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Another One Bites The Dust

Yet another member of the Wizbang audience has been promoted to Commenter Emeritus. BarneyG2000 decided to challenge Cassy on the veracity of one of her pieces. Then, when she didn't respond by his 2-hour deadline (which he didn't even bother to announce ahead of time), he called her a liar and suggested that I could help her "lie her way out of this."

I felt kind of mellow, so I gave Barney a chance to back away from the cliff. I said he could have 24 hours to back up his accusations, withdraw them, or go elsewhere. He chose to instead add more personal insults.

He chose poorly.

Oh, well. His loss is our gain. I'm trying to remember the last time BarneyG2000 offered a single thing of substance or worth, but none comes to mind.

Remember: Wizbang is probably the most tolerant of dissenting comments of any big blog, but our patience is not infinite and commenting is a privilege, not a right. And that privilege can be revoked at any time, for any reason, or for no reason.

I like to think that we are exceptionally fair in using that club. (As the guy whose job it is to most frequently take up Olaf The Troll God's Hammer, I'm pretty proud that it spends so much time on the shelf of The Magic Box.) But there are a few sure-fire ways to get pounded with it. Making accusations such as lying against the authors, and refusing to back them up, is one way pretty much guaranteed to work. Offering nothing but personal insults against the authors is another.

Barney scored a double, and got squashed.

Olaf's Hammer is back on the shelf. Please let me leave it there for a while. My back ain't what it used to be.


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Comments (54)

Wizbang is probably the ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Wizbang is probably the most tolerant of dissenting comments of any big blog

It's true, and that's one of the reasons this is such an interesting site.

Bye Barney. Good riddance.

Btw Jay, I just did a search of his name, and boy does that goofball have no life. The first page of results yields comments on no less than eight different sites.

You just sent KOS the best ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

You just sent KOS the best author they will ever have.

BLOOD FOR ODIN!See... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

BLOOD FOR ODIN!

Seeya Barney. Please send a postcard or two from whatever planet your from.

your = "you're" PIM... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

your = "you're"
PIMF

You're right, Jay. I'd say... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

You're right, Jay. I'd say Barney's thread-jacking was more of a nuisance, almost as bad as...well...blog-hacking.

There is a God. And his nam... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

There is a God. And his name is Jay Tea.


(After I had the annoying experience of realizing Barney couldn't understand that when a paragraph or a sentence is italicized within an article by an author that that portion being excerpted is NOT in the author's words but in the document being cited (he based an entire argument around just the opposite), I tried not to get into conversations with the man.)

Actually I think his asshat... (Below threshold)
David:

Actually I think his asshatery was rather mild relative to other dung droppings he has dropped here. I assume the being a jerk is cumulative.

I guess it's for the best. ... (Below threshold)

I guess it's for the best. How are we supposed to exercise our brains if we're forever fighting with those who show up unarmed?

Like I miss Muirgeo, I shal... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Like I miss Muirgeo, I shall miss Barney. He tried his best to educate and enlighten the conservatives, with some of his posts being quite articulate and informative.

**************************************************
Back I go to The Underground. (And no, I don't mean the sewer.)

Herman, you're always welco... (Below threshold)

Herman, you're always welcome to start your own blog and invite them to join you. Personally, I don't miss them one damned bit.

Hell, track down and astigafa and nogo postal while you're at it.

J.

Good riddance. Although I ... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Good riddance. Although I shall miss the entertainment I have had spanking the incompetent.

"I felt kind of mellow, ... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I felt kind of mellow, so I gave Barney a chance to back away from the cliff. I said he could have 24 hours to back up his accusations, withdraw them, or go elsewhere. He chose to instead add more personal insults." -- Mr. Tea

THE READER IS INVITED TO NOTE THE TIMES STAMPED FOR MR. TEA'S WARNING, AND FOR MR. TEA'S FIRST DECLARATION OF BARNEY'S NEW EMERITUS STATUS:

"Barney, I'm feeling generous. You have 24 hours to back up your accusation against me, apologize for it, or find a new blog to infest.

J."

18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 4:34 AM

"Congratulations, Barney! You've been promoted to the exalted rank of Commenter Emeritus, joining the illustrious ranks of astigafa, muirgeo, and nogo postal among other worthies. I hope you enjoy bright future as some other blog's pain in the ass.

J."

22. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 12:35 PM

Doesn't it seem to you, dear reader, that the posts are only eight hours apart?

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Back Herman goes to The Underground.

Herman,From the or... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Herman,

From the original thread:

"Barney, I'm feeling generous. You have 24 hours to back up your accusation against me, apologize for it, or find a new blog to infest.

J.

18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 4:34 AM"

Considering that this post was at 7 PM on the following day, it's much more than 24 hours...

Herman, with his usual mend... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Herman, with his usual mendacity, omits to mention that Barney responded to Jay Tea's invitation with defiance.

Good job, Herman, showing your dishonesty.

Actually Herman, with a lit... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Actually Herman, with a little reading comprehension, you would realize that before Barney's 24 hours were up, he used his time to toss personal insults at Jay Tea, instead of civilly responding.

HermanMoveable typ... (Below threshold)

Herman

Moveable type has a little quirk that puts the time stamp on when the author begins the post, not when said author hits the publish post key.

With that in mind, I would say Jay started the post then held off until he knew for certain that Barney was not going to reply then went back and hit publish.

jpm100, it was not a lack o... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

jpm100, it was not a lack of reading comprehension, Herman did not miss Barney's comment. He omitted mentioning it intentionally. Herman has no integrity, no honesty and almost as much incompetence as Barney. Its why he's a fan of Barney.

SPQR has it right. No, I di... (Below threshold)

SPQR has it right. No, I did not wait 24 hours to pull the plug. I took Barney's insulting response to be a declaration that he had no intention of either backing up his accusation or withdrawing it, so I banished him.

Not a single regret about it, either.

J.

"Oh, well. His loss is o... (Below threshold)

"Oh, well. His loss is our gain. I'm trying to remember the last time BarneyG2000 offered a single thing of substance or worth, but none comes to mind."

His loss is definitely our gain, but the single thing of substance or worth he provided was getting permanently banned from the site.

"Btw Jay, I just did a sear... (Below threshold)
capital L:

"Btw Jay, I just did a search of his name, and boy does that goofball have no life. The first page of results yields comments on no less than eight different sites."


I can't tell if this is sarcasm? I visit more that 8 sites in a typical half an hour of web use, and I comment whenever the mood strikes me.

"I said he could have... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I said he could have 24 hours to back up his accusations, withdraw them, or go elsewhere. He chose to instead add more personal insults." -- Mr. Tea

"No, I did not wait 24 hours to pull the plug." -- Mr. Tea

That Mr. Tea, obviously a man of his word. NOT!!!

We've already learned all w... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

We've already learned all we need about your honesty, Herman.

Keep going, Herman. I'm ch... (Below threshold)

Keep going, Herman. I'm cheering for you to be next. Go ahead...call Jay Tea a liar, instead of just omitting key parts of his comments. I triple dog dare ya.

Herman, he had up to 24 hou... (Below threshold)

Herman, he had up to 24 hours to answer. Note that that is considerably longer than he gave Cassy. He chose to answer in less than that time.

And if you're bucking to join him, you're gonna have to do better. I don't take out Olaf's Hammer unless I really need to.

J.

Herman (!) queue Munsters..... (Below threshold)

Herman (!) queue Munsters...has a well deserved reputation here. His words and comments speak for it (him) quite well. I can't remember the last time it (Herman) articulated an argument beyond the level of troll dropping.

Clear case of everyone exer... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Clear case of everyone exercising their rights. Barney exercised his right to act like an ass. Jay Tea exercised his right to treat him like one.

Herman -Barney cou... (Below threshold)

Herman -

Barney could have apologized. He could have backed down. He could (odd idea, this) actually have posted links to back up his accuations.

He chose not to - instead, flipping the metaphorical bird at the host when called on his rudeness. I see no obligation on Jay Tea's part to give him a full 24 hours, when it was quite clear what the response would be.

Or do you think that at 23 hours and 57 minutes, Barney would have posted a retraction?

I don't see it as unfair at all.

JayOlaf The... (Below threshold)


Jay

Olaf The Troll God's Hammer is wielded very carefully here. I recall Jimbo from B5's experience at KOS.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189677.php

And the question remains, who is more patient and tolerant? I recommend Goldberg's book on the Left to find the road to Fascism.


Buh-bye, Barney. We hardly ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Buh-bye, Barney. We hardly even knew ye. At least I hope.

Back I go to The Undergr... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Back I go to The Underground. (And no, I don't mean the sewer.)

DU...sewer....same thing.

RIP Barney. I'll miss you ... (Below threshold)

RIP Barney. I'll miss you (even though no one else will).

I recall seeing a Spanish ad on MTV myself recently (not sure if it was that one). I remember being totally baffled by it since mi espanol es my pobre.

All I can say is....'bout f... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

All I can say is....'bout freakin' time!

JT, you have the patience of Job. I'd have banned his sorry troll butt along time ago.

See ya, Barn. Can't say I'll miss ya.

Remember: Wizbang ... (Below threshold)
Rob:
Remember: Wizbang is probably the most tolerant of dissenting comments of any big blog

Ahem.

Taking odds on the over/und... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

Taking odds on the over/under for Herman, set at t-minus one week.

I'm with Sheik Yur Bouty - ... (Below threshold)

I'm with Sheik Yur Bouty - what took ya so long? He wasn't here to discuss anything and didn't attempt to do so. He only wanted to drop troll bombs and hijack threads.

John Irving ~ I'll take the "over" on that one. Herman understands he can lie, distort, mislead, divert, and hijack without risk, so long as he avoids going over the top. He'll stay just within bounds, I believe. PLUS - our esteemed Wielder of the Hammer, having delivered a mighty blow, will step back for a time to allow it to sink in.

Taking part in Cassy's thre... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

Taking part in Cassy's thread Barney had made a point, then he proceeded on a mission to be a pain in the ass. I called him on it, and he was warned by Jay. His response (in under 24 hrs *wink* Herman) was to..Keep walking right off the cliff...

As I said to nogo, same goes to Barney...
Bon--voyageeeee

Meh. It's not like Barney ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Meh. It's not like Barney added anything to the discussion. I was getting pretty tired of his "yeah, but... hey, look over there!" style of refuting well-thought-out posts.

Actually, I went back and r... (Below threshold)
Darby:

Actually, I went back and read the comments Jay, he did apologize sincerely for accusing you to be a girl. That part I truly believe was a typo(The calling you a girl part).

But it was quite obvious that he had no intention of apologizing, or proving with evidence, about the "lying her way out of it." part. Unless there was a comment in there that was removed that I didn't see. A comment deleted because of it's content.

Over all though, Good choice in breaking out the troll hammer.

Wow! I did not know what my... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! I did not know what my day would be like today, and low and behold, BG is no longer. I love spring. Way to go JT. ww

I am an occasional visitor ... (Below threshold)
Paden Cash:

I am an occasional visitor here, have the site bookmarked. I have other blogs that are on my regular list, although there is no need to advertise for them. Your references to "buffy" made my day, and I will be baaack with much more regularity. Thank you.

Barney's rubble was chicken... (Below threshold)
914:

Barney's rubble was chicken scratch next to MAC44'S... Maybe He will find the time to clean Grandma's basement now? since He live's there anyway's.

He really is underground.

It's Christmas in March! I ... (Below threshold)

It's Christmas in March! I love it.

Barney infested the old Blogs for Bush, and it was very unpleasent to see that disagreeable [blank] show up here.

Never added anything to the discussion, not even in a fun way. The dude was mental. Continually using a starting point of "you're lying" is not debating. It's being a mean jerk.

Long overdue.

Au revoir, Barney!</... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Au revoir, Barney!

Thanks, Jay.

Other than DJ, Cassy is ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Other than DJ, Cassy is the least likely to due her due diligence, so I am not surprised.

He deserved the ejection for his inability to spell. Anyone can make a typing mistake, and I often do, but gee whiz.

Closer to the cliff edge, B... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Closer to the cliff edge, BarneyGoogle, closer!!

Oh well, a dim bulb doesn't burn as much electricity, saves energy and greenhouse gases, I suppose.

And YET ANOTHER puzzling th... (Below threshold)
Herman:

And YET ANOTHER puzzling thing about Mr. Tea's behavior, leading one to question his fairness.

Mr. Tea warns:
"Barney, I'm feeling generous. You have 24 hours to back up your accusation against me, [emphasis added] apologize for it, or find a new blog to infest.

J."
18. Posted by Jay Tea | March 25, 2008 4:34 AM

A few hours later, Barney concludes that he had been rude, and responds with his final post before being banned:
"You are right jay. I am sorry for accusing you of being a girl."

20. Posted by BarneyG2000 | March 25, 2008 9:03 AM

Note that there was no mention of Cassy in Mr. Tea's post, that concern bizarrely came later. Mr. Tea threatened poor Barney with banishment unless Mr. Tea got an apology, Mr. Tea got his apology, and then with glee Mr. Tea banished poor Barney anyway.

Does that not strike you as being unfair, dear reader?

"Does that not strike yo... (Below threshold)

"Does that not strike you as being unfair, dear reader?"

You are completely out of your pea-sized mind.

Actually, Herman, the most ... (Below threshold)

Actually, Herman, the most important lesson to be learned from this is this:

I. Don't. Bluff.

I am extremely reluctant to take out Olaf's Hammer and threaten to ban someone. That is because I know that the very first time I make that threat and don't carry it out, my authority is history. I have invested far too much of my time and my energy into developing that authority to throw it away.

And that is precisely why I have not threatened you with banning. You are mildly annoying. Every other single person here gets the point -- Barney accused Cassy of lying, dragged me into his little hissy-fit, got my attention, crossed the line of acceptable behavior, and responded to my warning with what JLawson so perfectly described as a flipping of the bird.

So I brought the Hammer down.

It's back on the shelf, Herman, and it's going to stay there until I see someone else cross the line.

You are edging in the direction of that line, but you're nowhere near enough to it to provoke a warning. A fact of which I'm sure you're well aware.

You'll have to find someone else to help you fulfill your martyr complex, Herman. Olaf's hammer is heavy as hell, and you aren't worth my picking it up again so soon.

J.

*Sending Herman a "Whammmbu... (Below threshold)
Ran56:

*Sending Herman a "Whammmbulance*

Herman is still lying inten... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Herman is still lying intentionally, now bizarrely claiming that Barney's comment was an actual apology.

Good riddance to bad rubbis... (Below threshold)
Wanderlust:

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I do so hope the door left ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

I do so hope the door left a deep bruise...

Herman whined:<blockq... (Below threshold)

Herman whined:

Does that not strike you as being unfair, dear reader?

Judging by those who have spoken up in this thread, Herman, I'd have to say your answer is "no."

And no, I haven't edited, censored, deleted, unpublished, or in any other way any comments on this thread. The people have spoken, it seems -- and they think you're an idiot.

Vox populi, vox dei.

J.

Herman, why don't you just ... (Below threshold)

Herman, why don't you just drop the pretense and say "look at me!! Look at me!!"




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