In my column at Townhall today I talk about the enthusiasm gap in the presidential race and one way to help close it.
There is definitely an enthusiasm gap in the 2008 presidential election. Obama has moved supporters to tears. John McCain has too, but for different reasons. Hillary moved herself to tears - just when it was needed most.With a string of eight consecutive state primary victories, Barack Obama has strong momentum. The excitement surrounding the candidacy of Obama goes beyond mere momentum though. It is fueled by raw emotion and is going to be a powerful thing to beat. Hope and change, like puppy dogs and sunshine, are hard to oppose. So what are a former First Lady and Vietnam POW to do? How do they capture some of that excitement, or at the very least find a way to dampen that Obamania?
I think an exciting VP choice might help, but more than anything, the message that "hope is not a strategy" needs to be told. One of my favorite VP possibilities, Michael Steele, put it this way a year ago:
For years, I sat in audiences and listened as politicians tried to win over voters, especially minority voters, by talking about hope. "Hope is on the way", "keep hope alive", "hope you have a nice day!" But our communities demand more from its leaders than "hope" because hope by itself is not a strategy. Hope doesn't protect you from terrorists, hope doesn't lower your taxes, hope doesn't help you buy a home, and hope doesn't ensure quality education for your kids. What we Republicans can speak to and the kind of leadership Americans demand (and we can provide) affords every citizen the opportunity to turn their dreams into reality and their hopes into action for themselves and their families. Without action, hope passively waits on others to solve problems. Without action, hope looks to next year instead of doing the hard work required today. Without action, hope is powerless to transform lives.
Dean Stephens agrees with me.
John Hawkins' column about Obama's Hallmark message is a great companion piece to this. John writes:
"The Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality." -- Paul KrugmanRead it all.If even Paul Krugman is willing to publicly admit that Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words "change," "unity," and "hope" over and over -- then who am I, a mere conservative blogger, to disagree?
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Incidentally, this is what Democrats mean by change: the ideas of Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, and Dennis Kucinich being mouthed by a young, black man instead of an old, white man. It's sort of like the Democratic idea of diversity, which encompasses a white man, a white woman, and a black man espousing the exact same liberal ideas. But, before it's too late, maybe some of Barack Obama's supporters should try to pin him down on exactly what kind of "changes" he supports before he gets into office and pushes a trillion dollar tax hike, partial birth abortion, and giving drivers licenses to illegal immigrants. My guess is that isn't exactly the sort of "change" that most of the country is hoping for.




Comments (53)
Hope is not a strategy. Sto... (Below threshold)1. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 12:25 PM | Score: -12 (16 votes cast)
Hope is not a strategy. Stoking the base's fear of swarthy people on the other side of the planet, now that's a strategy. Go with it, you'll totally win.
1. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 12:25 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 12:25
2. Posted by JFO | February 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Score: -12 (16 votes cast)
Maybe if one or two of you nitwits took a little time and read his positions and listened to his speeches and watched the debates you'd learn a thing or two.
But no - the wingnut strategy is to sneer that he's an empty suit. That'll get you far. I hope that mantra keeps on spewing forth. That way the 30%ers that you folks are will feel happy inside while the rest of the country moves forward and away from the debacle(s) created by the dimwit in the White House.
(When the usual pack of howing wingnuts demand that I provide the facts my answer is do your own research - for once - rather than just spewing your idiotic talking points).
2. Posted by JFO | February 15, 2008 12:39 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 12:39
3. Posted by Adrian Browne | February 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Score: -9 (13 votes cast)
John "No Hope" McCain
hmmm, might need a little tweaking.
3. Posted by Adrian Browne | February 15, 2008 12:47 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 12:47
4. Posted by Adrian Browne | February 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Score: -9 (13 votes cast)
How does this sound?
"Hopeless McCain '08"
4. Posted by Adrian Browne | February 15, 2008 12:49 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 12:49
5. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | February 15, 2008 12:59 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Stoking enthusiasm is up to McCain. He can start by picking a true conservative veep. If he picks the Huckster, he's dead. Next, he can promise to keep terrorists out of our courts. Then he can renounce the global warming religion. Those would be a start. I wait with bated breath.
Hope is not a strategy, but pointing out the vapidity - or the destructive tendencies - of the opposition is not going to invigorate conservatives. We know that already.
Obama's supporters are enthusiastic because they like him. McCain's "supporters" feel more like they've been conscripted.
5. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | February 15, 2008 12:59 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 12:59
6. Posted by Adrian Browne | February 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Score: -7 (11 votes cast)
We're at the point when even the slender hope of some small, vague change is better than the horrifying specter of another four years of Republicans in the White House.
6. Posted by Adrian Browne | February 15, 2008 1:09 PM |
Score: -7 (11 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 13:09
7. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Score: -2 (12 votes cast)
Well put, Jeff. Obama is likeable, young, and has loin appeal, whereas McCain is old and angry. Obama should run ads that show McCain's jowly face for ten seconds, with the word Seriously? at the bottom of the screen.
This is going to be a cakewalk on superficialities alone, which is a good thing because the media doesn't really lend itself very well to serious policy discussion.
7. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 1:27 PM |
Score: -2 (12 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 13:27
8. Posted by mikem
| February 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Score: 4 (8 votes cast)
"Obama has moved supporters to tears. John McCain has too, but for different reasons. Hillary moved herself to tears - just when it was needed most."
That's beautiful. You have a real talent.
8. Posted by mikem
| February 15, 2008 1:32 PM |
Score: 4 (8 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 13:32
9. Posted by Bob | February 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
To the extent Ombama has any substance, it's exactly the same big government message that prior Democratic candidates have spewed for 30 years. If he really thinks that HOPE lies in bigger government, socialized medicine, repealing NAFTA and erecting new trade barriers, more regulation, etc. ad nauseum, then he's even emptier and more clueless than your post suggests. While I'm not big on McCain, BHO would be a true disaster on the foreign policy scene, where his policies are stupid and helpful to our enemies, not just empty and clueless. His campaign can truthfully be referred to as "The Audacity of Hype" or possibly "The Audacity of Taupe."
9. Posted by Bob | February 15, 2008 1:54 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 13:54
10. Posted by LaMedusa | February 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
"Obama is likeable, young, and has loin appeal,"
You're right about that, Matthew. However, this would be a much better ad photo, and you can keep the caption "Seriously?" at the bottom for good measure. It's not surprising to me at all that you would cater to superficiality, since you're not an American and actually voting in this election.
10. Posted by LaMedusa | February 15, 2008 2:07 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:07
11. Posted by JFO | February 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Score: -5 (9 votes cast)
I have to say I get a kick out of those from the right who want things to stay the same. A broke government borrowing from China to stay afloat, an unsuccessful disastrous Middle East policy, an unfair tax system, tens of millions not able to afford health insurance, a crumbling infrastructure, no solution to our energy issues, crooked politicians too numerous to count, two political parties almost incapable of cooperating with one another, an unsolved border issue, unsafe ports, a military stretched to the limits, and I'm not even going to raise the Iraq issue.
A, for the most part, non-existent, coherent foreign policy, the disdain of most of our allies, a looming China ready to be THE influence in Asia, a president who pretty much only knows where Texas, Connecticut and D.C. are, an executive branch that ignores laws that don't fit its purpose and takes unprecedented power unto itself and stonewalls and lies regularly to Congress and the American people.
And what you folks is more of the same? I don't and I surely don't think the vast majority of Americans do. The government has been entrusted to the conservative republicans in total for 7 of the past 8 years and you think you can make things better? Or you want to keep them the same?
And your answer is that one of the democratic nominees is an "empty suit" and you hate Hillary Clinton on a visceral level and you have a good man in McCain that most of you vilify. Good luck to all of you and your collective "vision" for America. Get ready for, yes, change.
11. Posted by JFO | February 15, 2008 2:10 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:10
12. Posted by JFO | February 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
oops....should have been "...want is more of the same...."
12. Posted by JFO | February 15, 2008 2:12 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:12
13. Posted by Jo | February 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
I love all the liberals who are coming out and saying this worship of Obama is embarrassing for the democrats. Crying at rallies? Oh please, I knew democrats were a little touchy feely but this is humiliating for them.
13. Posted by Jo | February 15, 2008 2:28 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:28
14. Posted by Jo | February 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
P.S. I saw something on TV the other day where they asked democrats what Obama has accomplished or some of his beliefs and crickets sounded (okay not really) but no one knew. All they knew was he speaks really well.
Well, by all means, let's vote for someone who speaks well.
Bwahahahahahah.....you can't make this stuff up -- only democrats, folks, only democrats... lol.
14. Posted by Jo | February 15, 2008 2:30 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:30
15. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | February 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
You're right JFO. I pine for the days when we were selling military secrets to the Chinese, burning unwelcome religious sects to death in their domiciles, forcing little boy refugees back to Cuba at gun point in the dead of night, and shuddering to think what use the president could make of hundreds of illegally obtained FBI files [a.k.a. abuse of executuve power]. Those were the days. The coming "change" is sure to be magnificent.
15. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | February 15, 2008 2:41 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:41
16. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
"because the media doesn't really lend itself very well to serious policy discussion."
That's because the people like your self, who are ideologically communist, but refuse to recognize that fact loose big time in serious policy discussion. The media always want the neo-communist (or Democrat, if you prefer) to win so they simple keep things on the superficial level so the useful idiots will vote for their candidates.
16. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 2:45 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:45
17. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
"one or two of you...took a little time and read his positions"
I did. And I remembered reading the same thing before. Now where was that...
Oh yeah, here it is.
"When the usual pack of howing wingnuts demand that I provide the facts my answer is do your own research - for once - rather than just spewing your idiotic talking points"
In other words, JFO can't prove anything but the really, really, believes all the shit he's been fed so that should be enough.
17. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 2:51 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:51
18. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Score: -6 (6 votes cast)
Your Cold War dichotomies reflect your deep grasp of 21st century geopolitical realities, P. Bunyan. At least your views won't be represented following the general election.
18. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 2:52 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:52
19. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Score: -5 (5 votes cast)
There's a red under the bed! Get 'em, Tail-Gunner Joe!
19. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 2:59 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 14:59
20. Posted by Brian | February 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
"hope is not a strategy"
Neither is "failed strategy". In a run-off between the two, "hope" wins.
20. Posted by Brian | February 15, 2008 3:00 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:00
21. Posted by Brian | February 15, 2008 3:02 PM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
>"Obama is likeable, young, and has loin appeal,"
It's not surprising to me at all that you would cater to superficiality
As opposed to voting for someone because he's a guy you could have a beer with.
Got it.
21. Posted by Brian | February 15, 2008 3:02 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:02
22. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
They're not under the bed mantis, they're running for president. And you useful idiots are supporting them.
22. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:05 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:05
23. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
They're everywhere! Ahhhhh!
23. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 3:11 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:11
24. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
You know Matthew, the reason you Candians are able to maintain your socialist ways is because you sponge off the prosperity of the United States.
If the Democrats gain enough power that prosperity will end and you'll be feeling a lot sooner and harder than we will.
24. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:12 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:12
25. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
You know, I've demonstrated time and again on this blog with facts, evidence, & personal testimony the commonality between communists and modern American Democrats, and not once have any of you leftists presented one substantial shred of evidence to refute anything I've posted.
All you have is chilish invectives. You will only convince other useful idiots with your childish invectives and the other useful idiots don't need convincing.
In fact you're inability present a mature counter argument pretty much proves I'm right.
25. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:19 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:19
26. Posted by LaMedusa | February 15, 2008 3:27 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
"As opposed to voting for someone because he's a guy you could have a beer with."
No one here said Huckabee's beer-buddy appeal nor his likability made him a serious candidate.
26. Posted by LaMedusa | February 15, 2008 3:27 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:27
27. Posted by jpm100 | February 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
And you won't. Because most voters who consider themselves Democrats have no clue how far their Party has shifted. They don't want that to become public knowledge just yet.
However, after a decade or two more of disinformation about the Soviets and Cold War American Politics, they will have a solid generational block who think "Communisms Great!" and that it didn't fail under its own weight.
27. Posted by jpm100 | February 15, 2008 3:36 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:36
28. Posted by Brian | February 15, 2008 3:41 PM | Score: -3 (3 votes cast)
Isn't there a Godwin corollary that substitutes "communist" for "Nazi"?
28. Posted by Brian | February 15, 2008 3:41 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:41
29. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 3:43 PM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
Perhaps I just think your idiotic conflation of left-centrist social democratic values and practices with Communism is too fucking stupid to pay attention to, you unthinking putz. If I'm a Communist then you're a fascist.
As far as Canada "sponging" off of the United States, it seems as though China will be more than happy to buy our natural resources (especially oil) once your dollar tanks even harder. I've moved my investments out of the U.S., and consequently I made good returns on my mutual funds last month whereas my colleagues who kept their monies in your country all experienced net losses.
We're a country of 30 million, so obviously our fate is intertwined with other nations'. We are, however, more than happy to hitch our wagon to a better horse, and we are gradually making the transition. Maybe we should use some of our massive budget surplus to build a wall along the border to keep illegal immigrants from the United States from taking our service-sector jobs...
29. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 3:43 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:43
30. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
In fact you're inability present a mature counter argument pretty much proves I'm right.
The fact that you think my making fun of you proves anything is why you aren't worth arguing with. I'm not unable to argue against the argument that all Democrats are communists, I simply will not waste my time on something so stupid.
30. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 3:44 PM |
Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 15:44
31. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What's the difference between a socialist and a communist, Matthew?
31. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:46 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:46
32. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:48 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Again with the straw man mantis? I never said all democrats are communists. Most of you are just useful idiots who fail to recognize what is happening.
32. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:48 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:48
33. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:50 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Actually there were two strawmen in that single comment mantis. I also did not say your making fun of me proved anything- I said you inability to provide a counter argument did.
33. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 3:50 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:50
34. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 3:55 PM | Score: -5 (5 votes cast)
For fuck's sake, do your own goddamn homework you moron. Here's a head start for you:
-Are all people who believe that infrastructure (i.e. roads) ought to be maintained with public funds COMMUNISTS, or is this merely one socialist precept that EVERY SANE PERSON in the Western world agrees with?
34. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 3:55 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:55
35. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Score: -3 (3 votes cast)
Also, when doing your homework, try and take note of the emphasis on the individual's welfare in socialism vs. the emphasis on the good of the state (or the equivalence of the welfare of the state with the welfare of the aggregate individuals) in Communism.
35. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 3:59 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 15:59
36. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:00 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
O.k. that's a good start Matthew. People who believe that a few very limited things are best handled by the government are not communists.
Now what about people who believe the government should be responsible for controlling ever facet of our lives? Or those who look to the goverment to solve every problem?
36. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:00 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 16:00
37. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
Imagine my surprise, when I found out...
37. Posted by mantis | February 15, 2008 4:01 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 16:01
38. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
"try and take note of the emphasis on the individual's welfare in socialism vs. the emphasis on the good of the state (or the equivalence of the welfare of the state with the welfare of the aggregate individuals) in Communism."
Bill's wife: "we're going to take things away from for the common good."
The communists goal is to improve the individuals welfare. It just happens to fail every time because socialism taken to the extreme is in direct opposition to human nature.
38. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:08 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 16:08
39. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:10 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
And mantis continues to contribute nothing of substance. Thanks!
39. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:10 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 16:10
40. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:16 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
By the way, that was an excellent article again Lorie. Sorry to take this thread so far off topic.
I should just give up. You can lead a useful idiot to the facts, but you can't make 'im think.
40. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 4:16 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 16:16
41. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 4:30 PM | Score: 0 (4 votes cast)
Nothing you puked out above resembles a fact. What is it with you and failing to use words properly?
What is "human nature"? How is facilitating the development of those weaker than ourselves through self-sacrifice contrary to it?
Because I have beliefs that are decidedly socialistic in nature, am I then committed to agreeing with that tiny, insignificant minority who "takes socialism to its extreme"? You seem to think that the answer is yes, simply because my beliefs are to the left of yours. You demonstrate time and time again that you are impervious to nuance. Fuck, it's not even nuance that separates people like me from Chairman Mao--it's a conceptual chasm. I refuse to believe that you're too stupid to understand that, so clearly it must be the case that you're just an asshole.
mantis is guilty only of taking you as seriously as you deserve. I'm an idiot for trying to engage your limited faculty of reason to dissuade you of your Cold War dichotomies, which you will apparently take to your grave with you. Were Obama to take 55% of the popular vote in November, would that thereby show 55% of Americans to be "Communists"? (Hint: no.)
Now I'm sure you know how to read, as McDonald's menus don't have pictures of every single thing for you to point at, so why don't you bust out the library card and familiarize yourself with what you feel like spouting off about on the internet before you go and make yourself look really stupid again? (Not holding my breath.)
41. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 4:30 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 16:30
42. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 5:02 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
"What is "human nature"?
It is human nature to want to be rewarded for your efforts and not put effort into things for which you will not be rewarded. If you can get things without expending any effort, you will not expend the effort. The basic socialist philosophy of "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" or more commonly "tax the rich, feed the poor" is in direct opposition to this nature of humans.
How is facilitating the development of those weaker than ourselves through self-sacrifice contrary to it?"
If you want to "facilitate the development of those weaker" you'd better start supporting the Republicans because that is at the core of everything they do with regard to the needy. If you want to make their poverty slightly more comfortable and tolerable while making sure they remain trapped in that poverty cycle than go with the socialists/democrats as that's at the core of everything they do.
"Because I have beliefs that are decidedly socialistic in nature, am I then committed to agreeing with that tiny, insignificant minority who "takes socialism to its extreme"?
That "tiny, insignificant minority" you speak of makes up about 18% of the American electorate right now and includes Barack and Bill's wife. You sure seem to hope one of those two comes to power.
Let's try this: Can you give me an example of how you or Barack, or Bill's wife would solve a problem without expanding the governments power and taking away individuals rights?
"it's not even nuance that separates people like me from Chairman Mao--it's a conceptual chasm."
The only thing that separates modern American Democrat politicians for old school communists is that the old-schoolers used brutal tactics, and military and police actions to force people into socialism. The modern American Democrats (or neo-comms, as I prefer to call them) use propaganda (a.k.a. the network news, the New York Times, NPR, ect., and most of the "entertainment" industry), the judicial system, and indoctrination (k - college "public" education) to fool people into accepting the very same socialist policies.
"Were Obama to take 55% of the popular vote in November, would that thereby show 55% of Americans to be "Communists"?"
How many times do I have to burn this strawman before you leftists quit trying to reconstruct it? No, 55% would not be communists. Most of them would be useful idiots who ignorantly voted for the neo-communist candidate.
The rest of your post was just childish invective which I'll ignore. Now, why don't you try to answer one of my questions instead of dancing around or ignoring them.
42. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 5:02 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 17:02
43. Posted by WildWillie | February 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
JFO can rest assured. I first checked Obama's voting record in Illinois and the senate. Nothing sponsored. NO voting or voting present. Hmm. Checked his positions, hm, change. Wow! I even agree with Hillary on Obama: "I offer solutions, he offers promises"
Only the blind and truly dumb falls for the empty suit. JFO, I am not shocked. ww
43. Posted by WildWillie | February 15, 2008 5:06 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 17:06
44. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 5:18 PM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
It is human nature to want to be rewarded for your efforts and not put effort into things for which you will not be rewarded. If you can get things without expending any effort, you will not expend the effort. The basic socialist philosophy of "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" or more commonly "tax the rich, feed the poor" is in direct opposition to this nature of humans.
So you don't think that helping those less well off than yourself has intrinsic rewards--you understand the concept of "reward" in a purely materialistic sense! That explains a little bit. As for 18% of the country being Communists, care to produce some evidence? Or do you just divide the number of red cars in your neighborhood by the number of total cars?
I don't think Obama will drastically expand the government, certainly not to the extent that George Bush Jr. did.
Consider this: if a majority of people are "useful idiots" in the Communist vanguard, maybe you're just completely crazy. When you're the guy with the sandwich board with biblical passages written all over it telling anyone who will listen what is wrong with the world, it's hard to take you seriously.
44. Posted by matthew | February 15, 2008 5:18 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 17:18
45. Posted by Peter F. | February 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
I hope Obama shuts up for a change. That would be a welcome new direction.
45. Posted by Peter F. | February 15, 2008 5:34 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 17:34
46. Posted by John S | February 15, 2008 5:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
President Barak can hope all he wants but his policies have to get through Congress. And Congress is controlled by 42,750 registered lobbyists. And the Executive branch consists of 850,000 unelected bureaucrats of which the new president can replace about 100. Doesn't much matter who wins, not much will change. So much for hope.
46. Posted by John S | February 15, 2008 5:38 PM |
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Posted on February 15, 2008 17:38
47. Posted by Maggie | February 15, 2008 5:39 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Matthew,
I've been reading your virulent comments for days now.
Your hatred for my country, my president,
and the citizens of this country who post at
Wizbang, oozes from your posts.
So I'm going to give you the incentive to be
civil and to show some compassion and patience
when exchanging posts with others.
Your quote above pissed me off.
The next time you do so, you're going to
find it difficult posting.
47. Posted by Maggie | February 15, 2008 5:39 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 17:39
48. Posted by LaMedusa | February 15, 2008 5:57 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Let me fix that for you, Matthew:
Consider this: If a twenty-something Canadian male is bored enough with his "day job" (?), maybe he's just completely self-enamored with his own lazy, unsupported incognito generalizations. When you're the kid with the peanut butter and jelly sandwich lunch routine and a stereo-typed view of another country, it's really hard to get even your co-workers to listen to your ruthless drivel because they actually have good friends that reside in the U.S and are sick of it, like yesterday. So, he might as well go to a discussion blog and spout to anyone who will listen what he thinks is wrong with the world, especially at a blog of the country he has utter disdain for.
There, that's better.
48. Posted by LaMedusa | February 15, 2008 5:57 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 17:57
49. Posted by Teresa Heinz-Kerry | February 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
They want four more years of Hell.
49. Posted by Teresa Heinz-Kerry | February 15, 2008 6:24 PM |
Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 18:24
50. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 11:04 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Matthew, let me set you straight on something. I'm the director of a small non-profit agency. I'm in my mid 40's I make less than 30K a year. I could make a whole lot more--I have had better jobs and could easily get one again. For that matter my board of directors would pay me more, but I rather that money go to expand our agencies abilities. And I really love what I'm doing. I live cheap. I don't live an extravagant life like a Democrat lawyer, journalist, entertainer, or educator, but I could. I choose not to because of the "intrinsic rewards" of my job.
And I know "those weaker than ourselves" on a level you could not begin to comprehend. I am in their neighborhoods (a.k.a. "the Great Society") and in their homes daily. I can give first hand testimony to the fact that while the Republicans don't always do the best for the poor, they are orders of magnitude better then anything the Democrats. It would take a while to go into it in this but let me try to explain it to you like this.
There's an old saying: "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life."
At the core of pretty much everything the socialist Democrats attempt to do to "help" the poor is giving them fish. The Republicans want to teach them to fish.
That's way oversimplified, but if you actually had an open mind and want to learn something about a part of the rest of reality to which you obviously not been exposed, please, please read this. When I read that book I thought, "My God! This is my life! I could have written this book."
And Matthew, and the rest of you leftists and "independents" who may have been offended, I'm sorry you were offended when I pulled out the "C" word. Not sorry I said it, it's just plain sorry that it offends you. (The Democrats like Durban always leave that last part off, but it's implied). I know how much all of you hate the truth of that word. Most, like Mantis and JFO, respond with infantile taunts as the Party recommends, but I have to commend you on at least trying for a bit, your arguments weren't strong but you tried, before you resorted to the same thing:
"maybe you're just completely crazy. When you're the guy with the sandwich board with biblical passages written all over it telling anyone who will listen what is wrong with the world, it's hard to take you seriously."
But I know how you all hate that "C" word. So I'll try and use those secret code words like "liberal" and "progressive". (Well prolly not.)
And the 18% is not a fact, just my guesstimate, but I base it on real numbers. In the 2004 election 48.3% of the voters marked Kerry on their ballots. Exit polls showed that only 38% of those votes were actually for Kerry- 72% were against President Bush.
48.3 x 0.38 = 18 (point something)
Lastly, we'll see what the "majority" is in November--right now even in the most biased push polls no one gets more than 47% and I believe BO and Bill's wife are maxed out. But I could be wrong- we'll see. In any case your favorite "progressive", "liberal" candidate will not get 55% (well barring some extraordinary event).
50. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 15, 2008 11:04 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on February 15, 2008 23:04
51. Posted by Ryan | February 16, 2008 3:39 AM | Score: -2 (2 votes cast)
Bunyan, I find it offensive that you spout your bullshit under the name of an American hero, albeit a fictitous one. Change your post name to something more appropriate like, "feces eater" or "I hate America."
51. Posted by Ryan | February 16, 2008 3:39 AM |
Score: -2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on February 16, 2008 03:39
52. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 16, 2008 8:34 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Um, that's called "projection" Ryan.
But thanks for helping to prove I'm right by also failing to proved any form of rebuttal and instead supplying more childish invective as the Party commands you.
52. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 16, 2008 8:34 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on February 16, 2008 08:34
53. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 16, 2008 9:15 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
By the way, I'm a not unlike Paul Bunyan.
Paul would have hated communism as much as I do. He would have been appalled, as I am, to see the pure socialists (or "liberals, or "progressives" if you must) take over a major political party, 100% of the broad cast networks, most major newspapers, most of the entertainment industry, the educational system, and most of the judicial system in this country.
Paul didn't sit on his porch all day and just wait around for his monthly gummint check. He didn't threaten to make sure no lumber mill in the country would get a single tree unless they agreed to pay substantially more than the fair market value for those trees and have to pay a set price regardless of the quality of that tree. He did not go around making obscene profits from the misfortunes of others. He did not make piles of money because his was pleasant on the eye and could repeat things others tell him to say and be able to fake emotions on cue. Yes, he did tell some tall tales--he did not however, use them to manipulate the masses by taking control of the media and the educational and entertainment systems.
Nope, Paul believed in an honest days pay for an honest days work so he was a lot more like me than you Democrats.
Plus, I've logged a whole lotta trees over the years and I'm usually wearing flannel.
53. Posted by P. Bunyan | February 16, 2008 9:15 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on February 16, 2008 09:15