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Bush 43 and Pope Benedict XVI

Here's a link to a transcript of their remarks at the White House's welcoming ceremony.

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For my money the best quote from the president was:

In a world where some no longer believe that we can distinguish between simple right and wrong, we need your message to reject this 'dictatorship of relativism,' and embrace a culture of justice and truth.

Now, that's a statement with which any real conservative -- Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, agnostic or atheist, etc. -- strongly can agree.

My favorite part of the Pope's remarks:

[F]reedom is ever new. It is a challenge held out to each generation, and it must constantly be won over for the cause of good. Few have understood this as clearly as the late Pope John Paul II. In reflecting on the spiritual victory of freedom over totalitarianism in his native Poland and in Eastern Europe, he reminded us that history shows time and again that 'in a world without truth, freedom loses its foundation,' and a democracy without values can lose its very soul.

For those readers too young or too indoctrinated to know what a crucial role Pope John Paul II played in the necessary evisceration of Soviet-style leftism -- along with Reagan, Thatcher, Walesa and Mulroney, of course -- it's worth an independent study outside the sphere of leftist academia and the liberal media. It might just be the most daring post-WWII geopolitical story ever told.


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Reagan and Thatcher in the ... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Reagan and Thatcher in the West, Walesa and Sakharov in the East, and John Paul II in the Vatican.

In a world where s... (Below threshold)
Brian:
In a world where some no longer believe that we can distinguish between simple right and wrong, we need your message

Now, that's a statement with which any real conservative ... strongly can agree.

That's good to hear. Because the Pope's "message" is:

On one occasion before the war, he was asked whether it would be just. "Certainly not," he said, and explained that the situation led him to conclude that "the damage would be greater than the values one hopes to save."

"nothing positive comes from Iraq"

"There were not sufficient reasons to unleash a war against Iraq."

So let's hear all the real conservatives get behind that message!

I think 40M Iraqis might di... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

I think 40M Iraqis might disagree with the pope.

For those readers ... (Below threshold)
For those readers too young or too indoctrinated to know what a crucial role Pope John Paul II played in the necessary evisceration of Soviet-style leftism -- along with Reagan, Thatcher, Walesa and Mulroney, of course -- it's worth an independent study outside the sphere of leftist academia and the liberal media. It might just be the most daring post-WWII geopolitical story ever told.

Here's a good telling of that story. I highly recommend that book, Architects Of Victory: Six Heroes of the Cold War.

I think 40M Iraqis might... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I think 40M Iraqis might disagree with the pope.

Wow, that's a pretty good trick, considering the population of Iraq is 25M. Although 134M Americans might agree with the Pope. So if you're going to base it on the numbers, who are you going to listen to? 15M non-existent Iraqis, or 134M Americans?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Jayson says conservatives should be behind the Pope's message, regardless of what the imaginary Iraqis think.

From the dawn of the Republ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

From the dawn of the Republic, America's quest for freedom has been guided by the conviction that the principles governing political and social life are intimately linked to a moral order based on the dominion of God the Creator. The framers of this nation's founding documents drew upon this conviction when they proclaimed the self-evident truth that all men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights grounded in the laws of nature and of nature's God.
... God bless America.
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Given that Brian is a water carrier for Obama, he must disagree with the pope here and agree with Obama and his chosen pastor, Jeremy Wright in damning America.

Now you're bringing Obama i... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Now you're bringing Obama into it? Don't be a nitwit.

Brian,Just because... (Below threshold)
Rodney:

Brian,

Just because someone is a conservative doesn't mean they always agree with someone else who is a conservative.

Jason was referring to the fact that the Pope has core values and stands by them.

LoveAmerica,... (Below threshold)
dr lava:

LoveAmerica,

This "God" you reference, is it the "other Father" Bush sought guidance from when he invaded Iraq?

If your imaginary friend "God" did maintain a "moral order" was it his advice to lie about aluminum tubes and mobile chemical weapons labs? Or was it Cheney who pulled these lies directly from his ass?

People that believe in imaginary beings are not pious and reverent they are loony.

People that believe in imag... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

People that believe in imaginary beings are not pious and reverent they are loony
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Thanks for speaking about yourself and the looneys who are enabling the terrorists who are blowing up women/children for 72 virgins in an imaginary being in an imaginary place. BTW, do you still talk to the people in places where America is feared more than AlQ. Maybe you agree with AlQuaeda and not the pope.

Now you're bringing Obama into it? Don't be a nitwit.
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And you are the typical less than honest troll again. What part of this speech from the Pope do you agree and disagree with? Do you agree with the Pope here?

"For my money the best quot... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"For my money the best quote from the president was:
In a world where some no longer believe that we can distinguish between simple right and wrong, we need your message to reject this 'dictatorship of relativism,' and embrace a culture of justice and truth."-jj

You do realize that the pederast Cardinal Law is now in charge of the Curia's Pontifical Council for the Family...don't you? (Of course you don't.)

Meanwhile Bush promotes the Man in the Red Prada Shoes* to "Our(sic) Holy Father(sic)".

*The red Prada shoes factoid is, AMAZINGLY, a bit of Vatican-generated PR. In case one's gaydar is in the shop.

Oh, I see Lava and BryanD w... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Oh, I see Lava and BryanD wish that Carter is still the president so that he can invite Hamas leader to the WH instead of the pope.

"God damn America" -... (Below threshold)

"God damn America" - Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama

"God bless America" - Pope Benedict XVI and President George W. Bush

The choice is clear enough.

"People that believe in ima... (Below threshold)
SFTrooper:

"People that believe in imaginary beings are not pious and reverent they are loony..."

Kinda like believing global warming is caused by man.

Only difference is one can get you eternity, the other destroys peoples prosperity.

Always fun to watch the leftbats come flying out of the KOS closet when the pope or other religious issue comes to the forefront (except islam, of course. Need to ignore that one.)

"People that believe in ima... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

"People that believe in imaginary beings are not pious and reverent they are loony..."
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Lava believes in the "normality" and "rationality" of genocide/ killing fields in building atheistic communist utopia. Just like living in the swamp for so long makes fresh air imaginary.

"God damn America" - Jer... (Below threshold)
Brian:

"God damn America" - Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama

Oh, so now you have to stoop to falsely attributing that quote to Obama, eh? Tell you what... I promise not to vote for Wright.

Just because someone is ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Just because someone is a conservative doesn't mean they always agree with someone else who is a conservative.

No one said that. The subject is a concrete statement that Jayson quoted.

Jason was referring to the fact that the Pope has core values and stands by them.

Sorry, but no he wasn't. He excerpted a direct quote, and made a direct reference to it.

Oh, so now you have to stoo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

Oh, so now you have to stoop to falsely attributing that quote to Obama, eh? Tell you what... I promise not to vote for Wright.
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Oh, yes Obama does need the Kool-Aid drinkers to spin for him that he chose to attend Wright 's church for 20 years and embrace Wright as a mentor without embracing his view. We all know that Obama can "spin" as well as Bill Clinton and his Kool-Aid drinkers will happily do the work for him as they have done for Bill Clinton.

The contrast betweenn the love for America displayed for America clearly contrast with the view of Michelle, Obama, and Wright. But we that which view the Kool-Aid drinkers agree with.

BTW, one interesting fact i... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica, Immigrant:

BTW, one interesting fact is that in his speech on race, Obama couldn't even say "God bless America". The pope sounds like a huge fan of America and that seems to upset liberals.




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