Yet another member of the Wizbang audience has been promoted to Commenter Emeritus. BarneyG2000 decided to challenge Cassy on the veracity of one of her pieces. Then, when she didn't respond by his 2-hour deadline (which he didn't even bother to announce ahead of time), he called her a liar and suggested that I could help her "lie her way out of this."
I felt kind of mellow, so I gave Barney a chance to back away from the cliff. I said he could have 24 hours to back up his accusations, withdraw them, or go elsewhere. He chose to instead add more personal insults.
He chose poorly.
Oh, well. His loss is our gain. I'm trying to remember the last time BarneyG2000 offered a single thing of substance or worth, but none comes to mind.
Remember: Wizbang is probably the most tolerant of dissenting comments of any big blog, but our patience is not infinite and commenting is a privilege, not a right. And that privilege can be revoked at any time, for any reason, or for no reason.
I like to think that we are exceptionally fair in using that club. (As the guy whose job it is to most frequently take up Olaf The Troll God's Hammer, I'm pretty proud that it spends so much time on the shelf of The Magic Box.) But there are a few sure-fire ways to get pounded with it. Making accusations such as lying against the authors, and refusing to back them up, is one way pretty much guaranteed to work. Offering nothing but personal insults against the authors is another.
Barney scored a double, and got squashed.
Olaf's Hammer is back on the shelf. Please let me leave it there for a while. My back ain't what it used to be.
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Wizbang is probably the ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by mantis | March 26, 2008 7:12 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Wizbang is probably the most tolerant of dissenting comments of any big blog
It's true, and that's one of the reasons this is such an interesting site.
Bye Barney. Good riddance.
Btw Jay, I just did a search of his name, and boy does that goofball have no life. The first page of results yields comments on no less than eight different sites.
1. Posted by mantis | March 26, 2008 7:12 PM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:12
2. Posted by Scrapiron | March 26, 2008 7:27 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
You just sent KOS the best author they will ever have.
2. Posted by Scrapiron | March 26, 2008 7:27 PM |
Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:27
3. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | March 26, 2008 7:29 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
BLOOD FOR ODIN!
Seeya Barney. Please send a postcard or two from whatever planet your from.
3. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | March 26, 2008 7:29 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:29
4. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | March 26, 2008 7:30 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
your = "you're"
PIMF
4. Posted by Son Of The Godfather | March 26, 2008 7:30 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:30
5. Posted by LaMedusa | March 26, 2008 7:32 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
You're right, Jay. I'd say Barney's thread-jacking was more of a nuisance, almost as bad as...well...blog-hacking.
5. Posted by LaMedusa | March 26, 2008 7:32 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:32
6. Posted by Peter F. | March 26, 2008 7:34 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
There is a God. And his name is Jay Tea.
(After I had the annoying experience of realizing Barney couldn't understand that when a paragraph or a sentence is italicized within an article by an author that that portion being excerpted is NOT in the author's words but in the document being cited (he based an entire argument around just the opposite), I tried not to get into conversations with the man.)
6. Posted by Peter F. | March 26, 2008 7:34 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:34
7. Posted by David | March 26, 2008 7:42 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Actually I think his asshatery was rather mild relative to other dung droppings he has dropped here. I assume the being a jerk is cumulative.
7. Posted by David | March 26, 2008 7:42 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:42
8. Posted by Oyster | March 26, 2008 7:45 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
I guess it's for the best. How are we supposed to exercise our brains if we're forever fighting with those who show up unarmed?
8. Posted by Oyster | March 26, 2008 7:45 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 19:45
9. Posted by Herman | March 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Score: -11 (13 votes cast)
Like I miss Muirgeo, I shall miss Barney. He tried his best to educate and enlighten the conservatives, with some of his posts being quite articulate and informative.
**************************************************
Back I go to The Underground. (And no, I don't mean the sewer.)
9. Posted by Herman | March 26, 2008 8:13 PM |
Score: -11 (13 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:13
10. Posted by Jay Tea | March 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Herman, you're always welcome to start your own blog and invite them to join you. Personally, I don't miss them one damned bit.
Hell, track down and astigafa and nogo postal while you're at it.
J.
10. Posted by Jay Tea | March 26, 2008 8:18 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:18
11. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Good riddance. Although I shall miss the entertainment I have had spanking the incompetent.
11. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 8:28 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:28
12. Posted by Herman | March 26, 2008 8:29 PM | Score: -14 (16 votes cast)
"I felt kind of mellow, so I gave Barney a chance to back away from the cliff. I said he could have 24 hours to back up his accusations, withdraw them, or go elsewhere. He chose to instead add more personal insults." -- Mr. Tea
THE READER IS INVITED TO NOTE THE TIMES STAMPED FOR MR. TEA'S WARNING, AND FOR MR. TEA'S FIRST DECLARATION OF BARNEY'S NEW EMERITUS STATUS:
"Barney, I'm feeling generous. You have 24 hours to back up your accusation against me, apologize for it, or find a new blog to infest.
J."
18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 4:34 AM
"Congratulations, Barney! You've been promoted to the exalted rank of Commenter Emeritus, joining the illustrious ranks of astigafa, muirgeo, and nogo postal among other worthies. I hope you enjoy bright future as some other blog's pain in the ass.
J."
22. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 12:35 PM
Doesn't it seem to you, dear reader, that the posts are only eight hours apart?
*********************
Back Herman goes to The Underground.
12. Posted by Herman | March 26, 2008 8:29 PM |
Score: -14 (16 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:29
13. Posted by cirby | March 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Herman,
From the original thread:
"Barney, I'm feeling generous. You have 24 hours to back up your accusation against me, apologize for it, or find a new blog to infest.
J.
18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 4:34 AM"
Considering that this post was at 7 PM on the following day, it's much more than 24 hours...
13. Posted by cirby | March 26, 2008 8:35 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:35
14. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 8:40 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Herman, with his usual mendacity, omits to mention that Barney responded to Jay Tea's invitation with defiance.
Good job, Herman, showing your dishonesty.
14. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 8:40 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:40
15. Posted by jpm100 | March 26, 2008 8:41 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Actually Herman, with a little reading comprehension, you would realize that before Barney's 24 hours were up, he used his time to toss personal insults at Jay Tea, instead of civilly responding.
15. Posted by jpm100 | March 26, 2008 8:41 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:41
16. Posted by Melissa | March 26, 2008 8:45 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Herman
Moveable type has a little quirk that puts the time stamp on when the author begins the post, not when said author hits the publish post key.
With that in mind, I would say Jay started the post then held off until he knew for certain that Barney was not going to reply then went back and hit publish.
16. Posted by Melissa | March 26, 2008 8:45 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:45
17. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
jpm100, it was not a lack of reading comprehension, Herman did not miss Barney's comment. He omitted mentioning it intentionally. Herman has no integrity, no honesty and almost as much incompetence as Barney. Its why he's a fan of Barney.
17. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 8:53 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 20:53
18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 26, 2008 9:08 PM | Score: 10 (12 votes cast)
SPQR has it right. No, I did not wait 24 hours to pull the plug. I took Barney's insulting response to be a declaration that he had no intention of either backing up his accusation or withdrawing it, so I banished him.
Not a single regret about it, either.
J.
18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 26, 2008 9:08 PM |
Score: 10 (12 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:08
19. Posted by Tom Blogical | March 26, 2008 9:09 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
"Oh, well. His loss is our gain. I'm trying to remember the last time BarneyG2000 offered a single thing of substance or worth, but none comes to mind."
His loss is definitely our gain, but the single thing of substance or worth he provided was getting permanently banned from the site.
19. Posted by Tom Blogical | March 26, 2008 9:09 PM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:09
20. Posted by capital L | March 26, 2008 9:17 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
"Btw Jay, I just did a search of his name, and boy does that goofball have no life. The first page of results yields comments on no less than eight different sites."
I can't tell if this is sarcasm? I visit more that 8 sites in a typical half an hour of web use, and I comment whenever the mood strikes me.
20. Posted by capital L | March 26, 2008 9:17 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:17
21. Posted by Herman | March 26, 2008 9:26 PM | Score: -15 (17 votes cast)
"I said he could have 24 hours to back up his accusations, withdraw them, or go elsewhere. He chose to instead add more personal insults." -- Mr. Tea
"No, I did not wait 24 hours to pull the plug." -- Mr. Tea
That Mr. Tea, obviously a man of his word. NOT!!!
21. Posted by Herman | March 26, 2008 9:26 PM |
Score: -15 (17 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:26
22. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 9:30 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
We've already learned all we need about your honesty, Herman.
22. Posted by SPQR | March 26, 2008 9:30 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:30
23. Posted by Tom Blogical | March 26, 2008 9:33 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Keep going, Herman. I'm cheering for you to be next. Go ahead...call Jay Tea a liar, instead of just omitting key parts of his comments. I triple dog dare ya.
23. Posted by Tom Blogical | March 26, 2008 9:33 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:33
24. Posted by Jay Tea | March 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Herman, he had up to 24 hours to answer. Note that that is considerably longer than he gave Cassy. He chose to answer in less than that time.
And if you're bucking to join him, you're gonna have to do better. I don't take out Olaf's Hammer unless I really need to.
J.
24. Posted by Jay Tea | March 26, 2008 9:35 PM |
Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:35
25. Posted by HughS | March 26, 2008 9:40 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Herman (!) queue Munsters...has a well deserved reputation here. His words and comments speak for it (him) quite well. I can't remember the last time it (Herman) articulated an argument beyond the level of troll dropping.
25. Posted by HughS | March 26, 2008 9:40 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:40
26. Posted by Faith+1 | March 26, 2008 9:45 PM | Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Clear case of everyone exercising their rights. Barney exercised his right to act like an ass. Jay Tea exercised his right to treat him like one.
26. Posted by Faith+1 | March 26, 2008 9:45 PM |
Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 21:45
27. Posted by JLawson | March 26, 2008 10:03 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Herman -
Barney could have apologized. He could have backed down. He could (odd idea, this) actually have posted links to back up his accuations.
He chose not to - instead, flipping the metaphorical bird at the host when called on his rudeness. I see no obligation on Jay Tea's part to give him a full 24 hours, when it was quite clear what the response would be.
Or do you think that at 23 hours and 57 minutes, Barney would have posted a retraction?
I don't see it as unfair at all.
27. Posted by JLawson | March 26, 2008 10:03 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 22:03
28. Posted by HughS | March 26, 2008 10:10 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Jay
Olaf The Troll God's Hammer is wielded very carefully here. I recall Jimbo from B5's experience at KOS.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189677.php
And the question remains, who is more patient and tolerant? I recommend Goldberg's book on the Left to find the road to Fascism.
28. Posted by HughS | March 26, 2008 10:10 PM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 22:10
29. Posted by Clay | March 26, 2008 11:25 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Buh-bye, Barney. We hardly even knew ye. At least I hope.
29. Posted by Clay | March 26, 2008 11:25 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 23:25
30. Posted by Peter F. | March 26, 2008 11:53 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Back I go to The Underground. (And no, I don't mean the sewer.)
DU...sewer....same thing.
30. Posted by Peter F. | March 26, 2008 11:53 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 26, 2008 23:53
31. Posted by Larkin | March 27, 2008 12:00 AM | Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
RIP Barney. I'll miss you (even though no one else will).
I recall seeing a Spanish ad on MTV myself recently (not sure if it was that one). I remember being totally baffled by it since mi espanol es my pobre.
31. Posted by Larkin | March 27, 2008 12:00 AM |
Score: -4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 00:00
32. Posted by Sheik Yur Bouty | March 27, 2008 12:07 AM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
All I can say is....'bout freakin' time!
JT, you have the patience of Job. I'd have banned his sorry troll butt along time ago.
See ya, Barn. Can't say I'll miss ya.
32. Posted by Sheik Yur Bouty | March 27, 2008 12:07 AM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 00:07
33. Posted by Rob | March 27, 2008 12:31 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Ahem.
33. Posted by Rob | March 27, 2008 12:31 AM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 00:31
34. Posted by John Irving | March 27, 2008 12:49 AM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Taking odds on the over/under for Herman, set at t-minus one week.
34. Posted by John Irving | March 27, 2008 12:49 AM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 00:49
35. Posted by Jim Addison | March 27, 2008 12:58 AM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
I'm with Sheik Yur Bouty - what took ya so long? He wasn't here to discuss anything and didn't attempt to do so. He only wanted to drop troll bombs and hijack threads.
John Irving ~ I'll take the "over" on that one. Herman understands he can lie, distort, mislead, divert, and hijack without risk, so long as he avoids going over the top. He'll stay just within bounds, I believe. PLUS - our esteemed Wielder of the Hammer, having delivered a mighty blow, will step back for a time to allow it to sink in.
35. Posted by Jim Addison | March 27, 2008 12:58 AM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 00:58
36. Posted by Knightbrigade | March 27, 2008 4:38 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Taking part in Cassy's thread Barney had made a point, then he proceeded on a mission to be a pain in the ass. I called him on it, and he was warned by Jay. His response (in under 24 hrs *wink* Herman) was to..Keep walking right off the cliff...
As I said to nogo, same goes to Barney...
Bon--voyageeeee
36. Posted by Knightbrigade | March 27, 2008 4:38 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 04:38
37. Posted by Eric | March 27, 2008 4:39 AM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Meh. It's not like Barney added anything to the discussion. I was getting pretty tired of his "yeah, but... hey, look over there!" style of refuting well-thought-out posts.
37. Posted by Eric | March 27, 2008 4:39 AM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 04:39
38. Posted by Darby | March 27, 2008 5:04 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Actually, I went back and read the comments Jay, he did apologize sincerely for accusing you to be a girl. That part I truly believe was a typo(The calling you a girl part).
But it was quite obvious that he had no intention of apologizing, or proving with evidence, about the "lying her way out of it." part. Unless there was a comment in there that was removed that I didn't see. A comment deleted because of it's content.
Over all though, Good choice in breaking out the troll hammer.
38. Posted by Darby | March 27, 2008 5:04 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on March 27, 2008 05:04
39. Posted by WildWillie | March 27, 2008 7:23 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Wow! I did not know what my day would be like today, and low and behold, BG is no longer. I love spring. Way to go JT. ww
39. Posted by WildWillie | March 27, 2008 7:23 AM |