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Talking The Talk

I didn't get a chance to see Barack obama's speech yesterday (I was at work), but I did get to read the transcript. And it's a hell of a speech. I agree with a lot of what the guy says about race in America.

But he didn't resolve the issue of his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his Trinity United Church of Christ.

I'm no scholar of the whole mess, but I do know a few of the key facts here:

Obama has been a member of that church -- under Reverend Wright -- for about 23 years. That puts his joining to around 1984.

In 1984, Wright accompanied Jesse Jackson to Libya on a private mission that led to the freedom of a US Navy pilot shot down over Lebanon. (Not overly relevant, but shows that Wright's involvement in national affairs dates back to about the time Obama joined. At the time, I thought that Jackson's move was technically a violation of federal law, but the freeing of Lt. Goodman was worth overlooking the technical violation of the Logan Act.)

There is no definitive timeline for Wright's various and sundry hateful remarks, but his comments about 9/11 -- saying that "(i)n the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just "disappeared" as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns" -- were published in the church's official magazine in October 2003.

Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2004.

So, for well over four years, Reverend Wright has been spouting his racially divisive message. And during that time, Barack Obama honored him with a book title, extensive portions of his books, praised him in public, sought his counsel before running for the Senate and making other crucial decisions, and named him to his presidential campaigns.

I am reminded of another incident involving a United States Senator, just a few years ago.

Senator Strom Thurmond was having his 100th birthday party. In attendance were many notables and luminaries, but the most remembered moment was when Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott took the stage and said the following:

"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."

Not the smartest thing to say, considering that Thurmond ran on an explicitly segregationist platform in 1948. But how significant was it in December of 2002?

I took it not as a confession of racism, of a calling for the return of segregation, but a man saying something nice for an old man who, in all likelihood, would be dead soon. (And Thurmond did, indeed, die barely six months later.) It was in the spirit of "don't speak ill of the dead," a couple of months early.

That didn't matter. Lott was branded as a bigot and a racist, and he had to resign.

Likewise, while I am interested in what Obama has to say about Wright now, I am more interested in what he said before Wright's beliefs and statements got out into the general public. (Through the incredibly devious and underhanded tactic of buying magazines and DVDs that reproduce his sermons from the Trinity United Church, which sells them as fundraisers.) And those are fulsome praise, unabashed and unconditional respect and affection and camaraderie.

Obama's actions also speak loudly. As I noted above, right up until word started getting around, Wright was a key member of both Obama's campaign and his life in general.

Trent Lott had to resign his Senate leadership position barely two weeks after he made his remarks.

Will Obama have to pay any sort of price for his long-standing association with Wright, or will his repudiation -- which only came out after the general public learned what those who were closest to Wright must have known for years -- prove sufficient?

The standard has been set.


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Comments (73)

Good point about Trent Lott... (Below threshold)

Good point about Trent Lott, I hadn't thought about that until now and it is a valid comparison. At the time I didn't think Trent Lott should have resigned, just like now I don't think Obama should have to resign either but it does show the double standard.

Sen. Obama wants it both wa... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Sen. Obama wants it both ways: He wants to be a post-racial uniter of the country, but he doesn't want to do anything that would distance himself from a significant part of the black community, which is supporting him at up to a 90% rate. I don't think Obama's beliefs are in any way similar to those of Rev. Wright, but a white politician who sat in church for 20 years listening to rants of an angry, racist, anti-American nature would have been toast long before now.

In short, Wright is a bigot... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

In short, Wright is a bigoted hate mongor who hates white people for being white. One brush paints us all. Obama will get a pass, for a while, because the MSM is afraid to criticize him. ww

I'd be just as interested t... (Below threshold)

I'd be just as interested to hear him explain his support of Dorothy Tillman.

How refreshing to he... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


How refreshing to hear a complex, intelligent, speech competently delivered by a politician. A great day for Mr. Obama and a great day for America.

Another step forward on Barack Obama's path to becoming The President of the United States of America.

Put a fork in him, he's don... (Below threshold)
Pretzel_Logic:

Put a fork in him, he's done.

With his speech, Obama made... (Below threshold)
sam:

With his speech, Obama made himself the black candidate. He told whitey that they are racists for not supporting him. Good luck getting the white "Reagan Democrat" vote now.

He sure wasn't afraid to te... (Below threshold)
SteveC:

He sure wasn't afraid to tell Imus to take a hike or throw his grandmother under the bus.

Obama threw his grandmother... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

Obama threw his grandmother off the train for his own political gain. She was the one person who was there for him in his times of need. To equate her with Wright is both ridiculous and callous. What an ungrateful jerk. His wife was right, he is stinky.

I was never ever going to v... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

I was never ever going to vote Obama in the first place, but this is going to keep a lot of fence sitters from jumping on the Obama bandwagon, especially since he is still keeping Wright on the top of his BFF list.

How can he say he will unite people when those he hangs out with every Sunday have no intention of uniting? Of course the definition of "uniter" for liberals is the guy that wins implements the losers policies to make them happy.

Those that already support him thought his speech was, like.......awesome!

I even lurked in the Kos thread and many mentioned how they just broke down and cried because it was soooooooo inspirational.

But polls are already showing his positives are taking a quick nosedive.

Whether you supported him in the primaries or not, get used to "President John McCain".

I noted in a story in the p... (Below threshold)

I noted in a story in the paper this morning that they had a quote from Wright where he told Obama early last year that he (Obama) might have to distance himself from him (Wright) if he got the nomination. So right there you can chuck all of Obama's lies about how he didn't know that Wright was saying any of this stuff, Wright has admitted telling Obama that he might have to distance himself from him. Unless, of course, you choose to believe that Obama took this from his friend and mentor and they never discussed why he would say that he might have to distance himself from Wright.

Plus, watch the cable news ... (Below threshold)
Pretzel_Logic:

Plus, watch the cable news shows. Watch the usually confident and cocky lefties. Look at their faces, they're squirming.

The Story of Jeremiah... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

The Story of Jeremiah

'But it was all of no use. The people first scoffed and then grew angry, and in their rage they seized Jeremiah and put him in the stocks where all the passers-by might mock at him.

"See the mad prophet! "they cried in derision.

It was easy to laugh at the prophet, but in a very short time a feeling of uneasiness began to spread amongst the people of Jerusalem. It looked as if there might be truth in the prophet's warning.'

[ . . . ]

http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=steedman&book=nurserybible&story=jeremiah

Obama lied.I had w... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Obama lied.

I had written here that I did not for one second accept his word that he had not heard any of the hate rhetoric from Wright. He finally admitted that he had heard it.

He is a liar.

Let's see Trent said Americ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Let's see Trent said America would be a better place today if Strom's segregationist policies were enacted. While Obama said Wright's views and statements were not his, and he disavowals those thoughts and statements.

Jay, even you should see the difference between the two?


Democrats god love them...t... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Democrats god love them...they are going to once again nominate a loser. Amazing how supposedly intelligent people can keep lock steping to defeat election after election.

Will Obama have to pay a... (Below threshold)

Will Obama have to pay any sort of price for his long-standing association with Wright, or will his repudiation

Will Mitt Romney have to pay any sort of price for attending a church for over a decade that practiced blatant racial discrimination?

Or does your indignant outrage only apply to the churches of black candidates Jay?

Will Mitt Romney have to pa... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Will Mitt Romney have to pay any sort of price for attending a church for over a decade that practiced blatant racial discrimination?

Or does your indignant outrage only apply to the churches of black candidates Jay?
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Cheap excuse along the line of Obama 's despicable false equivalencies ( throwing his gradma under the bus ).

Romney was born into the Mormon church (he didn't choose it as Obama did). His father was active in the civil rights movement. And the Mormon church dropped it more than 30 years ago. Wright is now. Obama is a calculating and less than honest politician. If you want to support another liar in the mold of Bill Clinton, then go ahead but at least be honest about it. Also we had another example of another liberal hero/icon in Spitzer. Please don't sell us Obama as MLK!

Note also how Obama supporters now are trying to use the race card to justify his long association with a racist. If Obama can throw his loving grandmother under the bus for his political ambition, no wonder his supporters will stoop into the gutter with their savior.

Romney had to attend the ch... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Romney had to attend the church because is was the only place a mormon could practive without discrimination from fundemental Christians who were motivated by hate and at times Romney remembered the slurs of "You cult member", "mormon go home", "how many wives do you have?" and other vile things. His grandmother, who was a devout traditional Christian at times derided Romney for his faith. "I love my grandmother, but she was so hateful to me for who I was", Romney said. (sarcasm off)

See how stupid Obama's excuse is. Hate is hate. It had no color distinction.

I agree with Pretzel, Obama is now the "black" candidate who excuses bad and hateful behavior because black people are victims. ww

The comment which ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

The comment which seems to have caused the most anger by Wright is his "chickens came home to roost" reference to 9/11. But explain how Wright's reaction is any different to....

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," said Pat Robertson.

This occurred three days after 9/11 when America was in the midst of its deepest anguish..How consoling, how Christian! And how did did George W.Bush respond as President? Did he reject or renounce Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson nutty comments on behalf of those families, who lost loved ones in an attack that Robertson and Falwell said "America deserved", which was worse than Wright's comment, in my estimation. No, Of course not. .Why? He has calculated (how sincere Bush his about his religion is questionable) that he needs the votes and support of the right wing white evangelists, so he invited Pat Robertson for a prayer meeting, one on one, with him a few weeks before the Iraq invasion to seek Robertson's blessing and wisdom for the Iraqi invasion / the "There will be no American casualties" meeting.

Bush, in matters of faith and theology, and just about everything else admits "I don't do nuance". What a contrast to Obama after the most intelligent, honest and courageous speech on race and faith since John McCain's in February, in South Carolina in 2000?

But will Obama pay the same price for a speech about bigotry aimed at adults, that McCain suffered? Maybe.


Wright is an anti-American ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Wright is an anti-American racist right now, today ... his church is a rasict (anti-white) organization ...
Obama supports both with words and money ...

That makes Obama a racist anti-American once removed ... this is not guilt by association this is guilt by endorsement ... with his words and on his checks ...

The Anti-American racist presidential candidate ... now thats a different kind of politics ...

Steve, I thought yo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Steve,
I thought you would be more honest than this. But we cannot expect any better, I am surprised.
Did Bush take his kids to church every week to hear his pastor calling "God d* America", the "US of KKKA", the US gov invented the aid virus etc...?
Obama is shown a liar and of poor character by throwing his grandma under the bus. Feel free to support another version of Bill Clinton (1st black president), but don't sell us on cheap rhetoric. I forgot, liberals love the "unsually good" liar.

Nice job bringing up that... (Below threshold)
I'm An Asshat:

Nice job bringing up that tasteless comment Trent Lott said and comparing them to remarks that Barack Obama did not say.

Oh well, in your emotionally crippled way, you're having fun.

"I forgot, [leftists] lo... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"I forgot, [leftists] love the "unsually good" liar."

It's not a metter of "love" so much. It's simply a job requirement.

America is crumbling. This... (Below threshold)
epador:

America is crumbling. This post and thread shows the successful attempts to degrade our will and perception of the true challenges and successes of our nation have left us sitting in a cesspool of a petty schoolyard mudslinging while the evil delinquents that threaten to steal our bikes and beat us into a senseless pulp stand just on the other side of the schoolyard fence, watching and waiting for the chance they sense is now very near.

Larkin:W... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Larkin:

Will Mitt Romney have to pay any sort of price for attending a church for over a decade that practiced blatant racial discrimination?

Okay, you've convinced me, I won't vote for Romney for President this time.

You've made the comparison repeatedly but it's not even remotely comparable. (1) At this point, Romney's qualifications to be President isn't any more relevant to the current Presidential debate than your local county supervisor. (2) What someone did 20+ years ago may or may not reflect their current views. Behavior within the past 5 years is much more likely to reflect their current views.

As far a Crickmore's comments, neither of those people were considered close personal friends and mentors. It's a matter of being able to infer the views of a person by who their close friends are. The reason being is that friendship requires some common basis of beliefs. The closer the friendship to more closely the two people are alike. Crickmore's point is a poor attempt at obfuscation through invalid comparisons.

his church is a rasict (... (Below threshold)

his church is a rasict (anti-white) organization ...

Trinity is part of the United Church of Christ which is a Protestant church and largely white I believe. I went to a Church of Christ once where I live and it was all white.

Romney was born into the... (Below threshold)

Romney was born into the Mormon church (he didn't choose it as Obama did).

Oh so when Romney was an adult of 21 years and he chose to worship for the next decade in a church that followed racist policies he didn't have any choice? He was forced to because he was born into it?

Hypocrisy on display for all to see.

Obama lied, Grandma cried</... (Below threshold)
civildisobedience Author Profile Page:

Obama lied, Grandma cried

This cheap tactic of bringi... (Below threshold)

This cheap tactic of bringing up what someone else did or didn't do in response to some other statement is particularly transparent.

Of course everyone who heard what Falwell and Robertson said after 9/11 said the same thing to themselves -- "what a couple of loons."

The only question of relevance to someone's character is what did they do when they heard the remarks at the time they were made?

You know, the old matter of what a man does when no one is looking.

My big problem with Obama's notion of bridging the gap and moving beyond our differences is that it will never happen as long as the Pastor Wrights of the black churchs continue to spew this sort of racial hatred -- and their congregants continue to bring their children to hear it and see all of the people nodding and saying "amen!"

Really. When your minister professes in his sermon that the AIDS virus was concocted by the U.S. government for the purpose of racial genocide, is this the sort of remark you let go, or write off as the remark of the crazy uncle?

It is one thing to belong t... (Below threshold)

It is one thing to belong to a church that has a pastor who says inflammatory things.

It's quite another to name the pastor as your mentor, as a friend, as a member of your campaign. THAT crosses the line of pastor/parishioner in a big way.

No, what Sen. Obama's maternal grandmother said was not right. But as a blood relative, he could not walk away from her. He could have chosen another mentor, another campaign advisor, etc.

Trinity is part of the U... (Below threshold)
Conservachef:

Trinity is part of the United Church of Christ which is a Protestant church and largely white I believe. I went to a Church of Christ once where I live and it was all white.

Larkin, I'm not trying to nit-pick, but the United C.O.C. is not the same as Church of Christ. (I'm guessing that they have about 1.3 million members nationwide.) Also, local churches are fairly autonomous with regards to the larger denomination.

It is one thing to belon... (Below threshold)

It is one thing to belong to a church that has a pastor who says inflammatory things.

Yeah right, and black churches are the ONLY churches where the pastors say inflammatory things.

I'm sure Mike Huckabee was never in a church where anything inflammatory was said.

Isn't it interesting how you're all so curious about Obama's pastor but you have no interest at all in the content of Mike Huckabee's sermons?

Oh so when Romney was an ad... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Oh so when Romney was an adult of 21 years and he chose to worship for the next decade in a church that followed racist policies he didn't have any choice? He was forced to because he was born into it?

Hypocrisy on display for all to see.
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Yup, thanks for displaying the liberal hypocrisy again. Liberals were making a big deal of Romney 's church and now trying to excuse Obama? Romney 's father was active in the civil movement and Romney himself followed in the footsteps of his dad. What did Obama do to change the racist view of his pastors besides bringing his kids to listen to him and embracing him until a convenient time for distancing (as brought up by pastor Wright himself). Can we be honest to admit that Obama is a liar, a hypocrite (first to call for the firing of Imus), and a typical corrupt politician of poor character (for his porks and throwing his grandmother under the bus).

Larkin, if you want to support Obama, go ahead but be honest about it. But don't try to fool us about the new politics of "change" and "hope".

Of course everyone who h... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Of course everyone who heard what Falwell and Robertson said after 9/11 said the same thing to themselves -- "what a couple of loons."
The only question of relevance to someone's character is what did they do when they heard the remarks at the time they were made?

You obviously missed where Steve pointed out when Bush called on Robertson for spiritual guidance in invading Iraq. Is that relevant to his character?

I'm sure Mike Huckabee w... (Below threshold)
Conservachef:

I'm sure Mike Huckabee was never in a church where anything inflammatory was said...
Isn't it interesting how you're all so curious about Obama's pastor but you have no interest at all in the content of Mike Huckabee's sermons?

Larkin, I'll bite. Show me where/when/what Huckabee said that compares to Wright. Even easier- show me where/when/what was said while Huckabee was in attendance that compares to Wright's statements. Then show me how Huckabee continued to attend that church (or preach at it) for 20 years, giving support to the pastor in question, without condemnation of the inflammatory sermons.

Do that, and I might not vote for Huckabee.

You obviously missed where ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

You obviously missed where Steve pointed out when Bush called on Robertson for spiritual guidance in invading Iraq. Is that relevant to his character?
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This is both dumb and dishonest as usual.

I see Barney is lying again... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

I see Barney is lying again:

Let's see Trent said America would be a better place today if Strom's segregationist policies were enacted. While Obama said Wright's views and statements were not his, and he disavowals those thoughts and statements.

Lott did not say that. What he said was the if Thurmond had been elected President, we might have been better off. A statement that did not point to a particular policy of Thurmond's.

So pick one, Barney, you are either an incompetent or a liar.

Of course, I'm betting both.

This is both dumb</p... (Below threshold)
Brian:

This is both dumb

Nice evasion. Same us some time and just get right to your usual "OK, Brian was right, but..." post.

and dishonest

You mean Bush didn't call on Robertson? Please show us your "honesty" with some evidence.

What Bush did not do, Brian... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

What Bush did not do, Brian, is ask Robertson for advice on policy, he did not dedicate a book to Robertson, and he did not run as a race-mending Messiah.

Now explain your hypocrisy on this issue.

Good luck with that.

Brian, Let me use y... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Brian,
Let me use your logic. Bush shouldn't ask for Robertson to pray for the safety of the troops. You prefered Obama because he would huddle with Wright to pray for God's damnation of the US and the troops (despite his cheap non-denunciation now). That seems to be consistent with your desire and actions so far.

Given the dishonesty and low character of Obama, it is dumb to continue to carry water for him as you did here. Or really you agree with Wright 's view and Obama/Michelle 's view that America is a rotten country that deserves damnation. You really agree with his agenda of "killing babies/the disabled, not terrorists" big gov, but you are not honest enough to admit it.

Why are you trying to carry water for Obama? Dumb or Dishonest?

Larkin: "Oh so when Romney... (Below threshold)
engineer:

Larkin: "Oh so when Romney was an adult of 21 years and he chose to worship for the next decade in a church that followed racist policies he didn't have any choice? He was forced to because he was born into it?"

I didn't realize Rommey was so old. The racist policies of the Mormon church ended 30 years ago. So to be honest, Rommey attended a church that in the past had racist policies and Obama attends a church that presently has racist policies. Big difference.

Or should everybody move from Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, etc., because they had racist polocies at one time?

What Bush did not do, Br... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What Bush did not do, Brian, is ask Robertson for advice on policy

Well, on the face of it you're right on that one.

"He was just sitting there, like, I'm on top of the world, and I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you better prepare the American people for casualties,' " Robertson said. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties," Robertson quoted Bush as saying. " 'Well,' I said, 'it's the way it's going to be. . . . The Lord told me it was going to be, A, a disaster and, B, messy.' "

However, Bush has said he was doing "God's will" in invading Iraq, and said that Bush 41 was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to". So you explain what Bush was thinking when he called on a man who said we deserved 9/11 to assist him in getting advice from God.

Having said that, your "asking for advice on policy" metric is a red herring, as Obama didn't ask Wright for advice on policy either.

Now explain your hypocrisy on this issue.

None to explain.

Let me use your logic.</... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Let me use your logic.

Of course. You'll do anything to avoid answer the question.

Or really you agree with Wright 's view and Obama/Michelle 's view that America is a rotten country that deserves damnation. You really agree with his agenda of "killing babies/the disabled, not terrorists" big gov, but you are not honest enough to admit it.

OK, so you really agree with Robertson's view that America deserved 9/11. You really agree that Katrina was God's punishment for fags. That men are the head of women. That equal rights for women "encourages them to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians". That Sharon's stroke was divine retribution. That.... oh geez, I don't have time to list all of Robertson's craziness.

A lot of things can be said... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

A lot of things can be said about Rev. Wright, but you have to admit he is consistent.

His wish for God to damn America is consistent with his wish for Barack to be President.

Just for the record:<... (Below threshold)

Just for the record:

Obama (then): "None of these statements were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews. The other statements were ones that I just heard about while we were -- when they started being run on FOX and some of the other stations. And so they weren't things that I was familiar with."

Obama (now): "Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

Nope, nobody lying here.

Here's Obama's exact words ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Here's Obama's exact words from his speach.

Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

After the snippets of Wright's remarks were played to Obama in Friday's Fox News interview, it was Obama who labeled them "controversial". It would be an additional lie if Obama were to now say the word "controversial" in his speech means some other less offensive remarks.

Obama lied to the American public and liberals need to come to terms with that. We don't need another President who answers questions with statements like "it depends on what your definition of is is".

The sad part is that Obama didn't need to lie. In the Fox News interview Obama could have told the truth and explained it as he did yesterday. That would have won him lots of support from centralists. Even if Obama had deflected the question and said he would have a speech on it, that would have been ok. Instead Obama panicked and blundered into the trap the Fox set for him. In addition, the fact that Obama gave an interview to Fox News shows his lack of experience and his poor judgment.

After the bashing Bush has taken over imagined lies, conservatives are not going to let this lie thing go. Snippets of Wright's remarks, the Fox News interview, and Obama's speech are being spliced together and they are going to be all over You Tube. The young voters Obama needs are going to see this time and time again. The 527 groups will make ads showing the same thing. The best thing the Democrats could do is use their super delegates as they were meant to be used is such a case and give the nomination to Hillary.

I don't have time to list a... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

I don't have time to list all of Robertson's craziness.
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So why did Obama take his kids to church to hear Wright 's damnation of America? Because of Robertson's craziness, it is OK for Obama to associate with a racist church for 20 years? Is that you arg?

What planet, seriously, do ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

What planet, seriously, do you inhabit, Brian?

The left doesn't care that ... (Below threshold)

The left doesn't care that Obama lies. They knew he would lie from the start and expected him to. He couldn't get elected telling the truth about his positions and agenda.

The mind-numbed cultists who support him wouldn't care if he was caught over Hillary's dead body with a smoking gun and bloody knife. That his close friend, mentor, and adviser is an America-hating black racist is a matter of little consequence to them. In fact, it probably reassures them that he is one of them.

Now it is up to the adults still remaining in the Democratic Party to exercise some supervision. It's now or never for them - if the empty suit wins, the Party will have been taken over by the neo-coms.

BTW, both Falwell and Rober... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

BTW, both Falwell and Robertson apologized for their comments. When did Wright apologize for his racist comments? Maybe Bush helped Falwell & Robertson see the errors. What did Obama do to change Wright 's views? He deviously tried to excuse it yesterday by comparing Wright 's public racist and anti-America commenst to his loving grandmother 's private fear and prejudice. THat is despicable for a grandson to drag out his grandma into the open and compare her to a racist like that. Why are you still trying to excuse that?

Joe Scarborough said it bes... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Joe Scarborough said it best. White union guys who usually vote democrat (who Obama needs in the general) do NOT want to sit around and hear how bad life has been for a Harvard Law grad & his Princeton (300,000 a year salary) wife have had it tough, while they can't even find a job. And they also don't want to hear excuses for a 20 year sit-in for that racist, America hating kook.

Mission NOT accomplished Obama. You're done.

For all the evasions in Oba... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

For all the evasions in Obama 's speech, the most despicable one for me is the "throwing of his grandmother under the bus". There is no reason to drag her given she was a surrogate mother for him and a decent one at that too.

"Isn't it interesting ho... (Below threshold)

"Isn't it interesting how you're all so curious about Obama's pastor but you have no interest at all in the content of Mike Huckabee's sermons?"

Last time I checked the majority of us who are likely to vote the right side of the ticket were in support of Thompson - not Huckabee. And when Thompson fell out of the race, they STILL didn't support Huckabee. And when Romney fell out of the race they STILL didn't support Huckabee.

So what's your point?

What planet, seriously, ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What planet, seriously, do you inhabit, Brian?

Apparently the one where you respond to having your arguments torn apart by either shutting down or turning personal.

"None of these sta... (Below threshold)
Brian:
"None of these statements were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews." "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."
Nope, nobody lying here.

So "I never heard those particular statements, but I heard other statements" is a contradictory sentence to you?

Hey Brian, did you hear the... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Hey Brian, did you hear there was a sale on turd polish? You'd better hurry and stock up before Larkin buys out their entire stock.

(Lord knows you're gonna need tons of it. Still, Hillary will get the nomination.)

Hey, Bunyan, look over ther... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Hey, Bunyan, look over there... a communist! Go get 'em, boy!

Which one Brian? Barack or ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Which one Brian? Barack or Hillary?

It doesn't matter. All you ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It doesn't matter. All you need is a chew toy.

Oh, you were just pointing ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Oh, you were just pointing at your reflection in a mirror.

This one nails it.... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

This one nails it.

Three Big Problems with Obama speech
Barack's big moment features content that is shamelessly manipulative, blatantly misleading, deliberately deceptive and even dishonest.

I'm loving watching the lib... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I'm loving watching the liberal journalists on TV sit around practically BEGGING for Americans to now move on to something else and give their boy a pass. Not.Gonna.Happen.

HILARIOUS.

Maybe ABC is for Hillary he... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:
How about a <a href="http:/... (Below threshold)
I'm An Asshat:

How about a McCain / Hagee ticket for 08' to appease the mouthbreathers?

How about a McCain / Hagee ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

How about a McCain / Hagee ticket for 08' to appease the mouthbreathers?
-------------------------------------
Again, is this dumb and/or dishonest?

BTW, are the Obama water ca... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

BTW, are the Obama water carriers looking forward to Obama/Sharpton or Hillary/Sharpton ticket ?

New Black Pather party post... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

New Black Pather party posting support on Obama 's website here

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59326
Racists endorse Obama on candidate's website
New Black Panther Party condemns 'white men,' Jews, praises candidate


http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGrXCt

"Again, is this dumb and/or... (Below threshold)
I'm An Asshat:

"Again, is this dumb and/or dishonest?"

Neither.

McCain has the ringing (as in, in person) endorsement from the firebrand nutcase pastor Hagee. It must be a conspiracy for Teh Librul EmEssEm not to put McCain under the same level of scrutiny!
-Or expected behavior in some of the lowest of places.

Thats whats expected when you respond to wingnuttery of this sort. You are not responding to sincerely-held beliefs, just a embarrassingly thick layer of disingenuous stupidity.

Moonbat Asshat, S... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Moonbat Asshat,
So you are looking forward to the Obama/Al Sharpton ticket and with the support of the New Pather Party to make you happy? We didn't bother to bring these up because we know better. But the moonbats, who knows?

Again, is this dumb and/or dishonest?

So "I never heard ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
So "I never heard those particular statements, but I heard other statements" is a contradictory sentence to you?

But Obama wasn't addressing "other" statements. Obama was addressing Wright's controversial statements both in his Fox News interview and in his speech. If Obama wasn't addressing Wright's controversial statements in his speech then he carefully parsed his words in order to again deceive the American public. An intentional deception is a lie.

Obama says in the Fox News interview that "When I saw these statements, many of which I had heard for the first time..." That means he had heard some of these statements before, but we don't know when. Then Obama sets a stricter condition with this statement "None of these statements were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews." So now you would have to catch him in the pew, not just hearing the statement.

Obama says in his speech "I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rev. Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain."

"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

There was no switch from Wright's controversial statements to some other less controversial statements as liberals would like to believe. Obama lied and didn't need to.

The short transript of the ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

The short transript of the interview of Obama on Imus

OBAMA: I don't think MSNBC should be carrying the kinds of hateful remarks that Imus uttered the other day, and he has a track record of making those kinds of remarks. Look, I've got two daughters who are African-American, gorgeous, tall, and I hope at some point are interested enough in sports that they get athletic scholarships.

GREGORY: So he should be off the air, off MSNBC, and off CBS, off the air completely in your judgment?

OBAMA: Ultimately you guys are going to have to make that view. He would not be working for me.

RUSH: He would not be working for me, but Jeremiah Wright would be working for him and was working for him at the time. And, by the way, it wasn't CBS or NBC that got rid of Imus, it was the Reverend Al Sharpton who got rid of Imus, who cowed NBC and CBS into that. So Gregory says, "Okay, final point here. You've been a guest on Imus' show to promote your books. Will you or would you be a guest on his show in the future?"

OBAMA: No, I would not. I was on there once, actually, after Democratic National Convention, spoke about my book briefly, that's been my only experience on the show, and he was fine when I was on that show. But I don't want to be an enabler or be encouraging in any way of the kind of programming that results in the unbelievably offensive statements that were made.

a black man taken down by a... (Below threshold)
moseby:

a black man taken down by a black man...nothing CHANGEs much does it?




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