« What if they hold an election and no one votes | Main | The Privileged Class »

Obama's preacher - in his own words

Senator Barack Obama's controversial church and its controversial pastor are mentioned from time to time. Now the Big Media is beginning to take notice, as in this report from ABC News' Brian Ross:



Obama is going to be called upon again and again to explain things like the award bestowed on Louis Farrakhan, "G*d d*mn America!", "the US of KKK-a," and blaming America for 9/11. His weak non-denials, as when he "rejected" Farrakhan's anti-semitic words (but not his support), will not suffice any longer.

UPDATE: Fox News also bought the videos from the church, and found more interesting clips:


It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama's upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

"Hillary ain't never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."


Read the rest at the link provided.


TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
/cgi-bin/mt-tb.cgi/28478.

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Obama's preacher - in his own words:

» Anne Arundel Maryland Politics - aapolitics.us linked with Barack Obama roundup Controversial Pastor Jeremiah Wright

Comments (76)

This needs to be explained.... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

This needs to be explained. The way I see it is that this racist preacher is the reason Michell O. is not proud of this country as is Barrack. This is shameful.

Imaging if McCain went to Bob Jones University or CBN or Jerry Falwell's school. Imagine the MSM's reaction. The left should demand he explain his beliefs and distance himself from this racist. ww

This looks like a parody, i... (Below threshold)
Pretzel_Logic:

This looks like a parody, it's that scary. I heard today that this guy is on BHO's staff now. Let's see if more of the drive-by's will pick it up.

"The left should demand he ... (Below threshold)
Pretzel_Logic:

"The left should demand he explain his beliefs and distance himself from this racist. ww"

A little late for that.

Well, well, well...By ABC n... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Well, well, well...By ABC no less.

I stopped at "God damn Amer... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I stopped at "God damn America." Only God has the power to "damn" anything.*

*Though I freely admit to using the phrase too often myself, and thus receive the evil eye from the Mrs. F. Then again, I'm not a Man of God, either. A Man of God in this case (cough, cough)should know better.

Gee, I wonder where Obama got his cheap empty-suited and sometimes bombastic rhetoric from? Couldn't be from....

Don't they know it's racist... (Below threshold)

Don't they know it's racist to bring stuff like this up?

God is fall gonna be fun!</... (Below threshold)

God is fall gonna be fun!

What's that sound? Oh yes,... (Below threshold)
Jo:

What's that sound? Oh yes, it's the oven timer buzzing. Obama is done.

P.S. This stuff is just be... (Below threshold)
Jo:

P.S. This stuff is just begging to be used for parody on SNL. Please guys, do it.

Obama is done.------... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Obama is done.
-----------------
Jo, not quite sure. This hate-America, hate-Israel rhetoric resonates with the radical left. Maybe that 's the real reason why liberals support Obama. Unless they are really naive, the liberals know deep down that all the talk about "hope" and "change" is simply propaganda to fool people. The true reason for liberals' support of Obama may be this anti-America and anti-Israel ideology.

Judging by this loser B.H.O... (Below threshold)
treewrestler:

Judging by this loser B.H.O. has a lot more to worry about than the presidency, if these are the misguided teachings he has been studying and living by for the past twenty years I dont think people realise the "new direction" he wants to lead us on. Its a shame the government has become so politicaly correct they wont call this A-hole Wright,s political movement what it really is (not a church of God) and at the least pull his tax exempt status, for B.H.O. to sit through this brain washing week after week in apparent agreement,(without distancing himself from this nut) and then seek the White House is unacceptable to any real American (black or white).

Can you suspect who is driv... (Below threshold)
sam:

Can you suspect who is driving this "vetting"? Does anybody doubt that this type of investigation will be the daily norm from now through the PA primary?

Go Hillary!

Sam, does it really matter ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Sam, does it really matter who vetted this information. Nobody put words in Wrights mouth. He spoke them loud and often. When one listens to Michele Obama speak, do you not hear the voice of Wright? Looks like we will not have to ridicule B. Hussein Obama's ears after all.

This guy preaching h... (Below threshold)
andrew:


This guy preaching hatred towards whites is not just Obama's preacher, he is his MENTOR, and has been for 20 YEARS.

Think America.

This hate mongerer mentor is where Obama gets his ideas. Obamas book, the Audacity of Hope, came from the hate preacher.

Perhaps the book should be called, The Audacity of Barack Obama.

Sam, I dont think Hillary w... (Below threshold)
treewrestler:

Sam, I dont think Hillary would get anywhere near this, maybe Rush and his crew? but you (are) known by the company you keep. The best B.H.O. can do is publicly disassociate himself with this type of radical anti-American propaganda. If any other U.S.A. presidential candidate associated with known, documented, anti-American race baiters, and did not disavow them their loyalties whould be equally questioned "I didnt think it could be that bad untill I saw it for myself"

Baracq Earbama is finished.... (Below threshold)
914:

Baracq Earbama is finished.. nice job preach.

ZR and TW: Don't get me wr... (Below threshold)
sam:

ZR and TW: Don't get me wrong, I am loving the Dem in-fighting going on. I am just trying to understand how, all of a sudden, this thing pops up.

It is one prong of a well-designed strategy of the Hillary campaign. Between now and the PA primary, she is preparing to dismantle Obama piece by piece. First, she used Ferraro to gin up the race issue, with the obvious motivation of driving up her margins among white voters. Second, she is going to tie Obama with his church and his pastor. As Mickey Kaus in Slate points out, she is going for the "Jessie-fication of Obama".

I think Sam has a point. Fe... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

I think Sam has a point. Ferraro baited Obama to condemn her and demand an apology from Hillary. Now what is Obama going to say about his pastor and mentor for 20 years? Why is he willing to subject his wife and kids to this hate-filled preaching for all these years?

Strong words, sure, but he'... (Below threshold)
cbendersf:

Strong words, sure, but he's telling it like it is. America has some shitty things about it, just like any other country. I think this will cost Obama the nomination if he doesn't do something drastic about it and soon, like join a different church. How ironic this came from a christian church and not a "madrassa" or mosque.

America has some shitty thi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

America has some shitty things about it, just like any other country.
------------------------------------
Is this another attempt at moral equivalency to equate America to North Korea or the old Soviet Union?

I think this will cost Obam... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

I think this will cost Obama the nomination if he doesn't do something drastic about it and soon, like join a different church.
------------------------------------
It is too late and too opportunistic (ie dishonest) at this time.

BTW, how can you talk about... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

BTW, how can you talk about healing and unity when you are willing to associate with this hate-filled preaching and division for 20 years? Liberals know deep down that "hope" and "change" are simply propaganda to fool the naive/uninformed. Liberals supported Obama probably because of this anti-American ideology and his extremist liberal agenda.

I agree it is pretty shitty... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I agree it is pretty shitty when someone who has literally not managerial experience and very little government experience. Gets a free pass from the media, so far, and has lived on the empty promise of change and hope with no definition of what to change or hope for, gets to run for President. What a rotten country where you can come to, gain freedom most of the world can only dream about, gain wealth or what ever one desires all based on ones own efforts. Sounds pretty shitty to me. I am sure the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, East Germany, Cuba et al, were or are much better places to raise ones children. If it were not for the United States of America, you would be speaking German and saluting a swaztika.

America has some... (Below threshold)
Maggie:
America has some shitty things about it , just like any other country. ------------------------------------ Is this another attempt at moral equivalency to equate America to North Korea or the old Soviet Union?

20. Posted by LoveAmerica, Immigrant

Tsk...tsk...he tried mightily to cya with a
comma
/sarcasm

Fortunately Reverend Wright... (Below threshold)

Fortunately Reverend Wright retired last month so I don't think this story will have any legs.

Fortunately Reverend Wright... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Fortunately Reverend Wright retired last month so I don't think this story will have any legs.
------------------------------------
The Reverend Wright announced his retirement from the church, and it will not become effective until May of 2008. He's not gone yet. He's still there at the church, and he's still on the Obama campaign. He held his last sermon Sunday, February 10th. He will be on sabbatical leave from the church from March until May 'cause that's when he's on the Obama campaign.
And yeah, Obama only drink this hate-filled Kool-Aid until Feb 2008! Another Obama 's supporter, oops, worshipper, cannot accept the truth.

Why don't you all face it. ... (Below threshold)
regina reynolds:

Why don't you all face it. Our country, the country we love, has done some pretty horrendous things and we always downplay these events. What we did to the American Indian was apartide. What we did in Latin American and are doing now in Columbia is terrible. Remeber how we treated the Japanese Americans? I am an American,a white female of immigrant parents, a mother, and I love this country because it is the only country I know. I feel extremely lucky to be born here. We are a wealthy nation. But this preacher is correct, we do all kinds of terrible things and make up history to color them pretty while we critize others. In the mean time we were the last major nation at the time to do away with salary. We are one of the only industrialize countries that still has the death penality. We put leaders in power that later kill their own. We are often driven by wealth and greed. Many of our citizens do not know what their country does and doesn't care to know. Before this election, the majority of people didn't even vote. If I grew up Black, I believe that I would really understand what this preacher was talking about. Face it, we have been unfair to our Black Brothers and Sisters. We have been down right awful. So open your eyes and love this country enough to see its problems ans work to change them, not just hide your head in the sand.

Fortunately Reverend ... (Below threshold)

Fortunately Reverend Wright retired last month so I don't think this story will have any legs.

Larkin, that is the epitome of magical thinking on this particular issue. But there is a silver lining in this for you. It will be a Democrat that eviscerates your candidate with this, not a Republican.

I warned you a few weeks ago that when Maggie Williams joined the campaign as Chief it was the Obama Meet Your Mama Moment. Well, that time has arrived.


Regina, for all the faults ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Regina, for all the faults of this nation, name one in the world that has done as much for others and asked so little in return. We saved Europe, no, the whole world from Fascism. We opposed world communism and the expansion of the Soviet Union. No nation on earth is without fault. Look at the history of Europe if you want to feel good about America. Who was the last American Dictator. Where are the extermination camps. Who attacked whom December 7, 1941? If you do not like it here, go somewhere else. I am sick to death of people who live in the best place on earth to live who do nothing but degrade it. The only land we ask of those nations we have conquered is the space to bury our dead. I don't know who lied to you about Amercan history, but just compare this nation to any other before you damn with faint praise.

Regina, Is this a j... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Regina,
Is this a joke? Obama and Michelle are in the top 1% in this country? They have led a life that many of us can only dream of! For them to continue to enjoy the freedom and prosperity this country offered to them while willingly drinking this hate-filled rhetoric and division is HYPOCRISY at best.
Do you know that America saved the world from WW 1 & 2? Do you know that America saved the world from communism? Do you know that America ended slavery with its own blood? Do you know that America saved the world from colonialism? Japanese Americans got interned. Do you know what they do to dissidents in communist countries in Latin America and around the world? Show me a better country than America. Many American did charity work around the world with the risk to their own lives. America is giving a lot to charities on their own. For whatever reasons, you don't know these things. America has given blood and treasure to bring freedom and prosperity to the most number of people on earth (in the history of mankind)
We had a long discussion on death penalty already. I can explain to you some other time.

This pastor is promoting racial hate and division. He refused to acknowledge any progress that has been made in America in terms of race and gender. I don't know how one can defend this bigotry.

BTWm here is more info on O... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

BTWm here is more info on Obama 's view
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obama_and_israel.html

Also this is the "change" that Obama "hopes" to bring to Washington. So if you want to support Obama, let 's be honest about the reason (hating Bush, loving his liberal agenda of "killing babies/disabled, not terrorist" big gov ...). Let 's not bring up the craps about "hope", "change", "new politics" etc ... People are informed here.


One of Obama's Earmarks Went to Hospital That Employs Michelle Obama

wright killed obama<... (Below threshold)
sam:

wright killed obama

ReginaIn the... (Below threshold)

Regina

In the mean time we were the last major nation at the time to do away with salary (sic?).

Not quite correct, but the liberals are working on it :)

Our country, the country we love, has done some pretty horrendous things and we always downplay these events.

Regina, have you been on a college campus in the past forty years? These horrendous things are the core curriculum.

We put leaders in power that later kill their own.

Hmmm? Some names would help.

We are often driven by wealth and greed.

Yes, Adam Smith would agree to that in some respect, but somehow I think his reasoning would escape you.

Many of our citizens do not know what their country does and doesn't care to know.

Agreed.

Face it, we have been unfair to our Black Brothers and Sisters. We have been down right awful. So open your eyes and love this country enough to see its problems ans work to change them, not just hide your head in the sand.

Agreed, I think. Let's start with the Liberal Plantation that has enslaved blacks long after Lincoln signed the Emancipation. Let's put the Public school program under that microscope in every city and county and find out who is holding these youg people back.

Regina, before you throw our country under the bus, you need to gain some perspective. I suggest you intensively study Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro and other scourges of the 20th Century to understand what THIS country has done for oppressed people everywhere.


mr. wright is like a black ... (Below threshold)
sam:

mr. wright is like a black kkk grand dragon that barack obama has been hanging out with in the "so called church" for 20 years. i think birds of a feather flock together...........both racists. so it's hellory now i guess. where is bill richardson when we need him?????

I think Regina is right! it... (Below threshold)
treewrestler:

I think Regina is right! it is all her fault, her and people with guilt complexes like her she needs to join and start titheing to this nutball church so that under priveledged people (like Obama and Michelle) can afford to eat. P.S: being the strongest nation on earth comes with certain responsibilities like it or not, every other would gladly trade places with the U.S.A.

anyway, wright is as ugly a... (Below threshold)
sam:

anyway, wright is as ugly as satans asshole.

i didn't mean to be vulgar ... (Below threshold)
sam:

i didn't mean to be vulgar but this guy is a hate machine from hell.

ditto, Sam and back to Reg... (Below threshold)
treewrestler:

ditto, Sam and back to Regina, as far as Im concerned I only owe black people like Wright two things and thats, jack and shit.

Beyond the obvious racism, ... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Beyond the obvious racism, why would two VERY well-educated adults want to listen to someone who purposely talks like an uneducated gang banger?

"Hillary ain't never been c... (Below threshold)
Jessie:

"Hillary ain't never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person." In conferences we have never referred to anyone as as non-person; however, if anyone is a non-person it is the American Indian. Whenever Americans talke about race it is either black or white. Hey! The Indians were here before we were. The rest of us are non-people, no mattter our color. Get a grip "Reverend".

why would two VERY we... (Below threshold)

why would two VERY well-educated adults want to listen to someone who purposely talks like an uneducated gang banger?....because they are in the business of politics and have to cover ALL the bases. That, at a minimum, would be the RealPolitik answer.

"In the mean time we were t... (Below threshold)
Jessie:

"In the mean time we were the last major nation at the time to do away with salary." Honey slavary has never been abolished. There are many places in this world that continue to practice slavery. What about the people in third world countries who take young girls and boys from their parents because the parents owe money or need money and put them into slavary (sex slavary is the worst).

Obama may be another case o... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Obama may be another case of a hero/icon (eg. Spitzer, Clinton) enabled by the liberal left. The facts would not get into the way of his liberal followers in any case!

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2008/03/13/rezko-obama-beyond-guilt-by-association/

But Obama's problem is that he has so many friends and associates where "guilt by association" is the explanation given by his campaign that one begins to wonder when we can declare the candidate just plain "guilty" of using horrendous judgment and question whether his connection to some of these characters actually goes beyond innocence of wrongdoing.

WILLIAM AYERS, TERRORIST

REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT

TONY REZKO & ASSOCIATES

Obama joined this organizat... (Below threshold)
treewrestler:

Obama joined this organization/church of his own free will, over twenty years ago. To me this is not that far removed from David Dukes involvement with another of these types of organizations. If this is considered a normal and common sermon in today's black churches than they really arent any different from yesterday's KKK. Buy the way David Duke did renounce that organization. (guilt by association) if your part of the association then your guilty. No wonder so many blacks these days have a chip on their shoulder, they go to their rallies every sunday and wednsday.

How great is it that RACE a... (Below threshold)

How great is it that RACE and RELIGION are joined in this massive bilious fireball aimed directly at the first (partially) black man who, coincidentally, is demonstrably and woefully unqualified for the job.

For years, Americans have had the luxury of discussing "religion in politics" on a largely theoretical level (having so easily passed through the crucible of Kennedy's Catholicism) -- and now the debate isn't just about religion, it's about real, contemptible race-mongering in the guise of a preacher's words.

MSM might be inclined to give BO a pass on this crap, but the voters won't.

This really does stack up to be the Greatest Show on Earth.

Love America, thanks for do... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Love America, thanks for doing the heavy lifting on this one. Regina is just ignorant of facts and suffers from guilt because she is free and has many opportunities, thus the left's american hating, self loathing syndrome I have mentioned many times before.

Are we as a nation perfect? No, never will be. Are we ever going to be? No. ww

WildWillie -The th... (Below threshold)

WildWillie -

The thing is, folks like Regina look at yesterday's actions and wallow in the guilt. They don't see that we learn from our mistakes, and try not to repeat them - instead, that mistake is as fresh and relevant TO THEM as if it were happening right NOW. EVERYTHING that was done wrong in the past is happening NOW to them.

No, it doesn't make sense - but it's the way it seems to be seen.

If we do not learn from history, but instead obsess over it, we WILL repeat the excesses of past generations. And one of the best ways to ensure we don't learn is to get people to ignore the past by screaming it at them every chance you get.

Sometimes a whisper gets more attention than a shout.

"Hearing Mr. Wright's venom... (Below threshold)
SG:

"Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright."

Newsmax

There is no apology necessa... (Below threshold)
Denis Klein:

There is no apology necessary - You vote! Do you want a president who spent 20 plus years in this Church? Wright is a racist and Obama blindly followed....Obama pretends to be poor, meanwhile his family w2ed over 950K last year..Hillary, on the other hand, does not even know the name of Putin's successor..she whines during debates and cries on the campaign trail. Do you really want to vote for her? My goodness, McCain is the clear choice - wake-up people!!

Deport him to cuba im sure ... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

Deport him to cuba im sure castro would enjoy the company of this miserble pond scum

Anyone who has posted a com... (Below threshold)
sans défaut:

Anyone who has posted a comment supporting the preacher's stance against America should reconsider. Listen to some of the man's other sermons. He preaches that the American government created AIDs to use in genocide against Black Americans, among other things. Before you support him, you should know what else he is saying. It is shocking to me that hate speech such as this is still present and supported in today's society. Equally disgusting, but not entirely shocking, is the fact that this story has gotten so little coverage. This clearly shows the liberal media's bias in support of Obama.

Wow... I'd heard that there... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Wow... I'd heard that there were black racists before but to get a gold plated example like this is amazing.

Whats priceless is that the leading Democrat candidate has been a member of his congregation for 20 + years.

Rev. Wright, you are a blas... (Below threshold)
John:

Rev. Wright, you are a blasphemer. Thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord God in vain
Repent O'yee sinner.

What just drives me crazy i... (Below threshold)
R. C.:

What just drives me crazy is this. We are supposed to have a separation of church and state in this country. Since when should all of these religious leaders start having ANY influence in American politics. Shame on them, shame on us all for allowing this to happen. Look around the world, and back through history, where religion has merged with political systems. All of them eventually end up greatly restricting freedoms and become narrow minded. Do we want some version of theocracy in the US? I think not. Preachers - stay in your house and out of the White House!

i agree with regina, we NUK... (Below threshold)
tim:

i agree with regina, we NUKED japan and when he says that we kinda deserved it, i dont completely disagree, even though i think it was absolutely horrible

TimReading up on som... (Below threshold)
Maggie:

Tim
Reading up on some pre-war and WW2 history
might do you some good.
First Japan was not NUKED, nuclear bombs were
not used.
The two atom bombs the U.S. owned were dropped.
There's a chance you would not be here,
if your father or grandfather served during the war.
Because the decision was to either either invade Japan, or drop the bombs.
The estimated loss of life for an invasion would have been more than a million.

This so called preacher is... (Below threshold)
Harry Canterbury:

This so called preacher is one of the most ignorant men I have ever seen. He needs to move back to his beloved Africa and see just how great it is over there.As far as Obama goes I doudt if anything happens. The lines are drawn in the sand. Blacks and extreme liberals will vote for obama. And blue collar whites and moderates will vote for Hillary. And hopefully real Americans will vote for McCain if they care about the future of this country.

All those at his church sho... (Below threshold)
Spurwing Plover:

All those at his church should just walk right out when he starts his antiamerican ranting leave him ranting in a very empty church

The liberal left has succee... (Below threshold)
an American Soldier:

The liberal left has succeeded in doing what George Orwell predicted in the book 1984. (Read it)

Some of you people are so ignorant of the true history of this nation that you simply blurt out propaganda that is spoon fed to you: you are mindless sheep. Pick up a couple of history books that were written before the mass liberal "cleansing" of American history.
This nation was founded at time when the whole world had different moral standards; we at the time were Europeans with their norms and values. Those who founded us risked death for them and their families from the King of England, because they wanted democracy and freedom for all. Who among you have what it takes to risk all for what you believe.

A seed was planted and a nation began to evolve and grow and now this nation has blazed its way in to the modern world setting increasing standards for what is right and wrong. We are not perfect; no nation has ever been nor ever will be. We can only try to reach perfection which is unreachable by mankind. We can't take back what was done in our past, nor can any of us look at that time through the eyes of those who lived in those times. We did not invent slavery; it was around long before the pyramids were built more than 5000 years ago, we did abolish it in our new nation. We did not invent the oppression of women; we did pass in to our laws suffrage. We did not invent racism that has been going on since Babylon; we are trying to end it. This is the greatest nation ever; nevertheless, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; Even mother America, but we can learn from our mistakes

The ways of the far right is anarchy; wild and unchecked, the way of the far left is oppression and control and this nation had its share of both. If we try using reason and fact instead of gut feeling or folly, then maybe we keep our bearing true.

Remember, the only reason you can speak your mind without fear of tyranny is that those before you were will to fight and if need be die for freedom. If you are not willing to do the same then you are a coward.

Words of wisdom:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Written by an American Soldier.

Maggie -Just picki... (Below threshold)

Maggie -

Just pickin' a nit here re nukes -

Uranium (fission), plutonium (fission) and hydrogen (uranium or plutonium fission assisted fusion) warheads are all considered 'nukes', since they depend on splitting or fusing matter at the nuclear level to release the energy they do, where conventional explosives use the splitting of chemical bonds to get their bang.

Other than that - my father was a radar technician in the Navy in the Pacific. He would likely have been not quite in the ships of the first wave of Operation Downfall. And the casualties WERE expected to be horrendous.

Operation Downfall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
.
Because the U.S. military planners assumed "that operations in this area will be opposed not only by the available organized military forces of the Empire, but also by a fanatically hostile population",[7] high casualties were thought to be inevitable, but nobody knew with certainty how high. Several people made estimates, but they varied widely in numbers, assumptions, and purposes -- which included advocating for and against the invasion -- afterwards, they were reused to argue for and against the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
.
Casualty estimates were based on the experience of the preceding campaigns, drawing different lessons:
In a study done by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in April, the figures of 7.45 casualties/1,000 man-days and 1.78 fatalities/1,000 man-days were developed. This implied that a 90-day Olympic campaign would cost 456,000 casualties, including 109,000 dead or missing. If Coronet took another 90 days, the combined cost would be 1,200,000 casualties, with 267,000 fatalities.[36]
Now - it can be argued all day and night that it was immoral to use nukes to end WW2 - but would it have been more moral to throw a million men (on our side, figure 2-4 times that for Japan) into a meatgrinder? It's all well and good to look back in horror 60 years and condemn it - but THEY weren't thinking about the tender sensibilities of folks later on, they were worried about winning the war as quickly as possible.

And they didn't see 'not fighting' as a possibility.

Folks like Tim and Regina are so obsessed with the past 'sins' of the US they overlook the lessons learned from them. How many times have we used nukes since WW2? How many major hot wars have we had worldwide since WW2? Atomic weapons were supposed to make wars too horrible for the major powers to contemplate - and it worked WELL.

But for some - it doesn't matter WHEN something happened, or what was learned from it. It's still fresh guilt for them, and nothing will ever absolve the sins we're guilty of.

Tim and Regina don't have t... (Below threshold)
John:

Tim and Regina don't have the education or words to counter what JLawson and others have said. Watching them trying to match wits with someone who is educated and well versed is like watching a retarded kid trying to solve a trigonometry problem; not much point in it but is fun to watch. No disrespect to the mentally challenged intended - - Tim and Regina.

Justifying racism due to ot... (Below threshold)
Adam:

Justifying racism due to others being racist, is total hipocracy. Reverend Wright calls America "White America",and accuses America of racism.What of all of the white men who fought and died to free the blacks from slavery. How unselfish these men and there families were.They gave the ultimate price to help someone other than themself.The blacks in this country weren't freed by their own might.They were freed by the blood of God fearing whites,who were practicing the most unselfish act of all.It isn't poltically correct to make this statement. It is however historically correct.
If Mr. Obama identifies this man as his spiritual advisor and mentor,he is no better than a white man who uses the grand wizard of the KKK as his. I can only pray for people who are so full of hate.

Zelsdorf,You're a fa... (Below threshold)
Rynoth:

Zelsdorf,
You're a fanboy and also deluded.

Japan attacked us on December 7th 1941. Now stop whining about it.
We did it to ourselves. It's strategy 101. Here's a nifty idea, let's put all our planes and carriers in one location so it'll look super scary to the Japanese. The attack on Pearl Harbor was brilliant. Plan and simple. Brilliant. All military targets taken down, zero to low collateral damage, and pulled off flawlessly.

But not to be out done by the Japanese, we developed nuclear weapons. Since they weren't stupid enough to give us a massive target like Pearl Harbor we attacked the one thing they did have concentrated in various locations. Women and children. So there. We're even. Now stop whining.

I just love the way fan boys argue. Ok let's compare America to a few other nations. Korea: Oppressive to it's civilians, but offer college education that is paid for by the state. Hmm..could there be something that we could perhaps take from them and incorporate into our government policy? Britain: Again, free education. Canada: Sweet healthcare. God if only.. If only there was some way that WE could have those kinds of options. But we're the greatest nation on earth (or so I've been told). There has to be something that THAT gets us. Oh yeah, I can bitch about the President and not be jailed for it, and the government throws me a meager pittance every semester to help pay for college while I sink deeper and deeper into debt. Woo...hoo...

The second our government gets it's head out of it's ass, and realizes that having the largest standing army in the world is causing us to hemorrhage millions and millions of dollars a day, and that the money for the military would be better spent giving us better education, and better healthcare; That is the day America will truly be great.

You're sick of people complaining about this country? Too bad, the First Amendment protects my right to free speech. You don't like it? Go live somewhere else.

Regina,
You're just a deluded as Zelsdorf

Every country has skeletons in it's closet. Rome killed Christians, Germany killed Jews, Communism killed a lot of people.

Did America do some terrible things. Yeah. We lied to this country's native people, tricked them, manipulated them, and forced them to adopt our way of life. We enslaved the people of Africa and did the same thing. Even after they were free, they were beaten, mistreated persecuted and denied their ten acres and a mule. And you know what? Sh*t happens. Stop trying to tune in to all the suffering in the world you whiny little bleeding heart.

Zelsdorf only wants to look at the good, you only want to look at the bad. Both of you are living in the past, when it's the present and future you should be concerned with. This country isn't great, but it could be. And all that has to happen is for people like you and me to stop ranting on freakin internet forums and actually go out and do something about it.

Lets find out what OPRAHS a... (Below threshold)
J Brown:

Lets find out what OPRAHS association is with this church? She has been bank rolling and openly supporting this man FOR YEARS. Her all "white" service staff, maids, butlers, lanscapers.... I would like to expose this woman as the racist SHE IS as well.

Zelsdorf only wa... (Below threshold)
Maggie:
Zelsdorf only wants to look at the good, you only want to look at the bad. Both of you are living in the past, when it's the present and future you should be concerned with. This country isn't great, but it could be. And all that has to happen is for people like you and me to stop ranting on freakin internet forums and actually go out and do something about it.

In not knowing where you are from,
how do you know which is the right direction for today and the future.
You're doomed to repeat history's mistakes if you haven't learned from them.
This country is great, she gives more of herself, blood, treasure, and charity than any other country.
As to ranting, look in the mirror.

I think Obama has a lot to ... (Below threshold)
sissy1943 Author Profile Page:

I think Obama has a lot to answer to. This is America and we do not tolerate people slandering it in a racial way. I teach my grandchildren and my children to love all races, but when they hear this trash on tv like that preacher was talking about it suggest racial and against my belief. I wish they would get off the race issue and run the campaign like it should be run. This is really getting out of hand. I would not vote for anyone who upholds this kind of talk. What would the black race say if the whites would talk like that omg i would hate to think. Obama says he was not there when this preacher did that particular sermon..well what did the preacher decide to pick a sunday that obama was not going to be there to play the race card. Thats interesting...I dont want anyone leading our country with them kind of friends..thank you very much

http... (Below threshold)
Angel:

http://www/. chicagotribune. com/news/politics/chi-070121-obama-pastor,1,149665. story'

it was not as a crazzy Uncle,, as Mr. Obama stated today when the truth came to light

Read the truth of how Obama thinks of his Preacher in 2007

Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

Why is McCain's acceptance ... (Below threshold)
Jay Alexander:

Why is McCain's acceptance of Rev. Hagee's (Who constantly makes anti semetic & Anti catholic statments) from his church im Texas not be scrutinized like Obama & Rev Wright. At least Obama has caked off of Rev Wright & Min. Farrakhan. McCain said that he (McCain) and Rv Hagee have the same values. So doed this mean Sen McCain is anti catholic & anti semetic? Why are you not concerned about this?

This whole country is full ... (Below threshold)

This whole country is full of hate, Florida is hate, everyone is just mad because a BLACK MAN is going for the WHITE (KKK) House. The media is always creating hate because they are apart of the biggest hate group in the world, The illuminati Elite, Rupert Murdock, Bush cousin.

THE GUY THAT I SEE IS PREACHING THE TRUTH! IT IS ONLY HATE WHEN THE TRUTH COMES FROM A BLACK MAN AND REVEAL THE WHITE HATE GROUPS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!

WELL LET'S LOOK AT BUSH PREACHER AND ALL THE WHITE POLITITINS PREACHER THAT PREACH HETE OF WOMEN, BLACKS, GOD. THEY WORSHIP SATIN!

SEE FOR YOUR SELF

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983
---------------------------------

This whole country is full ... (Below threshold)
E:

This whole country is full of hate, Florida is hate, everyone is just mad because a BLACK MAN is going for the WHITE (KKK) House. The media is always creating hate because they are apart of the biggest hate group in the world, The illuminati Elite, Rupert Murdock, Bush cousin.

THE GUY THAT I SEE IS PREACHING THE TRUTH! IT IS ONLY HATE WHEN THE TRUTH COMES FROM A BLACK MAN AND REVEAL THE WHITE HATE GROUPS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!

WELL LET'S LOOK AT BUSH PREACHER AND ALL THE WHITE Politicians PREACHER THAT PREACH HATE OF WOMEN, BLACKS, GOD. THEY WORSHIP SATIN!

SEE FOR YOUR SELF

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983

e, you got that right! ... (Below threshold)
beejay:

e, you got that right! hate, hate, hate! all-americans just love to hate and love to express their hatred in undertones, in the shadows, in white robes; as if their self-demeaning sentiments will not be revealed... well, newsflash, obama is running and he's going to win the nomination and the presidency! obama and his supporters anticipate --and are strong enough to withstand-- the millions of inflammatory comments which will spew forth between now and when obama is elected. so there!

Republicans Preachers of Ha... (Below threshold)

Republicans Preachers of Hate. See for yourself who and what they worship

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bohemian_grove.html

I smell something nasty, Oh... (Below threshold)
Rudy Rough:

I smell something nasty, Oh yes, B.O. The platform he stands for stinks all the way around. The only question I have is what took America so long to smell it?!!

O_O..Wow...I thought preach... (Below threshold)
Susan:

O_O..Wow...I thought preachers where supposed to preach love thy neighbor as you do yourself. O.O;
McCain or someone better call him on this.

This sounds like a racial t... (Below threshold)
tony kruebbe:

This sounds like a racial thing, I hate people like this, his own people are going to be his short fall. I really wanted to like Obama, but this doesn't sound very adult like.

yes, obama has a lot to ans... (Below threshold)
sub:

yes, obama has a lot to answer for. because "his" preacher is a vile, incendiary racist. period. most of us actually try to put the past behind us, in an effort to keep improving the dynamic between the races. i've seen it improve in my lifetime. but people like Wright are truly vile. they thrive off of hatred, off of a regurgitation of past ills. they couldn't be less interested in "tolerance" or the like. without hatred, this piece of s**t has no career. if there was a reverse situation, in which a white candidate had substantial interaction with a white preacher that spewed hatred of other races and of america, there would be an absolute UPROAR in this country. the guy would be done. for some reason (our own misplaced guilt maybe or just plain fear and weakness) we tolerate scum like Wright. we shouldn't, and Obama shouldn't get a pass on this, for any reason of any sort....




Advertisements









rightads.gif

beltwaybloggers.gif

insiderslogo.jpg

mba_blue.gif

Follow Wizbang

Follow Wizbang on FacebookFollow Wizbang on TwitterSubscribe to Wizbang feedWizbang Mobile

Contact

Send e-mail tips to us:

[email protected]

Fresh Links

Credits

Section Editor: Maggie Whitton

Editors: Jay Tea, Lorie Byrd, Kim Priestap, DJ Drummond, Michael Laprarie, Baron Von Ottomatic, Shawn Mallow, Rick, Dan Karipides, Michael Avitablile, Charlie Quidnunc, Steve Schippert

Emeritus: Paul, Mary Katherine Ham, Jim Addison, Alexander K. McClure, Cassy Fiano, Bill Jempty, John Stansbury, Rob Port

In Memorium: HughS

All original content copyright © 2003-2010 by Wizbang®, LLC. All rights reserved. Wizbang® is a registered service mark.

Powered by Movable Type Pro 4.361

Hosting by ServInt

Ratings on this site are powered by the Ajax Ratings Pro plugin for Movable Type.

Search on this site is powered by the FastSearch plugin for Movable Type.

Blogrolls on this site are powered by the MT-Blogroll.

Temporary site design is based on Cutline and Cutline for MT. Graphics by Apothegm Designs.

Author Login



Terms Of Service

DCMA Compliance Notice

Privacy Policy