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Suffer the little children

Golda Meir, late Prime Minister of Israel: "Peace will come when the Arabs start to love their children more than they hate us."

Mohammed Sidique Khan. London suicide bomber, to his infant daughter before he left for training for his mission:

"Sweetheart, not long to go now. And I'm going to really, really miss you a lot. I'm thinking about it already. Look, I absolutely love you to bits and you have been the happiest thing in my life.

"You and your mum, absolutely brilliant. I don't know what else to say. I just wish I could have been part of your life, especially these growing up -- these next months, they're really special with you learning to walk and things.

"I just so much wanted to be with you but I have to do this thing for our future and it will be for the best, inshallah (god willing), in the long run. That's the most important thing.

"You make plenty of Dua (prayers) for you guys and you've got loads of people to look after you and keep an eye on you. But most importantly I entrust you to Allah and let Allah take care of you.

"And I am doing what I'm doing for the sake of Islam, not, you know, it's not for materialistic or worldly benefits."

Golda Meir, late Prime Minister of Israel: "Peace will come when the Arabs start to love their children more than they hate us."

Hasina Patel, Khan's wife, to her husband as he prepares his video message to their daughter: "There are two minutes left, so say your piece."

Golda Meir, late Prime Minister of Israel: "Peace will come when the Arabs start to love their children more than they hate us."

Mohammed Sidique Khan, at the prompting of his wife: "Maryam, be strong, learn to fight. Fighting is good. Be mummy's best friend. Take care of mummy. You can both do things together like fighting and stuff."

Golda Meir, late Prime Minister of Israel: "Peace will come when the Arabs start to love their children more than they hate us."

Mohammed Sidique Khan did, indeed, love his daughter to bits. He loved his daughter so much, he blew himself and a bunch of innocent Londoners to bits, and he wants her to grow up so she may someday love herself to bits as well, taking even more innocent lives.

Golda Meir, late Prime Minister of Israel: "Peace will come when the Arabs start to love their children more than they hate us."

We sure as hell ain't there yet. Not by a long shot.


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"And I am doing what I'm do... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

"And I am doing what I'm doing for the sake of Islam, not, you know, it's not for materialistic or worldly benefits." (Mohammed Sidique Khan)


"Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace." (Dalai Lama)

I absolutely love you to... (Below threshold)

I absolutely love you to bits
Freudian slip from a suicide bomber.

This is the insanity of the... (Below threshold)
COgirl:

This is the insanity of the Islamic culture. In the extreme, it is selfish because it only focuses on death of oneself while taking out other innocents, rather than the responsibility of raising your children and making a better life for them. This is sick.

Until those of us in the western world recognize that this is the barbaric mentality that has chosen us to be their enemy, we are destined for further attacks. This is not a mindset that can be reasoned with. It has to be destroyed.

In our lifetime, one of our... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

In our lifetime, one of our most memorable, ardent, and pathetic human creature Crusaders for peace with the Barbaric Islamn culture has been no other than the twerp, known as Jimmie Carter.

Who said the following:
"One of the most basic principles for making and keeping peace within and between nations. . . is that in political, military, moral, and spiritual confrontations, there should be an honest attempt at the reconciliation of differences before resorting to combat."
(OK, We have tried that, has not worked for over thirty years. Now we need to go kick their asses.)

Kinda sounds like Neville Chamberlin, doesn't he?

Islamn is a barbaric religion, totally separated from from any social or political mores that exist outside their primitive culture.

If they believe in going to heaven, having the pleasure of seventy-two virgins, eating double-cheeseburgers and pork chops all day long, watching American idol on HDTV is Paradise; let's send them there.

Not till we rid the world of their barbaric scourge will we be safe from their violence and thirteenith century cowardness.

If you notice, none of the males who practice Islamn, are man enough to stand up, profess what they think; they stand in the corner, blowing up women and children, and then take the coward's way out, thinking their soles will be rewarded by Allah. Gotta clue for you here, your guts and remains will be eaten by rats, your sole washed down the sewer with your blood, the seventy virgins and paradise was what you saw on American TV.

To save all you loons on th... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

To save all you loons on the left the time, it was George Bush's fault. He made them mad.

Their escalation in violence had nothing to do with Bill Clinton's ignoring of world-wide, increased, and more destructive actions toward the US.

Bill Clinton had balls, enough to get him excited over an ugly 22 year old intern, who would be gone tomorrow.

George Bush had balls, enough to get him excited over what barbarians were doing to a 200 year old country, that must exist for the world tomorrow.

We sure as hell ain't th... (Below threshold)
Brian:

We sure as hell ain't there yet. Not by a long shot.

Actually, by the quotes you posted, we probably are. The problem is that Golda Meir didn't recognize that displays of love can take many forms in different cultures. If blowing oneself up is an expression of love, if you truly believe that you're doing it for the benefit of the child, then we may already be there.

"Golda Meir didn't recogniz... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

"Golda Meir didn't recognize that displays of love can take many forms in different cultures. If blowing oneself up is an expression of love, if you truly believe that you're doing it for the benefit of the child, then we may already be there."

That's sick...you are sick... Grownup males are here to protect their children and women.. facing up to fighting for a cause that does not reward you for destroying innocent life. Want to fight for something you think is important, that does not include killing women and children.

I'm not saying "we're there... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I'm not saying "we're there" as in "we have peace". I'm saying we may already be where "the Arabs start to love their children more than they hate us". The problem is that Meir was wrong; getting to that point does not bring peace.

Grownup males are here to protect their children and women..

And some people believe they are protecting them by blowing others up. You cannot explain their behavior by first assuming they believe as you do, or as Meir did. They obviously believe differently.

"And some people believe th... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

"And some people believe they are protecting them by blowing others up."

Are you reading what you are saying?

There's no civilized people on God's Green Earth that believes that murdering the children and women of your enemy brings Peace to this Earth.

"They obviously believe differently."

Yeah, and they are obviously nut cases.

Let me ask you a question. Are you driven to this demented point in life because you truly believe that you endorse Islamnic Terrorism or because George Bush made them mad and you would do anything to see him defeated.
Let me remind all of you fractured liberals out there, George Bush is not running again; check with The Constitution and and all those assholes down at your democrat headquarters. GWB, he's done, he was elected for two terms and now he's outta here.....

You can email me...I'll inform you as to who, on the Republician side is runninng for President.

Words have meaning. Meanin... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

Words have meaning. Meaning can be corrupted by many forces. Pedophiles no more love the children they violate than I do the cockroach I stomp. You can't have sex in another man's intestines. The hubris of jihad against the infidel does not provide a father's love for a child. What "pedophiles" do is child rape. What "homosexuals" do is perversion. What "jihadists" do is mass murder. Children rapers, perverts, mass murders - proper words for the deeds, not multicultural, it's all good, liberal cover words. Just sayin'.

"You can't have sex in anot... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

"You can't have sex in another man's intestines."

OK....Never been a great desire on my part.

But, I am really trying to understand your personal anxiety about big burly men sneaking up behind you and inserting their dominance into your wimpy personality.

When rapists', child molester's, homos', and mass murders' show up at your house...Just shoot them.. do what I do, if they fall inside your house. just kick their miserable asses out side on a porch. Have you ever tried to clean up blood on a hardwood floor.

Are you reading what you... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Are you reading what you are saying?

Yes. I'm saying that there are people in this world who believe differently than you or I do. To say otherwise is the height of ignorance and delusion.

There's no civilized people on God's Green Earth that believes that murdering the children and women of your enemy brings Peace to this Earth.

I think there are some Muslim leaders and followers who would disagree with you.

Let me ask you a question. Are you driven to this demented point in life because you truly believe that you endorse Islamnic Terrorism or because George Bush made them mad and you would do anything to see him defeated.
Let me remind all of you fractured liberals out there, George Bush is not running again;

What the hell are you talking about? When did I "endorse" terrorism, and why are you dragging Bush into it? I'm just saying that trying to explain terrorism by assuming that those who commit the terrorist acts share your belief system, without recognizing that they have a different belief system, is utterly stupid and pointless, and leads to failed strategies.

Hindus don't eat cows because they're sacred, and Jews don't eat pigs because they're dirty. So a Hindu who sees a Jew refuse pork might think, "he must hold the pig to be sacred". And a Jew seeing a Hindu turn down a hamburger might think, "he must believe the cow to be dirty". But they'd both be wrongfully interpreting the others' actions based on their own beliefs.

If you say "peace will come when the Arabs start to love their children", and you fail to recognize that THEY ALREADY BELIEVE THAT THEY DO love their children, then you're going to be waiting forever for something that will never come. And meanwhile, more people die.

"Yes. I'm saying that th... (Below threshold)

"Yes. I'm saying that there are people in this world who believe differently than you or I do. To say otherwise is the height of ignorance and delusion."

Duh.

Well jeez, that explains everything. We can all go home now.

"I'm just saying that trying to explain terrorism by assuming that those who commit the terrorist acts share your belief system, without recognizing that they have a different belief system, is utterly stupid and pointless, and leads to failed strategies."

No one said they share our belief system. Quite the opposite has been said a million times over. What they're saying, what Mier said, is that it's wrong to think that removing yourself from the gene pool and taking innocent lives with you is not born of true love for your child. It's surprisingly self-indulgent. What they're saying is that teaching your child to hate everyone not like him and to blow himself up as soon as possible is not an expression of love. That robbing them of their childhood is criminal.

Many of us happen to agree that in loving our children we are, at the very least, there for them. Not indulging our own selfish fantasies of virgins and glory in some afterlife.

Arguing that they "believe" differently than we do is just a way of avoiding the very issue itself.

Duh.Glad yo... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Duh.

Glad you see that as obvious. Others posting today clearly don't.

What they're saying is that teaching your child to hate everyone not like him and to blow himself up as soon as possible is not an expression of love.

In YOUR mind, perhaps. But if it IS an expression of love in THEIR mind, then you're going to have a long wait if you expect them to suddenly come around to YOUR definition of love.

Arguing that they "believe" differently than we do is just a way of avoiding the very issue itself.

No, it's a way of directly addressing Eneils Bailey's arguments to the contrary. But thanks for your input, anyway.

The differences so far in B... (Below threshold)
epador:

The differences so far in Brian's and others comments are the difference in definition of "love their children" from the perception of the parents in question and the perception of those outside the parent's culture of beliefs.

I think its pretty clear that Golda was referring to the latter than the former. And pretty clear Brian is being argumentative for the joy of it rather than contributing to the discussion.

The question is when will they realize that what they are doing ISN'T in the best interest of their children? When will they realize that their fanaticism is counter-productive? Probably never, if you look at the history of most fanatic causes, unless they are beaten into a bloody submission that leaves no hope for the continuation of their cause. Anyone care to offer an example from history that challenges that?

I think its pretty clear... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I think its pretty clear that Golda was referring to the latter than the former.

Yes, which is why some continue to wait for that day when those in question finally "love" their children. Because they're using their own definition, which isn't shared, and probably never will be.

And pretty clear Brian is being argumentative for the joy of it rather than contributing to the discussion.

Perhaps you just fail to understand. And you didn't need to join the discussion if you didn't want to.

The question is when will they realize that what they are doing ISN'T in the best interest of their children? When will they realize that their fanaticism is counter-productive? Probably never

Oh, so you DO understand. And you agree with me. So why are you being so obtuse and obnoxious about it?

"In our lifetime, one of ou... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"In our lifetime, one of our most memorable, ardent, and pathetic human creature Crusaders for peace with the Barbaric Islamn culture has been no other than the twerp, known as Jimmie Carter....(OK, We have tried that, has not worked for over thirty years. Now we need to go kick their asses...)

Awesome foreign policy advice. Worked like a charm thus far. And didn't the Egyptian peace treaty done by Carter work - and doesn't it still work? Props.

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914:


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Jimmys # to reach if Your a terrorist.. and You have just had too much of this life??

Jp2 is right, props to Cart... (Below threshold)

Jp2 is right, props to Carter for brokering a lasting peace agreement between Israel and Egypt.

Other than that, though, Jimmy's been a dictator-coddling asshat.

Hey, Eneils Bailey, you wro... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

Hey, Eneils Bailey, you wrote: "I am really trying to understand your personal anxiety about big burly men sneaking up behind you and inserting their dominance into your wimpy personality." Your projection is showing, my latent queer neighbor. And you damn sure don't want to match firepower or combat skills with me and mine, regardless of how you deal with people at your door. We've dealt with blood before.

My point was that "special" groups have become more adept with time at bastardizing language. Child rapists usurp the word "love" attempting to redefine their crimes as "normal" relationships. Queer behavior has nothing to do with procreation, sex to you, Eneils Bailey, oops, sorry, forgot you bend over for yours. Perverts have tried to equate their biological dead-end (no reference to yours, Eneils Bailey) behaviors with the 2nd primal imperative of life, but it still isn't sex. Jihadists, like the object of the article, may call their mass murders acts of "love", and unless you are mentally ill, brainwashed by a cult, or brain-damaged, you know it is evil, selfish, and cruel, not just to the dead, but to the living.

Eneils Bailey, if you are in the neighborhood, stop by. I'll bend over for you, so you can kiss my ass. Then we'll deal with the blood on the porch.


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LOLI'm no triangle: ... (Below threshold)
epador:

LOL
I'm no triangle: obtuse, right or otherwise.
Still no examples from anyone of any other way to settle this problem.

To quote Brian:
The problem is that Meir was wrong; getting to that point does not bring peace.

and:

[me quoted by Brian]The question is when will they realize that what they are doing ISN'T in the best interest of their children?
[Brian] Oh, so you DO understand.

Well, which way is it Brain? Either you mean that she means from our perspective or their perspective. You can't have it both ways.

jp2,Yes, Carter do... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

jp2,

Yes, Carter does get some Props for negotiating and formalizing a peace between Egypt and Israel.

But, there's a bit of history that took place in Egypt before the Camp David Peace accords were signed.

Anwar Sadat, who became the President of Egypt wanted to establish his country as a free and independent Nation. He removed the Soviet military and economic influence from Egypt in the early seventies.

He went into concert with Syria in 1973 to attack Israel, Egypt and Syria were defeated, but Egypt re-gained control of the Sinai though peace negotiations. That bought him tremendous favor from his fellow Egyptians. He still had ambitions to dance and be recognized on the world stage. So he had to move on.

So, enter Henry Kissinger(mid-Seventies), who convinced Sadat to open relations with Israel if you want to get invited to the world dance. Sadat responed by visiting Israel, meeting with Menachem Begin, and addressing the Kneeset(1977). It was hailed as a great break-through in Arab-Israel relations.

To help accomplish the goal of international recognition and acceptance on the world stage, Sadat was more than willing to go to Washington, sit before the press and leaders of the world on the world stage and be recognized as a valid world leader. Jimmy Carter provided the opportunity and resources to facilitate this arrangement.(1978)

It was after this Camp David meeting, Sadat's reputation was tarnished in the Arab world, Egypt was expelled from the Arab League(1979)for violating "Arab Unity". Various Islamnic extreme groups called for his termination. And we all know what happened at Cairo October, 1981.

I think Begin was a great humanitarian, Sadat was an Arab leader that we will probably not see the likes of anytime soon, and Jimmy Carter was merely a facilitator for things that were obvious and had been in the works for years.

Mere mortals they all were, but some are more merier(sp) than others.

And the peace treaty with Egypt...still working .well I guess so... and so is the treaty With Syria... Whooaa.. wait a minute, they did not sign a treaty with Syria.


Oh Yeah...almost forgot..
twolaneflash,
YYAAWWNNN.....


Peace will come when no mor... (Below threshold)
LenS:

Peace will come when no more children are raised as Muslims. Until then, the evil will continue.

LensS..I agree..</... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

LensS..

I agree..

If you can't recognize evil, you have no reason to praise good.

Wow, Jay! That's powerful.... (Below threshold)
Tammy:

Wow, Jay! That's powerful. Thank you for giving us that insight. The late Golda Meir was right.

Brian is suggesting that th... (Below threshold)

Brian is suggesting that the world might be better if we were able to accommodate a "belief system" that recognizes the murder of innocent people as an expression of love for one's child.

This is the "situational ethics" paradigm at its most absurd.




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