"A conservative American political organization, founded 1958 to fight a growing threats to the Constitution of the United States. Especially a suspected Communist infiltration of the United States government, and to support individual rights and capitalist property relations.

Promotes view of history and current events that links political, social, and ideological trends to a variety of global, and sometimes globalist, agendas.

Organization dedicated to restoring and preserving freedom under the United States Constitution.

Its mission is to achieve "Less Government, More Responsibility, and -- With God's Help -- a Better World."

Formed as an educational organization and does not endorse candidates but has often come out against political figures seen as un-American." - wiki

Wow, does not sound distorted at all...

Another loser attacking the John Birch Society while ignoring all these politicians that piss on the Constitution and send 4,000 young Americans to die for a blatant interventionist lie.

Buckley got into a little tug-o-war with Robert Welch, founder of JBS. (Buckley had been an admirer and member himself for a while.) They both tried to kick each other out of or take over each other's organizations. Buckley won that little battle so it's no surprise Buckley is blamed. You don't know your history well enough.

Your knowledge of JBS is also suspect. I'm not a member but there's certainly a great deal of merit to their positions.

Mr. Addison,
What motivates you to write this article?
Freddi L

Freddi, I won't speak for Mr. Addison, but let me tell you why I would have written it:

Because the JBS violates one of the fundamental rules of human behavior: "never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Or ignorance, or laziness, or any of a host of other human failings.

Not everything is a Commie plot, and not everyone who denies it is a Commie or a dupe. And shouting the converse only makes the JBS look like what it is: a pathetic group of paranoid, self-important gits who don't even make a good laughingstock any more.

J.

is it the fault of the jbs that we're 9 trillion in debt. have a horrible school system, have three liberals to choose for president, stuck in Iraq, lost vietnam, 20 million illegals, lost almost all manufacturing, becoming a police state. I guess for people like you truth don't mean much.

You know, I was wondering what would happen to all the Ronulans who would descend on comment threads and attack any real or perceived insult to the Paulster.

I guess they're back.

I blame fluoridation.

How about this:

On Mar. 26, the Future of Freedom Foundation announced that 10-term Congressman and two-time presidential candidate Ron Paul is the first winner of its new Lifetime Achievement Award for Advancing Liberty.

The Future of Freedom Foundation (FFF) is a nonprofit advocacy group based in Fairfax, VA. Its mission is "to advance freedom by providing an uncompromising moral and economic case for individual liberty, free markets, private property, and a limited government." It is best known for its journal, Freedom Daily.

Ron Paul will receive his award at the FFF's upcoming conference, "Restoring the Republic 2008: Foreign Policy and Civil Liberties," being held June 6-8 (Friday morning through Sunday night) in Reston, VA. The award will be presented at the Friday night dinner. Dr. Paul will also speak that night, on "A Foreign Policy of Freedom."

Says FFF founder and president Jacob Hornberger: "I can't tell you how pleased we are that Ron has agreed to speak at this year's conference. At least year's conference, he and Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano electrified the audience with their Sunday night talks. Since then, as everyone knows Ron has shaken the foundation of the political world with his race for the Republican presidential nomination."

New York Times columnist Stephen Kinzer (author of All the Shah's Men) and Boston University professor Andrew J. Bacevich (author of American Empire) will also speak Friday evening "in conjunction with" Dr. Paul.

Other scheduled conference speakers include Glenn Greenwald, Robert Higgs, Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Justin Raimondo, and Lew Rockwell.

The price of the 3-day event, held at the Hyatt Regency Reston, is $495, which includes all meals (breakfast, lunch, and dinner) during the 3 days plus admission to all 20 speeches. Those interested can register by phoning 703-934-6101 or by visiting the conference website at http://www.fff.org/conference2008/index.htm.

When I go to ZombieTime and other websites and see the photographs of the communists, socialists, militant atheists, racists, man hating feminists, reconquista fanatics and Democrats marching, demonstrating, rioting and sitting together in panel discussions, I remember these words, "It is far better to have the right enemies, than the wrong friends."

I only know one member of the John Birch Society personally, and he wanted me to pray for Timothy McVeigh, the great patriot, after his execution. I prayed for his victims instead that night, and the minimal reputation of the John Birch Society died with their "patriot". Tolerance and acceptance of evil is not a good.

"Because the JBS violates one of the fundamental rules of human behavior: "

you sound like a commie to me dude.

but i doubt you're smart enough to be carrying any plot.

When those who are objectively challenged say "I blame fluoridation" they demonstrate only their true ignorance. Those who know about fluoridation, would never make such a statement. Because the full extent of the damage being caused to the soft tissues of the human body by this uncontrolled experiment in mass medication with a chemical which has never been approved by the FDA for human consumption are not being monitored. Learn more by looking up the Bassin study on osteosarcoma in boys published in 2006.

William King - No, there a too few John Bircher's to have hurt this great Nation in the ways you listed. That is why the JBS should not let nut cases like the guy I know be members. Conservatism needs a voice. It is important the that voice be a rational one. The world has enough imams without the fringes in this country producing our own.

i have a feeling the John Birch Society doesn't really give a shit what you think.

the nutcases here are you guys worrying about an obscure organization. it's really reminiscent of a Midwest farmer abducted for alien experimentation.

Tlay Canner IV (I've disguised your name so 'they' won't know we're talking)

How do you know it isn't the fluoride that makes you believe the things you do? You've been exposed to fluoride, now your brain is tricked into thinking fluoride is bad for you. Think about it. But don't think about it too much, because the fluoride will know you're thinking about it and will start making trouble.

I think fluoride also dissolves the funny bone in humans, making it difficult for fluoro-victims to recognize a humorous throwaway line in a thread talking about krayzee people.

Or maybe fluoride really is bad for us. But until non-crazypants people start talking about it, normal people will neither know nor care.

The only "conspiracy" Paul believes in is the NAU.
That's not a "tin foil wearing hat" type of conspiracy, I don't believe.

The JBS is extreme on positions, but I'd rather endorse them than an organization that promotes death and destruction. But nah, let us point at them and call them a bunch of crazies. Fox, continue that war drum of yours! You do good!

How journalism works.

You're told to link the name of a person to be stigamtised with a key word. In the case of Ron Paul the word is 'nutty'. By repetition this link becomes fixed in the minds of all readers. It's a form of psychological conditioning, the verbal form of educating Pavlov's dogs.

As Iam sane, I can tell that Ron Paul is sane. All the other candidates are nutty. Journalists who say that Ron Paul is nutty are bought and paid for by the CIA dirty tricks department.

We have 3 LIBERAL choices running for President in 2008. All three should be running for the nomination of the democrat party. And can someone please tell me the difference between a liberal and a neo-con. Both are leading the country down the fast track to bankruptcy.
What is fascinating about the Ron Paul Critics is their inability to connect the dots between interventionism and economic disaster. They pay lip service to our constitution while they rape our heritage. And McCain is the leader of the pack...Keating 5, McCain-Feingold, McCain Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy....is there McCain-Republican anywhere?

Hi Jim. Here's some advice for you. You might want to consider, just consider, being less concerned with guilt by association and more with the content of ideas. Otherwise, people might just start associating YOU with America's unprofessional and manipulative media. Ideas, Jim. Ideas! You sound like such a child when you call others names because of their associations.

Paul is not quite as vile as David Duke, but when he's courting the JBS, he's in the neighborhood.

My knowledge of the John Birch Society is pretty much limited to what I just read in their entry over at Wikipedia. Maybe you can clue me in - how is the JBS comparable to David Duke?

^^^^^^

hahaha: this last guy here is using word association right now. funny stuff

Yeah, yeah, "everybody knows" the JBS is all wackos, conspiracy nuts, and racists.
Hmmm ... come to think of it, that's the same smears that some people have been trying, for a few months now, to make sure "everybody knows" about Ron Paul as well.
Do you really think that any of his supporters are too obtuse to spot the very same smear campaign when it's done to someone else?

Great Job Jim.

Res Ipsa Loquitor.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that has exposed the mortgage crisis has cost the American taxpayer a documented minimum of $200 billion in recent bail outs from the federal reserve. This excludes the debasement of our currency, the dollar.
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
To put that into perspective, the Iraq war has cost the American taxpayer $507 billion thus far.
ADDITIONALLY, The total market capitalization of the stocks like Bear Stearns, CountryWide , Merrill Lynch, and CitiGroup was a massive decline in shareholder value..most of those shareholders are people just like you and I, .. holding those securities in their retirement accounts.
Executives managing those financial service mills enticed and pushed legions of unscrupulous young professionals to make very bad loans to very bad credit risks on very illiquid properties. Those money brokers were given fat commissions. Those executives pushed their stock prices and the leveraged stock options to highly inflated and false prices based on phony earnings. Those executives knew that they were creating a pyramid scheme and were acting in bad faith.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?Symbol=%2feurus&CP=0&PT=10
The federal reserve continued to print money, artificially hold interest rates low, very low and debase the currency since 2002 to create liquidity for their buddies in the banking and brokerage industry..
Now that the currency has been debased 40 to 60 % ,yours and my entire net worth and purchasing power has also been debased because it was all done with borrowed money. Remember , these banker / broker types did their dirty work while America was at war.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/industries/finance/article/reasons-wall-street-dodges-regulation-gambles-future_541756_9.html
Now that egregious and irreparable harm has been done to the American economy by the Ponzi schemers on Wall Street and the banking industry, they are using the Chairman of the Federal Reserve to hold your attention with smoke and mirrors while they sneak out the back door with your net worth.
Illustration ; A $10 million dollar ranch in the eyes of those who follow the currency markets is now a $4 to 6 million dollar ranch in the eyes of those who understand the Jihad declared on and the 6 year debasement of Americas' currency.
Those responsible got off scott free and the Chairman of George Bush's Federal Reserve made good on their escape.
Ron Paul is the ONLY fiscal conservative running for President.

Gee, just throw in a comment about the Trilateral Commission, and we can really get this thread going!

Well, this post had the secret words "Ron Paul" that are guaranteed to bring out the loons.

Who is this dumbass Jim Addison? Just take a look at his archives and the simplistic nature of his writing; I've seen 5th graders with a public education write better. This guy is truly a moron who shouldn't be attacking any organization. He's carries as much weight as the pimple on my ass.

"Read the full post at the link provided. I'm with Neil. Paul is not quite as vile as David Duke, but when he's courting the JBS, he's in the neighborhood. Let him stay and play with those he more closely agrees with."

I no longer read anything at Red State. After having read more than enough sophomoric ad-hominem attacks and ill-considered slurs, I found too little of value at that site to continue. The main contributors at Red State appear to be terrified of Ron Paul's call to step back from an interventionist policy, so they hysterically attack the man and his associations.

I can't blame them really, terrorism affects everyone differently. Some become terrified. Some become mindlessly belligerent towards entire sections of the planet's population. Still others actually consider the causes and culprits and seek measured and effective responses.

So, in quoting Red State's hysterical ad-hominems and vague associative slurs, what specifically about Ron Paul's stances are "vile" to you? Any details available? Any based on the policies he proposes at his web site?

Surely, you're not simply parroting pathetic generalized personal slurs of the man and his associations when there are hundreds of position papers he's written that are readily available on the internet for discussion...

I just read that wiki. How can I join the John Birch society? They seem to be the only ones left that have not lost their minds.

Please, everyone, just read the Wikipedia, Ron Paul and JBS websites and all will be revealed to you. Really. A glass of Kool-Aid will help to get you to see the lieght.

The John Birch Society, it sounds so scary because they hate communists, I guess? I think that's why you call Ron Paul vile? Because he likes an organization that hates communists? Sounds scary and vile. Maybe, I should call the TSA for you and report them for advocating extremism and violent radicalization? Everyone knows, that advocating the orginal intent of the constitution is extremism and may lead to violence. Those crazy Birchers and Paulians have to be stopped, before they take over. It's contagious too, they need to be quarantined to keep their vile hatred away from others.

Neil Stevens is obviously a State 'plant'. No reporter worth his salt could make such statements with no supporting documentation or references. It's obvious he has not studied or objectively researched JBS. My history teacher in high school constantly criticized JBS. Years later I independently researched JBS and was shocked at how patriotic they have always been. My teacher turned out to be a closet Socialist. Regards, john castleberry

I just read that wiki. How can I join the John Birch society? They seem to be the only ones left that have not lost their minds.

Enter at your own risk, Bill. I used to be a member, back in the 90s and even after I left, kept in touch with acquaintances until late 2001.

I joined because I agree that the UN should be kicked out of this country posthaste, and I stayed because I came to agree that it's no coincidence that what Brzezinski suggested as a path to world government (regional governments) is being implemented in the form of the EU which was originally proposed as a trade organization and is now governmental, the African Union, and eventually the NAU. Plot, or just the natural evolution of government or a combination, who knows? Regardless of the reason it's happening, I'm against it, and JBS was the only organization speaking out about it.

BUT (and it's a BIG but) the fact is that if you join you're going to surround yourself with troofers, people who believe the moon landing was a hoax, plane contrails are poisonous and their use is a plot, and a whole lot more. Whatever JBS may have been in the 80s (and I understand that it was far-right, but sane back then) it has certainly changed. It wasn't worth it to be around and associated with nut jobs like that, so I left.

so what do you think of the Gulf of Tonkin?

Heh.

And I thought I'd never get a chance to put all that B.F. Skinner stuff to practical use . . .

;-)

For those persons who posted favorable messages in this thread about the John Birch Society, you might want to read the following 65-page Report which is based upon first-time released FBI files and documents pertaining to the JBS and its arguments.

The Report explains why FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and his top subordinates routinely described the JBS in FBI memos as "irrational", "extremist", "irresponsible", "fanatics" and "lunatic fringe".

JBS Report Chapters 1 thru 4: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1

(1) FBI Evaluations of Robert Welch and the John Birch Society including a brief introduction to the controversy of Robert Welch's book-length "private letter" entitled The Politician.

(2) FBI vs JBS on Internal Security Status of U.S.

(3) FBI vs JBS on Communist Infiltration of Clergy and Religious Institutions

(4) FBI vs JBS on Communists in the Department of Health, Education, Welfare

JBS Report, Chapter 5: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-2

(5) FBI vs JBS on Dr. Harry A. Overstreet as a Communist Sympathizer or Dupe

JBS Report, Chapters 6-7: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-3

(6) FBI vs. JBS on Civil Rights Movement -- including Alan Stang's 1965 book, It's Very Simple, and, Highlander Folk School as a "Communist Training School"

(7) FBI vs JBS on Persons JBS Claims To Be "Experts" on Communism

(includes discussion of Dan Smoot, W. Cleon Skousen, David Gumaer, Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes, among others)