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Obama reinvents WWII for political pandering

Apparently, his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz.

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. "Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren't the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain," Obama said. "That's why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need - that's why it's so important."

I guess the question would then be who his uncle fought for when he was liberating Auschwitz -- because it was liberated by the Soviets. Was Obama's uncle fighting in the Red Army, then?

What's odd about this is that it is such an egregious lie. I just don't understand, though, why Obama even felt the need to make it up to begin with. His uncle served in WWII -- was that not honorable and admirable enough for him? Was it not glamorous enough to fit into his political posturing? There was no need to reinvent his uncle's military service. He served his country in one of the longest, bloodiest, and toughest wars this country has ever fought. What purpose did it serve to lie about what he did?

And if it wasn't a lie -- as in, he honestly believed that his uncle liberated Auschwitz -- well, that just kind of makes him an idiot, doesn't it? I mean, he went through so much education, and never learned the basic facts of what happened in Europe during WWII?

Hat Tip: The Purple Avenger at Ace of Spades


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Comments (81)

Look, Barack Obama probably... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Look, Barack Obama probably just meant some place like Buchenwald instead of Auschwitz. No big deal.

And Obama wouldn't be the f... (Below threshold)
Herman:

And Obama wouldn't be the first to get the concentration camps confused. I once wrote an email to someone who thought Anne Frank had died at Auschwitz. In truth, she died at Bergen-Belsen.

Or he is just a liar. A ty... (Below threshold)
sam:

Or he is just a liar. A typical Democrat.

If his mom is an only child... (Below threshold)
John:

If his mom is an only child, who is this "uncle"? Not being snide-like, I'm honestly curious.

Maybe he was taliking about... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Maybe he was taliking about his ideological "uncle" Joe Stalin.

No big deal.<p... (Below threshold)
Clay:

No big deal.

Yeah. If you've seen one concentration camp, you've seen them all, right? There's a difference between writing an 'email to someone' and standing in front of a large group of people on Memorial Day. Of course, I would offer that someone who has enjoyed such media favor is bound to get complacent in the fact-checking department.

I would think someone who i... (Below threshold)
hermie:

I would think someone who is supposedly so brilliant, would have gone to the trouble of checking out this story, before passing it along as fact.

Maybe he can blame some staffer again, or blame his 'typical white' grandparents for telling him that story.

"Buchenwald instead of Auschwitz. No big deal."

There are times that I think your ignorance has limits...then you prove me wrong.

Hmmm. . . why is this any ... (Below threshold)
COgirl:

Hmmm. . . why is this any different than any of Hillary's gaffes and exaggerations? Obama's a liar and he's pandering just to sound intelligent. He is not.

And I guess whether it was Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen or Buchenwald doesn't matters if you use the topic for personal political gains, Herman. I'm sure it matters a lot to those who were there. Discussing this like he knows what he's talking about and having the facts wrong is just insensitive.

Obama is an empty suit.

This is ultimately g... (Below threshold)


This is ultimately going to be very funny.

Someone will most assuredly check every element of this story all the way back to the unit this "uncle" was in, where they were, when they were there etc.

This empty suit ( I shamelessly stole that from COgirl ) demagogues PTSD by tossing around concentration camp anecdotes the day after he confuses Memorial Day with Veterans Day....Obama is making Hillary's cork screw landing under sniper fire seem more believable every day.


Previously he said, I think... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Previously he said, I think back in 2002, that his Grandfather was in World War II.

So here's my guess. Obama had the relative wrong and he had the concentration camp wrong, but that probably he was told as a young man that his grandpa helped to liberate some concentration camp.

He's definately not ready for prime time but when it comes to public speaking, i'm willing to give politicians the benefit of the doubt as to calling them liars.

Obviously some lie, like Bill Clinton about Monica Lewinsky but we're too often ready to call people liars.

So i'll let this play out for a few days first to see if he did indeed lie, or if the more likely scenario is that he made a couple of mistakes.

At what point is all this "... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

At what point is all this "mis-speaking" pathological?

Look, Barack Obam... (Below threshold)
Maggie:
Look, Barack Obama probably just meant some place like Buchenwald instead of Auschwitz. No big deal.

That is small, even for you herman.
Marginalization at its best?

I would think someone who i... (Below threshold)

I would think someone who is supposedly so brilliant, would have gone to the trouble of checking out this story, before passing it along as fact.

I'm starting to see a conne... (Below threshold)

I'm starting to see a connection

Obama calls Sunrise FL, Sunshine FL. I been to Sunrise as recent as this month.

Obama said he has been to the 57 states not counting AK and HI. I been to all 50.

His uncle helped liberate Auschwitz. This Wizbang contributor has been to Auschwitz in person.(Bleakest place on this planet, death still hangs in the air 60 years later)

The next geographical blunder from Obama has to have some link to me? Stay tuned.......

Next he'll be claiming he k... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Next he'll be claiming he knows a senator who was sent into Cambodia by Nixon over xmas '68 for a secret mission.

Sounds like he is pandering... (Below threshold)
cathymv:

Sounds like he is pandering to get the Jewish vote. He knows his name gives the Jews pause... and to counteract that.. hes made up an uncle who "rescued" jews in WW2.... looks like a simple game of pandering politics...

unforturnately... he keeps forgetting that people know their history better than he does...

oops...

THERE IS NO UNCLE ...... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

THERE IS NO UNCLE ...

Maybe a Great Uncle, or maybe some friend of his mother but his mother was an only child ...

We keep saying you can't make this stuff up and Obama just keeps making stuff up ...

It's one thing to screw up ... (Below threshold)

It's one thing to screw up the spelling of "potato" or "tomato" and be made fun of, but to screw up historical facts and not be called out on it? Give me a break. Yet another liberal media hallway pass.

Im sure Osama Hussein was r... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Im sure Osama Hussein was referring to 'Uncle Tom'.

I'd just like to know how in the hell the Dems found someone worse than Hanoi Jon Cary.

Bluto: What? Over? D... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:


Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

maybe Obama was a Delta

At what point is all thi... (Below threshold)
Clay:

At what point is all this "mis-speaking" pathological?

Uhm...too late.

I think what's actually imp... (Below threshold)
Josh:

I think what's actually important is getting lost in all the fuss over whether he actually had an uncle at Auschwitz or not. There's plenty of ways Obama could have misspoken that fall far short of stupidity or deceit. The BIG issue though is the story itself. Instead of taking Memorial Day as a time to honor our troops, he presents an example of apparently honorable service (liberating Jews from the Holocaust) only to paint the liberator as a victim.

If you want to argue for more funding for veterans services, fine. If you want to do so by telling a sad story about a veteran damaged by war, also fine. But when you're giving a Memorial Day speech, leave it at home. It's a time to honor our troops, not use their stories as campaign footballs.

I ask this not to illustrate a point, but because I honestly don't know. Did either Clinton or McCain do anything similar in their speeches?

Ahh, one of the best quote... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Ahh, one of the best quotes in 70's movie history.

Sometimes Barry forgets he'... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

Sometimes Barry forgets he's not in the pulpit at his Chicago "church" where ranting about bogus garbage is standard diet for the masses. I'm just glad I'm not one of his relatives, even an imaginary one, waiting at the bus stop.

In view of his daily gaffes... (Below threshold)
Bob:

In view of his daily gaffes, he should't mind when Republicans mistakenly call him "Osama" instead of "Obama," as Ted Kennedy did. "No big deal."

Mistakenly believing that A... (Below threshold)

Mistakenly believing that Anne Frank perished at Auschwitz is at least understandable. Anne was deported to Auschwitz, and transported from there to Bergen Belsen.

But to be so ignorant of the history as to confuse Auschwitz with another death camp simply defies belief.

Seriously, who gives a crap... (Below threshold)
Amanda:

Seriously, who gives a crap. Is this the best you can come up with. The only people that think this is a big deal are the one's that wouldn't vote for him anyway.

Give me a break. You folks ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Give me a break. You folks worship the dolt in the WH who didn't know Europe is till they flew him there.

Give me a break. You ... (Below threshold)

Give me a break. You folks worship the dolt in the WH who didn't know Europe is till they flew him there.

You won't get a break from me, JFO. The persistent meme of the Obama critics is that he is an untested and unknown quantity (albeit hilariously less so in the past few months).

The "dolt" in the WH one two gubernatorial elections in one the largest states in the union (defeating a Democrat icon in one of those elections). He was known well by his critics and his supporters. We are just now learning just who the real Obama is.

The only people that thi... (Below threshold)
Clay:

The only people that think this is a big deal are the one's that wouldn't vote for him anyway.

And the only people who don't think this is a big deal are the one's that will vote for him anyway.

This is so typical. For th... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

This is so typical. For the first time in - well, ever - we have a politician running for President who realizes that with hope and change America could be a country of which we're all proud. Cut the guy some slack. He's not an experienced leader/politician like Bush.

Besides, it's not like the left has spent the past eight years in an orgiastic frenzy over every one of Bush's verbal gaffes.

I, for one, welcome our new Bolshevik overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted Wizbang commenter I could be useful in rounding up others to toil in their underground borscht caves.

Besides, it's not like t... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Besides, it's not like the left has spent the past eight years in an orgiastic frenzy over every one of Bush's verbal gaffes.

Okay. Well...er...point taken.

Dang!

Seriously, who gives ... (Below threshold)

Seriously, who gives a crap. Is this the best you can come up with.

Actually, no. The Jeremiah Wright tap dance was priceless compared to the "uncle in the attic".

But for those who do "give a crap", it is obvious that if these last several days of the Gaffe o Matic were the product of a young Republican Senator (hmmm, Dan Quayle comes to mind)the media would be in a frenzy telling all of us what a dumb ass the candidate was. But the media isn't doing that now because they have sold out whatever little is left of their credibility (and I admit, that's a small wager on their part) to advance their own choice for President.


I'm a moderate, and I'm SO ... (Below threshold)

I'm a moderate, and I'm SO damn tired of that "Hope And Change" mantra. Hope for what? Change? Hope for another 'Peace with honor' debacle with Iraq? Hope for another 4 years of a Jimmy-Carter Wannabe? Change our foriegn policy from one where we actively engage terrorists and kill them to sitting down with them and 'hoping' we can find a way to keep them from killing us? Gut our economy by taxing the 'rich' (which is what, above $80k combined incomes for a household?) and killing off family businesses? Or maybe CHANGING the tax rates so high that businesses flee overseas, because they can't afford to keep their headquarters in the US? Yeah, that'll do wonders for the unemployment rate, won't it?

"Hope and change". You can have Obama's mantras - I don't want them, because they're worthless noise with nothing substantial or even feasible to back them.

And more and more I see things from Obama that I DO NOT want to see in a President. These 'gaffes' he's making - JFO, Amanda, could you stand there and tell me that if McCain were making the same mistakes, you wouldn't be hopping up and down going "See! See! He's SENILE! It's OBVIOUS! He's not suited to be President!"?

When Obama does it, you ignore it because he offers 'hope and change'. If it's his STAFF that's making these mistakes, who are going to be trusted to be his support system IF the country suffers a collective brain fart and elects this empty suit into office - what does that say about THEIR qualities and abilities? Or for Obama's selection of them?

"Cut the guy some slack. He's not an experienced leader/politician like Bush."

Baron, that's so obvious it's pathetic. What's worse, I don't see any indication he could actually grow into the job. It's a perfect example of the Peter Principle.

The principle holds that in a hierarchy members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".
Obama reached his peak - then ran for President. It's far better to have an incompetent Senator than an incompetent President.

Obama sure has an affinity ... (Below threshold)
914:

Obama sure has an affinity for communists and terrorists does'nt He.

JFO:who ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

JFO:

who didn't know Europe is till they flew him there.

Illiterates for Obama untie!

Illiterates for Obama un... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Illiterates for Obama untie!

Perhaps they can merge with Illiterates for Bush:

The "dolt" in the WH one two gubernatorial elections

Hey BrianI don't c... (Below threshold)

Hey Brian

I don't correct grammar and spelling around here. So make your replies specific to the commenter.

Also, you apparently don't recognize the satirical use of the term untie.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/05/25/subway-home-schooled-kids-need-not-apply.php

I don't correct grammar ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I don't correct grammar and spelling around here. So make your replies specific to the commenter.

Fair enough.

Also, you apparently don't recognize the satirical use of the term untie.

Actually, I did. Though its satirical use has a history much longer than that.

This is ultimately going... (Below threshold)
Brian:

This is ultimately going to be very funny.
Someone will most assuredly check every element of this story all the way back to the unit this "uncle" was in, where they were, when they were there etc.

Well, they did, and the story checks out in every detail, except he got the name of the camp wrong. (Although it wasn't the most well-known camp, Buchenwald was, in fact, the very first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany.)

Is it funny enough for you yet?

Next we'll find out that dr... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Next we'll find out that dropping the A-bomb on Berlin ended WWII, or that the U.S. civil war was between the west and the east and hear stories about how Obama's great great granddad won the west.

What's the difference between Obama and Osama? Just the bs.

I'm not voting Obama and I ... (Below threshold)

I'm not voting Obama and I have no use for the man. I'm no apologist; I think he is the worst possible candidate of the three running. In fact, I've never voted Democrat for president (and damned rarely for other office). Hopefully that will establish where I'm coming from on this subject so I won't have to fend off any accidental accusations of being a closet Obama supporter.

This really isn't a big deal and it really isn't a valid issue for loud complaint. He misspoke--yes, he was factually wrong, but, no, it wasn't an intentional lie. It was just a mistake.

Let's go back to talking about how bad his policy ideas are and leave the grade school stuff behind. There is enough to disagree on without resorting to assigning imagined bad faith to what was obviously merely common error. His campaign has already released a statement to that effect: he said Auschwitz when he should have said Buchenwald.

As far as the accusation of pandering, well, he is a politician. It seems to be in the job description.

Is it funny en... (Below threshold)


Is it funny enough for you yet?

Of course it isn't. It checks out in every detail except it wasn't his uncle, was it? And it wasn't Auschwitz

And it wasn't the United States PTSD afflicted, attic dwelling army that liberated Auschwitz was it?

But WTH, those are just minor details, just mere threads in the broad fabric this genius is weaving. Sad that, when Gerald Ford didn't recognize the difference between Poland and the free west he was roundly criticized for not knowing his geography and politics, but this new messiah gets a hall pass on mistakes that Betsey Newmark's quiz team would use to cut him on the first round.


Obama comes out on top of t... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Obama comes out on top of the latest NON-troversy . . . again.

He'll be faking that sort of gaffe from now on -- they only strengthen his image.

The future is looking bright. :)

I am already not voting for... (Below threshold)
jp2:

I am already not voting for Obama due to the fact that he said 57 states - I thank, once again, the crack staff at Wizbang for covering the important topics.

Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald?

Now I am giving all my money to Hillary.

Thank you Wizbang.

Brian -If Bush wer... (Below threshold)

Brian -

If Bush were available for a third term, I'd vote for him, flaws and all, over Obama for a very simple reason.

Bush loves this country, even with the mistakes that have been made over the centuries, even with all the warts and stupidities of the people running it, and would want to make it better going into the future. He believes in the people of this country.

Obama wants to change this country into something he can love. He believes in government as the nanny-state, doing everything for a population which won't question him - because he knows better than Joe Sixpack what the people need. It's very Stalinesque of him, and I'm sure he's got a number of 5-year plans just waiting for his signature if he gets to the Oval Office.

And I'll be damned if I vote for a dictator-wannabe like Obama. Especially one who doesn't think little things like DETAILS are important.

He'll be faking that ... (Below threshold)

He'll be faking that sort of gaffe from now on -- they only strengthen his image.

Thanks Adrian, it's always helpful to know where The Stepford Wives stand on current issues.

The man knew he was going t... (Below threshold)
hermie:

The man knew he was going to make a Memorial Day speech, and had plenty of time to make sure his story was straight. Yet, he couldn't bear to do simple fact-checking.

This is one of the scariest things about Obama: He makes statements which basic facts are missing or just plain wrong. He appears to be oblivious to them as well, and when called on them, he becomes indignant that anyone calls him on it, or he blames a staffer instead of sucking it up and taking responsibility.

7/4/08Obama to claim... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:

7/4/08
Obama to claim great aunt helped sign the Declaration of Independence in Cleveland,Ohio.

some Messiah

HughSThe great 2 t... (Below threshold)
JFO:

HughS

The great 2 time victory in Texas in what was mostly a ceremonial role, except when it came to executing people, says a lot about the dolts in Texas. Yeah yeah he was elected 2xs to the presidency by more dolts.
depp=true
notiz=Broad brushing will get you dis-emvoweled every time.

Please! This is supposed to... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who freed who.

Besides, when your resume makes a senator who's completed a single term in office look like a freakin' heavyweight your family's unique legacy of service to their country should be taken into account.

Next, you'll be taking his words from 2004 - "I am a believer in knowing what you're doing when you apply for a job. And I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket I would essentially have to start now, before having served a day in the Senate. Now, there are some people who might be comfortable doing that, but I'm not one of those people." - as an admission he's too green for the presidency.

MaggieCan I get a tr... (Below threshold)

Maggie
Can I get a translation of that?

Hermie -"This i... (Below threshold)

Hermie -

"This is one of the scariest things about Obama: He makes statements which basic facts are missing or just plain wrong. He appears to be oblivious to them as well, and when called on them, he becomes indignant that anyone calls him on it, or he blames a staffer instead of sucking it up and taking responsibility."

All great qualities for a President, aren't they? Details aren't important, fact-checking seems to be for the 'little people', and he doesn't take responsibility.

Yeah, just the sort of President we need!

Baron -

Green? Green? Obama's so green at this when he cuts himself shaving, sap leaks out!


I hope y'all join me in con... (Below threshold)
Donnie:

I hope y'all join me in congratulating the Purple Avenger for shaking the truth from yesterday's page A12.

I pray he remain, eh, turgid, should Obama conflate Sunni and Shia.

I do think the President sh... (Below threshold)
Donnie:

I do think the President should know that Auschwitz is in current-day Poland and was in the Soviet zone of "liberation". This criticism is valid. Duly noted.

The 57 states thing? C'mon. Calling Sunrise,FL Sunshine? Believe me there are worse names for Sunrise here in Broward. (though I have many good friends in Sunrise:)

The constant gotcha outrage is laughable almost daily.

Donnie -And if it ... (Below threshold)

Donnie -

And if it were McCain doing it - would you be excusing him - or saying it was because his brain was rotten with Altzheimers?

57 states - the 'President' should know how many states we've got. So should Senator Obama. That he made such a blunder is not excusable, and shows a disregard for detail that is appalling.

JLawson-Do you hon... (Below threshold)
Donnie:

JLawson-

Do you honestly believe Obama thought there were fifty-seven states?

I've never said John McCain's brain was rotten with Alzheimer's, nor would I ever.

Say that about John McCain.... (Below threshold)
Donnie:

Say that about John McCain.

Leave that to the doctors.

I believe Obama doesn't car... (Below threshold)

I believe Obama doesn't care about details. They're too 'small' for him to deal with, and they're not important in the first place. He's an idea man, after all - and everyone KNOWS they don't care about the details, because someone ELSE will have the dirty work of modifying and implementing their broad, sweeping, usually unworkable ideas into something that bears a resemblance to a workable plan.

That Obama is making SO many mistakes at this point makes me think he doesn't have any idea at all what's going to work down the road - and worse, he doesn't CARE one bit. It's his job to set the goals, it'll be everyone else's to achieve them - no matter what it takes.

"Hope and Change" sounds good - but you'd really better think about what's being promised. You may decide the cost is going to be a LOT higher than you want to pay!

Obama makes more gaffes...W... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Obama makes more gaffes...Wizbang points them out and the outraged little trolls come scurrying out of their ant mounds to take umbrage...how predictable and soooo funny.

If Bush were available f... (Below threshold)
Brian:

If Bush were available for a third term, I'd vote for him, flaws and all, over Obama for a very simple reason.
Bush loves this country, ... He believes in the people of this country.

Uh huh. That's why he was not "open and forthright" with those very people, used "propaganda" to sell the war to them, and misled his own aides. Because he had such faith in them all.

And I'll be damned if I vote for a dictator-wannabe like Obama. Especially one who doesn't think little things like DETAILS are important.

Sure, you'd rather have someone who intentionally distorts the big facts than someone who mistakenly gets the little details wrong.

Brian -It's a real... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Brian -

It's a real warning flag to me when "someone who mistakenly gets the little details wrong" does so CONSISTENTLY. If he can't or WON'T get the little details right, what 'hope' should I have he'll get the BIG stuff right?

Details matter. A technician changes your brake pads, yet 'forgets' to bleed down the system afterward. Small detail, yet it could lead to your brakes failing at a critical time.

A nurse misreads an order, and mistakenly injects the wrong amount of medicine, causing a severe reaction. It's a small detail - yet life-threatening.

A jet mechanic changing out an engine forgets to safety-wire an oil connection. It works loose in flight - spraying oil and causing an engine failure.

Details matter. To show a significant, repeated pattern of carelessness with the small stuff makes me think he won't pay attention to the big stuff at all.

I am amazed that 62 posts w... (Below threshold)
moseby:

I am amazed that 62 posts were needed to point out osama's unfitness for president. Isn't it expected that when a lib-dem opens his/her mouth that nothing but lies spew forth?

Thanks for making my point,... (Below threshold)
minnie:

Thanks for making my point, moseby.

All the comments I have rea... (Below threshold)
Paulie:

All the comments I have read here, concerning Sen. Obama's Memorial Day gaffe, seem to miss the fundamental point contained in the whole megillah. Aside from it being inaccurate , self-serving, and probably spurious; it is very misleading historically.
Shortly after the war ended in Europe, 8/9May1945, all concentration camps in Germany were defined as penal, political or labor camps (mostly combined). It was only in the lands controlled and "liberated" by our Soviet allies that camps were designated "death camps". War propaganda seems to have no expiration date and always seems to have convinced adherents.
It appears that America's "reeducation program" needs to be reevaluated- it engenders heat and hate but no knowledge in our youngsters. Sen. Obama's writers and handlers aren't taking very good care of the media's latest fair haired boy !

Just my 2 ¢ worth,
Paulie

To show a significant, r... (Below threshold)
Brian:

To show a significant, repeated pattern of carelessness with the small stuff makes me think he won't pay attention to the big stuff at all.

That's why presidents have staff and advisors. I don't expect a president to have all the details. Presidents don't gather intelligence themselves, and they don't run their own economic models.

It's a real warning flag to me when "someone who mistakenly gets the little details wrong" does so CONSISTENTLY. If he can't or WON'T get the little details right, what 'hope' should I have he'll get the BIG stuff right?

But you have no problem with someone who gets the big stuff wrong, and does so CONSISTENTLY. Actually, it's even worse. It's one thing to get things wrong out of ignorance. It's another to know what's right, but then intentionally misrepresent it. This is who has your unwavering support.

Amen. I'd prefer someone wh... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Amen. I'd prefer someone who says uncle instead of great uncle or Auschwitz rather than Buchenwald to one who conflates aluminum tubes with weapons of mass destruction or freedom with occupation.

I do enjoy Ms Fiano's posts though, as they seem to be lightning rods for the few remaining twenty-percenters who continue to labor under the delusion that the last eight years have been good for this country.

"That's why presidents h... (Below threshold)

"That's why presidents have staff and advisors. I don't expect a president to have all the details. Presidents don't gather intelligence themselves, and they don't run their own economic models."

I EXPECT Obama to know how many states there are. I EXPECT him to be able to speak clearly and not need to have a legion of followers 'explaining' what he meant to say - several different times, several different ways, to several different audiences. If I wanted someone speaking in tongues that needed to be interpreted, I'd go to an evangelical Pentacostal church, NOT to a candidate for the President of the United States. I EXPECT that when he makes a mistake, he doesn't get pissy when someone points out to him he flubbed it.

I EXPECT Obama to have EXPERTS advising him and writing his speeches. I EXPECT that they'd be detail oriented, and that they'd take professional pride in turning out a quality product. So where the hell are they?

By the way - take a look at what I excerpted from you above. It runs both ways. You don't get to give Obama a pass, and hold Bush to a higher standard.

One last thing - right now you're seeing the same sort of crap running in the media against Obama with his mistakes at about half the level that Bush has had to endure for the last 7-8 YEARS. Think Miracle-Boy could hold up with any sort of grace to the same sort of 'help' the media's given Bush?

I EXPECT Obama to know h... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I EXPECT Obama to know how many states there are. I EXPECT him to be able to speak clearly and not need to have a legion of followers 'explaining' what he meant to say ...

Oh, please. After seven years, suddenly verbal gaffes define a presidency.

Do you EXPECT McCain to know the difference between the Sunnis and Shiites? Do you EXPECT McCain to know the limits of Petraeus's command? Aren't those "details" a wee bit more important than the difference between "uncle" and "great-uncle"?

You don't get to give Obama a pass, and hold Bush to a higher standard.

I don't give Obama a pass. I roll my eyes as much as anyone. I just understand the difference between misspeaking and ignorance, between gaffes that are benign and those that demonstrate a poor understanding of policy.

By the way, swap "Obama" and "Bush" in that sentence of yours, then look in a mirror.

Bush isn't running for Pres... (Below threshold)

Bush isn't running for President, Brian.

Obama is. Obama's having a FINE time showing us just how unqualified he is, thanks to those wonderful folks in the 24/7 news cycle that need something... ANYTHING to feed the beast and keep the viewers.

"I don't give Obama a pass. I roll my eyes as much as anyone." - and then you go back and support your candidate with all the vigor you can. How wonderfully loyal of you!

Does it not raise in your mind ANY question of his competency? Or do you relentlessly stifle such thoughts as being unworthy of a true believer in Miracle-Boy?

Bush isn't running for P... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Bush isn't running for President, Brian.

No, but I was responding to your comment, "If Bush were available for a third term, I'd vote for him". Remember that one?

Obama's having a FINE time showing us just how unqualified he is

If that's the test, then Bush showed us that long ago. Yet you'd still vote for him.

and then you go back and support your candidate with all the vigor you can. How wonderfully loyal of you!

As I said... mirror.

Does it not raise in your mind ANY question of his competency?

That he says "uncle" instead of "grand-uncle"? No, it doesn't. However, Sunni instead of Shiite, the commander of Iraq advising on Afghanistan... THAT does. Does it for you?

Seriously, who gives a c... (Below threshold)
thecomputerguy:

Seriously, who gives a crap. Is this the best you can come up with.

Possibly for today. Come back again tomorrow, and we'll see what new things he's said between now and then.

Bush isn't running for P... (Below threshold)

Bush isn't running for President, Brian.
Obama is.

Exactly....and I wouldn't vote for him for a 3rd term...no way. But is the non sequitur of comparing someone who is running to someone who is not winning converts?
My guy is as dumb but not quite as dumb as your dumb guy who can't run even if his dumbass lying is not as egregious as my guy's dumbass lying..............

"That's why presidents h... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"That's why presidents have staff and advisors."

Obama needs staff and advisers even to get the facts of his personal life straight.

He was so quick even to criticize the Afghanistan front of the war he cited a lack of translators as part of the problem - they're all in Iraq. Unfortunately, for him, the Arabic and Kurdish translators in Iraq are pretty much useless in Afghanistan.

But let's not worry about the petty stuff when we're demonizing our political opponents.

And the Obama worshippers are just as bad every time he 'miss-speaks'. Running to his defense with things like, "He was speaking metaphorically," when he claimed his parents met at the Selma march. Or when he made the recent remark about not knowing why McCain wouldn't support the GI Bill and McCain responded, the Obama worshippers totally mischaracterized what McCain said, "What? Now he can't comment on issues regarding the military if he hasn't served?" Or after Obama sits in the pews of a church listening to a pastor spout hateful rhetoric for 20 years, calls that pastor his mentor, writes glowingly about him in his book, is married by him and has him baptize his children we heard a plethora of excuses.

So keep making your excuses because as bad as you think Bush is, wait til you have an Obama or a Hillary in the White House.

"I EXPECT Obama to know how... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I EXPECT Obama to know how many states there are. I EXPECT him to be able to speak clearly and not need to have a legion of followers 'explaining' what he meant to say - several different times, several different ways, to several different audiences....If I wanted someone speaking in tongues that needed to be interpreted, I'd go to an evangelical Pentacostal church, NOT to a candidate for the President of the United States." -- JLawson

This coming from someone who has supported the candidacy of George W. Bush. Incredible. Well, conservative, for you and the other conservatives striving so hard to make a big deal of Obama's Buchenwald/Auschwitz mistake, a present just for you, statements from the Idiot-in-Chief you're responsible for (note I could easily provide MANY more but these will do for now):

I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them.

I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here.

I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right.

I know how hard it is to put food on your family.

Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe - I believe what I believe is right.

I understand small business growth. I was one.

If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - so long as I'm the dictator.

I'm the master of low expectations.

Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people and neither do we.

We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.

We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.

Will the highways on the Internet become more few?

Do you have blacks, too? (To Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso)

General...I can't name the general.(When asked to name President of Pakistan)

We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.

I'm sure you personally sou... (Below threshold)

I'm sure you personally sourced all those statements you attribute to the President, Herman.

So why don't you provide us some links that will demonstrate, if nothing else, that your commenting skills rise above the level of cut and paste.

Good luck.

Herman, I'm going to spell ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Herman, I'm going to spell this out very carefully for you: When you give me a valid defense for Obama's "miss-statements" that doesn't include pointing out others', we'll talk.

Okay, maybe that was too complex. Until your argument consists of something more tangible than, "I know you are, but what am I?" you sound more like my neighbor's yapping dog.

Someone saying "is" instead of "are" or "was" instead of "had" is a miss-statement. Self-deprecating humor is a virtue, but when misrepresented as stupidity by others, I have to wonder who's the stupid one. When comments are taken out of context, the author of the comment is not at fault.

Making up history to ingratiate one's self is lying. Being so eager to criticize your opponent that you are the one to screw up the facts reveals you as one who has no credentials. Befriending an individual who speaks badly to his congregation about all the things you claim to hold as dear and not denouncing one word of it until others hear of it reveals a weak character.

Obama is not ready to be President of The United States. He wasn't even ready to campaign.

Brian -When it com... (Below threshold)

Brian -

When it comes to mirrors, the media has specialized into turning reality into fun-house reflections. For instance - here you'll find out how good economic news is spun as bad. Here you'll find out how the media discounts progress in Iraq.

Yet we're supposed to believe they offer an honest, unbiased view of the world. We're supposed to think they offer an honest, unbiased view of our government - of the state of the economy, of the state of our country.

They form the basis of what millions of people believe. They drive public opinion. You see it yourself with Obama and Hillary - you remember Dan Quayle? Was Quayle a stumbler and bumbler - or is it just the way he was presented by the media?

And what opportunity do you have to discover what Bush is actually like, or Obama, or Hillary, outside of how they're presented by the media? There were plenty of stories about Hillary's shrieking arguements with Bill - and speculation she should be charged as a spouse abuser. But if the media ignores them - who would know? You hear about McCain's temper - what about Queen Hillary?

We all base opinions on what we see, hear, and read. I've read Bush's book - "A Charge To Keep" - it's what made me decide to vote for him over Gore. The man in that is not the one shown by the media. Perhaps the real man lies somewhere between the two - but you'll never see him portrayed sympathetically or even realistically in the media.

Are you demanding perfection? Are you desiring that our military and our political leadership NEVER make mistakes? Do you see a mistake as being unfortunate, or evidence of malign intent? Possibly you need to put the mirror down, Brian, and think about why you believe what you believe.

And who benefits from what you've been so carefully, carefully fed.

The hypocrisy of the Bush c... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

The hypocrisy of the Bush critics is just dripping off the walls.

I didn't know hypocrisy cam... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I didn't know hypocrisy came in liquid form. Oh, you have to consider the source of that "off the wall" comment.

Wow, Maggie, you really are... (Below threshold)
min:

Wow, Maggie, you really are afraid of being exposed as the hypocrite you are. Just keep removing comments you don't like. Stick your head a little deeper in that sand.
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