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NAACP leader wants barred Democrat delegates seated

A prominent civil rights leader has told the Democrat National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states' minority communities.

In a Feb. 8 letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond expressed 'great concern at the prospect that millions of voters in Michigan and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted.' Refusing to seat the states' delegations could remind voters of the 'sordid history of racially discriminatory primaries,' he said.

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Chairman Bond has a good point, doesn't he?

Which raises the following question, doesn't it?

Why are the lily-white leaders of the Democrat National Committee so hell bent on disenfranchising minority voters -- especially Florida Latinos -- by excluding Michigan and Florida from the DNC's nominating convention?

After all, wasn't "count every vote" the liberal Democrat mantra as recently as December 2000?


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Racism and sexism is alive ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Racism and sexism is alive and well in the democrat party from the top down. How many times do they have to get caught before the voters wake up? Evidently none of them (voters) can see past their brainwashing and BDS.

The Clintons having to star... (Below threshold)
ras:

The Clintons having to start calling in their markers this early tells all.

I thought it was explained ... (Below threshold)
Kevin:

I thought it was explained to both of these states that because they moved up the date of the vote that it wasnt going to count or something of that nature. In any case IF these votes are to be counted AND since Mrs. Bill Clinton was the only person on the ballot in the race it should be held again with ALL names on the Ballot. The Deomocrats are always talking about EVERYTHING should be fair, well how fair is it to hold a vote with only one name on the Ballot? I am sure Mrs. Bill Clinton would like to count ALL of the votes as they stand, since she was the only one anyone could vote for. The title of this article is very misleading, It should be "COUNT EVERY VOTE EVEN IF THE BALLOT ONLY HAS ONE NAME ON IT"

Mrs. Bill Clinton makes me sick

Obama would do well to open... (Below threshold)
ras:

Obama would do well to openly muse at this pt about healing the wounds by possibly selecting Hillary as his veep, then sit back and watch the Driving Miss Hillary implosion.

Hitlary is going down in fl... (Below threshold)
914:

Hitlary is going down in flames and taking that racist sex predator with Her..

Oh goodie and I totally agr... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Oh goodie and I totally agree. I can't wait to see the democrat party implode and for the Obama supporters to come unglued. This has the potential to rip apart the democrat party. Fun, fun, fun.

I'll translate for JFO:... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I'll translate for JFO:

"I'm nervous as hell about this so I'll lash out at Scrapiron."

Love it.

"The Clintons having to sta... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"The Clintons having to start calling in their markers this early tells all. "

And your statement of ignorance tells all. If you bothered to read the article your would have noticed that Clinton has nothing to do with the complaint.

"In an interview, Bond said the NAACP had taken no position in the race between Clinton and Obama and would not endorse either candidate."

Hmmmm...why are the Repu... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Hmmmm...why are the Republican leaders - certainly we all know they are lily-white and nothing else - disenfranchising voters in...

Good point. Though for obvious reasons Jayson is describing it in very different terms. You see, he thinks that if he uses enough snark, it will hide the fact that he has no defensible position.

I'm all for Wizbang getting more contributors, though it would be nice if they'd gone for more than just anti-Democratic sarcasm and Jempty-headed pablum. Aren't there any conservative writers left who can actually argue a point on its merits?

"Why are the lily-white lea... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Why are the lily-white leaders of the Democrat National Committee so hell bent on disenfranchising minority voters"

JJ, you mean these "lily-white" DNC executive members?
Lottie H. Shackelford Vice Chair and African American
Linda Chavez-Thompson Vice Chair and 2nd Gen Mexican
Mike Honda Vice Chair and Japanese American
Philip Murphy Finance Chair and African American

Thanks for exhibiting your ignorance, and your attempt to smear the DNC.

""The Clintons having to st... (Below threshold)
retired military:

""The Clintons having to start calling in their markers this early tells all. "

And your statement of ignorance tells all. If you bothered to read the article your would have noticed that Clinton has nothing to do with the complaint.
"

ANd if you actually believe waht you wrote you are living proof that ignorance is bliss.

Allowing the Florida and Mi... (Below threshold)

Allowing the Florida and Michigan delegates to be counted will just be laying the groundwork for mayhem in the next election cycle. If there's no penalty for moving your primary date up then even more states will be doing it. We'll be voting in August 2011 for the 2012 election.

The answer clearly is to run caucuses in both these states before the convention. There's plenty of time to do that. But these delegates won't be seated because both Obama and Clinton would have to agree.

Ironically, by moving their elections up, Florida and Michigan may have tossed the election to Obama. If both those states had gone heavily for Clinton on Super Tuesday this contest might have been over.

The sum total is the democr... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The sum total is the democrats are saying they could do it, they could stop the counting, refuse to acknowledge delegates, but heaven forbid if republicans did. The hypocrisy here is so rich, even for lefty standards. ww

BarneyG2000,"In... (Below threshold)
ras:

BarneyG2000,

"In an interview, Bond said the NAACP had taken no position in the race between Clinton and Obama and would not endorse either candidate."

And Julian Bond just happened to make his statement now, at this time, but plumb forgot to horsetrade a favor or a debt in return? Thx for the giggle.

"Why are the lily-white ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Why are the lily-white leaders of the demoncratic National Committee so hell bent on disenfranchising minority voters."

So the taskmasters can keep them "indentured", why else?

"u mean these lily-white DNC executive members?"

No, not those ones. the Howard Deans and Terry McAwfuls lily-white variety.

There is a BIG dif... (Below threshold)
Rory:

There is a BIG difference between -O- and 50% which you are about to find out how stupid a decision that was long term...

The irony being you might have to go to court to settle it.

But where Colorado?

Florida?

Oh and GOOD LUCK finding a judge that wasn't appointed by Clinton or Bush-what a fine mess.

Lilly WHITE?

Well by your own arguments DAMN STRAIGHT relatively speaking.

By your own admitions you guys get a large percentage of the minority vote , and by your OWN party's platform you believe in AFFIRMATIVE Action but exactly what percent of the DNC are Barney2000's people?

Go do that math - it isn't impressive by YOUR own standards.

You all are overly represented by whites by YOUR standards.

Also you know you are the ones always espousing proportional representation and look what a mess you've made of it.

Your primary mess-is that how you are going to run the entire country?

Wow.

Also you bitch INCESSANTLY about the ELECTORAL COLLEGE but it is all just fine and dandy for the Democratic party.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Brian and Barney-H... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Brian and Barney-

Here is the DNC website and the page self-described as "leaders" find me the not "lily white" one-

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/ourleaders.html

link

A did a link for you so you don't have to cut and paste but left the url for descriptive proof.

Now knowing you all won't follow the link here is the "leaders"-

Pelosi
reid
Dean
Sebelius
Schumer
Chris Van Hollen
Mike Gronstal

ALL LILLY White hell they don't even tan well.

"ALL LILY White, hell th... (Below threshold)
914:

"ALL LILY White, hell they dont even tan well."

I have a hunch Rory that if they tanned well they wouldnt be leadership material

Where the hell is BYRD? the well respected grand KKK master?

Rory you idiot, almost ever... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Rory you idiot, almost everyone of those listed has nothing to do with the presidential nomination and the seating of the delegates they are legislature leaders (Reid/Pelosi) or heads of committees, within the democratic party, that further the elections of Democratic Governors, Senators and house members.

I listed several members from the DNC at the vice chairpersons level (leaders) that are minorities. To argue that the democratic party is not diverse when we have current members that are jewish, black, latin american, muslim, gay... Is laughable.

Umm... You do know that at ... (Below threshold)
Dave W:

Umm... You do know that at least in MI, that CLinton was the only candidate on the ballot right?

The voters were disenfranchised by the state moving the primary up, not by the DNC refusing to seat delegates. The state knew the delegates wouldn't count before they moved the primary up.

Who cares who is "lily whit... (Below threshold)
Dave W:

Who cares who is "lily white" and who isn't? since when has that become a qualification for office? Oh, it is in the democrat party, forgot they are obsessed with race. Excuse me. Sorry.

Only in the democrat party can the "first black president" be the one that is married to the woman who is trying more than anyone else to disenfranchise blacks. How many black votes in Detroit weren't cast because Hillary was the only one on the ticket? What about in Florida? Hillary broke party rules by leaving her name on the ballot, and last year at the filing deadline, those of us here in MI knew exactly what she was doing. Leaving her name on so she could try to claim those delegates later.

Once Clinton is selected, we can use the "Selected not Elected" line on her! what irony!!

Barney-The questio... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Barney-

The question was-

what percentage of that group are they?


Why don't they warrant a photo on that page entitled -

"Our Leaders"....

As 914 points out-

Is Byrd going to be one of the super-delegate deciders-

That's rich isn't it?

As for MI being disenfranchised well that's YOUR party's decision but-

YOU ccould not pick two more important Battle Ground states to mess with- keep disenfranchising them-if you had done what Republicans did and only halved the delegates then you wouoldn't be in this "fine mess".

This is the model of how you want to do things once you get the Presidency?


UGLY! and MESSY!

How are you not going to count MI and FL?


How are you going to get pass the fact that Hillary overplayed her hand-and left her name on the ballot in Michigan and went into Florida.

Good luck with that.

If they do seat the MI dele... (Below threshold)
ras:

If they do seat the MI delegates, perhaps the Dem pres candidate could then leave his/her name off the presidential ballot in that state, with no write-ins allowed, when MI votes in the election in November. It'd be exactly as fair, no more, no less.

This is typically liberal: ... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

This is typically liberal: Anyone actually having to be held responsible for their own stupidity is a victim.

Who cares who is "lily w... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Who cares who is "lily white" and who isn't?

Umm, that would be Jayson Javitz, the author of this post. Apparently you didn't read it, though, eh? Oops.

since when has that become a qualification for office? Oh, it is in the democrat party, forgot they are obsessed with race. Excuse me. Sorry.

Pretty funny comment coming from a party with two white men candidates towards a party with a woman and a black candidate. You're excused. Apology accepted.

..Clinton has nothing to... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

..Clinton has nothing to do with the complaint.

9. Posted by BarneyG2000 | February 12, 2008 6:23 PM

Bwahahaha! Admit it, you giggled when you typed that, right? I think even die-hard Dems know that the Clintons had something to do with the complaint.

Who's playing "racial" poli... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Who's playing "racial" politics-

Who said this-?

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," he said bluntly.

"I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann [2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate] been the identical candidate that he was --well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking -- but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so."

Answer: Ed Rendell


DNC Chairman before Dean, Governor of Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton endorser.

Of course he said this today and if you get the message to not vote for Obama....because you know the other guy won't..

btw- that's classic blame your neighbor for your actions.

In public opinion polling you always get to the truth of something shameful by asking the subject-well what would your "neighbor"do..

A wedge is being driven bet... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

A wedge is being driven between the NAALCP and the DEMACROOK PARTY

I swear part of the reason ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I swear part of the reason these states were pulled ahead of Super Tuesday and had their delegates stripped was to encourage cross-over voting to monkey with the Republican Primary numbers just before Super Tuesday.

I guess someone wants their cake and to eat it too.

Who cares who is "lil... (Below threshold)
Dave W:

Who cares who is "lily white" and who isn't?

Umm, that would be Jayson Javitz, the author of this post. Apparently you didn't read it, though, eh? Oops.

since when has that become a qualification for office? Oh, it is in the democrat party, forgot they are obsessed with race. Excuse me. Sorry.

Pretty funny comment coming from a party with two white men candidates towards a party with a woman and a black candidate. You're excused. Apology accepted.

Sorry, but Bill Clinton and the rest of the democrats have been fighting over race the entire time. Jason merely pointed it out in his article. Don't pretend he's the first to bring it up.

Your comment pointing out that we have "2 white men" and your party has "a black guy and a white woman" perfectly illustrates what i am talking about. Your party is so obsessed with gender and race that it makes it a qualification on which to get nominated. Does anyone think that Obama and Hillary are actually in the running on their own merits? Neither of them have any experience period and so far neither of them have actually debated any issues. They dodge questions and never answer anything. Obama spouts nothing but rhetoric about hope and change while Hillary slams the black guy for being black and that makes it his fault that race was injected in the first place.

The real racism resides on the left these days. Face it.

And for the record i will not apologize for you interpreting my statements wrong. Please quit trying to apply what i say to your stereotypical "Right-Winger" template.




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