Prominent British anti-gun activist Pat Regan was found dead in her home, having been stabbed to death, allegedly by her grandson. This is just such a tragedy... why, if only she'd had some way of defending herself!!
The grandson of prominent anti-gun campaigner Pat Regan has been arrested on suspicion of stabbing her to death.Mrs Regan, 53, was discovered at the property on Marlborough Grange in the Hyde Park area of Leeds on Sunday.
The mother-of-six started campaigning against gun crime when her son Danny was shot dead in 2002.
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Mrs Regan set up a Leeds branch of Mothers Against Guns after her son Danny, 25, was shot at his home in Haydock, near St Helens, Merseyside in December 2002. His killer has not been found.
She had met government officials to discuss how to tackle the problems of guns and gang-related crime.
I thought that crime would disappear if guns were outlawed, though! Well, I guess this just goes to show us that what we really need to do is outlaw ALL weapons. Here's a list to start us off:
And really, this is just a partial list. Feel free to add your own suggestions to possible weapons. There are so many things that people can use to murder people, that the only really and truly way to have a perfect, safe utopia is to outlaw anything that a bad guy can use as a weapon. I mean, it only makes sense, because if the government outlaws it, then everyone will immediately stop using it. Banning weapons means that all crime will come to a halt!!
Now, does anyone think that this logic makes any sense whatsoever?
No?
Then explain to me how banning guns makes sense, as it's exactly the same thing.
I really don't understand the logic behind "gun control". Making guns illegal takes them out of the hands of law-abiding citizens... and leaves them in the hands of criminals, who won't care about breaking the law. They'll love it, having a world of defenseless victims at their mercy.
Take me for example, or this woman -- a grandmother. Being unarmed means that you are always a potential victim, especially being a woman. No matter how much I may fight or struggle, a man will ultimately win in a battle of brute force. Having a gun means that I can fight back, defend myself, and keep myself safe. If this woman had possessed a gun, she could've shot the person who killed her and still be alive today. Now, this does not mean that owning a gun means that you'll never be robbed or raped or murdered, but it does give you a much better chance at survival than if you were simply unarmed. And don't anyone say that mase or pepper spray can do the same thing. It can't, and that's the stupidest comparison anyone could possibly make.
This woman's death is an example of why law-abiding citizens need guns. Of course, I wouldn't force anyone to own one, but I sure as hell won't let them tell me I can't have one, either. It's not my problem if you can't understand the benefits of being able to defend yourself if anyone ever attacks you, breaks into your house, or tries to hurt you somehow.
This is why (and this especially goes out to all you liberals out there) guns are a good thing. Guns are our friends. If you're a gun owner, you have a very good chance of keeping senseless tragedies like this from happening.
Hat Tip: Moonbattery
Comments (51)
Heck, we might as well Fish... (Below threshold)1. Posted by bobdog | June 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Heck, we might as well Fisher-Price the whole damned planet...
On the other hand, we could just round them all up, the Green Peacers, the Global Warming Luddites, the Vegans, the Pacifists, liberals, the PETA types, the gun grabbers, the enviro-whackos, the tree huggers and force them to agree with each other for once. They'll start killing each other off within an hour or so.
Natural Selection in its purest form. Peace, love and harmony returns. Free beer for everyone.
My work here is done.
1. Posted by bobdog | June 2, 2008 4:18 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 16:18
2. Posted by ptg | June 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Home cooking needs to be banned. It requires demonstrably deadly tools, such as knives, but provides opportunities for poisoning. State cafeterias would provide a clean, safe place to eat.
2. Posted by ptg | June 2, 2008 4:19 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 16:19
3. Posted by cstmbuild | June 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Rocks......for obvious reason
Dirt........suffocation by burying alive
Water.....drowning
Food.......use to hide posion or can be spoiled
Gravity....throw someone off a building
Liberals....stupidity kills....okay, this one isn't a bad idea.
3. Posted by cstmbuild | June 2, 2008 4:32 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 16:32
4. Posted by Master Shake | June 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
The dreaded flatus, of course - they don't call it "silent but deadly" for nothing!
Plus, it contributes to global warmening!!1!1!!
4. Posted by Master Shake | June 2, 2008 4:43 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 16:43
5. Posted by Mycroft | June 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Gun control means being able to hit your target.
In that sense I am all for gun control.
5. Posted by Mycroft | June 2, 2008 5:01 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 17:01
6. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
I'm not sure a gun would have worked in this case. It might be too hard for a grandma to kill her grandson. Not saying no grandma could kill a grandchild, but it's not something anyone can accurately predict until they are in that position.
That said, those who choose to disarm themselves have already decided they won't or can't use deadly force under any circumstance against any perpetrator to protect themselves or their family. I prefer to defer the final decision on using deadly force until I know who I need to kill and for what purpose. I can always decide not to use a weapon, but if I don't have one handy I can't choose to use one.
6. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 2, 2008 5:07 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 17:07
7. Posted by Anon Y. Mous | June 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
7. Posted by Anon Y. Mous | June 2, 2008 5:08 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 17:08
8. Posted by David | June 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Sharp pasties that Madonna had several tours ago, they could poke somebody's eyes out.
8. Posted by David | June 2, 2008 5:17 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 17:17
9. Posted by mantis (gun owner) | June 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Score: -15 (21 votes cast)
This is just such a tragedy... why, if only she'd had some way of defending herself!!
Nothing like finding enjoyment in someone else's death, eh Cassy? A bit of a contrast from your outrage earlier today though, isn't it? I guess it all depends on who gets killed (death of marine in Iraq = not funny; death of grandma in England = hilarious irony!).
Stay classy, Cassy.
9. Posted by mantis (gun owner) | June 2, 2008 5:18 PM |
Score: -15 (21 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 17:18
10. Posted by hyperbolist | June 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Score: -15 (19 votes cast)
Why don't you spend five seconds comparing murder rates, by firearm or otherwise, between countries with restrictive gun policies (Scandinavia, England, Canada, Japan) and the United States? Finding an anecdote every few days or weeks of a defenseless person being gunned down does not speak to the overall question of whether or not gun laws are too restrictive, though it sure is fun to wave the article around like a scalp, isn't it? For f**k's sake, somebody was murdered, you ghoul.
If you sincerely believe that homicide rates in the U.S. would plummet if everyone walked around with a sidearm, then you're hopelessly retarded.
10. Posted by hyperbolist | June 2, 2008 5:33 PM |
Score: -15 (19 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 17:33
11. Posted by cryptoref | June 2, 2008 6:15 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
We should outlaw spoons also, as they will hurt more
11. Posted by cryptoref | June 2, 2008 6:15 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 18:15
12. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 2, 2008 6:17 PM | Score: 14 (18 votes cast)
hyperbolist, you can find those stats yourself, in just a few minutes, by comparing gun deaths in U.S. cities with restricted gun control (Washington D.C., Cleveland,) and cities with concealed carry (Dallas, Denver.) The F.B.I. provides all those stats on their website.
Of course if one of us patient gunowners did your homework for you, you'd ignore our work and scream and rant about guns, because logic and reason are not where you operate. So I'm not going to waste my time and yours.
Homocide rates in the U.S would plummet if everyone walked around with a sidearm. That is the truth, and the more states that adopt concealed carry the more obvious it is.
12. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 2, 2008 6:17 PM |
Score: 14 (18 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 18:17
13. Posted by max | June 2, 2008 6:26 PM | Score: -15 (17 votes cast)
If only she had been able to gun down her own grandson everything would be right with the world. Poetic justice, huh Cassy?
I pity you.
13. Posted by max | June 2, 2008 6:26 PM |
Score: -15 (17 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 18:26
14. Posted by hyperbolist | June 2, 2008 6:28 PM | Score: -10 (16 votes cast)
Yeah, Dallas has the ideal murder rate. Not Amsterdam, or Stockholm, or Tokyo, or Seoul, or Montreal...
Nice benchmark (D.C.). Why not Baghdad? Guns don't make people safe. Guns create a perception of safety when everybody has resigned themselves to everybody else maybe carrying one.
14. Posted by hyperbolist | June 2, 2008 6:28 PM |
Score: -10 (16 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 18:28
15. Posted by 914 | June 2, 2008 6:57 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Rest assured Her Grandson respected Her opinion and used a steak knife..
15. Posted by 914 | June 2, 2008 6:57 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 18:57
16. Posted by Scrapiron | June 2, 2008 7:00 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Short and sweet comment. Good!
16. Posted by Scrapiron | June 2, 2008 7:00 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 19:00
17. Posted by William Teach
| June 2, 2008 7:13 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Sgt.:
Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion fruit...
All:
We done the passion fruit.
A bit of Monty Python
17. Posted by William Teach
| June 2, 2008 7:13 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 19:13
18. Posted by JLawson | June 2, 2008 7:22 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Hyperbolist:
"Guns don't make people safe."
Neither do laws. Oddly enough, the criminal doesn't care about them. And there's no magical number where another law suddenly renders the whole concept self-enforcing.
Criminals are always looking for an advantage over their victim. Making sure the victim is disarmed is a very good one.
18. Posted by JLawson | June 2, 2008 7:22 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 19:22
19. Posted by Clay | June 2, 2008 7:42 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Guns create a perception of safety when everybody has resigned themselves to everybody else maybe carrying one.
Now, how could one begin to argue with this logic?
"But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger." Ayn Rand
19. Posted by Clay | June 2, 2008 7:42 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 19:42
20. Posted by GarandFan
| June 2, 2008 7:55 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
"Guns create a perception of safety"
Too bad grandma didn't have that perception.
20. Posted by GarandFan
| June 2, 2008 7:55 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 19:55
21. Posted by jp2 | June 2, 2008 9:23 PM | Score: -10 (14 votes cast)
"This is just such a tragedy... why, if only she'd had some way of defending herself!!"
What a pitiful, petty and childish thing to say. Stay classy, Wizbang.
21. Posted by jp2 | June 2, 2008 9:23 PM |
Score: -10 (14 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 21:23
22. Posted by Mr Kennedy | June 2, 2008 9:24 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Guns don't kill people, crazies with steak knives do.
22. Posted by Mr Kennedy | June 2, 2008 9:24 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 21:24
23. Posted by glenn | June 2, 2008 9:55 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
So are we confusing cause and effect here. Maybe there have been two murders in this family because they are wackadoodle people. That might explain the most recent victims position on gun control.
23. Posted by glenn | June 2, 2008 9:55 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 21:55
24. Posted by John F Not Kerry | June 2, 2008 10:21 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Biting Sarcasm
24. Posted by John F Not Kerry | June 2, 2008 10:21 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 22:21
25. Posted by Hal | June 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Yea, see this link to see how bunches of people owning a gun will turn the place into the wild west!
25. Posted by Hal | June 2, 2008 10:29 PM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 22:29
26. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 2, 2008 11:30 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
We read "Snow Treasure" this spring. (We read books out loud as a family in the evenings.) Snow Treasure is based on the true story of the brave Norwegians who smuggled gold out of occupied Norway.
We just finished "Number the Stars" where brave Dane smuggled Jews to Sweden before the Nazis could kill them.
Both brave little countries were unarmed in the face of the Nazis. They had no navies, no armies, no guns. Thus they were abused, tortured, humiliated and murdered.
We should never forget what happened to those people. When an "anti gun activist" is murdered with a knife, we should never fail to point this out, as Cassy did, to remember what happens to gentle people who believe they are safe if they act like sheep.
Yeah, I'm invoking Godwin's law. Whatever. Sometimes you gotta invoke the law.
26. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 2, 2008 11:30 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 2, 2008 23:30
27. Posted by hyperbolist | June 3, 2008 12:38 AM | Score: -7 (9 votes cast)
Czechoslovakia and France and Poland had a lot of guns and they did just fine in WW II, so I see your point.
Lots of developed countries with heavily restrictive gun laws have so many fewer gun homicides than the United States that it would be insane not to explore the reasons for this at a sociological level.
27. Posted by hyperbolist | June 3, 2008 12:38 AM |
Score: -7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 00:38
28. Posted by LoadTheMule | June 3, 2008 12:39 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
A well-armed society is a polite society.
Regards...
28. Posted by LoadTheMule | June 3, 2008 12:39 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 00:39
29. Posted by WildWillie | June 3, 2008 7:23 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
You liberals like to spew your enlightened wisdom of "can't we all just get a long" but that pesky 2nd amendment gets in your way every time. Thank GOD for our founding fathers who had the wisdom to know honest citizens need to be armed. ww
29. Posted by WildWillie | June 3, 2008 7:23 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 07:23
30. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 3, 2008 9:44 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
In Japan, where gun ownership is almost nil, the suicide rate is extraordinarily high. Wonder why?
Because in Japan, if a man kills his kids, then his wife, then himself, they are all listed as suicides. Hey, presto, no homicides here.
I love statistics. They are so fun to play with. The fact remains that in places where guns are plentiful in the hands of citizens the homicide rate is extremely low. In the United States our overall homicide rates are high because of our lawless, gun-restricted inner cities, perfect microcosms of the world the leftists want to impose on all of us.
30. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 3, 2008 9:44 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 09:44
31. Posted by Spurwing Plover | June 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
Now its they hadnt banned guns this antigun activst would be alive today the single most irony KNIFE CONTROL,15 DAY WAITING PERDIOD FOR THE PUCHASE OF A KNIFE and WHAT ABOUT DONNA DEES THOMAS and another MILLION MOM MARCH FOR MORE KNIFE CONTROL LAWS
31. Posted by Spurwing Plover | June 3, 2008 10:14 AM |
Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 10:14
32. Posted by hyperbolist | June 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
You're full of it, Frazetta Girl:
The fact remains that in places where guns are plentiful in the hands of citizens the homicide rate is extremely low.
That "fact" does not remain. I live in Canada. We have a lot of guns. (My dad has a cabinet full of them! Likes shooting clay pigeons! He's a very boring man.) But our gun homicide rates are far lower than yours, even in our inner cities. (Toronto does not compare to Philadelphia/D.C./Atlanta/Baltimore/New Orleans/etc.) Our gun laws are more restrictive than yours. Korea experiences almost no gun violence, and their laws are far more restrictive than ours and yours. Do you think their society would be even safer if every man who finishes his mandatory military service was then issued a sidearm to carry around?
Is an unarmed civilian thereby a dishonest civilian, WildWillie? Or an irresponsible one? You might very well be a refined, civilized person, but from what you write on the internetz, you sure come across as a reactionary hick.
32. Posted by hyperbolist | June 3, 2008 11:07 AM |
Score: -2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 11:07
33. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 3, 2008 1:16 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Hyperbolist, do your own research. It's all there for you but you don't want to look because you know you'll be proven wrong. And I'm not doing it for you.
We have the God-given right to bear arms in this country -- not granted by any government, but enshrined in our Bill of Rights as something the government cannot take from us. The reason for it is clear, as well as all the stats that prove how positive and beneficial it is.
33. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 3, 2008 1:16 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 13:16
34. Posted by Stan25 | June 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A bow and arrows have been used to kill people a long time before guns were invented, yet these weapons have not been banned.
Guess I will have to hide my bow and arrows from the next phase of violence crackdown. That is the next thing that will be on the hit list.
34. Posted by Stan25 | June 3, 2008 1:43 PM |
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Posted on June 3, 2008 13:43
35. Posted by mantis | June 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
We have the God-given right to bear arms in this country -- not granted by any government, but enshrined in our Bill of Rights as something the government cannot take from us.
What an incredibly stupid thing to write. You don't understand our Constitution at all.
35. Posted by mantis | June 3, 2008 2:25 PM |
Score: -2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 14:25
36. Posted by moseby | June 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Just think of all the money saved in court costs if potential victims blew away their attackers.
36. Posted by moseby | June 3, 2008 2:41 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2008 14:41
37. Posted by Frazetta_girl
| June 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Mantis, you're either not an American.... or you've been sadly subjected to a poor public education.
The Bill of Rights is not a list of rights granted to the people by the government, but a list of rights the government cannot infringe upon. These rights are "self-evident", in other words, they are granted by God and not by any court, law, or person. They cannot be taken away.
This is why America is the greatest country on earth, in the history of earth. We the People, baby.
And the Second Amendment, as someone said once, is simply the essence of: "And we mean it!"