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Covering one's heads

Remember the Rachael Ray keffiyeh like scarf controversy? Two of my favorite conservative bloggers have finally chimed in on the subject.

James Joyner at Outside the Beltway writes-

The terrorists have won. Or maybe we've just gone collectively insane. That's if they were sane to start with.
More on this later.

Dr. Steven Taylor at Poliblog writes-

There is a Monty Python bit (and it may have been an album-only1 one), in which a fellow is ranting on about communists everywhere. He can't take a bath without six or seven communists jumping in with him and Koysgin was in the kitchen eating his wife's jam. Brehznev may have been in their with him as well, I can't recall and I cannot find a transcript of the thing online (curse you Google!). I do distinctly recall, however, that there were communists peeping out his wife's blouse at him.

At any rate, I think of this bit practically every time I have an encounter with the paranoid rantings of Michelle Malkin. Examples include seeing capitulation to terrorists by the UN because they used Legos in a poster. Then she sees the Reconquista because the Texas Rangers wore "Los Rangers" jerseys on Cinco de Mayo a few years ago.2

Now she is seeing terrorist capitulation because Rachel Ray wore a black and white scarf in a Dukin' Donuts ad. No, seriously. Malkin doesn't see a black and white scarf, she sees "hate couture" and "jihadi chic."

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Which was supposedly a mirror image of this:

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Really, the paranoia here is remarkable.

The paranoia is remarkable as is the stupidity. It reminds me of the Nancy Pelosi head scarf in Damascus controversy of a few years back.

Does Michelle believe crap like this she puts out, or is she just catering to a certain mindset? I started reading Michelle Malkin in late 2004. What started out as a serious and thoughtful blog comes off as mostly shrill today and I'm not the only one who thinks this. Steven Taylor writing about Michelle today 'One thing is for sure: if one wishes to succeed in the blogging business, one sure way is to be sure to be as ideological and shrill as possible.' When did Michelle change? I lost some respect for her when she basically told William F Buckley to shut up two years back. That shows to me a very fixed or narrow mind at work. Why the change? I'd only be guessing

Professor Stephen Bambridge has his own theory-

Or maybe not. Malkin and Johnson seem to have internalized what I call the "Ann Coulter Business Model." It's a familiar concept, based on a couple of simple propositions. First, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Second, as the sage Charles Barley observed, the meek may inherit the earth, but they don't get the ball. To stand out from a crowd, you've got to be provocative. You've got to make your friends--and, almost as important, if not more so, your enemies--keep tuning in to see what you're going to say next.

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In sum, there's a method to the madness.

Doug at Below the Beltway wrote- 'Michelle, sweetie, it's a flippin' scarf. Calm the heck down, `kay ?' Unfortunately I don't see any calming down from Michelle in the near future.

The Rachael Ray advertisement was back in the news today as Dunkin Donuts pulled the 'offending ad'. If this was meant to sedate certain hysterical people, it didn't. Debbie Schlussel speaks up-

Recently, Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs broke the story of how Rachael Ray wore a keffiyeh--the jihadist's fave accessory--in a Dunkin' Donuts online ad. As a result of the uproar in the blogosphere, Dunkin' Donuts apologized, saying it was a stylist's mistake and that the ad would no longer run. Pam should be very proud of her excellent work.

I've written a lot about the keffiyeh and why it is offensive, violent garb, including a recent February column on First Daughter wanna-be Meghan McCain's engagement in that "fashion" offense.

What fashion offense are we talking about? I'll let Debbie supply the photos.

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Which Debbie compared to this.

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My mother had a blanket of a similar color. I guess that makes me the son of a terrorist sympathizer. Not one to go quietly into the night, Michelle Malkin had the above Meghan McCain photo in a post of hers titled the 'keffiyeh kerfuffle' She making note of a blogger's receipt of hate mail from 'see-no-evil monkeys'

Leave it to fellow animals Steven and James to again point out how silly all of this is. First Steven-

Well, keeping that in mind, consider the horror that is:

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And, my, but they get them young these days:

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The only conclusion that I can draw is that the terrorists are everywhere, and western civilization as we know it is over. Maybe, if we're lucky, the Mexican reconquista will come to pass to liberate us from our Jihadi masters.

We are all doomed.

Maybe some Jedi Master can save us.

James Joyner updated his earlier post with this fun photo.

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Why is anyone worried about Rachael Ray? Look! The mother of the President is a fan of Arafat. James went on to add '(And while we're on the subject, what's with the extraneous "a" in Ray's first name? Perhaps another homage to Arafat? Or . . . Al Qaeda?)'

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*grabs popcorn*... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

*grabs popcorn*

Malkin and those who are up... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Malkin and those who are up in arms over this accessory worn purely as a scarf and not as some sort of symbolic terrorist message should be ashamed of themselves. There was no need for this uproar. Pure hysteria. And I don't mind Michelle Malkin that much.

I have a brown shirt I like... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

I have a brown shirt I like a lot. It doesn't mean I have any sort of affinity for the Nazis.

People are morons and slaves to celebrities/media when it comes to fashion.

Did corporations like Dinkins Donuts ever have a set of stones or have they always been craven in the face of a petulant mob?

Have to admire her business... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Have to admire her business sense, specifically her pandering to the stupidest people in the country. Gas-huffing xenophobes have bad memories and are more likely to forget the numerous occasions she has embarrassed herself and, by association, her flying monkey brigades.

I agree, this is much ado a... (Below threshold)

I agree, this is much ado about mostly nothing.

My take on it is this: If RR--or, more accurately, her stylist--wishes to symbolically align herself with the Palestinian cause by wearing the traditional headdress donned by terrorists and organizations like the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah, then fine. In the end, she looks just as dumb and ill-informed as the kids who go around wearing Che Guevera and Lenin t-shirts thinking he was a neato guys.

Um, add "they" and "were" i... (Below threshold)

Um, add "they" and "were" in place of "he" and "was" in that last sentence. My bad. Itchy Submit finger.

"...gas-huffing xenophobes.... (Below threshold)

"...gas-huffing xenophobes..."

Hmm, wow. I guess somebody's been busy boning up their "Bombastic Liberal Hyperbole Soundbites and Pithyy Qiups" pamphlet picked up at the local independent book store.

Aw shucks, don't make me bl... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Aw shucks, don't make me blush Peter!

It is unseemly for one blog... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

It is unseemly for one blogger to criticize another. Michelle is not right all the time and neither is any other blogger. What is the big deal? ww

Naturally, there's also no ... (Below threshold)
Laura:

Naturally, there's also no problem with swastikas and white hoods. Just because something one might wear is normally associated with something really bad, there's no reason for the rest of us to get all paranoid and avoid it.

Apart from the harmless and... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Apart from the harmless and for-fun "American Idol" ranking posts, I don't think I've disagreed with a Wizbang post more than this.

Michelle isn't Chicken Little claiming "terrorists everywhere", she merely pointed out the apathy and ignorance of celebtards... and yes, that is a kaffiyeh.

Laura had a very astute observation about swastikas and white hoods in the previous comment. Idiot kids wear "Che" T-shirts, ignorant of who they are idolizing... Why should this representation be any less offensive?

I would understand the ridicule if people went all batsh*t crazy over the Rachael Ray scarf incident, but that's not the case here. Michelle, and others, attempted to raise awareness of how symbols of hate and vileness creep into the mainstream with the help of those in the forefront of the media who lack understanding.

A simple "nothing to see here" would have been O.K. for this story, but to bash a fellow blogger who has done, and continues to do excellent work for the "non-moonbat" side simply for noting it is ridiculous.

Bill, don't you know that t... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Bill, don't you know that this site feeds on Malkin? You are really shooting yourself in the foot here. Seriously, probably 10% of all the stories here are Malkin fed.

Cheers to you for being astute, jeers to your Malkin-minion colleagues.

More than 10%. If Michelle... (Below threshold)
Mike:

More than 10%. If Michelle Malkin's blog disappeared, Cassie Fiano would pretty much be out of material.

Wow Bill, backed up by jp2.... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Wow Bill, backed up by jp2... Speaks volumes.

Oh now leave jp2 alone SOTG... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Oh now leave jp2 alone SOTG. He's hungry for validation in return.

symbols of hate and vile... (Below threshold)

symbols of hate and vileness creep into the mainstream with the help of those in the forefront of the media who lack understanding.

I appreciate the kind words, but I do have to disagree with you on this one minor point... I don't think the media lacks understanding. Based on their coverage, (or lack of, where Pallywood is concerned) I think the media is certainly advocating for one side.

I definitely agree with you and with Peter F on this - wearing this scarf is akin to the idiot Che and Lenin tee shirt. Wearing the clothes doesn't make them murderers, and they have every right to sartorially associate with anyone they please. But we have every right, and I think an obligation, so that the true history doesn't get even more whitewashed, to call them out on it.

oh shit.I have $12... (Below threshold)

oh shit.

I have $1200 worth of paisley ties I have to junk now.

Symbolism. It's a "me" thing.

But we have every right,... (Below threshold)

But we have every right, and I think an obligation, so that the true history doesn't get even more whitewashed, to call them out on it.

In the words of Ned Flanders: "Abso-posi-lu-tive-ly, neighborino!"

A point I missed.

This could possibly be the ... (Below threshold)

This could possibly be the greatest blog post ever.
My fellow right wing wifey already made the fashion point anyway....the style is INDIAN....

Not everything is political and not every ad exec trying to make money has a political agenda.

If the lefty and righty folks who see this as a tempest in a teapot can assemble maybe we can pass a law to have Sharon Stone caned in public.

Shipmate,I was qui... (Below threshold)
Pat:

Shipmate,

I was quite sad to see you write this. I come here (to Wizbang) for one reason, to read Jay Tea. This "harmless" scarf is the symbol (or one of them) of people who shout "death to USA" on a daily basis. And I thought MM was quite clear on this. Oh well, another Wizbang writer to skip. . .

A simple "nothing to see... (Below threshold)

A simple "nothing to see here" would have been O.K. for this story, but to bash a fellow blogger who has done, and continues to do excellent work for the "non-moonbat" side simply for noting it is ridiculous.

Godfather, you and I agree most of the time but dare I say this a moonbat approach to free speech....an American University one at that. Sometimes people we admire can be wrong . I love Michelle....but to encourage no debate of ideas because to do so would revoke our membership in an ideological community is moonbat on crack.

After reading this posting ... (Below threshold)
uncledonnie:

After reading this posting by Mr Jempty, I thought that I had gone to WizbangBlue in error. Enough said.

The second half of this pos... (Below threshold)
RYO:

The second half of this post seems a bit of a stretch. I don't recall (though I don't read Malkin's blog, among others) any criticisms actually levied by anyone about fashion items (or tablecloths for that matter) that merely resemble a kaffiyeh. The criticisms that I have come across have all been about actual kaffiyehs (which are fairly easy to distinguish even in my heterosexualized opinion).

Really, Bill, this is an un... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Really, Bill, this is an unusually disingenuous post for you.

Infidel, point taken. My ow... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Infidel, point taken. My own point wasn't "Rachael Ray should not wear a kaffiyeh", it was "It's o.k. to point out celebtard ignorance without getting walloped".

Most probably see these type of things as harmless fashion statements... They may be right.
I see them as mainstreaming hate through (likely) unsuspecting dupes.

really folks, does a scarf ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

really folks, does a scarf signify an idealogy or do one's actions while wearing the scarf indicate it? Come on. It would be quite another thing if she were wearing it around her head with a bag of coffee and a machine gun in her hands. There are plenty people out there that wear this article of clothing who are not terrorists.

Michelle Malkin. Hysteria p... (Below threshold)

Michelle Malkin. Hysteria personified.

http://jackrabbitcafe.blogspot.com/2008/05/unreal.html

JR - so if I wore a swastik... (Below threshold)

JR - so if I wore a swastika to a client meeting, it would be reasonable for me to expect they wouldn't notice it or shouldn't draw any conclusions about my choice to wear it?

I think Bill is just puttin... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

I think Bill is just putting his ignorance on display along with a few other bloggers.

It's one thing to wear something that resembles a particularly vile symbol. It's another thing all together to wear a kaffiyeh and then pretend that it just looks like a kaffiyeh and therefore, anyone who takes acception to it would also take acception to anything that looks like it.

I don't read Michelle Malkin anymore, not since she went crazy over the ports deal, but in this she is right.

Laura, please look to my fi... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Laura, please look to my first question. And so does every single person who wears this scarf buy into the jihad?

The swatiska has no other purpose today other than to signify hate and nazism. This scarf is worn by many people for many years who are not jihadists.

Give me a break.

JR - The scarf is an emblem... (Below threshold)

JR - The scarf is an emblem for the Palestinians- terror supporters and terrorists. They danced in the streets on 9/11. They elected a terrorist government (not just my opinion - even the weenies at Foggy Bottom agree Hamas is a terrorist group.) They purposely lob missiles at schools and civilians. Jewish genocide isn't just a dream for them - it is an actual plank on their political platform.

This scarf isn't some random Hermes pattern. It's the design made popular by the symbol of Palestinian terror. It's a symbol of Arafat, and has been for many years.

That's what people who wear it are supporting. The difference between this particular scarf and the swastika is one of degree, not kind. People who wear it either do so out of ignorance, or to show support. In either case, they should be called out on it.

really folks, does a sca... (Below threshold)

really folks, does a scarf signify an idealogy or do one's actions while wearing the scarf indicate it?

Really, folks, does a swastika signify an idealogy or do one's actions while wearing the swastika indicate it?

Probably the most clueless ... (Below threshold)
Kat:

Probably the most clueless post I have read on Wizbang.
So what do you think about the Che Chic that is invading mainstream culture like Target? Much ado about nothing or more leftist idealogy sneaking into the mainstream.
Would it be wrong to remind you that you are no Michelle or Charles? Ok. I won't.

"Disingenuous"? Why don't y... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"Disingenuous"? Why don't you respect the English language, SPQR? Presumably you just mean wrong; if not, just call Bill a liar and be done with it.

You people are insane. That isn't even a keffiyeh. It's like getting mad at a Buddhist for wearing swastika-esque crossed lightning bolts. And even if it was, as J.R. said, any Palestinian might wear one, not just the ones who commit or advocate for acts of violence. Swastikas are different in kind. Palestinians are not Nazis.

MM does have a point, sort ... (Below threshold)
thecomputerguy:

MM does have a point, sort of.

I always thought the scarves made the terrorists look gay.

It is unseemly for one b... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It is unseemly for one blogger to criticize another.

Funniest comment ever.

It's not like we've never s... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

It's not like we've never seen 'celeb-tard ignorance' before.

Lets see. A race baiting, x... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Lets see. A race baiting, xenophobic, gasbag who makes a living being a "nattering nabob of negativity" shows her xenphobia and hatred and the usual legions come forward to defend her. What's next? Will the rightwing advocate for fashion police with punishment for wearing anything vaguely resembling something or some group they don't like being imprisonment in a gulag in, say, Cuba?

Laura, can you please cite ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Laura, can you please cite references that show that in the history of this scarf it has always been worn to symbolize the destrucation of Israel?

So what you are saying is that everyone in the Middle East who wears this is a terrorist or at least believes in the total destruction of the west? Is that really what you believe?

Look closely folks, that sc... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Look closely folks, that scarf in the donut commercial still is not the same pattern as the one in the Arafat photo. Nor is Ms. McCain's scarf. I suppose I need to throw out the white bandanna I sometimes wear in the summer lest someone who doesn't pay much attention to detail accuse me of "terrorist chic".

To complete the ad Hitlerium analogies, it's like seeing someone clad with a cross and complaining they're wearing a swastika.

Not to support the theory t... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Not to support the theory that the scarf was worn as a political statement, Baron V, because I doubt it was. It doesn't look like the one in the Arafat photo, but some argue that it does look like this one.

Bill *is* being a bit disingenuous in comparing a keffiyeh that is as far from the same as possible.

Godfather, you're the man. ... (Below threshold)

Godfather, you're the man. Appreciate your point of view and don't discount it.

To agree with you a bit, no industry has done more propagandizing than Hollywood. You know, every show has the horny dumb husband and the nobel homosexual (not that many aren't) because you have a bunch of looneys with money isolated from mainstream America pushing an agenda.
I just don't see Rachael as that person....but hey, Michele isn't stupid. To quote Frank Zappa....any publicity is good publicity and all media outlets are discussing this.

Infidel - Agree 100%. I don... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Infidel - Agree 100%. I don't "blame" Ms.Ray for not being cognisant of the symbolism, and I certainly don't blame Michelle for pointing it out.

All in all, it's a very minor story with little-to-no impact... The (IMHO, unwarranted) Malkin-bash is what caught my attention on this one.

There are far more important issues, and I thought the post crying "reich-wing hysteria!" seemed out of place, especially here.

Now, I must go involve myself in much more pressing subject matter... Such as Sharon Stone's philosophy of Karmic Vengeance or Charlie Sheens impressive "troofer" dissertations. ;)

Tell me again why this sort... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Tell me again why this sort of nonsense isn't being posted over at WizBang Blue where it belongs ?

Jempy is hardly a conservative, much less a libertarian. A fish out of water here ...

That said he brings up alot of great strawman arguments that he then shoot down with gusto ...

Once again the liberal brings a pen knife to the intellectual gun fight ... not just weak, actually complete nonsense ... he obviously didn't even the original MM post ... but lets not facts get in the way Bill ...

Why don't you stick to you Knuckle Head of the Day Award ... in fact I think your post actually qualifies as one :)

Jempty stepped in it. Just ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Jempty stepped in it. Just sayin'.

Laura, can you please ci... (Below threshold)

Laura, can you please cite references that show that in the history of this scarf it has always been worn to symbolize the destrucation of Israel?

Straw man. The scarf has been worn since the 20s, I believe, but since the Arafat and the PLO in the 60s it's more popularly associated with Palestinian terror. That's why American students at Berkeley wear it, for example; you see it at a lot of protests, particularly by people carrying anti-Israel signs. In today's pop culture, it's associated with (depending on how you look at it) the destruction of Israel or the promotion of a state of Palestine.

So what you are saying is that everyone in the Middle East who wears this is a terrorist

Straw man again. Most Palestinians (as evidenced most recently by their election of Hamas) support terror as a tool for eradicating Israel. From the Hamas charter:

"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. [...] Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. [...] There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

There's a lot more there. Hamas conducts and supports terror, and Palestinians as a group support Hamas; and of course Hamas itself isn't some random group, it consists of Palestinians and serves as their government which is pledged to the destruction of our ally, a democratic state. People who support Palestinians support terror. People who wear the scarf - either through ignorance or purposely - show support for purposeful targeting of civilians, suicide bombs, and more.

No, Laura, that's what y... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No, Laura, that's what you and your ilk associate it with. Personally, I associate it with the bargain bin at Urban Outfitters. It's a cliché, and poses no more of a threat to Israel than a Guevara t-shirt poses to democracy.

And for the umpteenth frickin' time: she wasn't even wearing a keffiyeh. That you see a keffiyeh where other people see a black and white scarf speaks to your own psychological goings-on, and not any ill will towards Israel on behalf of anyone affiliated with Dunkin' Donuts.

Bill was right to call out Malkin for being a lunatic that likes to fire up her flying monkeys with tendentious nonsense like this, rather than focusing on matters that, you know, matter. She's impervious to embarrassment or humiliation, but that doesn't mean everyone who shares any or all of her views needs to be just as stupid as her.

People who support... (Below threshold)
J.R.:
People who support Palestinians support terror. People who wear the scarf - either through ignorance or purposely - show support for purposeful targeting of civilians, suicide bombs, and more.

Wow. So according to your warped world view Laura, Rachel Ray is supporting the murder of innocent civilians?? Maybe not outwardly, but through her ignornance, is that it? All because she is wearing a scarf.

And please if you are going to accuse me of using a straw man, at least know what you are talking about. It is not a mischaracterization of your point when I ask for a history of the keffiyeh. And you contradict yourself when you accuse me again with this:

So what you are saying is that everyone in the Middle East who wears this is a terrorist

Straw man again. Most Palestinians (as evidenced most recently by their election of Hamas) support terror as a tool for eradicating Israel. From the Hamas charter:

How is my complete sentence that also includes this: or at least believes in the total destruction of the west?, different from your quote at the top of my post?

I'm afraid it is your ignorance on display here, not the one wearing a scarf.

Scarves kill.... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Scarves kill.

Lapel pins prove patriotism... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Lapel pins prove patriotism.

Scarves kill.<... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Scarves kill.

I haven't heard anybody say that, but I will say this: I wouldn't wear one. And I think what is key is why I wouldn't. I spend a considerable amount of time in Israel for business. I have many friends there, some Israelis and some not. I have a tremendous amount of respect for what Israel has accomplished in 60 years. The only democracy in the region, a strong and thriving high-tech business, and beautiful cities. Contrast that with , oh I dunno, Syria...or Iran...or Saudi Arabia.

I would never wish for my Israeli friends to see me wearing a keffiyeh with that particular pattern, because I understand how much pain it would cause them. The fact is that keffiyeh is associated with Palestinian terrorists groups. Sorry, it's just stupid to deny that.

Now, having said that, I admit that the jury is out on whether Ray was wearing a keffiyeh of the 'Arafat' pattern and that perhaps the uproar was premature. I don't want us to start seeing terrorist scarves on everyone. OTOH, the keffiyeh-chic in Hollywood is a bad trend, as far as I'm concerned. C'mon, we know what they're saying, either out of ignorance or arrogance.

This is the most I've said on this issue...and probably the most I will say.

I would never wish for m... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I would never wish for my Israeli friends to see me wearing a keffiyeh with that particular pattern, because I understand how much pain it would cause them.

Gee, none of my Israeli friends would be writhing in pain at the sight of a keffiyeh (or shemagh, or any other scarf). Maybe my Israeli friends are just a bit less delicate than yours.

However, I wouldn't wear any scarf with the Arafat pattern either, if I were in Israel (I don't wear scarves at all, but I digress). It's because the cultural significance of the thing is very sensitive there. I also wouldn't expect to see a swastika in Israel, but if I were in India I wouldn't bat an eye, as the symbol has an entirely different, and much older, meaning in Hinduism. And I would guess that 99.9% of Americans are ignorant to the cultural significance of the keffiyeh in the Middle East.

Of course, none of that even matters as Ray is wearing a scarf with a different pattern! Malkin is unhinged.

I admit that the jury is out on whether Ray was wearing a keffiyeh of the 'Arafat' pattern and that perhaps the uproar was premature.

Premature uproar from Malkin & Co.? The hell you say.

Maybe my Israeli friends... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Maybe my Israeli friends are just a bit less delicate than yours.

I wouldn't wear any scarf with the Arafat pattern either, if I were in Israel ...because the cultural significance of the thing is very sensitive there.

Uhm...Which is it? Maybe I don't understand.

How is my complete sente... (Below threshold)

How is my complete sentence that also includes this: or at least believes in the total destruction of the west?

That was just retarded, and I left it out in an effort to not repeat things you *should* be embarrassed about. I never said anything, and I doubt anyone else did, about the "total destruction of the west;" you basically pulled that right out of your nether regions. It's a total mischaracterization of what I wrote and of the basic argument people on my side are making. Just like when you out yourself as either dumb or disingenuous when you say "ALWAYS been worn to symbolize the destruction of Israel." If you know anything about it, you know that's not the case, just like if you know anything about it, you know it's a fairly recent development. Recent history, that people OUGHT to know about, and if they don't shame on them.

Look, if you don't want to have a rational, civil discussion about this, don't. But there are a lot of people, myself included, who find the Arafat-style keffiyeh every bit as offensive as a swastika. If you don't want to understand that or give the concept a fair hearing, then don't. I'm certainly not going to try to make you. You probably don't understand why Cameron Diaz and her Mao Zedong purse were offensive either. Move along, citizen. Nothing to see here.

I would guess that 99.9%... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I would guess that 99.9% of Americans are ignorant to the cultural significance of the keffiyeh in the Middle East

And I would differ with you. My impression is that the majority of the keffiyeh-chic are aware that they're saying something. So, humor me a minute: Let's say that they are aware of the cultural significance, as you and I are. If so, then what exactly are they saying by wearing it?

"...and probably the most I... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"...and probably the most I will say."

Heh.

Umm... howzabout keffiyehs ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Umm... howzabout keffiyehs look good on top of a white American Apparel t-shirt? Or... keffiyehs look good with black and white checked Vans deck shoes? Or... their necks are cold so they bought a fucking scarf?

I did say probably. ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I did say probably. And since your comment, I'll probably say more.

their necks are cold so ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

their necks are cold so they bought a fucking scarf?

I love civil discourse. Don't you?

Fucking right, amigo.... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Fucking right, amigo.

Sorry, I wasn't swearing at you. My friends and family (Irish Catholics) speak to one another like that when we're happy/exasperated/bored with one another.

On topic (sort of), check out www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com (or whatever the URL is) and read the bit about scarves. That blog is money in the bank, and I should know: I'm a white person, who likes stuff.

Sorry, I wasn't swearing... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Sorry, I wasn't swearing at you.

And I'm not pissed. I just thought that you provided a very flip answer to, what I thought was, a relevant question. So, I'll try again.

If the significance of a thing is understood within a cultural context (as mantis has said he understands), then isn't there a positive or negative statement being spoken?

I'm not talking about culturally ignorant people who wear keffiyehs or Che t-shirts or bedsheets without considering the significance of such. But, if you understand the cultural significance, yet choose to wear a keffiyeh...then what is your message?

if...then...what?

Jempty appropriately filed ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Jempty appropriately filed his post under dumbasses. Though, he probably didn't consider that it may apply to the author of the post.

No. I think "dumbass" is th... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No. I think "dumbass" is the sort of person who likely holds his or her freedom of speech dearly, but gets his or her knickers in a knot when a celebrity wears something that resembles something that offends him or her.

I don't think most people consider what they're going to put on as reflective of a political viewpoint. I think that a few hundred thousand people saw their favourite movie stars or musicians wearing a keffiyeh, and then bought the same pattern at H&M or Urban Outfitters or whatever chain store that mass produces trendy junk. Trend: started! While some black and white scarf wearers might make noises about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that you don't agree with, I don't think a TV chef pimping shitty donuts was really trying to make a political statement with a wardrobe she didn't choose; and I bet the production assistant that picked that cheap looking piece of yesteryear as part of his or her wardrobe has an ironic Vanilla Ice haircut and makes $25,000 per year.

Relax, Clay. Malkin went berserk over something completely inconsequential, and you're wasting your time trying to rationalize a fear of black and white houndstooth scarves. There's basketball on TV.

Stephen Colbert just made f... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Stephen Colbert just made fun of Malkin's cartoonish reaction to something that bears too close a resemblance to a Palestinian symbol, but isn't one. His educated elitist Islamo-Marxist Manhattanite audience had a laugh, because it's funny.

I don't think most peopl... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I don't think most people consider what they're going to put on as reflective of a political viewpoint.

For crying out loud. I asked if...

But, never mind. I grow weary of this thread, as has everyone else.

What would make you think I wasn't relaxed? I'm cool, nothing's bothering me. In the whole scheme of things, this is barely a blip.

Your comment @ 5:15 deserve... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Your comment @ 5:15 deserved a more thoughtful response than I gave it. That there is a whole 'nother tread unto itself.




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