That is effing disgusting. Bet barney is doing a web search now on where to get one.

My jaw is on the ground. These people ....I dont even known what to say.

So it is anti American to protest against the Bush unlawful policy of practicing torture? I guess Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, is as anti American as it gets, because this is what he said about it:
Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) asked, "General, do you believe that waterboarding is consistent with Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions?"

After pausing a moment to think, Maples replied, "No, sir, I don't."

"Do you think it's humane?" Levin asked.

"No, sir, I think it would go beyond that bound."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/army_official_yes_waterboardin.php

Come on Cassy, start ripping into the General. He is obviously a terrorist lover.

I guess my short list isn't long enough.
Is it possible a list will be compiled
of these terror enablers?
Not that it matters as I don't do movie
going.

We could have avoided all of this trouble by doing the one thing the Geneva Convention allows for when fighting an insurgency - Kill them on the battlefield. A well placed bullet in their brainpan and there wouldn't be any controversey.

Pathological sympathizing.

Oops - Sorry - There is one thing you must do after you have put the bullet in their brain - clean up the mess. Don't want anybody claiming you have been littering or anything as heinous as that. After all, green is good!

Hollywood shows contempt for America and American values because the entertainment industry is no longer an American institution. In the past, members of the Hollywood establiment could be counted upon by Americans for moral and spiritual support in war and in tragedy. No more. Hollywood has received prominence and prosperity from the American fan, given little of creative merit in return, and now hold those who exalted them in contempt. Socialist, America-hating elitism is, again, the fashion of the year on the left coast. ssdd

So it is anti American to protest against the Bush unlawful policy of practicing torture?

I guess you were never a Navy SEAL, huh Barney.

Is Cassy like 14? Does she get her info strictly from Hannity?

Don't suppose any of you saw the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side?"
Just won an Oscar for best documentary.

Have you read Colonel Morris Davis accounts of problems at Gitmo? Did you know he resigned in protest. Do you know how many of our guys were court-marshalled and sent to prison for abuses at Bhagram and Abu Ghraib?

You guys don't have a clue what's going on down there.

It's the 14 year old mentality of "America as the big benign helpful friendly giant."

Wake up.

Where is 'down there'?
Funny you post questions, and instead of
waiting for timely answers, you answer
immediately your own questions just posted.
And what does that prove?
To my eye, you're not interested in answers,
just the justification of your own
superciliousness. IMHO, of course.

Was I right or was I right, barney, right on cue. barney, there is a big difference between the General talking about his aversion to waterboarding, and actively supporting the terrorist detainees while at the same time bashing the US and it's soldiers. You are such a frigging idiot.

"You guys don't have a clue what's going on down there."

But dr. lava does...based on a documentary!! HAAAAhahahahaha!!

Why doesn't the Pentagon start an "Adopt a(n) Terrorist Detainee" program and send all of those with the orange lapel pins a new friend to take care of. I'm sure that after they sit down and talk and get to know each other better the "Detainee" surely won't try to cut their head off.

"Don't suppose any of you saw the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side?"
Just won an Oscar for best documentary"

Judging by the fact that it grossed about $100K, I would say that NOBODY saw "Taxi to the dark side." Documentaries are funny things. When t hey tell us things that we already believe and reinforces our own views, they are great. When they slam America or the Right, they win Oscars, even if the Academy voters have never seen the film.

"..actively supporting the terrorist detainees while at the same time bashing the US and it's soldiers." dhoggs

Where does it say that in the source story (Washington Post)? It doesn't. This is about the US using torture on detainees. I know you guys are all for torture and breaking US laws and treaties, but some of care about human rights and take war crimes seriously.

From my perspective, it's pretty hard to feel bad for people that we picked up and detained on a battlefield. These are the same people that were throwing human waste at the guards down in gitmo. The geneva convention does not protect unlawful enemy combatants.

From all accounts, i've heard that they get some pretty lavish surroundings down in gitmo. Nothing like the 50 lashings and the woodchips under the fingernails, or the cutting off of limbs that their country of origin would provide.

Rough interrogation and waterboarding aren't exactly used just because people down there are sadistic freaks. Maybe, just maybe (stay with me here barney) it's actually information we are gathering from these people?

Personally i could give a rats ass if the people who are trying to kill americans just for being american are being tortured in gitmo. But the fact remains that they aren't being tortured and they are actually provided better surroundings than our actual prisoners here in the states.

The bottom line is that these people need to stay out of our borders (lest they be introduced into our courts) and held indefinitely until we can decide what to do with them.

Like I said, i don't feel sorry for people that want to kill Americans just because they are Americans. How the left in this country can feel sorry for a group of people that would hack off their heads with a dull sword at the slightest chance is beyond me.

I know you guys are all for torture and breaking US laws and treaties, but some of care about human rights and take war crimes seriously.

Barney,
This is where you're ignorant cookie-cutter idea of a right winger leads you astray. First off where's the actual hard proof that we've violated any laws, treaties, or anything else? If we had the Dems in congress as well as Dems in general would actually have a leg to stand on. Instead we just hear your endless capitulating and bemoaning of the fact that we take prisoners for interrogation.

As for "some of us take human rights and take war crimes seriously", What war crimes? Where is the proof? Link to some lefty web site for me ok? And to put the "Human Rights" of the scum that we have down in Gitmo above the Human Rights of the American people is just flat out stupid. Who cares if we have another attack on our soil, as long as those 3rd world imbeciles that have hate and murder ingrained in their minds aren't detained and asked questions in a rough manner. We sure wouldn't want that now would we barney?

To place these people in gitmo on a pedastal and think you are standing for human rights is the highest form of ignorance i've witnessed in my lifetime.

"I guess you were never a Navy SEAL, huh Barney."

No, but he's always been partial to seamen on the poop deck.

Hey, I'm bawling my eyes out for Khalid Sheik Mohammad for that 30 seconds of waterboarding he had to withstand before he sold all his terrorist friends down the river. The physical scars from such intense trauma may take years to heal.

My biggest fear is that he didn't have to stand too long in one place or listen to any loud music. All cultural differences aside, today's music sucks.

but some of care about human rights and take war crimes seriously.

What human rights, Barney?

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/049679.php

Go ahead; lecture us on how the Gitmo detainees suffered like these people. Lecture us on Nick Berg.

Where are the pretty ribbons for these people? Think they would trade a day in Gitmo for the fate that became them?

I've brought this point up on Wizbang countless times: show me a liberal Democrat that has the will to fight an enemy like this. Oh, wait. There was one. He understood the enemy. He knew the enemy. And he slaughtered them daily by the thousands. His name was Roosevelt.

Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.

Davidd, Wasn't the Japanese officer just protecting his homeland from attack? In WWII waterboarding was a war crime. It is still a war crime today as I pointed out in #3:
Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) asked, "General, do you believe that waterboarding is consistent with Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions?"

After pausing a moment to think, Maples replied, "No, sir, I don't."

"Do you think it's humane?" Levin asked.

"No, sir, I think it would go beyond that bound."

You guys don't have a clue what's going on down there.

Oh? And you do?

I suppose you might suggest korans being flushed down the toilet? If there's so much going on, how come so much needs to be fabricated? Just asking.

Barney is a propagandist for the terrorists pure and simple. Barney has no qualms about smearing America and our military. The democratic party and the left is officially acting as a propaganda arm for the terrorists. These leftist propagandists openly announce that they would rather see millions of American killed. At the same time, they have nothing to say about Nick Berg, AlQ cooking children to intimidate parents, AlQ using retarded women to blow up people. The left, esp Hollywood left, doesn't show any outrage at all. Their actions and rhetoric show their true agenda of "killing babies, not terrorists". Just look at Barney 's posts. He is more excited about smearing the US with "torture" than talking about AlQ atrocities.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/democrats-vote-to-ban-waterboarding.html

The US has admitted to waterboarding high level terrorists on 3 different occasions since 2001. Code Pink has waterboarded more members than the US military during that same period.

Thousands of US lives were saved from the information gathered during these coerced interrogations. One terrorist gave up information that involved an airline attack on the tallest building in Los Angeles, known as the Library Tower.

Lava got his view of America from places where America is more feared than AlQuaeda.

Since Barney is asking for it, so I obliged. The Dem congress is SO DESPICABLE for playing politics with our general and national security.

Can liberals give us an honest answer this question: Liberals would absolutely ban waterboarding even of known top terrorists at the risk of losing thousands/millions of American lives?

This is a good campaign commercial: we liberal democrats would ban waterboarding of high profile terrorists even it means losing millions of lives. We will proudly give maximum protection to these terrorists while denying medical care to surviving aborted babies.

BTW, it is interesting to note that liberals don't consider denying medical care to surviving aborted babies as torture. Surviving an abortion is much more painful and traumatic than waterboarding. Yet liberals have no qualm about this type of torture.

This is about the US using torture on detainees. -- BarneyG2000

"We have to work the dark side, if you will." -- Dick Cheney, Sept. 2001

This is about the US using torture on detainees. -- BarneyG2000

"We have to work the dark side, if you will." -- Dick Cheney, Sept. 2001
-------------------------------------
What torture? we didn't deny the detainees medical care, did we? Oh, I see. You are trying to project your dark side. Liberals have no qualm about torturing surviving aborted babies. And the dark side of their liberal agenda is "killing babies, not terrorists".

Congrats Baghdad barney... I think you've hit a high water mark in negative votes in this thread.

Well done.

Asshat.

Taxi to the Dark Side tells the story of Dilawar, a 122-pound Afghan taxi driver who was detained, tortured, and beaten to death by American forces. His death was ruled a homicide by Army coroners.

The Afghan man who arrested Dilawar, Jan Baz, was determined by investigators to have attacked American Firebase Salerno himself and rounded up innocents to turn over in efforts to ingratiate himself to American forces. Jan Baz was himself detained on these suspicions.

Such is the case with many detained in Afghanistan and sent to Guantanamo. We paid for suspects there, and accepted the allegations of those who were profiting by turning over detainees.

Dilawar was believed to be innocent by his interrogators, but they beat him to death anyway (on orders, of course). One of the soldiers was sentenced to two months in military prison, and another two were convicted but served no time.

This is not how you spread democracy and freedom around the world.

BarneyG 2000 strikes again:

Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian.

Pssst! Hey, Barney! See that magic word, "civilian"? He wasn't a member of the U.S. military. And he certainly wasn't an illegal combatant. Abuse of a civilian prisoner of war is a war crime.

The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

I believe that you and/or your apparent source (the good old New York Times) are seriously misstating the facts. One of the POWs was tortured with water by strapping him to a tilted stretcher and pouring water into his nostrils; others were water-tortured by other methods. But the prisoners were subjected to other, more severe abuses. The charge and specifications against Asano were:

Charge: That between 1 April, 1943 and 31 August, 1944, at Fukoka Prisoner of War Branch Camp Number 3, Kyushu, Japan, the accused Yukio Asana, then a civilian serving as an interpreter with the Armed Forces of Japan, a nation then at war with the United States of America and its Allies, did violate the Laws and Customs of War.

Specification 1: That in or about July or August, 1943, the accused Yukio Asano, did willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and torture Morris O. Killough, an American Prisoner of War, by beating and kicking him; by fastening him on a stretcher and pouring water up his nostrils.

Specification 2: That on or about 15 May, 1944, at Fukoka Prisoner of War Branch Camp Number 3, Kyushu, Japan, the accused Yukio Asano, did, willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and torture Thomas B. Armitage, William O Cash and Munroe Dave Woodall, American Prisoners of War by beating and kicking them, by forcing water into their mouths and noses; and by pressing lighted cigarettes against their bodies.

United States of America v. Hideji Nakamura, Yukio Asano, Seitara Hata, and Takeo Kita, U.S. Military Commission, Yokohama, 1-28 May, 1947. NARA Records, NND 735027

I believe that I have read (although I have not yet located a source) that several prisoners had water forced into their mouths with a hose. From there, of course, it went into their lungs and stomachs.

Continuing:

... American prisoner Woodall ... had stolen a shirt from the Japanese..was stretched and tied on a hospital stretcher and severely beaten. He was turned upside down and water poured up his nose and beaten into unconsciousness. The treatment lasted for about four hours.

... William Cash ... was given the identical treatment for the same offense.

Got that, Barney? Do you really think that "stretched and tied on a hospital stretcher and severely beaten ... turned upside down and water poured up his nose and beaten into unconsciousness ... for about four hours" is a meaningful, accurate description of what the U.S. has done?

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.

Good old Teddy, living down to his reputation for a certain level of honesty and integrity. Saying that we sentenced people to fifteen years of hard labor for waterboarding is like saying that Al Capone was an outlaw solely because he cheated on his taxes.

Yukio Asano was charged with and convicted of war crimes for mistreating Prisoners of War (which the internees at Guantanamo are not) in multiple ways: subjecting them to water torture (not called "waterboarding" in the indictment, and not what we do), and strapping them to a stretcher head downward. In addition, Asano was charged with and convicted of beating POWs using hands, fists, and club, kicking them, and burning them with cigarettes. He also stole Red Cross packages and supplies intended for POWs. For all of these acts, on multiple people, he was sentenced to fifteen years.

Davidd, Wasn't the Japanese officer just protecting his homeland from attack? In WWII waterboarding was a war crime.

Bullshit.

The left doesn't know and never did know what to do about anything. They are like children. They know what they don't want but cannot think how to achieve any goals or properly put together and execute a plan. That is why the left is so loose with the facts. They actual think it is proper to just use pieces of information for their argument but not the context. Lefties bore me. ww

"If that's how they feel, there's nothing keeping them here."

Hey Cassy, that goes for you too. If we've descended this far and are truly becoming the Great Satan, feel free to leave. I'm sure there are plenty of countries that would always welcome a few more "good Germans" to look the other way as the government tortures and generally removes and remakes its founding principles.

Groucho, your inane, stupid rhetoric doesn't deserve a thoughtful response. Go away you little pest.

The terrorists are still on the run but still pose a threat to us. Oil is going up. Economy is slowing down. Time to turn to the democratic leadership for answers: Oh, wait, they're busy. They want to find out if Clemons took steroids. Golly what losers. ww

Just boycot all those oscar winning movies and clebeberties and directors and hit them where it will hurt them the most right in their bank accounts I mean these award shows are all rigged anyway