the GOP nominee.

Rovin,Head-to-head... (Below threshold)
Alan Orfi:

Rovin,

Head-to-head presidential matchups projections from 10 months out have virtually zero correlation to actual results. McCain does a little better than a Romney or Huckabee at this point simply on name recognition.

It has been a long contention of mine that McCain would be easily defeated in November because he cannot hold the base. We do not defeat liberalism with a liberal nomination.

This whole notion being pushed by the MSM that the Republican Party has "moved left" is utter nonsense. McCain has merely benefitted by the unfortunate serendipity of having three other legitimate candidates (Romney, Huckabee and Thompson) splitting our conservative votes. For example, had there been no Huckabee, Romney would have easily won Iowa and Florida and he'd be a huge frontrunner with four victories. Had there been no Romney, then Huckabee would have won South Carolina and maybe even Florida. Thompson single-handedly gave South Carolina to McCain.

The bottom line is that a majority of Republicans do NOT support McCain. I do think it is still possible that he be stopped. Unfortunately, Romney's falseness and penchant for negative campaigning has crippled his image and Huckabee, while on track to amass a surprising number of delegates next week, has not raised nearly enough money to combat the onslaught of attacks sure to come his way as Romney seeks to push him out. These two are killing each other. Has anyone seen Newt?

"Yes, I will proba... (Below threshold)
Rovin Author Profile Page:
"Yes, I will probably close my eyes, hold my nose, and vote for the stinker, if he does become the nominee. Not that my vote will matter much, anyway - Michigan hasn't gone Republican since 1988, and I don't expect that to change if McCain is the GOP nominee."

As a lifelong conservative living in the bastion of liberalism, I feel the same way here in California Weggie. Reagan was our only shining light in the years of darkness.

All very good points Alan. Your suppositions (examples) are spot on. I'm just sick of hearing "real conservatives" say they will just sit out or worse vote for Obama or Hillary to "teach us a lesson". This is unexceptable! If we want another 8 years of Hillary and Bill, then by all means, sit out, and contribute to a national disaster Republicans may not recover from for years with liberal appointments to SCOTUS just for starters. VOTE for the last man standing even if you have to hold your nose. The alternatives will be devastating.

Tom, I understand your poin... (Below threshold)

Tom, I understand your point, but I disagree with your initial comment here as well. Do you want a both-barrels-blazing liberal in there or someone who will uphold at least some conservative principles? I think McCain is a terrible choice myself, but certainly not as bad as Hillary or Obama for all the reasons stated here in past threads. I didn't vote for McCain. I didn't even vote for Crist. But when November rolls around, I'm not going to sit back and make some disingenuous claim that they're all equal and just hand the election over to someone who would unthinkingly spout off that he would never use nuclear weapons under any circumstance or someone who's philosophy of government includes variations of Marxist theory.

We are faced here with the ugly truth of making choices out of a pool of lesser leaders. But it's a choice we must make.

To all of you who sit out the election because of "principle" or say, "It doesn't matter," or "They're all the same":

I will be sad to see your arguments and complaints after November looked upon as inconsequential, because they certainly didn't matter enough to you to get off your pity pots long enough to try and make a difference.

And I hope you all don't use the tired old "my one vote won't make a difference". Just look at the people here in this thread alone who say they won't vote. Then look at past threads and count how many others say they won't vote. Then multiply that country-wide.

I guess we won't be counting on you to do anything. We'll just have to hope that if Hillary is nominated the Obama supporters who hate her enough will vote McCain.

Alan, I agree. Romney can ... (Below threshold)

Alan, I agree. Romney can still pull it off. That is the best we can hope for right now. But if he doesn't, I'm planning ahead.

Drop your partisan bickerin... (Below threshold)
Tim Toerson:

Drop your partisan bickering! McCain and Hillary have already admitted they will widen our bankrupt war and drive this country into the ground like an old Ford Escort. Republicans have done so much damage to this country over the last 8 years (with the Dems voting in every slap) that there is no way another one is getting in after 8 years of the alcoholic shrub.

The machinery is behind HIllary. Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch, big pharma, big defense, communications...Hillary is getting her money from the same people who put in little Bush in 2000. She will be the nominee and the next president, you can bet your boots on that. Obama will be kept in the race long enough for the left-leaning liberal idealists to feel obligated to vote Democrat.

And when Shillary gets in...well, if I may paraphrase the late Warren Zevon - send precious metals, guns and stored food.

Congratulations, people. You're going to be around to witness the fall of the dollar as a world currency, the rise of the regional Amero as it's successor, the land grab of millions of acres to construct the NAFTA super-highway, a SECOND staged massive terror attack in the continental US and ensuing martial law.

Laugh now, cry later. I'm ready, are you?

Ron Paul 2008!... (Below threshold)
Jesus Christ:

Ron Paul 2008!

Its not often you get to se... (Below threshold)
jbw:

Its not often you get to see suicide committed on television. But that is what happened last night in Fl. Rush was correct that a McCain nomination would destroy the Republican party. Bottom line a McCain guarantees an amnesty bill gets passed. It would have passed last year, but the congress became afraid of the "folks". However, if Mr. Amnesty McCain can get the nomination whether he wins or not, it tells the others that amnesty doesn't really matter. It says that talk radio and blogs may make noise but they don't have any real power. Of course once the bill is signed the GOP is no more, solid red states like NC which hasn't voted for a dem since 1976 will turn blue. The future doesn't look very bright, Hugh tries to paint a possible "fight the good fight" scenario, but the MSM will give McCain a huge bump out of FL and Mitt doesn't have the money to counteract it in 22 states. Plus the Rudy endorsement all but gives NY, NJ, and CT to McCain and he won't have to worry about spending money there; also McCain's support among Hispanics will give a large piece of CA along with its moderate GOPers. On top of which Huckabee is staying in to attack Romney and aid McCain in Southern states. I don't mean to be depressing, but you may be witnessing the end of the nation as we know it.

"Rush was correct ... (Below threshold)
Rovin Author Profile Page:
"Rush was correct that a McCain nomination would destroy the Republican party."

This statement makes Rush a closet liberal himself. Keep believing everything Rush says as gospel and his ego will thank you.

I will be sad to see your arguments and complaints after November looked upon as inconsequential, because they certainly didn't matter enough to you to get off your pity pots long enough to try and make a difference.

Oyster, Thankyou for the sanity you're providing.

Oyster:Where exact... (Below threshold)

Oyster:

Where exactly did I say I wouldn't vote? My initial point was that the Republican party has left me, and any vote I'll make is one for a liberal. In case you missed it, McCain doesn't come close to upholding conservative principles.

The idea that McCain is the representative of the Republican party is an absolute joke. 2006 was proof to me that the American voting block is dumber than a box of rocks. This selection, and the idea that Hillary Clinton is in the running, is continuing to prove me right.

What a disaster.

Tom - you don't speak for t... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Tom - you don't speak for the Republican Party.

"I don't mean to be depress... (Below threshold)
Michael:

"I don't mean to be depressing, but you may be witnessing the end of the nation as we know it." Jbw - your not depressing just silly.

you are all nuts. Romney wo... (Below threshold)
Michael:

you are all nuts. Romney would never win against the Dem nom...McCain can. That is all that matter. If the Dem nom was somepne like Bayh or Warner is wouldn't because they are sane people...but the Dems running are not...end of story.

Tom, I wasn't implying that... (Below threshold)

Tom, I wasn't implying that you weren't voting. My note was "To all of you who sit out the election". If you're not in that group, then you shouldn't take offense.

Michael:Tom - y... (Below threshold)

Michael:

Tom - you don't speak for the Republican Party."

I didn't say I did. I said the Republican Party doesn't speak for me.

Oyster:No problem,... (Below threshold)

Oyster:

No problem, I'm with you. I didn't take offense, I understand where you're coming from.

Michael:"Romney... (Below threshold)

Michael:

"Romney would never win against the Dem nom...McCain can."

You can't beat liberals by trying to be more liberal than they are.

I'm a conservative Republic... (Below threshold)
ClobberGirl:

I'm a conservative Republican. I voted for George W. Bush both times, and I'm 26, so that's as far back as my voting record goes. There is nothing McCain can say or do, no VP candidate he could choose that would make me give him my support. If the GOP is dumb enough to run him, then we deserve another Clinton in office because apparently we didn't learn our lesson the last time. You can't beat liberals by running a liberal.

I'm still crossing my fingers that Romney can eek out a win, but if it's gonna be McCain, he won't have my vote.




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