Un-freakin'-believable. There are no words for the sheer lunacy of what you are about to read.
Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the Knesset, here, that to "negotiate with terrorists and radicals" is "appeasement." The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What bothers me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National Socialists, particularly the British and French accommodation at the Munich Conference of 1938.The narrative we're given about Munich is entirely in hindsight. We know what kind of man Hitler was, and that he started World War II in Europe. From the view of 1938, what Hitler was demanding at Munich was not unreasonable, according to the prevailing idea of the nation-state. His claim was that the German-speaking areas of Europe--and ones that thought of themselves as German --be under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons. We have learned the hazards of it. But 1938 was only 19 years since Germany's borders had been redrawn, and not to its benefit. In the democracies there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World War I. Certainly there was a memory of the "Great War." In 2008, we have entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of "The Good War" it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia, they were following the historical lesson they had learned 1914-1918: avoid war. War produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad investment. It is not glorious. Don't give anyone an excuse to start one.
Yeah... it wasn't unreasonable to turn over first all of the German-speaking states to Hitler. Or all of Europe. Or eventually the world. And it wasn't unreasonable to let Hitler exterminate millions of people, mostly Jews, because he thought they were inferior and unclean.
That's certainly no reason to start a war, right? I mean, Germany got screwed, so Europe deserved what that got and should've given in to Hitler's reasonable requests, and let him go on murdering millions. That would've been the reasonable course of action, I guess, since all of this was our fault, thanks to WWI, according to this douchebag. And this was to defend Barack Obama!
Idiot.
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Evidently Chamberlain agree... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Corky Boyd | May 17, 2008 1:01 AM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Evidently Chamberlain agreed with this, that's why he gave the Sudetenland to Hitler. It was to satisfy Hitler's appetite and prevent any further land grabs. It didn't work then and it won't work now.
Czechoslovkia wasn't his to give and it didn't satisfy Hitler's appetite.
Bush his a home run on this. He nailed two targets, Obama and the Jewish voters. Dems know they are on shakey grounds with Jewish voters. This is why they went nuclear after Bush's speech.
1. Posted by Corky Boyd | May 17, 2008 1:01 AM |
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Posted on May 17, 2008 01:01
2. Posted by Violence Worker | May 17, 2008 1:10 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The author changed this. This is what he originally wrote:
"What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic."
He added "The narrative we're given about Munich is entirely in hindsight. We know what kind of man Hitler was, and that he started World War II in Europe. From the view of 1938," after he received a bunch of grief.
I wish I'd made a copy of the page because it was also laced with anti-Jewish rhetoric which he edited out on the update.
VW
2. Posted by Violence Worker | May 17, 2008 1:10 AM |
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Posted on May 17, 2008 01:10
3. Posted by OLDPUPPYMAX | May 17, 2008 8:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Amazing how often the left has to twist logic and common sense into pretzels in order to defend one of its own.
3. Posted by OLDPUPPYMAX | May 17, 2008 8:52 AM |
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Posted on May 17, 2008 08:52
4. Posted by epador | May 17, 2008 10:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Not one post @ ST in support of this idiot who needs to be demoted back to the mail room where he belongs Read some of his other "work." Only if you have time to waste.
4. Posted by epador | May 17, 2008 10:06 AM |
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Posted on May 17, 2008 10:06
5. Posted by Michael | May 17, 2008 11:57 AM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Come on Brian...we need your lefty knee jerk defense of this bozo.
5. Posted by Michael | May 17, 2008 11:57 AM |
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Posted on May 17, 2008 11:57
6. Posted by tyree | May 18, 2008 1:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Too many liberals have little understanding of history, which, in my opinion, has something to do with why they are liberal.
The "reasonable" turn over of the Sudetenland in 1938 took away the portion of their border that could be easily defended. Thus, in March of 1939 Hitler took the rest of the country, their industrial base and all of their tanks. Eventually, two divisions of Czech tanks were absorbed into the Wehrmacht and became the 7th and 8th Panzer Divisions. The Poles, French, Belgians, Dutch and British were killed by the thousands by weapons that were allowed to fall into the enemies hands. I sure hope the Democrats won't allow that to happen again.
6. Posted by tyree | May 18, 2008 1:06 AM |
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Posted on May 18, 2008 01:06
7. Posted by SPQR | May 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Don't hold your breath, tyree.
7. Posted by SPQR | May 18, 2008 2:43 PM |
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Posted on May 18, 2008 14:43
8. Posted by Mike | May 18, 2008 7:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It seems that the liberals in Seattle owe the late Marge Schott a big apology.
8. Posted by Mike | May 18, 2008 7:28 PM |
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Posted on May 18, 2008 19:28