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No Kings Here, Including Obama

One of my favorite stories about our first President, George Washington, concerns the period immediately after the victory at Yorktown in 1783. At long last the hated Redcoats were packing up and leaving, and the Yanks could see about putting their plan for an independent America into peacetime practice. The story goes that a grateful Continental Congress wanted to crown George Washinton as the first King of the United States, and made the offer not once but three times, before General Washington made it clear that he would wear no crown. "No kings here", he said plainly.

George Washington was a brilliant and charismatic leader, but he also understood that the nation needed a broader leadership than a monarchy could provide. Too few people realize that the Constitution of the United States was not drawn up until long after the War for Independence, and Washington's decision was one of many critical choices that proved the United States different from so many other rag-tag revolutions. The leaders of the French Revolution did not choose nearly so well in their structure and form of government, for example.

Now here comes Barack "The Messiah" Obama, and with him all manner of arrogant assumptions. Arrogant, because nowhere in these fantasies does he accept limits to his authority or whims. At best, Obama's supporters have a very poor grasp of the role of the President of the Uniited States, and at worst they mean to ignore the job's clear limits. For all the whining about imaginary abuses by President Bush, Obama's supporters expect him to be in complete control, without regard for the Constitutionally defined limits to the roles of the office. Already we are hearing how Obama will address domestic economic issues, military decisions and diplomatic overtures, taxation and spending. We have heard how the Kennedy family is 'America's Royalty' and Obama is somehow heir to a crown of indisputable right to lead the country as he chooses, without obstruction or opposition. And that scenario ought to scare anyone with a grasp of history, anyone who understands the need for the checks and balances which were carefully built into our system of government.

The President of the United States is an executive, yes, but he remains essentially an employee of the citizens of the United States, working in a position which role is limited to specific responsibilities and limits of authority.

Someone should advise Mr. Obama that there are no kings here.


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Ooh, this one's a keeper. ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ooh, this one's a keeper. Hilariously delusional, DJ. Tin foil hats all around.

"For all the whining about ... (Below threshold)
max:

"For all the whining about imaginary abuses by President Bush, Obama's supporters expect him to be in complete control, without regard for the Constitutionally defined limits to the roles of the office."

"Obama is somehow heir to a crown of indisputable right to lead the country as he chooses, without obstruction or opposition."

What the hell are you talking about? Seriously DJ, I'm starting to worry about you.

We all know how much you hate Obama, why don't you tell us how great your man McCain is? Tell us again how his not being a lawyer makes him the best man for the job. I love that part.

The first stage of any Demo... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

The first stage of any Democrat confronting Reality:

Denial

The Washington story I like... (Below threshold)
David:

The Washington story I like best was when he convinced the army not to march on Philly for back wages. We have never had a military coup, and I think we can thank Washington for that.

DJ, DJ, DJ. Please take off... (Below threshold)
kbiel Author Profile Page:

DJ, DJ, DJ. Please take off your tin foil hat and join us in reality. Of course Obama will work within the constitutional parameters of the office of President. He'll use his divine powers for all the other stuff.

Look at all the libs run an... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Look at all the libs run and panic!

I think DJ's referring to t... (Below threshold)
GarandFan Author Profile Page:

I think DJ's referring to the 'the oceans will cease to rise' comment from the Obamassiah. While I realize politicans can go to extremes in their speachifying....ya gotta admit, that one was WAY over the top.

To even include it in a speech would appear to indicate the man is starting to believe in his own press releases.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/060908.jpg

You shouldn't put quotes ar... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You shouldn't put quotes around words if they aren't, you know, a quote (where I'm from we call that lying).

I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment -- this was the time -- when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals.

Of course you have to believe that a) the oceans are rising, and b) the activities of man are causing/contributing to that rise, or at least understand that the speaker believes it. Or you could endlessly lie about what the man says. Whatever works for you.

Mantis' posts must be the w... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Mantis' posts must be the waffles that Obama finds so inviting for breakfast.

Better watch it, DJ, or Emp... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Better watch it, DJ, or Emperor Obama's Royal Guards will come after you.

Actually, I think this is t... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Actually, I think this is the part that's a bit over the top:

Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless;

That was actually a bit insulting. There's room for improvement in everything, but golly, that paints us as a bleak lot.

All I really care about is ... (Below threshold)
Diffus:

All I really care about is that Obama is going to take money from rich people and pay for my health care, my son's education, my retirement, the salvation of the planet, and a whole bunch of other stuff that rich people, who don't really need that money, can afford to pay for the benefit of people like me.

All I really care abo... (Below threshold)

All I really care about is that Obama is going to take money from rich people and pay for my health care, my son's education, my retirement, the salvation of the planet, and a whole bunch of other stuff that rich people, who don't really need that money, can afford to pay for the benefit of people like me.

Diffus, I think you've about got it right. That sounds like the Obama platform in miniature. Because ,uh ,you know, uh, it's fair.

I wonder what the campaign ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

I wonder what the campaign theme song will be at the convention...
Billary had "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow". Before Trinity was send under the bus, I was half expecting this ditty
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jl-N__xMwds

The King proclaims: "I'll m... (Below threshold)
Clay:

The King proclaims: "I'll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we'll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills..."

Thank yuh. Thank yuh verah much.

And John McCain says... (Below threshold)
Adrain Browne:


And John McCain says that George Washington was one of the nicest, smartest guys he ever hung out with.

What makes you think 0bama ... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

What makes you think 0bama will be satisfied with King? He might settle for Pharoah, but King is just so, well, Western. It's a god thing.

And John McCain says tha... (Below threshold)
Clay:

And John McCain says that George Washington was one of the nicest, smartest guys he ever hung out with.

I'm no McCain fan, but I find it very unintelligent to disrespect age and accomplishment in favor of youth and inexperience. It's the bauble that enthralls the stupid monkey.

but King is just so, well, Western.

Emporers were considered divine, so Caesar Obama may be his preference.

indisputable right to le... (Below threshold)
Brian:

indisputable right to lead the country as he chooses, without obstruction or opposition. And that scenario ought to scare anyone with a grasp of history, anyone who understands the need for the checks and balances which were carefully built into our system of government.

Anyone? Such as George "Signing Statements" Bush?

The President of the United States is an executive, yes, but he remains essentially an employee of the citizens of the United States, working in a position which role is limited to specific responsibilities and limits of authority.

Including George "Inherent Authority" Bush?

Seriously, DJ. Is it Opposite Day where you are?

DJ your post is totally dev... (Below threshold)
JFO:

DJ your post is totally devoid of one fact to support your rather hysterical assertions. It makes me wonder if you've ever taken the time to read, much less study his positions on the issues you are so quick to mock?

Please give us the facts to support your statement that "...nowhere... does he accept limits to his authority or whims." Do you have quotes or sources to support that statement.

Of course the irony of your post is that we are mercifully coming to the end of 8 yrars of almost unprecedented exercise of executive power. I wonder if you have similary complained about Mr. Bush? (I hope so.)

I am an Obama supporter and I, for one, want no more usurpation of power as was done in the past 8 years. No one I know who supports him wants that either. Contrary to your assertion I have an excellent understanding of the powers and duties of the executive and if Obama wins and were he to come anywhere near the usurption of power such as Mr. Bush has demonstrated he should be booted from office.

I'm serious, DJ. Where do y... (Below threshold)
max:

I'm serious, DJ. Where do you come up with this stuff?

"For all the whining about imaginary abuses by President Bush, Obama's supporters expect him to be in complete control, without regard for the Constitutionally defined limits to the roles of the office."

Who said that? Just point me to where Obama or his supporters have ever said anything like that?

And just because I think you are insane, that doesn't mean I'm a member of the Democratic Party.

Any mention of Obama as the... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Any mention of Obama as the messiah deserves this. Every time.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg

George Soros is planning on... (Below threshold)
Anonymouse:

George Soros is planning on rewriting the constitution so Obama will follow that one.

Get ready for 5 months of D... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Get ready for 5 months of Democrats - the supposedly "tolerant" party - making insults about the elderly.

'Bama Hussein King... (Below threshold)
epqdor:

'Bama Hussein King

Kinda has a ring to it. Is that what you were talking about DJ?

He's not sure what he was t... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

He's not sure what he was talking about as there isn't any real evidence or even anecdotes that suggest Obama would not accept any limits to his authority. Else he would have included them in this sterling piece of commentary, right?

Of course you're not arguin... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Of course you're not arguing that Republicans are the "tolerant" party are you? Just to remind you about the McCain has an illegitimate "black baby" rumor in 2000. And then McCain's own appearance on Saturday Night Live a few months ago making jokes about his age shows what? His own intolerance of himself?

Heh. I didn't think this po... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Heh. I didn't think this post was particularly good or particularly bad...but man, you sure riled up the usual suspects more than usual. Maybe you hit a nerve. Perhaps there's more truth to this post than I thought and it's hitting close to home for some.

"Any mention of Obama as... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Any mention of Obama as the messiah deserves this. Every time."

This screwy video of children praying in tongues to Bush is not calling him the Messiah.

Yeah, I have seen better from you too, DJ, but you definately struck a nerve with his supporters. I wish we had a better candidate than McCain, but people just aren't paying attention to where Obama comes from and what part of history he is replicating. Check out this video when you get a chance. Obama's roots won't go away with "just words." We must consider not just what he is saying to us, but what he is not saying, and how history repeats itself:

"Make no mistake, Obama is channelling Neville Chamberlain--precisely because what he says shows his parallel thinking. Many people may get a chill listening to Obama but it certainly isn't a Churchill. Apologists, sympathizers, and wishful-thinkers keep endowing this would-be emperor with beautiful suits of clothes. He doesn't have any.

And at present, even more if Obama wins, the threat is of an Iran that's aggressive precisely because it knows that it will not have to confront U.S. forces. Tehran knows that it can sponsor terrorism directly against U.S. forces in Iraq , and also against Israel and Lebanon , because that level of assault will not trigger American reaction."

McCain is still my choice.

Correction: "praying for... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Correction: "praying for Bush..."

you sure riled up the us... (Below threshold)
Brian:

you sure riled up the usual suspects more than usual. Maybe you hit a nerve.
...
Yeah, I have seen better from you too, DJ, but you definately struck a nerve with his supporters.

So DJ makes a post so stupefyingly dumb as to invite easy ridicule, even from those on the right, and that's supposedly evidence that he "hit a nerve"?

Man, if you need to come out and defend him like that, I guess the commenters on the left must have really hit a nerve!

Brian, you prefer "No Contr... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Brian, you prefer "No Controlling Legal Authority" then?

I don't thing Obama wants t... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I don't thing Obama wants to be king. That's just so whitey. Judging by his NOI connections I think he'd prefer "Caliph".

DJ: Obama wants to be king!... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

DJ: Obama wants to be king! He will suffer no limits to his authority!

Sane people: You have no idea what you're talking about! Provide one bit of evidence, you nutter!

DJ's supporters: Lookit how kwwwwazy those Obama supporters are!


Ya'll gonna repeat this shit ad nauseum until the election? 'Cause it's boring already.

While the Obama discussion ... (Below threshold)

While the Obama discussion is very interesting, I'm more intrigued by the story about George Washington. I would have thought that this would be a very famous quote, but a google search for "George Washington" and "No Kings Here" mainly turns up people quoting your article. The closest match I could find was "Memorial Sermon" in "Autumn Leaves" as part of the longer quote about America related to Washington from Isaac Watts.

Also, at least one other detail of this story is not correct. The Continental Congress met for the last time in 1781. After the Articles of Confederation, there was the Congress of Confederation (several versions), but no more Continental Congresses.

Since you call this a story, was it meant to be apocryphal, or is it based on historical facts, other then the obvious that George Washington existed and had enough popular support to declare himself king after the Revolutionary War?

"So DJ makes a post so s... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"So DJ makes a post so stupefyingly dumb as to invite easy ridicule, even from those on the right, and that's supposedly evidence that he "hit a nerve"?"

Not worth debating.

"Ya'll gonna repeat this shit ad nauseum until the election? 'Cause it's boring already."

So, y'all gonna go elsewhere for less boring entertainment?

LaMedusa, don't be a baby. ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

LaMedusa, don't be a baby. If somebody says something retarded and gets called on it, the proper response is not to defend the person who made the retarded utterance by calling his or her detractors hysterical or something to that effect. There's no substance to anything in DJ's post, thereby making it boring as it's impossible to engage with in any meaningful way.

Unfortunately, thanks to Go... (Below threshold)
Pau:

Unfortunately, thanks to Gonzales, Bush, Rove and Cheney, the starry-eyed Obama supporters salivating at broad presidential powers may yet get their wish.

The same would be true for McCain.

Do any of you believe either man will roll back the Bush administration's over-extensions of presidential powers? Anyone??

Hey Pau,9/11. Also... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Hey Pau,

9/11. Also, 9/11. Furthermore, 9/11. And, insofar as 9/11, 9/11. Ergo, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

I think that's how the argument goes, though I might have omitted a key premise. Also, paint chips are delicious.

This is classic DJ Dumbass.... (Below threshold)
max:

This is classic DJ Dumbass. He comes up with a laughable hypothesis based on completely made up "facts." Then when he is inevitably called on it and made fun of, he responds with, "you're in denial." Then he goes and crawls back under his rock.

This is why I love seeing his name on a post. Because I know how much fun it'll be to shoot his argument full of holes. Thanks DJ, for the entertainment. Idiot.

"LaMedusa, don't be a baby.... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"LaMedusa, don't be a baby."

hyper, don't be such a rhetorical waste of bandwidth. Your posts say there is there is no substance to "engage" with. Yet, all you do is repeat yourself. Allow me to reiterate: Perhaps there is another blog that you find more "engaging" and should be there instead?

The screech potential alone... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

The screech potential alone from the Obamabaters made this post impossible not to post. Wonder how long they will keep up the whining?

Deep thoughts, chuckles. D... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Deep thoughts, chuckles. Deep thoughts.

Ooooh, ouch. Such a scathin... (Below threshold)
max:

Ooooh, ouch. Such a scathing retort, DJ. You wanna tell us where you got your information for this post now? Can you point me to the source for the Washington quote, for instance?

"...nowhere in these fantasies does he accept limits to his authority or whims." You got a source for that?

"Obama's supporters expect him to be in complete control, without regard for the Constitutionally defined limits to the roles of the office." You wanna tell us who, specifically, said that?

Allow me to help you out. You have no sources, because if you did, you would have cited them by now. You just pulled that crap directly out of your ass, as usual. Keep up the good work.


It's not important that his... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It's not important that his assertions have any basis in reality, max, it's only important that they feel true. It's the essence of truthiness.

LaMedusa, quick:Wh... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

LaMedusa, quick:

What substantive points did Drummond make in this post?

Was it:

a) None; or

b) More paint chips for LaMedusa!

"What substantive points di... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"What substantive points did Drummond make in this post?"

Now, who's being a "baby"? First, all you are doing is repeating yourself, again. So, my suggestion that you're wasting space has been confirmed. (paint chips? Jeez!)

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you not a twenty-something Canadian on an American political board attempting to imply that being well-traveled alone makes you an expert in politics?

Essentially, I believe DJ is speaking about this part of Obama's speech to Minnesota:

"America, this is our moment. This is our time, our time to turn the page on the policies of the past...

(APPLAUSE)

... our time to bring new energy and new ideas to the challenges we face, our time to offer a new direction for this country that we love.

The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge -- I face this challenge with profound humility and knowledge of my own limitations, but I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people.

Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that, generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless...
(APPLAUSE)

... this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal...

(APPLAUSE)

... this was the moment when we ended a war, and secured our nation, and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.

(APPLAUSE)"

And of course he is speaking of the moment when he won the Democratic nomination. THAT was a defining moment for America? America at that moment is providing care for the sick and jobs to the jobless? The moment he got nominated? What country has he been living in all this time, and is he unaware of American history? If you don't hear clueless arrogance in his words, you're just not paying attention.

Here is another take on Obama's speech. And you don't think they are the only ones who feel that way?


I've smoked rock cocaine wi... (Below threshold)
Tom Byron:

I've smoked rock cocaine with Obama

LaMedusa, nothing in what y... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

LaMedusa, nothing in what you quoted substantiates DJ's assertions.

There are decent writers on this blog, but DJ is not one of them. He is full of shit, and refuses to back up insane generalizations with facts.

Hence, the broken record about paint chips. I just assumed you'd have to have lead poisoning to take this wingnut seriously.

"LaMedusa, nothing in what ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"LaMedusa, nothing in what you quoted substantiates DJ's assertions."

Then we'll just say that your comments without substance do nothing to less substantiate his assertions and leave it at that. Unless you need the last, full of rhetoric and lacking in substance, word. Be my guest.

Nope.:)... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Nope.

:)

Then we'll just say that... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Then we'll just say that your comments without substance do nothing to less substantiate his assertions and leave it at that.

Holy cow, "guilty until proven innocent" much?

"Holy cow, "guilty until pr... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Holy cow, "guilty until proven innocent" much?"

Brian, more pointless, nonsensical rhetoric I won't reply to. Not even a "What the hell are you talking about?", because I was speaking to your illogical twin, not you.

"Illogical". Right. Asking ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

"Illogical". Right. Asking someone to back up a pretty slanderous characterization of a Presidential candidate with facts makes me illogical. You're a joke.

"Asking someone to back up ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Asking someone to back up a pretty slanderous characterization"

No, hyper. You're the "little kidder" with the great sense of humor, remember? Haha! "Slanderous?!" You are the perpetual joke without a cause. Oh, that's right! You have a problem with old white people. Someone on another thread is still waiting for that "terrorist fist-bump". Oh, but you were just kidding...again, without substance...twit.




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