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Who do white men hate more, blacks or women?

That is the question posed by Nora Ephron -- the writer who gave us such sappy movies as "You've Got Mail", "Sleepless in Seattle", and "When Harry Met Sally". (Emphasis mine, of course.)

... But now there are two and we're facing Pennsylvania and whom are we kidding? This is an election about whether the people of Pennsylvania hate blacks more than they hate women. And when I say people, I don't mean people, I mean white men. How ironic is this? After all this time, after all these stupid articles about how powerless white men are and how they can't even get into college because of overachieving women and affirmative action and mean lady teachers who expected them to sit still in the third grade even though they were all suffering from terminal attention deficit disorder -- after all this, they turn out (surprise!) to have all the power. (As they always did, by the way; I hope you didn't believe any of those articles.)

To put it bluntly, the next president will be elected by them: the outcome of Tuesday's primary will depend on whether they go for Hillary or Obama, and the outcome of the general election will depend on whether enough of them vote for McCain. A lot of them will: white men cannot be relied on, as all of us know who have spent a lifetime dating them. And McCain is a compelling candidate, particularly because of the Torture Thing. As for the Democratic hope that McCain's temper will be a problem, don't bet on it. A lot of white men have terrible tempers, and what's more, they think it's normal.

If Hillary pulls it out in Pennsylvania, and she could, and if she follows it up in Indiana, she can make a credible case that she deserves to be the candidate; these last primaries will show which of the two Democratic candidates is better at overcoming the bias of a vast chunk of the population that has never in its history had to vote for anyone but a candidate who could have been their father or their brother or their son, and who has never had to think of the president of the United States as anyone other than someone they might have been had circumstances been just slightly different.

Hillary's case is not an attractive one, because what she'll essentially be saying (and has been saying, although very carefully) is that she can attract more racist white male voters than Obama can. Nonetheless, and as I said, she has a case.


Holy Christ Almighty. Where to even begin.

I think it's fair that Ephron is saying in this piece that white males are dumb, angry, racist, sexist, and unreliable, and only are in positions of power because they are white males. Can we all be in agreement on that?

Good. Because it's all crap.

Why is it that liberals think that, if white men decide not to vote for Obama, it means they HATE black people? Or that if they don't vote for Hillary, they HATE women? Did it ever occur to them that they, like all intelligent people in the United States, don't like their politics? Gee, what a thought.

And what's interesting is how Ephron sneers at the "suffering" white men receive at the hands of mean women, and points out how these white men are "somehow" able to rise above affirmative action, feminism, and the myriad of benefits handed to minorities simply for... being a minority. The difference, my dear Nora, is that most white men don't see themselves as victims. A lot -- but not all -- of minorities, feminists, and liberals do. Therefore, when white men are presented with overwhelming obstacles, they find a way to overcome them. A lot of people who are women and/or minorities do this, too, but it doesn't fit into the "WHITE MEN IN POWER!!" screed.

It's called being in charge of your own life, and not letting anyone stand in the way of achieving your goals but yourself -- liberal victims should try it some time, rather than relying on government programs to give them the world.

And yes, this next election will be decided mainly by white men. They are the largest voting block. In a democratic society, that is the way it works. If the largest voting block was Hispanic women, then Hispanic women would decide. You can't force equality in the amount of people who vote -- although I'm sure liberals would love to. In the name of fairness, of course! To make sure minority voices are heard, they'd be more than happy to silence white male majority voices.

Right, Nora?

But, of course, we can't rely upon white men to do anything except, apparently, keep minorities and women down. And we women know this having dated them.

Nora, if you're reading this, I want you to repeat this after me five hundred times. Actually, just keep repeating it until it sinks into that hate-filled little brain of yours.

MEN. ARE. NOT. THE. ENEMY.

I don't know if you're single or not, but Nora honey, if you are, it isn't because men are unreliable scum. It's probably because you hate men and your insane ideas of what men should be send them running away from you screaming. If you are married to a white man, well... I'd be curious about how it is your husband lives with someone who apparently thinks so lowly of all white men.

And I hate to break it to you, but white men are not the only ones with awful tempers. In fact, I'd argue that women are worse than men are in the temper department. They may not be able to hit as hard or yell as loud, but women are malicious. They're vindictive. They don't forget anything. The quote "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" is in existence for a reason. Piss off a woman, and she will want to make your life a living hell. Settling the dispute won't be good enough, oh no. This is because most women are, quite frankly, vindictive bitches -- ask any twelve-year-old girl which sex is more cruel. I dare you. And that's probably because most women are more emotional than men are. Men can be more logical; when they're in an argument, most of them are able to keep their emotions out of it. A lot of women can't.

I really don't understand the man-hating that goes on so prevalently. Why are white men looked at so much as the enemy? You can say they're "in power", but there are white male CEOs and white male blue collar workers. It isn't like every white man looks like the Monopoly guy, living in some ivory tower, pointing and laughing at the brutal sufferings of his female and minority slaves. What reality do these people live in?

Rachel wonders if it hurts to see the world that way, and kinda hopes so. I really hope so. How awesome would it be if this kind of hate, stupidity, and ignorance was painful?

I know I'd laugh.

Hat Tip: Rachel Lucas


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Comments (38)

Maybe 3rd time was not a ch... (Below threshold)
Maggie:

Maybe 3rd time was not a charm.


"So many of the conscious and unconscious ways men and women treat each other
have to do with romantic and sexual fantasies that are deeply ingrained, not just in
society but in literature. The women's movement may manage to clean up the mess
in society, but I don't know whether it can ever clean up the mess in our minds."

--Nora Ephron

A very ugly outlook on life.

Edit:
Meant to add she's been married three times, and is
married now. Wonder if she married white men.

you hit that out of the bal... (Below threshold)
1903A3:

you hit that out of the ball park cassy,women sure can be nasty. you never truly know a woman untill you meet her in court. :)

I find it strange but notew... (Below threshold)
pgg:

I find it strange but noteworthy to reflect on the missing demographic in Ms. Ephron's essay.

She says "this is an election about whether the people of Pennsylvania hate blacks more than they hate women. And when I say people, I don't mean people, I mean white men."

But what's missing here? There's an important qualifier that been left out of the demographic description. Am I the only who who's noticed? I can't possibly be...

According to my viewing of this election, the key cultural decision on the table for Ms. Ephron is not being decided by conservatives, is it?

Isn't she really saying this is an election about whether the Democrats of Pennsylvania hate blacks more than they hate women? And when I say Democrats, I don't mean Democrats, I mean tolerant, inclusive liberals.

Of course, her husband is <... (Below threshold)
langtry:

Of course, her husband is different. He turned his balls in to her the moment the exchanged rings.

Actually, I hate stupid, ar... (Below threshold)
Gocougs:

Actually, I hate stupid, arrogant people much more than blacks or women. Especially elitists like Nora Ephron.

Since all the white guys sh... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Since all the white guys shes been dating are west coast liberals I can actaully see where she is coming from ...
But ...
What an ignorant fool ...

Be-Clowned ...

I'm curious Nora, what are ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

I'm curious Nora, what are the statistics on fatherless white children ? I seem to remember something about fatherless kids recently ...

Kinda sounds "bitter", does... (Below threshold)
Gizmo:

Kinda sounds "bitter", doesn't she???

Why is it that lib... (Below threshold)
Gizmo:
Why is it that liberals think that, if white men decide not to vote for Obama, it means they HATE black people? Or that if they don't vote for Hillary, they HATE women?

This calls to mind an interview with Spike Lee that appeared in Rolling Stone in the early 1990's. In it he was railing about racism and pointed to then recently completed William Kennedy Smith and Mike Tyson rape trials. Lee held these events up as Exhibit A as showing the racism of our society because "They took the word of a white man and dismissed the word of a black man." The interviewer then turned the tables on Spike and said "But if the verdicts were reversed, couldn't you then argue that the jury believed the testimony of a white woman and disbelieved the statements of a black woman???" Lee's response was basically profanity.

99% of Americans are straig... (Below threshold)

99% of Americans are straight...
76% of Americans are White...
48% of Americans are Male...

So Straight White Males are a true minority in that they only make up 36% of the population.

So... if Straight White Males own and control everything... maybe it's because they are just better then everyone else?

Maybe the habits of these "... (Below threshold)

Maybe the habits of these "Straight White Males" should be emulated rather then reviled as a sure path to success in life?

It makes one wonder why Nor... (Below threshold)

It makes one wonder why Nora Ephron doesn't "cling" to religion and guns.

Kinda sounds "bitter", d... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:

Kinda sounds "bitter", doesn't she???

Kinda sounds like she's overcompensating for racism and stupidity she hears in her own mind.


Why is it that liberals ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Why is it that liberals think that, if white men decide not to vote for Obama, it means they HATE black people? Or that if they don't vote for Hillary, they HATE women?

It's really simple: Because it's the perfect "damned if you, damned if you don't" argument libs can make against conservatives. It's petty and juvenile and has no zero substance or thought, but it's an oft-used and disappointingly successful tactic by the left to stereotype and demean any one who disagrees with them on a particular policy or candidate.

Me? I'm an equal opportunity hater of their politics, regardless of race or gender.

If 52% of the population is... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

If 52% of the population is female, wouldn't that make them the majority?

According to polls the vast majority of blacks are voting for Obama. The Majority of white women vote for Hillary. White males are moving back and forth between the candidates. Does this mean that blacks are being racist and white females are being sexist?

Let me see if I've got Ephr... (Below threshold)
sanssoucy:

Let me see if I've got Ephron's retarded point straight. If I'm a white male residing in PA, I have my choice of exactly two options:

(1) Vote for Obama, and be confirmed as a sexist, misogynist troglodyte.

(2) Vote for Clinton, and be confirmed as a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan.

Gawrsh. Heads I lose, tails I lose. Almost as though Ephron's scenario were tailored that way.

Whew! I guess this means t... (Below threshold)

Whew! I guess this means that us white females of Pennsylvania are safe. That's a load off of my mind!

She's an ass braying in the desert that is liberal thought. Perhaps if we ignore her, she will go away.

This is America and everyon... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

This is America and everyone is free to hate the shit out of whomever they choose. I personally don't have any real strong gender/ethnic/religious biases even though I do on occassion enjoy humor that involves historical (hysterical?) stereotypes.

Like the one about the priest, the rabbi, the Mexican, the black, the redneck, and Jayne Mansfield. There's this shipwreck, see, and a priest, a rabbi, a Mexican, a black, a Chinaman, a redneck and Jayne Mansfield all end up in one of the lifeboats. After a couple of days, the black guy jumps up and...

The point is that we white males are pikers when it comes to "having all the power." You think some Saudi man ever has to endure anything like Nora's shrill belly-aching? We can't even keep Madonna out of the public consciousness.

What happened to the white patriarchal power structure? "Ooh, we don't want to upset the wife. We're afraid." Well not me.

What about blacks? We've ceded superiority in all the major professional sports - except the NHL and NASCAR. I saw my Uncle Clem and Aunt Maevis dancing to "Bust a Move" at a wedding. Will Smith is America's biggest non-Scientology-tainted action movie star.

We white males are the only acceptable targets of comedy and slurs left in America. Nobody's going to vote for President Candy Ass. If the worst thing that ever happens to a black or woman is to be hated by some anonymous slack-jawed yokel and they can't hack it, how are they going to deal with the people in this world who REALLY hate America and Americans?

All you can do is just wait until we white men take over the grievance industry.

Where do I get my "I'm Sorr... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Where do I get my "I'm Sorry" pin to wear when I go out in public ...

One of the keys to a serene... (Below threshold)

One of the keys to a serene existence is to never read tripe written by idiots like Ms. Ephron.

Is it just me, or does "Nora Ephron" sound like a decongestant? She has the charm of a runny nose and the intelligence of mucous . . .

Why is it that liberals ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Why is it that liberals think that, if white men decide not to vote for Obama, it means they HATE black people? Or that if they don't vote for Hillary, they HATE women? Did it ever occur to them that they, like all intelligent people in the United States, don't like their politics? Gee, what a thought.

Probably for the same reason that Republicans think that, if Democrats decide not to vote for extending the war, it means they HATE America. Or that if they don't vote for warrantless wire-tapping, they HATE freedom. Did it ever occur to them that they, like all intelligent people in the United States, don't like those policies? Gee, what a thought.

Probably for the same re... (Below threshold)
sanssoucy:

Probably for the same reason that Republicans think that, if Democrats decide not to vote for extending the war, it means they HATE America. Or that if they don't vote for warrantless wire-tapping, they HATE freedom. Did it ever occur to them that they, like all intelligent people in the United States, don't like those policies? Gee, what a thought.

Waytago! Fight a dumb strawman with an even dumber strawman.

Exactly sanssoucy. We conse... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Exactly sanssoucy. We conservatives say if you pull out of Iraq now, millions will be killed. That is what is said. So,if Brian has a policy of wanting millions of innocents killed, nice policy. ww

LOL! sanssoucy got my point... (Below threshold)
Brian:

LOL! sanssoucy got my point, but WildWillie completely missed it.

By the way, WW, one correction to your comment...

We conservatives say if you pull out of Iraq now...

No, you Republicans say that. You don't speak for conservatives anymore.

Brian, I have made a point ... (Below threshold)

Brian, I have made a point on numerous occasions of saying that I speak for no one, but just who the hell died and made YOU the arbiter of who gets to speak for whom -- especially groups to whom you do NOT belong?

J.

Because I hear what Republi... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Because I hear what Republicans say, and I hear what conservatives say, and I use my powers of rational thought to observe that they are less and less in sync. And I read of prominent conservatives saying the same thing.

By the way, in a thread that features a conservative saying, "Why is it that liberals think that...", I find it amusing that you chose my "speaking for a group to which I don't belong" to oppose.

Or that if they do... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Or that if they don't vote for warrantless wire-tapping, they HATE freedom.

You mean like the wire-tap that got Spitzer? There was no warrant issued to tap Spitzer's conversations, so where's the big outcry from the left about those warrantlees wire-taps? No need to answer, we know the answer. Bush had nothing to do with that type of warrantless wire tap, so apparently it's not an issue the left cares about. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Who do white men h... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Who do white men hate more, blacks or women?

The answer is fairly obvious, it's women. But that's also the answer to the question "Who do white men love more, blacks or women?". You know the old saying "Can't live with them, can't live without them."

Personally, I find the Demo... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Personally, I find the Democrat primary interesting. It's identity politics at it's 'best'. "If you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist." "If you don't vote for Hillary, you're a sexist". So with that as the basis, the 'winner' of the Democrat primary is the one who can gather more bigots?

I love women, but ... (Below threshold)

I love women, but wymyn irritate the hell out of me.

You mean like the wire-t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You mean like the wire-tap that got Spitzer? There was no warrant issued to tap Spitzer's conversations

You mean like the warrants that lasted from January 8th through February 7th, then renewed on February 11th, prior to the tapped calls on February 12th and February 13th?

so where's the big outcry from the left about those warrantlees wire-taps?

Oh, please. And if there were, you'd be carrying on about how the left is opposed to wiretaps so they can continue their evil criminal ways without being caught.

It's identity politics a... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It's identity politics at it's 'best'. "If you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist." "If you don't vote for Hillary, you're a sexist".

And "if you don't vote for war, you're a terrorist". Oh wait, wrong party...

It's just possible that nei... (Below threshold)
bill-tb:

It's just possible that neither Marxist is very appealing to freedom loving white men.

Geez Jay, why don't you eve... (Below threshold)
max:

Geez Jay, why don't you ever set me up like that? Seriously man, I've seen my fair share of smackdowns on the interweb but that has got to be one of the most humiliating ever. How could you ever show your face around here after such a blatant display of hypocrisy?

Oh, never mind.

It's identity politics a... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

It's identity politics at it's 'best'. "If you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist." "If you don't vote for Hillary, you're a sexist".

And "if you don't vote for war, you're a terrorist". Oh wait, wrong party...

You're right. That's too generalized Let's try something else:

"And if you don't vote for the war, you're...well, your ideas and solutions (assuming they actually exist) to finally deal with the terrorist problem after 30+ years are so laughably divorced from reality with pipedreams of a negotiated peace with terrorits that there's really no better or quicker explanation for your lunacy other than calling you an "America is the root of all evil", terrorist sympathizer."

That better? I think so. Not very catchy, though.

You mean like the ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
You mean like the warrants that lasted from January 8th through February 7th, then renewed on February 11th, prior to the tapped calls on February 12th and February 13th?

And not one of those warrants named Spitzer, nor specifically authorized recording his conversations.

Oh, please. And if there were, you'd be carrying on about how the left is opposed to wiretaps so they can continue their evil criminal ways without being caught.

That's just your paranoid delusion. The fact is that since the invention of the first telephone networks people have been getting caught by wire taps for which there is no warrant naming them. The left said nothing about these warrantless wire-taps until Bush used the same principle to tap the phones of overseas terrorists and those who talk to them. What a bunch of crybaby hypocrites the left is.

"I find it strange but note... (Below threshold)

"I find it strange but noteworthy to reflect on the missing demographic in Ms. Ephron's essay."

I made that point elsewhere, but not as clearly as you have. Apparently Ephron's "mind" still visualizes white male as republicans who puff cigars in backrooms discussing ways to make life miderable for womyn and minorities. Attitude like hers is why I left the demi-rat parte' I may be a dumbass white male, but I know when I'm not wanted.

Uhm, let me get this staigh... (Below threshold)
jack dumas:

Uhm, let me get this staight,according to CNN exit polls for pensylvania these were the proportions of voter by gender

Male (42%)
Female (58%)

Her point is that men have all the power!! There are more women voting, her analysis is completely stupid. What would it take for men not to have all the power? a male percentage of 30%, we're not that far, maybe 20% would be better for her. I know, just let women vote in the primaries, and only allow them to vote for women, because if by chance all these women were to vote for a men, it would be proof that men have all the power.wow, what logic.

She is actully are trying to say that men are the one choosing who win when they form the minority of voters. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Its no wonder that women will always be viewed as victims when stupid people like her are allowed to say stupid things like this. This should have never gotten through the editors. She is trying to tell us that the group with the most votes, the group that gets the biggest say is the one that has not power in the process. Its not wonder she can make fun of kids that have trouble in shchool, they are male afer all and worthy of comtempt. Of course she will say she does not hate male but that to me is like people trying to tell me they can't be racist because they know and talke to a few black people.






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